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I don't know yet But yeah y'all just I tell them not to clip it. I'm trying to stay out that way check it man It's move Vega it's been a year man smooth Vega back in the building man on boss talk one-on-one man What's been going down matter a whole lot's been going down, but you know what first and foremost congratulations to you guys Y'all have been working you guys have been consistent. I just saw the the introduction. She just did and I just smiled for me This sounds so good. She's in an every single bullet point right on the money Patreon snapchat Instagram tiktok only fans you name it You know, like I said, we come in this thing kind of we had never done this before and to be able to you know Make some type of motion in it was just spectacular. We were just simple business owners You know, we've been business owners for years So that's something that you know, we look at and it's like dang man like we never seen this coming We never knew this is going you know what man You become addicted to content creation and when you get to that point where you start creating content and in this case You guys have a podcast and you guys are able to tell stories not only your own But your guests the stories like to have people that you grew up listening to and watching on TV People like ice tea for example like this is that that right there like who would have thought it right? And so it's it's amazing and I think it becomes addicting and it's like yo You know inject more that in my veins Let's get back to it. But man again congratulations to you guys, you know, you guys have over a hundred thousand subscribers I'm sure y'all got that YouTube plaque somewhere in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely got the plaque That's when you know it's official like a referee with a whistle a lot of people got a hundred thousand I've never seen a plaque I pull mine out look me up You know saying that's what I mean bro like in and that should be a goal for everybody as a creative to see somebody from You know from here from the DFW It's inspiring so congratulations to man. I'm happy to be back here. You know I'm saying man You always welcome man I told you that once we lock in you locked in but it's hard if you're on the outside looking in and you don't know Because at the end of the day, it's like we watching what we do we pray about the things that we we act upon to make sure We make the right decision with what God has blessed us with so, you know It's just a it's an honor and a pleasure to be have you back on the show I'm gonna be real which I got beef with you know Oh, you brought my name of you was beef I'm a remix Remember I remember playing when I done it. I didn't even think nothing of it But you was right kind of like I really did say that okay you being a Hispanic guy being I don't know if you want to be called that Tino Hispanic Mexico We don't have people work here. They got on me all different kind of way I can't figure that out. Anyway, the safest thing to say is Hispanic. You think so. That's the safest thing You know what man? I'll be honest with you. I think No matter how you categorize it or like in terms of our culture However, you say it like you're never gonna get it right across the board right because you could cause somebody like hey You Mexican that I'm out Puerto Rican, you know, so like to me Latino is pretty much the generalized term Okay, that's you know, but but isn't Hispanic and even if you're Puerto Rico, you're still Hispanic Yeah, no, but I don't know why people get real sensitive to the the way that you word it And so I've never been one of those guys like I understand like look I'm I'm a brown guy You know saying so, you know, and I'll wait I'll wave the flag probably though You know, don't get it happening. Let me just get right back into it though When I said what I said, I meant what I said I stand on what I said I knew that being Hispanic being Latino far as the way I would people sometimes look up on ourselves We are more prone to go to a you know, smooth Vega You know, if he's promoting something they're not as leery because we've heard each other so much has nothing to do with you Absolutely has nothing to do with you But it's just because of the self hurt the self hate that I've seen displayed in our culture sometime Yeah, but that don't mean we don't love each other families fight all day long But if somebody else try to jump in it, we whooping them. Yeah And I think the Hispanics are the same way like I said this recently I said, you know black and brown fight the same a lot of the same struggles And a lot of ways we're one of the same if not we are the same You know, we're both minorities and we fight different struggles We both have endured different types of racism throughout the course of history You know, that's just the reality of it for me whenever I mentioned you in that interview. It wasn't like I was angry I was never I would have known that I was angry at you It was more so the point that I'm trying to make where I I have heard that before believe it or not Where when you talk about whether it's live events, whether it's interviews Whether it's whatever I've done throughout the course of my career, you know When somebody tries to diminish it or say well, you know what it's because it's because of the skin color It's like to be honest with you. I've always felt like I've had a work twice. Sorry to get after recognition I don't get that. No, I don't I don't get that because at the end of the day The Latino culture have always came together and when they need it together and they always pushed each other up And I've never not seen that happen. So it's hard for me to understand that looking from the outside looking in Okay, so let me explain it to you right So if we're talking from a culture perspective like there's this movie called Selena, right? And so Selena obviously But in the movie in the movie version of it, there's a scene where the dad goes You know, we're too Mexican for the Americans and too American for the Mexicans, right? And that's a real struggle that we fight within our culture. So Me being someone that you know has operated and basically made a name for himself and established a business within the urban field Like an urban space, right? Like hip-hop and R&B is predominantly urban Predominally black if you want to be technical, right? We actually started it. Yeah, that's that's the reason it's black cuz we started it You know, you can Google search it and it might say the M&M is the number one greatest rapper all time But I'm telling you right now. We started it. We sauce it up without us It'll deplete. Well, yeah, I mean look, I mean, yeah I mean the Puerto Ricans were also part of the inception of hip-hop don't get me wrong We're always part of it, but but in terms of popularizing hip-hop it goes without saying right and is what it is So when you're navigating in these spaces in these rooms and you're doing shows now all of a sudden, you know The the Mexican-American to the Mexican at least the first generation that we now have right They view you as if you're trying to be black or you're trying to not be Mexican And you know the same so like those are some of the struggles we fight But also when we're now operating in a space that we're really we're visitors, right? I mean, that's the truth the matter how much of Whether or not we have common struggles, you know at the end of the day. I'm a visitor in hip-hop, right? I'm a visitor in R&B music Yeah, I mean those are the reason why we fight the struggle We appreciate you for being in because like I said, you do a lot of promoting in the city For as Dallas go and the things that I've seen since I've been in this realm. Yeah, I'm just glad to have you I'm happy that you're doing something that brings essence to our culture in the city and as well as the brown, you know Yeah, it black and brown like you come with it They gonna show up in the room together They're gonna enjoy the show and that's hard man. No, absolutely I mean look if you really want to be even if you want to go a step further, right? My goal was never to be boxed into being just a Latin promoter just a Latin music executive or whatever, right? I've always wanted and I've always aspired to be more than that So I felt it was important for me to go make my name, you know, create my lane Make all these relationships and resources get it to a point to where it's strong And then I could bring it back to the culture, right to the Mexican American culture to the Mexican to Latino culture Whatever but in the process, you're right. I mean look throughout the region. I've been doing live events now Consistently for the past 10 years, but you know, you can make the argument last 15 years I've been doing live events locally I've worked with a lot of national acts, you know I've had an opportunity to be up close and personal with a lot of these artists And I've had conversations on my platform and in general where I'm I'm dictating conversations and I'm able to pepper in My culture in my own way, but it's not it doesn't feel forced, you know, because like I said, I don't look at race I don't look at color. I get offended. I don't even use the term black people Send you an interview somebody said that I said to them as I brought on even I don't look at it like that I really genuinely just look at the human race. Yeah, you're a person. Yeah, and I just I don't I wasn't raised that way You know what I mean? Like and because of where I'm from because of the neighborhood that I grew up in like You know, we're all one of the same like we used to go to the mall We were getting harassed Because of the way that we we dressed, you know, and whether we were trying to dress like the rappers or not You know, that's just the reality of our raise that way or not me being from Jamaica I wasn't raised that way but coming to Texas and being around people who they don't understand you unless you say that black person down The street, that's who I'm talking about or this white person or this whatever they don't understand You say mr. Smith down the street who you mean that black person mean that white person Like they still don't understand because that's the culture here So even although you're not raised like that a lot of times people tend to have to have to use those terms in a Lot of ways for people to understand what you're saying and I wasn't always comfortable having this conversation Well, you just better get comfortable over here in boss talk 101 I'm fully comfortable gonna have this conversation because this is life man Not for sure every time I have I pray for the show before we get here I pray for the people that got sitting at seat and the conversation we have I feel like God is ordaining them I don't care what people think I know already they pose to be had and if it don't it ain't gonna hurt us Anytime you go to a council like you know the women love to say we go get mental illness health You really just having a conversation you dumping you getting these conversations off That's what it's all about man So when we sit in these seats and we have these open discussions somebody can get help through that No, and I appreciate it I think that's part of the reason why I said I used to not be comfortable with it I'm very comfortable with it now because I understand my position my responsibility. I understand that I'm a representation and quite frankly I'm a voice. Yes, I'm a voice for my people I'm a voice to educate other people so they can understand like this is how we could coexist in the space I've been able to coexist because I have respect for the art form. I have I've never Like I understand what it is to be a vulture culture. I've seen those people that do culture vulture shit. You know what I mean and I I Mean you know we we sit in a room and and I'm not trying to pick on nobody But there are no people that they say this guy that guy big Platforms are culture vultures and I get it But at the end of the day a lot of those guys just like yourself have been in the game so long No for sure feel like they're doing the thing that they feel they love doing but a lot of time in the fact of them Doing it is exploiting our people. Yeah, and I'm not even referencing platforms I'm referencing people on the ground level, okay other promoters that I've come across other people that even do culture Appropriation within their own culture. Yeah, I'm saying to get the most out of it Like I've seen that and I feel like me though. I've been through my ups by downs like anybody else in the industry has gone through What I've been able to maintain is a certain level of integrity because I believe in the better good of the great cause right which is Taking this to another level, you know Leaving this motherfucker better than what I found it, you know saying like I want to pay this for it I want to elevate myself Elevate the talent and in the process if I happen to be a Mexican American that happens to be a music executive, right? Because I don't want to be labeled a Mexican music executive If I'm a music executive that happens to be Mexican American And I'm the first of my kind which in a lot of ways I do feel that I am Then I'm going to be able to pave the way for future executives Future promoters and they're going to be able to have a reference that look There's somebody that looks like me that I can identify with that speaks educated that doesn't that doesn't that didn't have to do all the Stereotypical hey, let me go wear sombrero and dance at the corner and do whatever You know salsa there salsa that just to kind of get on like I did it my way And and it's very possible. So it's important to have a sense of knowing what Responsibility you do care when you reach a certain point and I wasn't always comfortable with that Are you bilingual? I am yeah, no, I just have to ask because he called me one time asking me hey, can you interpret this and we have a plumber here I said see Let's check in because there's a lot of people here who are Hispanic or Latino Like you say and they're born and raised here and they don't want to learn Spanish You know, that's true. And and and I understand that perspective what I will say is for me I can't relate to that because I'm a first American First generation Mexican-American me being a first generation Mexican-American means My whole entire family is from Mexico my mom my dad My uncles my aunts a good amount of my cousins and you know, mexicans. Boy, we're fertile. We touch you You're pregnant. We're knocking out for at a time, you know, so our our family is big, you know And and I was blessed to be raised in that environment But to this day, I don't communicate with my dad in any other language other than Spanish my sister Though she knows English. I still talk to her in Spanish And I love that because I always tell anybody who tell me that I'm like You're robbing you said because you have a lot of people here who are not Hispanic who would love to learn Spanish because We're living in a bilingual, you know state right now where if you're bilingual, you can get a job like that Yeah, you know what I mean So the last proper job I had I got paid more because I was bilingual Yeah, and my you know my kids, you know, I have three kids my oldest is 13 and she doesn't know Spanish at all You know, they can understand when you speak it to him not even man. I'm because she was just raised American, you know Why you dropped the ball? I know trust me trust me and that's something that you know I'm having a you know come to the realization of like them, you know Like I want them to have a sense of culture right to have a sense of like knowing like this is your roots These are this is you know, but you know, it happens, you know the evolution of Of our you know where we're going, you know We we start removing ourselves from that but it is important for me to have like a sense of like Humility in a sense of like knowing like this is where you're at like don't get me wrong like As much as I love hip-hop as much as I love some of the things that I I personally enjoy whether it's sports And what I'm absolutely right pro wrestling. I'm a pro wrestling huge posting fan, correct As much as I enjoy those things There's nothing like seeing my people on tv There's nothing like seeing You know, if I go to an event and I see people like culturally doing things that remind me of my youth Like it just moves me in a way that I can't explain. Let me ask you something When you left her, I'm gonna go back to the hip-hop you left here and and and you you know Again, you affirmed you reaffirmed what I had said about you know Y'all getting a little bit easy in us getting things done a little more you ended up interviewing bun B I was upset about that because I had already wanted to interview because I'm a big ugk fan We kind of connected on time. I met him several times as you know I know the interview's coming, but I just was upset that you got it and that the camera looks so damn good And that you set it up and it's nice I don't know if this was a warehouse or what but it was so dope And I want to tell you if you're gonna do it and you're gonna You know easily get it done because they come to you I'm just so proud of the fact that you knew how to convey it once you got it there You like it just a compliment I loved it, man, though I mean, but I just had to say it that way because I want him to know to feel my pain I didn't want him to get it first, but he got it And it's for it's for the roster. You know what I'm saying? Yeah No, it was you know, it was hard because like it was any time I get into a conversation, you know Those that know my background my promoter background You know one of the first artists that I launched my current company with right premiere live experience Was actually with joe buddin. So I I did Eight shows with joe buddin over the course of like maybe 16 months So I got really close to his management team and to this day You know one of the guys that's on his team has been one of the few mentors that I've had in the music industry So I'm close to these guys and you know They were part of the reason why I jumped into podcasting and one and one of the conversations I had with With joe's manager or one of the managers was he mentioned to me. He's like man, dude If I was you, I would you know really really lean into The latin aspect of who you are on your platform because you know, I've interviewed people like jay prince on my platform And you know, I've interviewed prominent figures, you know, and I could go down the list But some of those conversations though They were informative and if you're a student of the game or a student in the industry I'm trying to tell a story so people can learn It wasn't the the It wasn't connected on a broader level. It wasn't getting the viewership that you know, we all aspire to have with platforms The moment I started shifting and started going Well, you know what let me do a little bit more latin based content Within this conversation because to be honest who better right like who could have those conversations Who can navigate those conversations in that way? I felt that responsibility So when I got in front of a bumby whenever I got in front of a dj paul 36 mafia And we're having these conversations because believe it or not dj paul gave me almost an identical clip and it did just as good But bun being a little bit more prominent here You know it went and it so when it went initially it took off and then went like three or four days ago Uh, it picked up again. It just went viral on twitter last week It did 10 million views on twitter like yeah, literally a week ago He said something on that that was dope about pimp seeing people using, you know, his his uh His his his material his legacy his likeness and and you know, and I felt him on it, you know But at the end of the day, I just know that Man pimp man. He was impactful He stood for something that was greater than anything that we have experienced I don't think we've even ever gone experience it again The way he represented the south and and it's hard not to get around him If you're a true fan of the music and the culture in the south, you're not getting around pimp see Yeah, and I mean like I said, you know, I feel a responsibility any time I get in front of these guys that that Are looked at as legends that have a strong voice I feel a responsibility like what do I want to leave the viewer with because honestly like What different is it watching my interview with bun than watching of lab tv interview with bun or a drink champ's interview with bun or a No, you're gonna kill him. That's what You come on ball stalk. That's what I'm gonna go in This better be a prime example of it. Yeah, I go in over here No, but at the end of the day, that's what we're supposed to do in our own perspective Like the way you do it can't nobody do you like you do you man And can't nobody do me and miss jamaica like we do us and money moses when he come in the dough I'm just telling you be the best you you could be Ain't nobody gonna be like And I'm not just saying this because I'm not just saying this because I'm here But like even right now this conversation It's probably one of the most comfortable I've been quite some time and because you know because a lot of times, you know You'll come in it's like, uh, you know, I want to be conversational I want to be able to be open But with that specific situation, you're right My goal is to okay, you know, this is what they're gonna do with it. I don't even want to watch it I'm I'm coming to knock your fucking head off. That's what I'm trying to do And but then not even just that is that's depends on who you sit in front of You don't know what their mode is and how they're going to convey whatever you say and how it's going to come across Because some people love that cloud love to twist and turn what you say into making it sound Totally different from what you really meant There's a piece in that interview that bun that bun interview for those that are watching and that are becoming familiar with me For the first time if you go back and you watch this interview with bun b There was multiple clips that went viral. You're right the pimsy clip the clip about, you know, the mexican-american But believe it or not There's a part of that interview that is my favorite piece of it that It's gone really overlooked But it's when he's talking about his wife and I and I when I spoke she was there whenever we were doing it And she was filming it But I remember I saw her and I said, you know what this is a perfect opportunity to talk about the balance of Work and professional life, right? Because it's hard to balance that and a lot of creatives that get into that space Don't know how to maintain a personal relationship and a career. So I asked him and man What he said in that interview Is so impactful to me that I feel like anybody that's a creative anybody That's an entrepreneur anybody that's in the music industry or aspiring to be in the music industry And has a relationship or it feels like they're battling with how to You know manage and and balance it They should watch that clip so you didn't clip it and put it put that part out I have I think I should bring it back. I'm gonna bring it back tonight. I think I'm gonna cut it You know what I'm saying because because it was it was real like, you know, because people don't understand like To me, that's where I I want to go. I want to get a little bit more personable I want to get that those layers of somebody's story like young men like You know, we understand we already know the ugk story. So how many times can I tell it to you? You know, like, you know, it never gets old it never gets old It no reason never gets old because there's so many different Aspects of it I have so many different people that hit me up that I'll be trying to and he don't realize this and they don't know this But I go down through like riding dirty. I'm looking at every single person that was on that Yeah, super tight. I'm looking at all the different aspects of who was on that Apple the first one, you know what I'm saying and just just all the way through ugk for life Like I'm looking at how they let him from Steve be loader all of those by uh, A core and more all those guys man and just looking at them and just You know everything about them ugk is is that's texas man But not even just that just like how you said how comfortably you feel by just sitting right here and how People don't understand that just having a conversation It brings back a recollection of something in your past sometimes that you never even thought about bringing up And other interviews because of how comfortable you might feel at this moment in time and Just being asked a certain thing. You're like, oh, you know what such a I never said this before but And then you all are you asking about ugk? You get something that nobody else has ever gotten that's for sure I think for me too whenever I go in because people ask me and I'm sure you guys get asked the same Thing, you know, like do you do you plan your questions and honestly? I don't we go in there? We just we we free flow I might have an idea just because you know, we know Okay, we're gonna steer in that direction But I had already interviewed bunder in the pandemic and I did a phone her with him prior So this was really my third interview. Okay So I had already asked some of the questions like hey man word on the block was uh, You were supposed to be on tupac's album, right? Or hey word on the block was you and uh, ugk and tupac had a song together because that was rumored I've already asked that I could have brought it back, but You know, I want to have a new conversation and then also, you know what like We want to leave it open for future conversations. You know, yeah Well, you just never know where you guys are going to end up especially when you when you say something crucial three Interviews you build in a relationship to where you guys will talk some more and it's just a conversation really and a real live Conversation is something that you just talked about now. Like I mean just kicking it man. Um You dope like I said you you doing your thing, you know in order to set how was the you say You made a trail burger yet No, I know I haven't actually, you know, it's funny. I wanted I was about to flex, right? So this is funny. I did a show Uh three weeks ago in houston. Uh-huh Now because of the working relationship that I've established with bun from booking up for shows, which I have You know, I've done a make-a-wish with him Twice actually where we granted a fan with special needs and a fan that was terminally ill An opportunity to meet him be um, and then I've interviewed him multiple times now I have his direct numbers. So uh, I went to houston. I was texting him when I went out there We were trying to set it up to where I could bring the artist that I booked which was k-camp to go to trailbergs, but Right behind drake time didn't align right behind drake drake just left drake just left you bring your guy through Exactly a time didn't align. God's gonna make it all happen man. It's a god's time. All right Yeah, I mean look, I mean if you would have told me 10 years ago that you know You'd be texting bun on a personal level or even on a professional level like I'd have been like no way You know I'm saying so it's a constant evolution, man And I think that's what happens with even with you you mentioned like hey, man Whenever I started doing this like I couldn't have predicted that this was what was going to happen But it's evolution. That's what we're supposed to experience as human beings as entrepreneurs as creatives We evolve and if we don't evolve and then we're not growing then, you know, we're not going You know I'm saying I get it like I hear what you're saying loud and clear when it comes You don't know you're gonna talk to certain people you would be amazed I don't even tell I've talked to some people. I talked to some people daily I don't even speak on it because it's crazy, right? And and it's like wow, you know, like You never would know that this is gonna happen and God is just like that man I'm a believer, bro So I'm always throw that up because I'm always praying and it happened So whenever when I'm praying it happened, it's like I gotta go with that Look man, I'm I was just telling you right when I walked in, you know And maybe it's because I'm operating on confidence today. Yeah, but uh, and I am just be honest with you Right now. Nobody could tell me anything, you know, I'd say I feel like I've I've I've paid my dues. I've earned my stripes You know, I've I've I've been through the ringer. You know what I'm saying? But this last week I was in Miami and I had a meeting with the vp Vice president inner scope records. I had a meeting with inner scope records Mind you, we had already had an hour and a half conversation Prior to us having this three and a half hour meeting So that's a total of five hours with the vp of the label Mind you, we've I've also been having conversations with capital records with epic records. I've had conversations with you know, um Was some pretty prominent figures on the west coast that do the mexican regional music So and it's all in support of an artist that i'm working with that that i'm managing, you know, that is doing Sensational things. What's the name of this artist? His name is louis the singer. He's a country artist, right? Why you didn't bring wow because he's uh, he's a full-fledged celebrity right now You know, no i'll be honest with you. He was in the studio today, but i'm I'm gonna get him through here. Yeah, he's uh, when I tell you he's doing some really really extraordinary things It's truly an understatement, but Never mind that right because we could talk about that here in a second But the fact that having those means yeah being in those rooms being in those rooms And and not only being in those rooms because me i'm gonna speak on myself and louis as well Like we we both have put in a lot of hours to get to that point to be viewed as an equal To have our voice heard to have our voice respected and i'll be honest Just the best meeting i've ever had in my life and we're talking about anything because we were ourselves Uh, we dictated the conversation. We didn't compromise. We were and we spoke fluently and educated in the in this in this business that we've Given our lives to you know what i'm saying and to be again Someone of mexican-american descent, you know, I don't know anybody from my city Or really from the general area that's been able to experience that at that level and maybe there is Well, there is there is you know i'm just gonna go and let you know who there is And one of the guys you you put his name in your mouth and uh, he's in those rooms just like you He's on your level. Uh, y'all both neck and neck you say that he could never touch you Oh Like you made a some a hard statement in fd. I watched that mogul media when it came out because that's my boy You know Hey, he remember the number I just want to know how you felt so strongly to make those strong remarks About you being the best manager and rainwater could never could never be on your level Y'all both got a lot of similarities y'all promote Y'all go in these different rooms with these different uh big labels. So, uh, what makes you think that you're untouchable Or was that No, it wasn't cap. I'll tell you it was a little bit of wwe It was a little like look brother. I'm gonna face you with a still cage match, brother You know I was killing myself. I mean that was a good interview. No, I appreciate it. No, I mean, I'll tell you the thing about rain Um I did it kind of to ruffle some feathers to be honest with you I was a little irritated with something that he did and I spoke on it But I I don't really have an issue with him, right? You know, there was some Because I have a relationship with bump, right bumpy johnson. I do I like bumpy bumpy comes over here and sing and go Go ahead man. Buffy special. You don't get it fucked up. Buffy go hard And I actually had a label reach out to me about him recently, you know, I'm saying yeah, so Um Bumpy's aware of it. You know what I'm saying and and we've spoken and but you know I was doing a lot of work for bump behind the scenes and he didn't he never let rain know that I was the one kind of Navigating and doing some of those things. So there were some things that were mismanaged that I had to help clean up And that I was a little bit frustrated about so when I finally reached out to rain, you know, I was like, hey What's up, man? Like, you know, I want to get you on my podcast, right? You know, he's stiff means I was gonna be this much, right? I know he is and I get it, you know, I mean, I'm not tripping about it But I was like, man, hold up like you don't even know right that I'm I'm over here playing ghost manager for you You know I'm saying like, you know how you have the ghost writers that write the raps for the hardest I'm playing ghost manager Yeah, I mean so, you know, and I felt like but even honestly Truth be told, I'll tell here's a boss talk one-on-one exclusive You know saying Even whenever I was going to interview him the plan was always to like Maybe it was for the viewership and just for the conversation The plan was always to challenge him online on tv or on screen a bit Let's have a manager face off. You take an artist. Let's go 12 months head ahead and let's see who has better results I was always going to do that No, no, I mean he's reached out a few times. I mean, but I mean I don't really at this point. It's kind of like whatever. But yeah, I mean, but anyways, but the challenge still there I mean, if he wants to lose money Okay, because I'm gonna be honest with you I remember this time here when this bumpy thing was going on and I remember bumpy just getting over there with him too So he really was locking in with you probably prior to him even Yeah, kind of sort of because that was early on I know that were early on because of the time and when I seen interview kind of sort of I mean, you know what like I don't really want to speak on on the bumpy situation because bumpy is He's kind of like he's his own thing, right? And you know, he he messaged me that come on But I I hope he knows it was a little bit of theatrics a little bit of fun I mean, we all do it but But no, I mean to answer the question or to not steer away from it I stand by what I said, like I don't think he could see me, you know, I mean, but I You him man. Hey y'all y'all dope man. No easy. It's a dope. Look. It's some dope managers I'll say this about rain and you know, because I felt like You know, I didn't want him to think oh, he's using my name for cloud Because he went on this whole thing about how he has more followers and this and that And then I started like because you didn't I don't know if you were watching the shit I was actually doing on IG bro. I was pulling his numbers. I was pulling my numbers I went on to like the social media engagement calculator. I was showing that I had a higher engagement rate. So you're real petty I was like, bro This ain't adding up somebody got fake followers Something wasn't added up but no the honesty like I will say this like he's very influential to a community And I can't take that away from anybody because when even when we look at that gamekeeper list that D Did by the way man D didn't pull one out this year D I think the niggas scared D man D running right here scared to put that list out because you know They already told him could put that list out They don't want it out no more people say don't even put me on it no more. I think shun cotton say I'm done with the list He retired him. Yeah. Yeah, man. Jay prince. They don't want to be on the list no more You know, uh, so hey, I don't know what you think you think he should bring this back I think if he doesn't boss talk, what I want is to drop We can do it. Oh, hey, not really I'm gonna be honest with you like It's cool. It's a conversation starting honestly like believe it or not like Whenever they do do it it does shed light on some of the guys that deserve uh to get shed light on Yeah, no, you're right exactly right there So like I don't see nothing wrong in it, but um, but nah man like All those guys are influential, you know from rain to baby to everybody man So I do believe like, you know, even yourself, you know, I'm saying I'm telling man everybody's influential No, y'all we got our influential because y'all have the ability to shed light and amplify a situation and that's a gift Yeah, you know I'm saying so as much as like I was calling them out and all that like I really don't give a fuck to me Honestly, like if I see him, it's like, oh Well, come on. We gotta fight like that ain't nothing like that I was telling everybody I was like, man this ain't the bloods and the krypsis the music industry Like it's like if this is basketball and there's a ball on the court And you know, I feel I could beat you one on one. I'ma tell you I could beat you one on one If I believe it, that's what it is. Whether or not people agree Do you give him prize from mode three man and the and the job he did not only when he was alive But after he passed away, I think he's doing a good job right now because I know that he recently reached out to Somebody that I'm really close to see this is the thing He doesn't know how tight in I am right one of the records that he uh that he played a part in, uh You know post passing, right I have it on my phone right now. Well, see this is the thing like we all run in the same circles So you got to respect people because you don't know how much we could work with each other and how we could benefit from one another But maybe it's just not within his His realm of thinking that there's there's business to be done here, right? Uh, I do think he's doing the best of his abilities to maintain the legacy During the time that he was alive. I'll be honest with you. I wasn't really keeping up to that degree Okay, uh, but the fact that mode three and and again Like I don't want to speak uneducated, but the fact that You know, he has become You know, um A legend A legend. He's huge man. You know what I'm saying people, uh People hold him in that that that goat Conversation now when it comes to artists that have come here Anybody and everybody that was part of that from rain to prophecy That's my boy producers Oh prophecy is my guy because you know visually he created the my guy he created the look the brand There's a lot of people that play a part. They all deserve to be like, you know Celebrated in the sense that like they all played a part So I don't know to the degree of You know the direction the strategy. I don't know that because I but yeah, but I just think it's a beautiful thing You know how you know how being a manager in a situation And you know what I will never take that away from him because you know That's one thing that no one can ever say when it went History was written one way in one way only because I've heard people try to discredit him and say man The only reason that he's who he is is because of this artist like nah, bro Like the truth is the story was written one way and that's him and him together That's the way it is So no matter what you try to say or try to like, you know diminish That's the way it was written wow man. So You um also Like when I look at your page a lot of times you always in the inner city dealing with everybody You know I'm saying I see you dealing with all the artists man, but I don't know Have I seen you with derot derot guys of some heat coming? Yeah, derot just called me today man derot guy coming this week his album coming out this week derot called me Actually, uh, I was eating about probably two three hours ago They called me and he was like, oh man. What's up, man? Because we had ran an interview good We just didn't publish it and I think he wants to run it back to us to support the album There was another guy man, you know what like I'm the modest in the city man I don't know if people give me just through his credit But the one thing that I got to give derot credit for and I told him this on the interview Is like look man you had success As an artist to your point platinum artist to your point had some big singles But also man above all like when you talk about representing the city with integrity You talk about represent representing the city the right way, you know What's the last time you heard derot and a beef? Right, you know, you don't move like that, you know saying, you know, and I think that should be Spoken about you know saying this is a guy that represented with with integrity Took the city everywhere he went and never misrepresented or made us look like ignorant You know I mean so true and I feel that should be at least spoken about when we talk about his legacy And what he's been able to contribute and maybe Maybe in this era of clickbait and this era of music that that's what prevented him from going to the next stop You know saying like to the next step, but what is the next step when you think about deals with Able to pick up the phone and call mark cuban able to pick up the phone and talk with jerry jones able to collab and do things Songs for those teams and stuff nobody else is doing that for sure And I think that's huge. I think we scale it From what sometimes what others may think but I think there's a scale inside of what he does that Really, you got to admire and you got to respect it. I agree with you. I think when I say next step It's not my point of view. It's probably this modern day social That's what I was talking about Like everything's the numbers are glorified. Yeah, the viewership is glorified You know, I think up to a certain extent like, you know street credit is glorified in this era You know I'm saying where if you ain't been shot three times, you're not real, you know, I'm saying like, you know It's like damn dude, like if you ain't been a prison twice, you're not a real a real artist And it's crazy how that that that narrative is kind of shifted and kind of changed over the years, but I told the rule like look man, you never had any beef You you you just I mean, maybe he did competitiveness But like you never saw it and he just did this thing and he worked hard man You got to admire that you got to respect. It's a workhorse. I didn't know you guys We talk as well. So it's just a dope dude interact with So what's what's the next thing we we doing for his event planning? What's going on because you always have an event going last time it was project path Which you didn't send him over here. It was uh, it was dj paul. Three six months. Did they all come? The ones that were in line. Okay That's hard man. Yeah, and I could be in there there as well. Yeah I can't stand you man. That's what I'm talking about right there But you know what that's what I'm talking about tried. I try what I'm saying. I try to get you never come out, bro We got him out. You know, I try to get him to do something, but like You know, he didn't want to do nothing. He didn't want to he didn't want to do nothing But no, I mean like I'm constantly doing tours. You know I'm saying like that's just part of what I do That's part of my company. You know right now on schedule I have soldier boy coming up. Yeah September I saw that he posted come on boss talk. Don't don't play me bro. All right, man Bro, you better put it in the country The contract's already executed, but you know what? I gave him a call man. He he go. He owe me one big draco Soldier boy. I guess I hit him up. He owe me one. So you got soldier boy I got a few other shows, but I mean, you know, there's always things things being added on, you know, like The the beauty of where I'm at is that I feel like I could move at my own pace Uh, I also feel that I can navigate between different worlds Like if I want to do Latin I could do Latin if I want to do hip-hop because that's really my passion and my love I could do that at any given time and you know as a buyer I have relationships with agencies. I have relationships with you know Managers and so on and so forth. So I'm always getting people pitching like hey, do you want this tour? Hey, do you want that tour? Hey, do you want this tour and it's become a lot more Easier I think over the years to be able to do certain things because it used to be Just for the record for those that are aspiring promoters or people that do shows It used to be like if you book a show To book an artist you have to put half the deposit down to go on sale to promote the shows and start going to work I've been in a position where I'm very fortunate where I'm trusted. I'm established. I'm experienced You don't have to do that. I don't have to put in most cases anything down I just got to pay them the day of or or after, you know, because they know I'm solid and If I do put anything down, it's minimal. So it allows me to work a lot more freely. It doesn't You know put all this pressure on me to where I have to have This money to stay this day. So but I have a question for you. When was the last time you did a latin tour? I mean technically right now the artist that I'm managing is on tour right now We got like 23 cities and he's mexican-american. I also have A few other like, you know, I did the latin festival back in 2021 And you know, I'll do it What I'm doing now is some of the out like some of the cities throughout Texas because you know, I've ran Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin in terms of touring Pretty much the last several years. Like I've done several shows there I'm trying to focus on a little bit of more of the b-mark. It's like the lovex, the amaryllos, the Odesses, the midlands, the you know, the off cities that don't get that Can you put can you put a big tony? Can you put a young easy? Can you put what's the other guy name I asked you about earlier would be done in g-love t Mexican ot Mexican ot and what's the other it's one more d baby and then And then the guys and can you put them all together and make some happen working with those guys? I mean, I think there's a way to I don't know that it'll that'll be hard I mean, I think like any other culture that you see what I'm saying If you bring a wave like that through they got to respect You know what it's interesting about that is that I I feel like I'm a bit disconnected from it I understand it, but because I'm so locked into what I do. I don't always keep up with the new wave I'll catch on when I catch on But I mean, you know the one thing about our culture like any other culture. I'm sure we're very territorial So when some of these guys get in position And they feel like they have to be the only ones that they compete a lot with each other unnecessarily sometimes And the truth is is like you mentioned like you're right. Would you like to see it? Of course, I would love to I think I think the people more than anything would like to love it Yeah, you know I'm saying and I think it's time for stuff like that to happen, but the likelihood of it happening It would take someone like me to do it. That's why I asked you I don't know that I have the energy or the want at the moment because I'm so again I'm locked into what I'm doing like I have um I have my own personal goals that I'm trying to achieve like man. Like I'm 38 years old I've been doing music a long time. I jumped in early Um, I want to be you know, if I'm not an executive at a you know If not a major label if my own situation is not a major in the next Five to ten years, then I did something wrong, you know, because that's where I want to be that's always been the goal It's to be that that level to where I'm signing talent. You know I'm saying I'm propelling talent You know, I want to have multiple Grammys multiple platinum records You know on behalf of the talent that I brought in And you know the cool thing about what's happening with the artist right now Is having the success that he's having and Louis the singer Is that I actually discovered Louis at 17 years old And so you know now here we are he started three years old most overnight success stories take 15 years And he's a living proof of that And to see him having the success that he's having right now to the degree that he's having man. I mean I wouldn't ever guessed it, you know, because we had a run like our initial four-year run And then he broke off did his own thing. I did my own thing He went through some things when the prison got out. We reconnected You know, we tried to do it again. They didn't really figure it out Broke off again, and then you know, he got himself hot to all credit to him. He figured it out And you know and I was doing my thing and we just connected at the right time because he you know He knew if I'm going to take this to the next step. I have to have someone I trust I have to have somebody that I know that knows me Uh, that's respected because you know at this point, you know You want once you get to a certain point in your career and in your life you the quality of people is massively important and The quality of your peer group the quality of your company it becomes Imperative in terms of growth. You know now you got to be like man. Look if I'm going to level up I got to be around bosses. You know what I'm saying? I got to be And people that are are masters at the craft because if you're hanging around with seven People right if you hang around with seven millionaires, then like the likelihood is going to be the eighth one More like you know say like the like that's the truth. Yeah, you know, I want to ask you something else too Uh, I I know you've seen when uh, my boy a big poke you passed away like Um, you know, I know that's a tough loss for for age For us because I used to love when he jumped on these songs sensei and all that I listen all that And and it's just like to lose one at the one like that the way it went out It was crazy for me and you know esg hit me up and told me Hey, man, this real this happening at three in the morning, right? And it was like what I can't believe it bro. So I mean just tell me your thoughts on big poke and just what you thought of him as an artist So interesting enough, um me and pa pa wall. That's my boy man. I like power We got we got a really close relationship and I'm really close to his manager google and when I say Me and goo talk all the time. He probably getting power over a hundred days hundred years ago And I ain't even had to throw that alone. Look, I'm gonna tell you some Goo and me talk if not every day every other day, you know, I'm telling him you was on bolstow. No, you know We've talked about it Actually, I should say this on camera goo is my son My guy, okay, we talk about everything, you know what I'm saying, but when the When the poke footage first surfaced, yeah, I texted him and then he texted to me Ironically, I think I IG Dm'd him and then he called me he called me this is 130 in the morning Yeah, that's what happened. So this so he calls me this before the passing had became public And uh, we saw it And you know, obviously, you know, he was paul's were pokey the week before in odessa So they had just did a show but for me When I woke up in the morning and I found out that he had passed I didn't know pokey. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I was the biggest fan of his music But respect for everything that he's done My initial thought and how I was impacted is I'm a heavy said dude You know I'm saying and I saw pokey on camera Because I mean did you watch the actual footage? I did but I didn't watch it many times. You know how I am No, yeah, so I mean I felt he looked Great, you know I'm saying in terms of compared to his weight prior He looked for me. He looked fairly in shape, you know for for his size But to see him collapse like that was scary for me being a heavy said guy I'll be honest with you, man. I mean just that whole day I was drinking water because it's like it was reported I had been told that it was a heat stroke from an inside source But there was an autopsy that they're saying that it hasn't been revealed They don't know what it is. I do know that there was some underlining conditions prior I think he was in the hospital a few a few weeks prior with with his heart So maybe there was something there Uh, but just knowing some of the people that are involved with his career I know a few of these guys I talked to him like said and who happened to be managing him like we chatted recently It's hard man. It's hard and it it it sucks that it takes Things like this to put not only your life and mortality into perspective, right? but to To show appreciation to the degree that people show that appreciation to give people their flowers, you know There was a lot of people that were released in like You know, here's like a special drink that we're gonna give all the proceeds to like yeah, I get it I respect it, but there's also this part of us like man Why did it take for that to happen for him to see that to smell the roses man? You know, I know pa. I don't I don't know kiki personally like that, but Those guys have Yeah, he's always shown that pokey love, you know I'm saying so it's a loss, you know I'm saying and It's just tough man. It's unfortunate. I think I'm kind of I think it hit different just being A bigger guy a bigger guy not trying to be fun. You know, I get it because because it health is wealth No, no, I get it because you can plan all this stuff and if you don't have you You know, you don't you don't keep yourself in a situation because one thing about it though You can't scale, you know one day you're here and then you're gone. Yeah the next day you're going, you know, um That's a powerful song that that ugk done and shout out runny Spencer Me and him talk that day, you know, they all In the same Same for sentences the screwed up click all that stuff man Willings all them boys I talked to him and it's just like I just know that, you know, god is in control man and everybody everybody Got to get up out of here, bro Everybody I don't care how many it's people that don't have no problem They're gonna go to sleep tonight. They ain't gonna wake up tomorrow, brother And nobody they get trying to figure out why so it's just it's just very important to get your house in order, bro Yeah, that's that's one thing I can't say don't you agree with that? It's very important to get your house in order, bro Yeah, I mean, you know, like I I just want to encourage everybody that hasn't gotten checked and that Is overweight to have an understanding of like hey, you know, we're not we're not immortal Right, we're not, you know at any given like you said any tomorrow's not promised The next second is not promised, but I think you know health as well, you know, I I'm trying my best to to to live by that right and doing my best to get things in order because Being a heavy-set guy and Having people that I know personally family relatives friends that are heavy as well like hey man like Really gotta gotta watch ourselves because we don't know and I don't even know if it was coordinated to that Per se but in that moment when I saw that video, that's what that's what spoke to you because Being a big guy. Yeah, I'm like dog like that could have been me, bro Man, so so who and and r.r.p. The big poking god bless his family, man My condolences for sure. Absolutely. Um, but who Coming up, you know, you do podcasts. Who's next man? Like on the radio. Who would you like to interview? Man, I was very close to interviewing fat Joe recently. I that would be hard Yeah, I think so, uh, I would I mean I think who there's that's two part question There's a part of it like who I have coming up Which isn't a lot because I kind of do it kind of on a per case basis But who I want There's a handful of people I want because like we talk about diversity. We talk about Not having so much of one thing, right? So I would love to get, you know, Earl Spence and Terence Crawford on there. That would have been Going that fight. That's a good question. You know what? Well, you better say the right answer. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Terence Crawford, right? What? Yes, I'm gonna say Terence Crawford. Are you crazy? Hold on. Let me hear why. So I'm a boxing fan to the core Had this been pre-accident, Earl, 1000% no questions asked. Earl has size. He has power He's an efficient body puncher and I feel that he just he's a better fighter, you know They say he's back to what he used to be. No, I don't know that that affects you That yeah, I I think it affects you, but I still say that that that it's not going to be no easy win No, no, no, they're just walking there and just take no not at all All four is he got four or five bills I think it's four. No, so Crawford just gonna go in and take all four of them bills like that and walk out We'll walk right on that. I think Earl has three and Crawford has one or before total builds But I feel that Earl still has size regardless no matter what even now he still has size I just don't know how he's gonna respond and react whenever he gets hit Like hard and I do think there's gonna be a point in that fight where he gets hit hard And I that's why I feel like Crawford is gonna have a lot of advantages because I don't necessarily think he's gonna knock him out But I think it's gonna he's gonna fight conservative throughout the fight once that happens What about it? What if what if uh, Earl spins comes in and walk him down with that jab Round for round. I mean it could happen. I mean I I could see if you get in them in a rhythm and start Walking them down then what you gonna say? I mean, I'm gonna give him credit because I because I because there's nothing I could I don't just I don't dislike Earl or think that Earl's not a great fighter. I think he's a great fighter I'm gonna lean towards bud Crawford this fight But it's really because I felt Earl's not who he was personally And there's no way like after a wreck like that. There's no way you can come back and be Like how you were. Yeah, I mean I I had you know, again me being pretty deep into the box Where I had heard around the way that there was rumors that you know It was more severe than what they let on or than they gave out right and if it is like we don't know To me when you see that car In the in the in the fashion that was to me It's hard to believe there wasn't some form of brain damage that occurred there. That's a that's crazy So, yeah, but he it threw him out early. You know, he didn't get to flip with the car I don't know man. He lost all his teeth. You know saying so, you know, did he have veneers before? I don't know, but I know he has a whole new set of teeth You know I'm saying so he I mean from what was it was reported. I don't know exactly the extent of it, right It's it's tough man. Like I said, when you start looking at that kind of stuff It really bothers you, but then it could be something deep down in him It's got a gold mode that ain't trying to hear it You know what when he fought this last fight against oogas and you know, he got hit I want to say in the sixth seventh round and He kind of got stumbled it was weird to see that because it felt like there was delay there And I almost felt like he had some form of PTSD from the car wreck and it just kind of makes me feel like man hold up like Something might be going on here, you know, because when he fought Danny Garcia and he came back He beat the shit out of Danny Garcia, right? And I love Danny by the way That's probably why you still got a problem bringing up this accident like nah, not even But if he's that hurt if he's that you know where It might affect him like one terrible punch can really if it's you know damage him severely like He has enough money where he can retire. Like why not retire? You know what I feel this is his cash out I personally feel like he's in a fight Terrence if they could stretch it out to three fights or two fights or however Any fights he's gonna make his money and knees out. I don't see no reason why he would fight anymore to be honest with you And honestly, I was in that I was in that group of people like had he chose to retire Then you know, why not? You're you're you're alive. You're intact. You're everything's good You got your money man because boxing is a brutal sport And it's not a sport that you're meant to be in long term and if you are it's really because You genuinely want to have this legacy, but you know, you see so many fighters that Get older that are just a shell of themselves. You know what I mean? So So you think man shout out to Floyd money may one man That's yeah, I'd money may well, you know what he knew how to play it Shout out to Floyd money may one He got all of his everything Shout out to Floyd man Floyd Hey pretty boy Floyd He was the ultimate businessman with the ultimate chess player He knew what he knew what he couldn't couldn't do and he and he mastered it. You know what I'm saying? You're right. You know, he got it in out and he's still doing his thing. I mean, he's out there fighting You'll fight me right now right now right here for whatever and do well, you know So yeah, I mean I want to see the Earl Spence and Terrence Crawford really as a fan I just wanted to be entertaining. I want people to To support their money's worth. It's gonna be huge money about that, you know, two Fighters in their prime and if they could stretch I want to see as many fights as possible and hopefully both and those guys right off into the sunset with a good payday Because both of them have earned it, you know, they've both worked hard, but if you're asking me I'm a gold bud. Wow top top Top uh Top interviewers and not just I'm talking about from joe budden. I'm talking about from That's such a good question. I'm talking about for top. Yeah, top three. I'm talking about for vlad. I'm talking about for for Adam 22. I'm talking about for mad hoff. I'm talking about from shun cotton balls. Talk 101 I'm talking about from all of the different podcasts all the way down to big facts Beehive Who is your top three of all time in interviewers, man? We'll see that again. This is an interviewer's man. So it's it's a very tough one Vegas you can't put yourself in You can't put yourself in your mind. I'm number one. No me me No, you know what? Well, how would you layer it man? Like it would be based on who I'm entertained by and what I like to see How would you layer it? So I'm a big fan of the pivot, you know pivot. Yeah, that boy's doing a good job Great job. Ryan Clark. I feel is amazing. So he's the one really he's the lead, right? Okay, so I love where those conversations go me being a sports fan. Like I enjoy that Uh, man I didn't put club say say on there shannon shannon. No, I would say shannon. Actually, that's what I was gonna say I'm entertained by shannon and I love his style. I love the way he delivers I love the fact that it's it's personable Like, uh, so shannon is probably somebody that I would put in the in that conversation as well And man, honestly like number three That's gonna be the tough one bro because You know, I I do like joe. I do like joe budding. I do like joe budding I do like whenever he has The actual pull-ups and those certain conversations and I like where those conversations go but Man, honestly, like matt barnes and all the smoke. Those guys are really dope too. You know, I'm saying a lot of man Yeah, this is our name. No, man. It's hard. You can't just start naming everybody, man I'll tell you the people that I don't like No, but I really I wanted to top three because that's something we got to we got to look at Man, come on, man. You if I'm gonna do top three interviewers. Charlemagne the god number one for all is great No, I don't think nobody touches charlemagne when it comes down to and I don't even I'm not cool with the other Caste like that. Whatever else is going on over there It'd be cool, but I'm talking about charlemagne Just the way I've seen him go out and do things and present himself and question people and go into those interviews I like him. I like him a lot. I think he's all it Shoot, man, I know my number one is oh big boy the morning You like big boy like that? I like big boy. I do like whenever I watch his Man, dude, he did some dope fucking interviews. Like I just watched a series of his interviews And man, he just knows how to mix it up. He knows how to get personal Yeah, he knows when to be funny. He knows how to like man. He's just man. He's for me He's a master interviewer to me and I'm a and I'm a huge huge fan of I love the carlos miller 85 south I'm with him. I love the laid-backness of it. I love the country boy style, you know what I'm saying? So when I see them guys do they thing and to come from where they come from I rock with them, you know what I'm saying Uh, who else would I say number three? Who would you I let you pick the third? Who would you pick? You might pick a female Ain't no females like that. You're the only female miss jamaica. That's gonna be my number one at all Two years of being my number one ain't no number one to set them up But at the end of the day, I don't know the third one like you said third one's hard. Um, uh, definitely, you know, like I say I look at all these people man, and they just having conversations if I interview have one of them They in trouble, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I mean because you want to get certain conversations out of people Yeah, but I do I've been I don't I Joe button I like Ariel. I want you to treat me man. Joe. Joe. That's your boy because you came up with him Joe Joe just Joe like to have fun and target practice. He out there just shooting at whatever move Joe was Academic, bro. Yeah, every old Hawaiian. Uh academic, bro academics, um You can't be mad at a can bring some noise. He can make stir some things up Bro, but I enjoy the sports guys. They do you go out of sports guys Yeah, I like Mike Tyson's fucking bad wouldn't skip and and Shannon kind of went this ever way Dude, you know what I'm gonna be honest with you, bro I I've been watching espn really my whole life, right? So You're talking about I was a big fan of part of the interruption, right? You're talking about michael will bond tony kornizer Religiously every day they that shit got me through some things, right? Then first it was cold pizza that it turned into first take So I was there through all the variations of you know, steven a smith skip bayless When skip left espn everybody thought like y'all so No, I mean, yeah, they were like, uh, yeah, he ain't gonna last at fs one, right? You know because fs one ain't it ain't as attractive as espn And he went out there and he created a show With shannon sharp who I don't think a lot of people gave you know, they didn't give him a dog in the fight You know, they didn't think he was gonna be he killed it man I mean he he's definitely worth a lot more than what he than he was when he came in he killed it and uh I don't think there's been a point in time since that show was on the air that I like First take more than an undisputed. I have love undisputed and I became part of my dating routine I love watching it So when I saw them kind of go their own ways I mean if you kept up with the show you knew it was coming because it was getting a little disrespectful on on on screen But I mean shannon shannon's gonna go on to have massive success He's about to get a big contract whether it's from espn espn just did major layoffs this last week Oh, yeah, they're cleaning up that cap. They're ready to cut that check And if he doesn't get it from them amazon's gonna get him for sure because amazon's making a big big You know push towards sports, but yeah, I was definitely disappointed because they had chemistry man And I felt that a lot of people gave steven a smith a lot of credit for the uh, the success of You know First take and the chemistry that him and skip did skip had or whatever right and they did have great chemistry But if skip can replicate that chemistry with someone else and in a lot of ways Connect even more because you know shannon was really kind of talking hanging out over little wane house I don't think that's gonna do it. Yeah I feel like with shannon, but even little wane could do something No No, no No, shannon was just man shannon was shannon special man. Like he's not dead Don't try to tell him come from nothing like me So that's why I know he came from uh houses where it rained and like he said it all is my old grandma Say if you get him something where it can rain harder than can it won't rain on her head I never forget this speech because I come from the country. Yeah, so to hear him say that man It's just hard man. What about I got a question I want to say let me shout out my boy big court too because he got a smooth smooth platform over there And and you have you watched holding court? I haven't you gotta tell me in the holding court, man Yeah, I'm just I'm just I'm still stuck on the shannon ship because man Because did you watch what happened with him whenever? It was a hurtful situation. Wasn't it? I mean he was he was really, uh, you know He's about to talk. Yeah, bro. I can't do that. What was wrong with skill? It was it was just mad, you know, why did skip say that like you go and because it all started with the demar Hamlin situation with the demar Hamlin What skip say you you you couldn't be and he's like man. I'm my husband trophy. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a fucking hall of fame Bro, like what are you talking about? Yeah, bro. Like it shit is crazy. What did you think about? You thought skip was wrong or you thought shadow was wrong? No, I think skip was 100% wrong It kind of had a little bit of that that tone and like yo, man, you don't do that You're teetering that line. You're teetering that line. You're teetering that line, my boy You know what I'm talking about. No, it can't be that way. I'm down on the level that's still going Go ahead, baby No, I was just curious because I know that um in today's society. I'm seeing a lot of um Entertainers wearing and I even entertainers. I see regular guys doing this too wearing nail polish on their fingers What do you think about that? I mean color you didn't come on here with no damn nail You came on with some damn nail. Let me see your nail. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. No, sir. He's drinking. He's drinking. I wouldn't give a damn what Drake did. I'm from the old school. You know, I think to kind of echo his statement I'm from the old school, right? So like I try I try my hardest to understand like What's current fashion? It's hard for me to understand this sometimes, you know what I mean It's hard for me to understand like yo, this is what this is what people do now, right? Um, I wouldn't wear it. Um I wouldn't want my son to wear it I'd say if your son come around a corner and have on it. What would you say to him? It depends, man I don't know man. I don't know what I would do honestly I would I would because I love my son regardless sit on top to I've been like what what's going on? Like what's the trick? What does it represent? Does it really? I don't really know We think it represent. No, I don't think so because like let's just say like, you know There was a period of time where there was like that goth look that was Changed the long hair the black nails like Exactly, you know saying so like it really depends on the content like if he's wearing like pink nail polish Drake just did the pink, but I'm thinking when I see drake wearing pink I'm like you trying to promote something with your music Reaching you know these guys do it must be for the drop something because that's that's what I'm thinking weird stuff like that It's for reaction. Yeah, it's for reaction You want to get everybody to watch him and and and you know the game you you probably you you upped up with the execs So y'all vp in it telling people to do this and do that so we can get it popping I get it. I get it. My next question to you is okay. You're into sports and you love sports Do you like michael jordan? Fucking of course Bro, don't even ask me that question. That's that's that hurts me to even even be asked that like Yes, 100 I love it more than LeBron. I can answer that question without a doubt people will make the argument and I've said this on interview I actually Me and bun b had this conversation. I said, you know, it's crazy to me that never in my lifetime Because every error that comes in right every generation that comes in Wants to believe that their generation was better than the previous generation and there's no arguing these young kids Are gonna say our generation's better. Yeah, it is what it is. That's what they know But god man, I never in my lifetime would have thought that somebody would question michael jordan's greatness And you go on twitter now you go on instagram now there's people that are like Jordan played against plumbers and he had scottie all of a sudden now scottie pippin is the greatest player of all time He had scottie pippin to carry him and i'm just saying oh him and scottie pippin. They were good on the court And then they had their rift Down their rift but then recently Recently he was posed the question because you know scottie pippin not scottie pippin michael jordan's son 32 years old is 32 years old is dating scottie pippin x wife Yeah, that's fine. That's fine, but i'm just telling you and they asked jordan if he liked it and jordan was like It don't matter all i'm telling you is scottie pippin them, you know It was a team around them you got lonely you got occur you got really That's what you're gonna say Man, like i ain't gonna sit there and say when they didn't count at all, bro You have to have a team you know i don't i'm gonna say anything goes for lebron. He had cruse bashing dwayne i'm a michael jordan fan, so i'm just telling you that Pippin wasn't the only one when you made that same It was some guys around the environment because really it was more of a distraction than all of them do Look i'm talking about what the internet says i when i see this and i've seen people question and jordan's greatness. I'm like this is I can't even find the words to describe like He would have won eight straight championships Had he not retired during that little period where he decided to go off and play baseball He would have won eight straight the rockets would have never won those two championships for sure three Two years off and then one three, you know what i'm saying like that's my opinion He ain't playing about joy No, you know i wasn't even a jordan fan I started watching the nba in 1992 because of she kill on neil i'm a she kill on neil fan He's my favorite player of all time really she kill on neil is the reason why i fell in love with basketball I started watching basketball when she killed came in the league and i retired whenever kobe retired I haven't watched basketball since kobe retired, but i know everything about basketball in that era so she killed I wanted the orlando magic to win the championship whenever they knocked out the bulls It was the best feeling in the world to see You know hoarse grab being hosted on the shoulders at the united center like oh, we just won It was to me. It was great. You know because i was shack and penny all the way But you know the end of the day I mean you got to respect the greatness jordan six for six man. He won six championships He won he won six finals. Lebron has lost six finals man What's the name of your podcast the smooth vagabod cast is officially the name of it You know i was doing nothing beats experience So you can find some episodes under that or quite a bit actually the majority of them under that But i changed at the beginning of the year make more of a branding move Focus more on my my my personal brand something i wasn't always comfortable with you know like I speak about this now pretty openly But i feel like there was a part of me that suffered from imposter syndrome and when people hear the word imposter syndrome They think that that means like you're you're you're you're an imposter. No, it's like no, bro Like that's you know a deeper think a diff a deep a deeper deep dive into psychology Where a lot of people view you as this big person, but you don't view yourself as that You feel like you're not good enough. You're not doing enough and I was a victim of that like I didn't feel like Everybody was like man. You doing it big you doing it big and i'm not man. I ain't doing it big enough And now I i'm finally comfortable within my own skin. I'm comfortable owning that yo, this is who I am This is what I represent This is what I mean to my to my community to my city to my people to my neighborhood You know i've said it openly man like I feel i'm the best at what I do And and that's not no knock against anybody That's the self-belief that I have to carry to be able to continue to push forward Year around I speak at schools, you know elementary schools middle schools high schools I spoke in a tcu to group full of students, you know, you're talking about someone that did not graduate high school People that they told was never gonna make it. I was expelled out of school in seventh eighth ninth and 10th grade for Just basically being someone that Was in discipline. I didn't like taking authority. I talked back And to overcome all those obstacles to be someone that now is A gatekeeper, uh, you know someone that's you know paving the way someone that's out there, you know Giving back to the neighborhoods to the giving back to the community, you know Every year I do an annual toy drive where I race toys and I've been doing this now since 2007 2008 I've raced thousands and thousands and thousands of toys over the years Do a free community event every Christmas and I give back to you know the less fortunate or You know the people that don't have it during that time like I take a great deal of pride in what I do And you know What's your uh, give me your handle on ig man. How can people get a hold of if they trying to link up? You know, they know a show coming. They want to be a part of it. It's just awesome with vega. You know sm o o th v e g a facebook smooth vega 85 slip me up you'll find me Smooth vega man being on boss talk one a year later man doing this thing man We love this guy man and this guy right here man Listen if you come through the city, you got to stop and rock with him. Thank you, sir I'm saying uh, but a smooth vega one of those guys man the gatekeeper list Uh him and him and uh mogul media partners though. Don't get it I'm not even gonna play with y'all, but they don't Check it man. It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 what a boss has talked man. You already know appreciate it man Thank you so much