 Jackson, the president was successful at least as administration and paying off the debt less successful and controlling spending overall though at least by the Polk administration The debt and spending were on downward trajectories before the Mexican war So at least in that regard, you know overall they were much more successful on the spending issue than Jackson per se Jackson strategy really the initial Jacksonian strategy and something that James K. Polk also pursued was again Reform has to begin with the executive So why don't we use this presidential veto and start vetoing Congress's internal improvement legislation? The Maysville road veto of May 1830 was actually the Jackson's first real use of the presidential veto that transformed it It came before the bank veto the bank bill veto in 1832 And so Jackson strategy was okay. I'm going to control internal improvement spending by vetoing things Unfortunately, it worked for a little bit, but at the end of his term spending started to go up as well as internal improvement spending one because some of it was just hidden in General bills that was very hard for Jackson to detect Something that's still done today, right? All these little things that you just kind of add in to a must-pass bill And you can get a ride with just anything you want Exactly, you know the little things in there Jackson, you know certain internal improvement projects. He was supportive of Then you had a huge increase in military spending during the Second Seminole War then there was the issue of elections in 1832 and 1836 the Jacksonians were incentivized to push for pork to benefit themselves During the election. This is kind of that corruption issue but you know after the Jacksonian term after Jackson's you know the first The first presidency of the Jacksonian so Andrew Jackson the you started to see those more frugal You know the scruples being pushed for the panic of 1837 was a big jolt Really energized the Jacksonians into cutting government spending a lot of state internal improvement projects had not worked out Jacksonians realized that hey wait a second corporate charters combined with government subsidies That's a recipe for cronyism. It's a recipe for disaster. So Jacksonians. They're supporting general incorporation laws On the state level getting rid of the chartering system and in the new state constitutions They're supportive of and I think this is very important. They're supportive of restricting states abilities to invest in Internal improvements or to lend money to companies or to invest in companies purchasing their stock Etc right so to try and separate the government from Getting involved in businesses now as the 1850s showed There were loopholes particularly regarding giving land or having the federal government give land to states that they can then give the companies and But that's a whole different story But the Jacksonians they at the state level in the federal level after the panic of 1837 They were really good at fighting government spending and continuing to pay off the debt gave the Vampirin was good on this. He's very frugal So was John Tyler for the most part and then before the Mexican War Polk was very good on this and Polk His famous veto was this rivers and harbors veto bill Excuse me this rivers and harbors bill that he vetoed that was supposed to benefit the West and he vetoed that so the Jacksonians Initially they they weren't as successful in reigning in government spending but they still were able to get the job done Which I think is admirable and it shows you that again It might take several presidential administrations But if you're slowly chipping away and you've got your eyes on the prize so to speak you don't get distracted You'll be able to make progress. Okay, and this is the Jacksonians. Yes, so they were they were successful in this regard I do think a big thing was Obviously regarding any of this Henry William Henry Harrison. He was a wig. He won in 1840 But he died and you pretty much had an ex Jacksonian John Tyler running the show who although split with Andrew Jackson over executive power all of his greatest policies from a libertarian Anticroni perspective were basically just presidential vetoes So he was kind of doing the Jacksonian strategy, right? So it was just for presidencies of the Jacksonian strategy Reformed through the executive and I think that's really important It's successful essential banking successful protective tariffs and it is successful with government spending and internal improvements