 The stand continues. Remember we are talking about political party progression right here on Y254. I'm seeing so many people giving their comments saying they are watching from different regions, different parts of the country and the world beyond. Remember we are live on Facebook and on our website at www.y254.co. But remember the hashtag is the stand at Y254 channel on Twitter at Ram Agukor. We are joined by Karl Marx of the Ambo and Mundalo Advice. Before we went for the short break, I gave a comment by Deputy President William Bruto. We will be touching on different political parties. Let me re-read that. The party has been hijacked by brokers who are running it through fear. The word is the party position, the same virus that infected Kano and killed it after the 2002 elections has come to Jubilee. We are talking about outside influence in a political party. Karl Marx, you are about to give your stand on that. Thank you so much once again. You know, sometimes if you get to have leaders who are insidious or snarky or you can call them fidious, you will get to a point whereby the Deputy President can call his party members, konmen, brokers. I don't know those terminologies. Let me tell you, if you are the Deputy President, meaning you are the second in command in that political party. When the Konmen are in that house, you are a Konman. Because how do you live in a house whereby Konmen are? These brokers are in Jubilee. Why is the Deputy President? He is complaining like an ordinary kibkirui or mudalo or kohesh or some whatever. Who do you expect now to speak for his supporters? If he is the one complaining, this is the right time for him to actually show the leadership. If the party has been hijacked, he needs not to be there. But this thing of lying to the supporters, basically Ram, if you've talked of all words the Deputy President actually stated, that means one to me is actually very economical with the truth. Number two, that guy doesn't want to tell his supporters the truth that I've actually got to the dead end and nothing else. So before that, I think that party is the same party that these people are praising. Either they can do the reforms to make the party be the same party they want or that guy just ship out. As simple as that, he can form the Deputy President. Instead of calling them all those funny names, this is the right time for him to tell them enough is enough. I don't think I can actually sustain this pressure or maybe the smoke is too much, I need to get out of this place. Advice, you stand. The Deputy President is the Deputy Party Leader of Jubilee Party. That in essence shows you that is the second in command in the party. And therefore when the second in command owns up to having a people away from himself who have taken the leadership and the management of the party which he is supposed to be leading then he is owning up to the fact that he has nothing to actually tell the party supporters about the party. To me it simply means and the people that he is referring to by all respect if it's maybe people like Honrebo Murade we know that they hold substantive position in the party. In the name of vice chair, Honrebo Rafael Tuju is the Secretary General. So these people are actually not goons or actually conmen as it says. To me therefore just means that maybe the party has taken a direction that is not agreeable to the philosophy of the Deputy Party Leader. And when it comes and which is okay in politics that a party can go a direction that you don't agree with as an individual. And I think the right thing to do at that point is number one if you are in the leadership of the party you should try to steer it towards the right agenda that you formed the party on. And number two. You've talked about the Deputy President steering the party. Meaning giving leadership qualities through his own actions. You've also mentioned that as you stand. There is a clip something that the Deputy said that will be running in a bit. My director maybe you can bring it up in a few minutes coming up what the Deputy President said you mentioned about leadership. Do you, as you mentioned your second point don't you think that based on his utterances he is displaying what he wants to be done? Ram, the Deputy Party Leader of the party is not a position for him to complain about the party. It is a position for him to steer the party to the direction that the party is supposed to be. And when he joins the bandwagon of complainers we then tend to wonder then what he is doing as the Deputy Party Leader. Because since we know the problem is still not supposed to be echoing the problem to us he is actually supposed to be providing solutions to us not repeating the problem. Ram, how do you complain to your juniors? Because it's telling them that next minute you'll be the president and you'll be complaining to the minister.