 And back now to the cabinet reshuffle. One of the biggest surprises was Nanaia Mahuta being handed the portfolio of Minister of Foreign Affairs. She will be the first woman ever to hold a role in New Zealand. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern praised Ms Mahuta's ability to build strong relationships quickly, which will be key on the world stage. Nanaia Mahuta is with us now. Kia ora. Kia ora, Morina. Congratulations, making history the first woman in the role, and indeed Wahine Maori. What to you is the significance? Well, look, the Prime Minister's been very clear in reshaping cabinets for this time, is that we are focused on a recovery that takes all New Zealanders forward. And as we develop our relationships globally, it's very much focused on how we can do things differently. And with a view in mind, as a small country, we have the capacity to lead out on that point of difference. And the recovery in a COVID context means that we want more people to thrive for the benefits to go deeper into regional economic development, but also focus our capacity on what we can do to carve out market share in a trade context in some very new areas. I think the Prime Minister's made it really clear to each and every one of us who have got a new responsibility that she absolutely wants us to work collectively, wants us to focus very much on how we can drive the implementation for the recovery and improve the relationships that we have, not only domestically but internationally as well. So you want to take quite a different view, quite a different take on foreign affairs in that case. Were you surprised to be offered the role? And indeed, have you been surprised at how your appointment has been received in some quarters? Well, I was hugely honoured to be offered the role. It's the position that some ministers really can only dream of and very few ministers have attained the opportunity to be able to steward through the foreign affairs conversation space that can lead New Zealand into a different space. I think I can do that in a different way. I think that we have the capacity now as a small nation to drive out different types of solutions. Much of that has been invested in our indigenous perspective and how we've been able to do things differently domestically, take that into the international fore, but also undoubtedly as a small country our relationships matter. So in a COVID context when you can't travel it's going to be really important to maintain those lines of communications and relationships in a very different way. Take us inside that conversation between you and Jacinda Ardern as much as possible. What was that like? Did you ask for this role? Did she offer you the role and if so what was your reaction? Oh look, to be fair to the Prime Minister she's been enlarged caucus based on the significant mandate that New Zealanders gave us to govern and she was looking through the skill set of the whole caucus and you can imagine that took her quite a lot of time to see where people could offer their skills and effort and passion towards the objectives of the government and she certainly for my part like many others asked us you know what our interests and passions were. I had the opportunity to be Minister of Local Government, Associate Trade, Associate Housing, Associate Environment, Māori Development in the previous government and I mapped out I believe a set of achievements but also a set of aspirations and on balance she took that into account and I was offered the portfolios that I have. Do you think people have underestimated you? Oh look I'm not so worried about what people think of me I'm actually very focused on what I can achieve as a part of the team that is committed to a recovery. And committed to taking New Zealanders forward on the foreign affairs front I think more and more New Zealanders are wanting to understand at a broader level how we all benefit from deepening our foreign affairs presence across the globe and how those relationships translate to real benefits back here in New Zealand. Nanaia Mahatū, thank you very much.