 from the video feed, so if I don't start it early, no one gets EGR. All right, started. And we're live. Quick, Jen, tell a joke. Quick, quick, quick, a joke, a funny joke. Nintendo Direct. Oh, that's unfair. That's unfair. I sort of just said Wii U. I'm happy you didn't direct. It was nice to see you direct again. Yeah, no, that was pretty good, I have to admit. Wii U would have been, I don't think it would have been unfair. It would have been me. So when you add some good stuff, it's just there weren't enough people for it. You know, I've actually been defending the Wii U. Well, not defending it. I'm not recommending anyone buy it. Certainly not now. But I've been telling on my shows, however, how much I love the design of Nintendo's Wii U games. There, you know, it's like, finally, they have an HD console that they can do things with. And I thought it was brilliant. Mario, the 3D Mario in particular, it was 3D World, I think. I thought it was design-wise amazing. So I love the Wii U. It's just it didn't sell. It didn't sell because they didn't sell it well. It's like Splatoon was really cool and that almost sold me a Wii U because that looked like so much fun. I actually watched more people like that was the only game I watched on Wii U on Twitch with people playing Splatoon. It was just really cool to watch all the new weapons and the different things people would do and how they use the maps. And it's just so fluid and fun. There was no way to make that an esport because there was no tools for that. There was no system for that. There was no way Nintendo was going to figure this out. No, absolutely not. But you know, I can guarantee that Splatoon is going to see an NX release, either a port or an improved version of some description. It was such a runaway success on the Wii U for the meager numbers of that console. I think they're going to capitalize on this and make it. The NX might play Wii U games. I wouldn't be surprised if it was like, well, actually the architecture is too crap. It's too different. Well, you know, it depends. It actually boils down to the game libraries and how many of the developers stuck to using strictly the Nintendo libraries. Because that's one of the things that helps smooth things over. If you just use all the libraries that they give and only those, it makes the transition a little easier because then you can create the same libraries for the different architecture and there isn't too much you really need to do in the actual code. I'm sure Nintendo did a pretty good job on that. And since most of the game is the first party, it shouldn't be. You need to rebuy a lot of your virtual console thing. Yeah, it's because that's a money grab. That isn't a hardware limitation. I found that was really disappointing. It's like, oh, maybe I can move over. Oh, I can't move over anything. Okay, well, forget it. Yeah, definitely. That was a little bit frustrating. But the thing is, there's really like five games they need to port and that's it. You know, the big ones, Splatoon, the other one, I mean, Splatoon, they might port. The others, I think they're going to make brand new titles. There's going to be a Mario Mario Kart, obviously Zelda, things like that. But yeah, should be, I think we should have information about the NX on this month in September, probably around Tokyo Game Show at some point, maybe a little bit after that. This year's going by too fast. I know. Telling me. Especially once you reach a certain age, everything seems like a roller coaster going downhill. But this is what I learned. It speeds up, doesn't it? Well, so that's what I learned from a Peanuts cartoon. This is like, like once you get over the hill, you begin to pick up speed again. So I'm kind of kind of cresting, I'm sure. Just waiting for the speed to pick up. Yeah. The way I understand it is that initially you've only lived like five years. So another year seems like an eternity because it's 20% of your lifetime. But if you've lived 40 years, another year is just a tiny amount of your lifetime, like 2.5%. You also have more experiences to compare and context everything into. When you're younger, everything seems new or long or punishingly abnormally long because you have no context for anything, right? It's like the difference between say a 14 hour flight versus a four hour flight. If you've never been on a plane before and you have to be on a plane for four hours, like, ah, this is taken forever. Until you get on a plane and travel on the other side of the planet for 14 hours, then it's like, all right, four hours is nothing. Fair enough. That's the worst. I'm sure you've done that, right? Haven't you had to do like a 16, 14 hour flight? Me? No, usually it's 11, 12, something like that when I have to get to LA or Tokyo. But that's pretty long already. I wouldn't want to do more than that. Actually, I don't really want to do that either. As I get older, my tolerance for sitting in a plane lessens. I don't know. I just don't like, I'm not sure if it's because airlines have changed and they've really tried to cram as many seats into the plane as possible. Or I've just gotten to the point where I just like an old codger and I just like hate being uncomfortable and prodded and hurt it. Please stand here, wait till your letter is announced and then you can board. It's like, no. There's definitely a sense of when you're getting a little bit older, for me at least. I don't want to deal with all the crap. It's like, fine, I'll pay 20 extra dollars, whatever. Clearly, when you're young, you don't have money and you have time and when you're older, you don't have time and you have a little bit more money. So I think it, like for example, taking an Uber from the airport to my house, which would cost like 40 euros, I would, I consider doing it sometimes now, but when I was younger, it would have been insanity to spend 40 euros on transportation when I could just take the metro and pay or, you know, the train and pay 10. It's life, man. It changes. It does. We're super profound today. Anything you want to add, Jed? Listen to a bunch of old guys. No, I'm feeling a bit younger now. Thank you. Oh, you got decades before you get to our level of cynicism and angst. Actually, no, I think the angst dissipates because you know there's an end to everything. Like, yeah, there's going to be an end. The time I feel old is when I make movie references because I grew up with ancient videos compared to my age group because I used to watch old VHS tapes with my dad of these old, old, old comedies. And some of them are not that old. Airplane is not the oldest movie in the world. No, that is it. That came out in the late 70s. People in my age group don't know that movie. Naked gun, they have a better shot at. Airplane is just too old for them. And it's like, ah, man, you guys have to watch this movie. The worst one is when someone told me, yeah, we were talking about Back to the Future and one of our younger coworkers came by and said, oh, yeah, that movie's a classic. It's like a classic. What is this on like Turner Movie Network? Really? I watched that when I was in grade school. I remember going with my cousin, the standing in line to go to the theater. That's when there weren't really that many multiplexes. Like the theater only had one large screen and that's the movie you saw. Ah, the good old days of 20 years ago. My kid's not going to know any, like, you might be too young and I don't know if they did this in France, but we used to have film strip movies that had an audio cassette. So it wasn't a full projector movie, but it was basically a slideshow with an audio cue that would tell the machine to advance to the next slide. And that's how we watched a lot of stuff or we would watch like you know, social studies video or not videos films from like the 1970s talking about the Great California Watershed. It's all like sepia tone and the film is all scratchy. And they wheel out this little projector from 1968. You sit there bored because your classroom used to be the woodshop class. So we would have all the equipment, but we couldn't do anything. Like they would have press, not presses, but vices. They would have the drill press, bunch of other things, all the equipment. But back in the early 80s, I think they cut a lot of the funding for that because they thought that kids should go to college, university instead, instead of learning something useful like woodshop, metal shop. All of my French textbooks in elementary school were so old. They were talking about the Ladisco tech, which was very relevant to my life at no point. And bell bottoms were everywhere. It's like, okay, guys, you might need to update me at some point. Did they still call them that? No, not anymore. I think when I was very young, they used to be like, they used to be called discotechs by older people who are probably younger than I am now, who were younger than I am now. But yeah, discotech, no one really says that. Definitely not now. All right, I am going to hide since time is here. And then, yeah, I'll let you two guys have a great show. And I'm recording audio, so you just need to do your bit and we are good. Excellent. All right, so I guess we're going to start. Three, two. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News show for Thursday, September 1, 2016. I'm Patrick Beja in Furtam, whom I believe is currently in South Korea. We are joined today by Jen Cutter, whom I understand is a professional producer and professional awesome person. How's it going, Jen? It's going quite well. Thank you. That is my favorite intro. Just cut that out and just play it whenever I go into a room. Professional awesome person. Everyone knows. Yeah, I think that's an app description. So thanks for being on with us. A little bit later, we're going to be talking about YouTube basically exploding with yet another controversy. That must mean it's Thursday. But first, a few headlines. And before that information that in response to a recent ruling telling Ireland to claim $14.5 billion dollars plus interest in back taxes from Apple, CEO team Cook said, it's total political crap. Cook said of the ears ruling to the Irish News publication independent, no one did anything wrong here. They just picked a number from what I don't know where. Cook explained, in the year that the commission says we paid that tax figure, we actually paid $400 million would believe that makes us the highest taxpayer in Ireland that year. And now here are more top stories with this little stinger. Reuters reports Samsung has delayed shipments of Galaxy Note 7 after reports of devices catching fire. South Korean media have said Samsung will announce a recall of all its new Galaxy Note 7 devices sold. Company officials speaking to Yonhap said they estimate that less than 0.1% of Galaxy Note 7 devices sold were affected and the root problem was traced back to the battery. Delays on rollout has cut $7 billion off of Samsung's market value out $7 billion. That's billion with a B, right? That's that's how it's written. So that's how I understand it. I mean, these kinds of issues happen every now and then. But that seems like a harsh cut into market value. I'm wondering if it's not even linked to Apple's announcement being next week. This is their new flagship product, the Galaxy Note 7. I mean, one of them. Maybe that plays into it a little bit. I'm glad Samsung is doing this. You always want them to do the recall first and not after somebody gets hurt or somebody's on a plane and something goes terribly wrong. Do it first, take the PR hits and rebuild. Yeah, absolutely. They're doing the right thing there. So that's kind of it. It makes it sad that they're they lost so much money in their stocks. But all right, Lenovo unveiled a new laptop tablet hybrid, the Yoga Book. The Yoga Book features a clamshell hinge design with a 10.1 inch full HD touchscreen on the top half and a Wacom style digitizing pad called the Create Pad that doubles as backlit keyboard on the lower half. A bundled stylus called RealPen features 2048 pressure levels and angle detection. The 1.5 pounds, that's 680 grams for those of us who don't use those weird space numbers. The 1.5 pound machine is powered by an Intel Atom X5 processor and will come in both Windows 10 and Android versions. Prices start at $399 for the Android version and $499 for the Windows 10 version. Did you see this one? It looks it's one of the first time I saw a laptop tablet hybrid and thought there was something really new in that space. I'm excited for this. I am that crazy person that writes everything down. I have tons of whiteboards and notebooks and pads of paper everywhere just out of camera shots. So this kind of thing is exactly what I'm looking for. I want something that I can write on, I can carry around and isn't several thousand dollars because as much as I love the surface it is not in my budget. And it does some really interesting things. I mean it's a centimeter thick more or less and I'm not sure if it's made very clear when you just hear the description like this but you have the touch screen and on that weird create, how do they call it, create pad, you can either touch and there's a keyboard or you can actually write on it or you can use a piece of paper on which you will write and it actually digitizes what you're writing and does some OCR obviously. So it seems if it works as advertised I think it's really interesting. That's the feature that will sell it to me. That's the one I'm going to be watching all the reviews for and if it works as advertised I don't know which version I'd go for, whether I'll go for for Windows 10 or take my chances with the Android one but fingers crossed that this actually works as promised. Yep here's to hoping. At the IFA conference in Berlin Qualcomm unveiled a new Snapdragon VR820 based standalone VR headset. It features eye tracking with two cameras, dual front facing cameras for inside out positional tracking and four microphones. The headset is a reference design for OEM so don't expect to get this Christmas but it's not the first one that does eye tracking but it's certainly one of the more intriguing features I've seen for VR headset. Any idea what it can be used for eye tracking in a VR headset? Well eye tracking right now you can get as a standalone thing and I am that person who has a lot of racing wheels and sets and eye tracking is very useful for like when you want to check rear view mirrors your eye tracking software will take care of that for you and show you the appropriate angle out of your car. To see that in VR would also be interesting but I just want to skip ahead five years tell me who wins the VR headset war and I'll buy that one. I don't want to have to pick and choose now I'm going to wait and see and I feel like I say that every time I'm on the show because there's always a new VR thing coming out. All right I like your approach as well I think yeah let's skip to five years from now that would be the the right solution. The Wall Street Journal reports Facebook is pushing advertisers to speed up their mobile websites. The company offered a slew of suggestions including compressing files, minimizing landing page redirects and removing render blocking JavaScript. Facebook would also start prefetching ad websites limit where ads appear if they direct users to a slow loading site and encourage user of Facebook of Facebook I'm sorry encourage users of Facebook's mobile optimized publishing tools like Canvas and Pages. So this one is is really interesting to me because usually we've seen in the past Google change you know have some kind of almost policy changes to their algorithm and what they prioritize there and that shapes the entire web to an extent and now we're that we've seen an example of that of this just last week I believe but now we're seeing Facebook potentially doing this as well. I am not surprised that Facebook is pushing people in this kind of direction I'm a little surprised that they're kind of targeting advertisers with this because it sounds a little ominous kind of threatening it's like okay if your ads are slow you're not going to get to see them so I guess you better use our ad service if you want people to see them. I guess yeah the fact that they have their own services but on the other hand I think we all want you know the web to be faster and those websites that we all know that are incredibly heavy that have ad overlays and that that shower you with with you know ads that overtake your screen before you can read the thing it's a bad experience for everyone without you know getting not getting into the debate of whether or not we need ads and that whole thing I'm kind of glad that those big corporations however evil they are are helping us force the the web in I think whatever one would admit is a good direction maybe I'm too naive. I'm a little scared about this kind of stuff I agree that the end goal of having a faster internet for everybody is the direction we want to go in but I think how we get there is going to be important because we might lose some things along the way. I mean yes ideally I would like it not to be Google and Facebook that that push in that direction that I know I think we're a little late on that one. All right Ars Technica reports AT&T's vice president of federal regulatory Joan Marsh published a blog post directed at Google titled broadband investment not for the faint of heart the article takes jabs at Google Fiber's recent troubles suggesting the company is in over its head and benefits from loosened regulations quote it will also no doubt continue to seek favoritism from government at every level just last week Google Fiber threatened the Nashville city council that it would stop its fiber build if in ordinance uh Google Fiber drafted wasn't passed end quote although Google Fiber hasn't commented on the post Ars Technica notes that the Fiber's problem in Nashville stems from an AT&T's reluctance to allow it direct access to their utility polls. Yes there's another quote in that article I want to read out because it's amazing. Oh please do. At the end of that post at AT&T notes welcome to the broadband network business Google Fiber we'll be watching your next move from our rearview mirror oh and pardon our dust that's a little aggressive from a major corporation to another major corporation a little subtle that that is the most can I say jack uh donkey it's the most jack donkey thing I've ever read maybe not but I mean it's it's it's certainly shocking for me it's it's very aggressive I mean another quote is Google Fiber will no doubt continue its broadband experiments while coming up with excuses for its shortcomings and learning curves what is happening who is this person who spends on lobbying and protectionism I don't really feel they have a leg to stand on here it is pretty outrageous and you know it's very rare that I'm going to read corporate communication that is actually going to you know anger me on the almost on the form if they had said this a different way I think I would have understood the the corporate communication but the form of it is almost as bad as the well I guess the the the substance is to be expected they're just saying oh we're cool and you're you're the new kid you're you think you can play with the big boys but really you can't and look what you've done haha okay that's super mature AT&T AT&T but the form is outrageous I don't it's it's it's bully it's trollish I don't understand who that person is I sure hope they get called into the principal's office and finally Facebook rolled out a new live video mode to messenger called instant video when Facebook messenger is launched in android or iOS and a conversation started the app will offer the option to add live video to chat users simply tap the video icon in the upper right hand corner the video can be turned into a full video call when the person on the receiving end hits the green video icon that shows up so basically video chatting in Facebook messenger okay so it's FaceTime in messenger with the usual chat which obviously will work on like the phone and I guess on the pc as well or is it just uh I know it says iOS android yeah it's I I guess every messenger app now has video calling as well um do you remember when we were uh afraid well not us but the the telecommunications industry was afraid that all of those data packets were going to replace phone calls I I'm gonna be a little bit cheeky and say does anyone actually use a phone service for phone calls doesn't everyone use like FaceTime or or Hangouts or yeah of course we all do I'm just I'm just saying it's coming now well you just want to keep it in their wheelhouse even though now WhatsApp is kind of theirs and I'm deleting WhatsApp because now they're sharing with Facebook and I don't use Facebook stuff so none of this applies to me oh you're one of those I'm one of those my friends are very very annoyed with me the people who actually care about their privacy they're so annoying I'm losing this game on a daily basis all right thank you very much to kim chi gi habituala condolci and all of those who participate in our subreddit submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines and we wanted to talk a little bit more about that thing that's happening on youtube now well now I say as if it's like this month it's really this day I don't think it's gonna last for too much longer I don't think the scandal is gonna is gonna be a long-winded one but it is pretty intense and I think it's important to understand what's happening there so basically at the the base the basics is a game of he said I guess they said for the creators and it said for the corporation the creators are saying that Facebook that youtube is basically censoring them by removing advertisement from their videos that it deems are inappropriate and the way they define inappropriate is a little bit stringent I guess but it's if it's it covers controversial stories if it's it has vulgarity sexual content these kinds of things and what youtube says on the other end is that they're not actually changing their policy and they're not censoring anyone they are just making more clear and notifying creators of a policy that is already in place which says that in if their video doesn't follow certain guidelines which such as the ones we've described before they will cut advertising from those videos they will not be monetizable and this has created a a huge storm of discontent from some youtubers with some others giving a somewhat more nuanced opinion I guess this is a very basic overview of what's happening I'm sure you have an opinion on this Jen this is okay what's your what do you think I think the word censorship has been used too many times it's starting to lose meeting no one is stopping people from posting the videos they like it is simply changing how they are able to make money from them now for some people that is a they consider it a form of censorship because they are only able to produce those videos thanks to the revenue they've previously been making when you are relying on this third-party ecosystem that you do not control for your revenue you're always going to be at the mercy and whims of these outside corporations that's when things get really tricky because you need more than one revenue stream if you are relying entirely on say adwords adwords can ban you and you have no real right of appeal because you'll appeal go hit send that appeal will be denied immediately and then you don't really feel like you appeal because you didn't it's just youtube pretends to hear you and it's very hard to feel valued or heard in that kind of sense which is why these outcries happen with youtube all of the time because this is the only way for people to get a response is they have to do these huge dramatic twitter screaming and all these videos about how their channel is being shut down and how it's the end of the world and i feel bad for everyone who's been terribly affected by this and that this is the only way to talk to youtube it's to sort of put things out of proportion maybe even a little bit out of context to an extent i agree that talking about censorship i mean if anything you can still keep using the service your video is available and youtube is paying for the hosting um but yeah of course if you're not going to be making money from that kind of content it is hampering your ability to continue producing it however i do have an issue with the the amount of explosion like philip de franco is a youtube creator i guess we should mention obligatory tom's uh tom's wife works for youtube that's disclaimer done but philip de franco is a really big creator on youtube and his video the way he has a video where about the third of it is explaining that issue in his terms which goes more towards the censorship view of it the the title of the video is youtube is shutting down my channel and i'm not sure what to do oh and by the way that video is monetized the ad played when i went to watch it i mean come on really are we is that i suspect that the kind of people that do these kinds of inflammatory titles are also the kind of people that benefit from having youtube uh uh not super i'm gonna exaggerate a little bit not super squeaky clean because they are probably people that are that like to swear a little bit on their videos and and that's great i love swearing here you know i don't have anything about swearing but it feels so entitled it feels really entitled to me um and the the blog post by freddy wong that you linked us to freddy wong is also a very well known creator he's been doing it for a long time he has a much more nuanced opinion and he points out the fact that really advertisers should have the right to decide which videos they're going to be associated with and which creators they're going to be associated with and a creator that says oh no my video should be ad monetized like demanding that their video contains ads feels i mean i don't even know what to say to that it's like you produce great content okay awesome for you but it's your job to convince an advertiser to advertise on your on your channel it's not an automatic like you put something on youtube and automatically you get the right to to have videos in front of it am i missing something no youtube has made it very easy for people to get in get access to these advertisers that they would not ordinarily have nothing is stopping the people who've had their videos demonetized from reaching out to advertisers and creating their own deals and running their own inline ads for which they make much more money because then youtube does not get a cut and adblock wouldn't affect them but i will admit that 99% of the people affected by this may not have the skills to reach out to the advertisers and make those connections or have the business sense to make this happen but on the flip side youtube does not owe you a living unless you're in youtube bread youtube bread is a different thing and is ad-free and still not available in canada so i can't speak much more about that but so okay i'm going to take the other side of that argument i'm going to try for just a second i've also seen a few people make the argument that the the description of the guidelines the things that you shouldn't talk about are so wide and so far reaching that it could apply to all not everything but basically if it's not disney video like thing and by that i mean very conservative and very family friendly then it could fall in that category and i don't it's basically if you talk about news about things that are happening in the world you could be you could end up into that category and the people i i've listened to were making the valid argument that they don't think cnn is going to fall under that category they're not going to get their videos demonetized big outlets aren't going to get their videos demonetized it's this is going to target the the the small one might even argue independent media i don't think youtube has it in for the independent media but it's not going to target the big guys so is there is that a case of like different rules for different people youtube has always had different rules for different people i i agree with you completely youtube lawyers are amazing in terms of making these very broadly specific rules that can be interpreted in any possible way uh there was i wish i had the link in front of me i think i lost it but um there were people who were talking about how their makeup videos when they were discussing acne products were no longer monetized was that considered graphic content what what was advertiser unfriendly about that you think beauty products would be all over that was it a mistake in the algorithm we're never going to know because youtube does not communicate with anybody they've only been giving statements directly to representatives people who have partnerships they haven't made any public statements there's no way for lay people to find out and if you're a small channel without this partnership you are never going to know so yeah it's i think that what that spells out is we need a serious youtube competitor and uh it's not it's still not happening no matter how much the the creators on youtube complain um i don't think they're gonna you know they're gonna stop using it because there's no one else all right last last question how likely do you think that this is a bid uh from youtube to clean up the platform and not to get rid of everybody but maybe to get rid of the more uh controversial uh maybe yeah i guess controversial people or or videos if they want to well it's a weird thing to clean up the platform because nobody's forced to watch youtube people watch the videos they want to watch the things that they're subscribed to the things in their related videos youtube can bury the people they don't like and just not show them in the algorithm which they've been accused of doing in the past i don't know what what they really gain from this kind of move except i guess less of a headache from advertisers this is just the path of least resistance to make advertisers happy and then they'll just wait for this to blow over in social media yeah i i really think ultimately i mean obviously we might all be wrong but ultimately you know who pays the bills the advertisers and that policy already existed what i'm guessing has happened is somehow they refined the algorithm or included something in the algorithm and automatized the notifications and so that you know they get their what they're tightening up is their ability to tell advertisers don't worry your ad will not go in front of some you know crazy you know bear beheading someone video you know it's it's it's a tool for them to reassure advertisers and and to bring in more ad revenue which ultimately that's what they want and that's who pays the bills so when you don't know what's happening i guess follow the money is the right thing to do and that's what follow the money tells me so that's where i would put my money if i was a betting man i think that's why they're still terrible at allowing fair use to be used fairly terrible at allowing fair use to be used fairly that is an awesome quote all right uh let's move on to our message of the day uh paul france takes issue with our suggestion that apple's new two terabyte cloud service is too pricey in yesterday's show he writes i am not sure what you are talking about when it comes to cloud storage pricing apple is in line with both google and drawbox's offers that is 999 per month for one terabyte of storage apple seems to be the only one of those three that offers a two terabyte plan and to be fair uh microsoft offers one terabyte for 699 which includes office 365 but again they do not offer a two terabyte plan so scott yesterday said something to the effect of ah yeah apple they're obviously more expensive in the cloud storage space and i think paul uh dear paul france who wrote in i think you're not the only person who let scott know that he was uh inaccurate this was an inaccurate representation of apple's offering um to put it clearly yes uh he he realized scott realized very soon after having said that that it wasn't true and people will never let him forget about it so our apologies for that mistake but it has been duly corrected thank you paul france and that is it for our show wow it went by so fast thanks so much for being on jen could you please tell us where we can find you what you do on the internet or elsewhere best place to find me would be uh on twitter at jen cutter j-e-n-n-c-u-t-t-e-r and that is where i hope to very soon be actually finally talking about all the neat stuff i've been working on this summer ooh the things the secret things you can't talk about that you totally you couldn't talk about very exciting thank you very much for being on um of course you remember that the show is powered by 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more at frog pants dot com diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program it worked excellent success cool great job great discussion very informative very engaging yeah you liked it i would buy youtube stock i couldn't afford it even if i wanted to it's all tied up in peanuts uh no that was a great it was a great topic i think you guys did really well especially because i think because both of you are creators you're in that position where you can really kind of uh put put a personal viewpoint on it which is great cool excellent i'm not bitter at all i don't miss my ad words account i miss that money though uh yeah i know it's it's really tough those and that's the thing once you once you attach yourself to those plat you can't really control it and so it's hard it's really hard to figure out what the best method i mean do you do multiple platforms do you try to be as possible and make your content um portable enough that if something does happen you can move to something else but then it brings up the question of how do you keep your audience because audience transition and this is the thing i learned at revision three audience transition carrying them over from one platform to another is the hardest thing that yeah to to ensure that you have that same engaged group uh follow you over and that's what and that's the thing is like at the same time it's a double-edged sword being on the being on a platform that self-promotes that uh that is popular is great because it brings people in but at the same time it also makes them a lot more i don't want to say capricious but they're they're definitely going to be looking out for number one which is them and so what they or may or may not do depending on the circumstances can adversely affect everyone else down the line it's it's it's crazy it's crazy i don't know how you two do it i don't know you guys do it we have awesome listeners we that's how you guys do actually you know i will say patreon is actually really good um and i'm considering it for a series that i'm doing later on just because i hate having ads in front of videos i would rather have it available for everybody on every platform because if you have ads in front sometimes you're limited on who can watch what on mobile through it i want everyone to be able to see it well speaking of seeing things let's see what the us you like that segue let's see what the titles are very agile top is note and catch fire which is a spin on the tv show hauling cash fire at and troll at and troll it said like at and t in the role uh fiber with at and t to tood at tood at at and tood total political crap do google's content guidelines add up get it they're doing that it's very good good job dark redeemer no more pennies for your thoughts i see you um sworn entitlement video killed the messenger star i don't know is that entitlement stand advert entitlement that's not to name something i'm coming back to this chat room and calling all you guys wait wait ever oh ever entitlement that's a pretty funny one i like that one i'm voting for that one did i vote for it yeah oh look it it's shot up to to first place now so we'll let it yeah we'll let it coast there for a few seconds as your title meant works um oh yeah it's crazy so we love the charts like i'm trying to figure out what was it was it that one video that i guess was that one video that he did i was i was going over um filled the francos thing and i was wondering if they were just blocking for that one video or is it just uh blocking like a bunch of his video they hit a whole bunch of his okay but he's he's such a i mean i i haven't seen a lot of what he does but what i've seen he's a very angry teenager type with a little bit of brains but he's sort of you know he has how do i put this and not sound angry myself he does a kind of video that is that thrives on on controversy not controversy but inflammatory yeah he's a he's a morton downy jr slash uh who's shock jock guy what's his name he did a movie about himself oh i can't who Howard stern yes right i figured that's who you meant yes like i'm really focusing on him and it's the smaller people i'm worried about who are just doing general topics or who are doing the smaller investigative pieces who are so screwed it well it's really hard because you can't it's really hard to apply an algorithm to anything that automatically just as flags this is inappropriate and appropriate because as we've seen even people tend to fall into that trap of well oh you're talking about boobs even though it's about breast cancer awareness and they flag it's like wait a minute you know you there needs to be an intelligent system but at the same time we just did this where they decided that anyone who mentioned anything about lesbians was automatically porn so all of these kids dealing with their sexuality are like wait we're not we're just existing what just happened so that backlash was going on in that quiet corner of the internet and i think what you see what happening right now is a dovetailing of what the technology communications technology has broadened out and allowed people to do coming into an abrupt collision course with whatever community social you know values that people have uh and i foresee it being a bigger issue a continuing to be a bigger issue because it you know i mean we can all agree ultimately it's it's not a technology issue it's a social issue that you know that people are coming up against but it comes within the context or framework of a youtube video so people think well you know i just flagged this and you know i won't want that particular thing attached to my name and it's weird because you also deal with situations where people who are trying to proactively make a progressive change for example when it comes to the whole thing with north Carolina and their gender only or like whatever gender you were born with bathrooms right you can't you know whatever people are post or pre uh change um and a lot of you know a lot of people put pressure on advertisers and companies not to do business with that state in order to force them change and that that could be a a very positive step but at the same time you can very quickly turn that around into something well you're going to talk something bad about this particular person who's very well loved even though he was embezzling you know millions of dollars and threw orphans and grannies you know down the flight of stairs on a regular basis you know it's it's it's it's hard i think ultimately ultimately what uh we're getting at is exactly what freddy wong was saying which is it's not about censorship we should talk about the real issue which is how are those guidelines decided how are they applied how does that part work that's the really important part it took a year of screaming to get the strike rules changed and i hate that it takes this kind of outcry to get any kind of response but at least those rules got changed and now whenever a video is disputed in terms of content id youtube's holding on to that and then you know giving it back to you later instead of just keeping your money yeah that took how many years for them to figure that one out so i'm hoping that they're gonna get faster at this yeah hopefully uh roger i i'm uploading the videos or audio cool um let me and i think advertisement worked right yeah i'm doing that all right everyone on agr i'm going off the air thank you for listening and see you tomorrow all right and then i can stop the broadcast stop and broadcast thank you for watching support the show love you and patreon see you tomorrow