 You've met a lot of powerful men. You've met guys like Saddam Hussein. How was he as well? He was steady when I met him. I mean, I met him twice in 1993 with a group of of MEPs ironically as I might be about to become one Just briefly and then a big crowd, but I met a man-to-man in 2002 in the summer Just before the war therefore Man-to-man Translator, maybe one or two, but almost you could say tet-a-tet as they say in diplomatic circles He was steady. He was not crazy at all Not nearly as dangerous as the people that came to power in Iraq after we toppled them He was a dictator, of course He did a lot of bad things. He did a lot of good things You have to if you're going to be historical about things rather than be led by you know Sky News or the front page of the Daily Mail You have to be able to as I did with you with Tony Blair earlier, for example I could have said to you Tony Blair's a torag from A to Z But that wouldn't be true. I told you the good things that he did and you have to do that with when you're looking at Eras or leaders or systems unless you're going to be dishonest Because a lot of these men they think they were killed in for money for money the oil and the gold Well, I do think Iraq was attacked for oil. It was attacked for Israel It was attacked though mainly To demonstrate America's overwhelming power in the world what we call hegemony the hegemony the dominance of The US Empire in the world and paradoxically, of course It proved the exact opposite It proved that the Americans don't rule the world and they never will