 So let's call the meeting to order. And we have both board members and guests here. So the board members are art. David. Janine. Julie. Maria. Prudence. Sheila and myself, which is a full house. Everyone is here. Our guests today are Jason from the recreation center. Ben Wagner. Melinda Ciricillo, resource specialist for LHA. Lisa Gallin are regional property manager. And then we have some staff from the senior center, Megan. Amy. And then we have some staff from the recreation center, which is not the least of which is Michelle. So thank you all for being here. If anybody has a topic, I don't think we have any people attending from the public, but they're invited to be heard. If need be. So I think we can move to. Review the meetings from the minutes from last month's meeting. Okay. I think we can move to the next item. And does anybody have. Corrections other than me. So prudence. Here I go. I guess I had my mute on. Can you hear me now? I can. Okay. I do have a correction. Okay. Under the disc under new business. A. About. Oh, I don't know about eight lines down. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's just a small thing, but I was actually referring to isolation. As it relates to depression. So you could just add in. Isolation and depression. That was kind of the, the main thing there. I guess that was it. Okay. Anybody else. Just a couple of typos. Yep. Go ahead. Okay. Under B slate of officers discussion. There is, there is one, two, three, four lines down. It should be by Janine. Rather than. My Janine. She has our Janine. I know she is. And then a couple of lines down. Eliminate the word is, I think. Yep. Okay. I would like to go to old business positions update. Second line. David's last name is spelled C O I L E. Those eyes are going to just come back to haunt you. I know. And then under new business discussion. The end of the first paragraph. Janine asked about the effect of the Lewis mill fire on. On the Lewisville senior center. Just a little rough on the wording, I think. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Susan. Yes. I got to actually, I do have one more under. Under page three down at the bottom of the page. Sustainability. Yes. That. I wonder if I could suggest some language there. Do email it to me, David. Okay. I'll do that. Okay. Yeah. You know, I think I'm going to shorten the minutes. Because. So. I know we had agreed to a moderate amount of time. So. So I know we had agreed to a modified Robert's rules. However, I would like to just put. Topic. Discussed next steps. Without anything. Any more. Verbiage. So. Good. Good. There we go. But. Just some spelling. So. Page three city council. Second line. I believe that the woman's name is Frank. How's our F. R. A. N. Just missing the R after the F. It's actually. F. A. N. K. Bank houses. Okay. And I found it a different on another website. I don't know. But. Just some spelling errors. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's a different on another website. And one more question then under area agency on aging one, two, three, four, five lines down. Is it angel bar or bond? On. B O N is a no. And I think I'll stop picking on prudence because I think she does a great job. Yeah. We need a motion to approve the minutes. So. I make a motion to prove the minutes. David and Julie. Then. Let's see. Old business. That first one is Lisa, you were going to fill us in on your meeting that you had after we last met. Good morning. Yes. So on January 6th, we did meet with the residents of village place apartments. And then we ended our community kickoff meeting for their recent occasion. I do have the agenda. I can go through some of those points. I think we'll help clarify some of the questions that came up after about the last meeting. So at that meeting we did give all residents, they had a sign that they received the HUD notification. That they will not be displaced because of this renovation, that they have options during the renovation for. Staying in place, housing and all of that. So I think we'll be able to do that. We'll be able to do that notification along with stipend amounts. We went through the steps of the recent occasion. So our kickoff meeting was the first step. We had a building. Conditions and property conditions assessment on January 11th. We are currently rating the report back from them, which they went through the whole building. They went through 50% of the units. They. Look at all the boiler systems, the roof, everything complete. We hope to have an, any architectural designs and for the renovation for spring of 2022. Construction general contractor. We hope to have selected by fall of 2022. Financing deal negotiation we'll be working on throughout the year. And we hope to close on the loan, which is kind of the clearance to begin the construction by. The end of December of 2022 with construction starting. We'll be working on that. We'll be working on that. We'll be working on that. Early 2023. We estimate 18 months of construction. And the start date is to be determined at this time. To begin, we will focus our work on the units to reduce, reduce the need of us going in and out of units and having construction in and out of units. Some of the examples we gave to the residents is what we did at the end of the year. And we'll be working on that. We'll be working on that. New and improved outdoor common areas. Interior, flooring, trim, doors, lighting, paint, cabinetry, bath fixtures, plumbing. Remodeling tubs into showers, replacing for accommodations. Updating the HVAC system, baseboard heaters, water heaters. Updating the common area kitchen, and then the other thing we're looking at to do specifically for village place will be the parking lot capacity and coordinating with downtown development authority in the center for people with disabilities to improve parking at that location. Optimize use of the common areas. Redoing the commercial kitchen to make it more user-friendly for the residents. Expanding some of the laundry facilities on site. Adding a second floor common area of bathroom. Removing popcorn ceilings throughout the whole project. And we plan to coordinate this with the Kauffman busway project as well so that we're not interfering with their work and they wouldn't be interfering with ours. We went over temporary relocation. Some of the options that were posed to the residents, nothing has been decided yet and this will be for future meetings. The tenants could potentially stay in place depending on where we're at with COVID and construction work around them on a daily basis. They would need to leave their unit during the day but they would not have to be rehoused. They could be temporarily relocated to the hotel with a stipend which LHA pays the stipend. They could stay with family and still get a stipend if they chose not to go to the hotel. They could go on vacation and still get the stipend. Or they could transfer on property to an already renovated unit but they would not receive the stipend then. They would not receive the stipend. The hotel accommodations include the candle with sweets that we used before because of their accessible units, their kitchenettes and that they were pet friendly. The stipends were discussed at the IRS rate. The time of the Aspen Meadows relocation was about $50 per day for a typical unit relocation for a period of about three weeks with total payments to the residents of $1,150. The stipend does not count as income for the IRS for the year. The stipend is intended to cover the cost of additional food transportation that they might need while they are temporarily displaced. LHA does offer movers during this whole process that if they are doing a full move, we will pay for the movers to move them from one unit to another unit. We will pay for movers to help pack up their belongings if they are going to the hotel. We will pay for movers just to help coordinate and bring everything to the center of the room if they are going to stay in their unit. We went through all these options with them. We talked about if we do the elevator and when we do that accommodations would be provided for those residents who would need access outside of the building if the elevator was down for a week or two to be replaced. We let them know that we will be hiring a temporary relocation coordinator that will assist and meet with their needs, their wants and any items that they are concerned about and that will be their go-to person for the whole construction. They will have a point person to deal directly with and that person will deal with whoever needs to handle each situation. Support services will be provided both temporarily during relocation and throughout construction. We have resource specialists will help provide support, help with mail, grocery, prescription delivery, even at the hotel. They will help coordinate all of that. We discussed that they are going to have a lot of opportunities going forward to help give their input. The biggest thing we learned from Aspen Meadows is that the residents really wanted to have a little bit more input. We are already working on questionnaires of things that they want to see done. We set up a suggestion box already that they have been dropping in suggestions for items that they think the residents would like to see in their apartment homes, what they would like to see throughout the common spaces, things that they want to be more accessible or things that they think they don't need that they currently have that can be kind of maybe revamped and reutilized. And then we told them a lot of this is going to depend on where we are at with COVID. If we are still kind of in the same restriction, we are still having quite a bit of cases, we will probably go the hotel route. We are not going to be able to do that. We are not going to be able to do that. We are not going to be able to do that. We are not going to be able to do that. I don't know. Or that they could go stay with family. They could go on vacation. They would just need to be out of their unit during the time plan. But we are ready to pay for the hotel. We're ready to pay for the stipends. We're ready to do all of that. Any questions? Julie's got a question on the chat. Asking about. Will the popcorn ceiling material be tested for asbestos? What would that look like? I can't go into the remediation process, but that would be handled by the construction company. And everything, they'll do the testing. They did all that at Aspen Meadows. They tested the walls, everything. They do everything in accordance with. What's required to do the IRS through state and local laws, constructions, everything. Any other questions? Thank you, Lisa. That was great. I mean. I wouldn't mind moving there. Seems like you're taking everything into account. Before Lisa, it sort of concludes. I know there were specific questions about village place. For all of you. You might have some other questions for Lisa as the regional. Housing property manager for LHA. Relative to anything else that's going on. Lisa might be able to address. I might just take a few minutes and do that while she's here. And in person. And I can provide a little update. I know. Many of you knew we opened our waitlist for the housing choice voucher program last week. We received over 1,100 applications between 9 a.m. and 4 p.m. 150 people were selected to be on the waitlist to receive a voucher in the next year. And we will go through this process annually. Moving forward. I have one question about that. As I was informed yesterday. What happens with the vouchers is that if a person is selected and they go on the waiting list, if they do not end up with housing within a year, those vouchers go away. Is that correct? What it is, is once they've put on the waitlist, if they are selected for a voucher, they are brought in for a briefing. They have to bring in all their income documentation. They get qualified. And then they are given 60 days to find a place to move to, or they can stay where they're at if their landlord chooses to accept the voucher. If they do not find a place to live, or their landlord refuses the voucher after the 60 days, they can ask for an extension for another 30 days to look, or that voucher will be released into somebody else. Lisa, I think, Jeanine, correctly if I'm wrong, but I think Jeanine's question is that you are on, you are on the waitlist for a voucher for 12 months. And if you don't get called, your name goes off and you have to reapply for the waitlist. Is that right, Jeanine? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Yes. So annually we will redo and purge the waitlist and start over every January. Can you give me some idea of how often does that come up that people end up having to reapply for another voucher? And I know it's, it's hard to be specific, but I want to have some idea about how big are those waitlists and is there any moves towards finding, finding housing that is more willing to accept the voucher? Let's see. So for those accepting vouchers, if you have, I believe it's over 20 units in Colorado, you have to accept the voucher. You can't discriminate based on income and section eight is an income. So they can't be discriminated against that. Only private landlords, if they have a single family home, could say no. So what you're saying is that all facilities, all apartment complexes have to accept section eight vouchers. Correct. Because in Colorado, it is one of the fair housing ordinances that you can't be discriminated against for your source of income. How you're paying your rent. Does that include mobile home parks? I am not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not sure I should include mobile home parks. I am not sure on that answer, but I will find out and get back to you on that one. Thank you. And then to answer the question on the wait list, we did 150 because that is based on the trend of the last few years. That we believe we can accommodate everybody 1, all 150 in this next year. Okay. Housing Choice Voucher Program, but based on the trends of how many turnover vouchers we have every year, 150 was a good number. If we end up going through all 150 prior, we will announce on our website, we may open the wait list again in December or November once we get through all of that. That's very good news. As you can tell, housing, affordable housing is heavy on my mind right now. And LHA is currently looking for other sources of income for other types of vouchers. Besides the Housing Choice Voucher and the Project Based Voucher, we're trying to get into the VAC voucher, which is for veterans. And there's a few other programs out there we're trying to look into and try to see if we can get funding to add vouchers into our portfolio. And just to let everybody know that there's long-run housing and then there's also Boulder County. So it's not just one organization. It's actually three. There's actually a few more. There's MHT Mental Health Partners Issues vouchers, Boulder County Housing Partners, Boulder County Housing Authority and Longmont Housing Authority all have Boulder County. So the 150 vouchers are for all age groups, right? Correct. Right. Marsha, did you have a question? Yes. The people who have applied for vouchers in the past did not understand that they could go off the list until they got a voucher. And I'm not sure whether the policy was always like that, but I regularly hear from people who say, I've been on the list for nine years. What's going on? And so I have two questions. One is, has the policy changed, you know, that your application only lives for a year? And two, what have we done to make sure that there is plenty of public outreach so that people know that they need to reapply annually and they also need to know that if they get called, if they get contacted regarding their voucher, they need to respond because otherwise, it will be assumed that they're no longer interested and they'll get purged that way. Okay, so I'm gonna try to cover all that. I might miss something, so just refresh me. So there was no written policy prior in 2020 and all that. Early 2021, we took the current list that we had, which was about, I think, 800, 900 people and we sent out emails, mailed letters to the address they had on file and tried to contact them in three different ways. They had, once they were mailed the letter, they had 30 days to respond to that letter stating that they were still interested and to update their contact information. We even accepted some that came in up to six, we actually ended up waiting 60 days for the due date just to see if anything came in snail mail if they didn't bring it in personally, for them to update their information and we let them know that at the end of the year we would be starting fresh with a new list. And then this year on the applications, it did state that we will purge annually the list. And for us to make contact with these people who did get selected on our application this year, it asked for their phone number. If they had a home phone number, a cell phone number, email address and current mailing address along with any known case workers through any of the agencies that they may be working with so that we had multiple ways to reach out to them. Because we know we work with a lot of homeless, a lot of seniors. So if they work with somebody from the senior center that person is also listed on the application as a contact person. Okay, so that means you've got, they've got lots of ways to be contacted. Correct. But the, still what it comes down to is they should not fail to respond. They always have 30 days to do so. They may have as much as 60 days to do so, but never fail to respond if you still want. Correct. Lisa, Linda. Okay, go ahead. So those who were selected will also receive a letter outlining that they were selected for the wait list and then the next steps. So if they get selected, they'll also receive a phone call and a letter stating that they have 30 days to come in and scheduled to have a briefing with the Housing Choice Voucher Specialist to start the whole process. Right, and the wait list is for the voucher itself or for a property. It's for the voucher. Yeah, housing choice voucher. Right, so the steps are apply, get selected in the lottery, document yourself and enter the wait list. And the letter that they receive did it outline all the documentation they needed so because for a lot of people it's gonna, they're gonna have a lot of work to do to assemble their documentation. So the letter they'll receive will just say that they've been selected for the wait list and then if they're selected for a voucher, they'll get that letter and they will have a briefing with the voucher specialist who will go through all the documentation they need to bring. They will set a deadline to bring it all in along with sources of income, proof of citizenship and all of that. They have like a one-on-one meeting or a Zoom meeting with their case or voucher specialist to go through everything they need and their time frame. And if they are having difficulties, they can always submit a reasonable accommodation request to extend that another 30 days. Got it. All right. Didn't get it the first time through, but thank you. No problem. I have a question. Go ahead, Art. I was just gonna ask, I'm sure it is, but are these letters sent out in Spanish as well or do you know who the Spanish speakers are, et cetera, or other languages? We did do it even for the application process. We did English and Spanish and all correspondence depending on how they feel that their application will be in either language. Thank you. And since we are now under the city, we do have people who can translate if they need any other languages. Thank you. So, Lisa, Melinda is asking how many people of the 800 to 900 you tried to contact responded? So, from the once in 2020, we had about three to 400 respond back. And update their phone numbers, their addresses, all their contact. And I think we got about 150 to 200 vouchers out from those that responded back. Thank you. Oh, sorry. You know, I just wanted you to know, I'm sure you do already know that at least at the senior center, we have a call list and we call everybody personally. We try to make sure that they fill out their application for the lottery. We schedule them for help. And help them get those applications in. And then we also personally call them if they are selected for the golden ticket and help in whatever way we can. So they don't get left by the wayside. And I just wanted to add to the answer to arts question. For those individuals who struggle in whatever way of completing paperwork, Amy, Melissa, Melinda, Veronica, Jeanine, all were helping folks one-on-one to complete the application paperwork and make sure it got submitted correctly. So there is that one-on-one assistance for making sure. Language wise, but also technologically and literacy wise that people can can participate. Any other questions for Lisa? Thank you, Lisa. Looks like we're moving on to Ben and Jason. Jason, you want me to start or go for it. If you want to kick us off and I'll sprinkle some stuff in. All right. Hi, everybody. I'm Ben Wagner and I'm a supervisor in recreation. And we are just getting started. Thank you. Probably Michelle, did you bring that up or Jason? Somebody did. We are just getting started with a renewal. A relook at after seven years. It's supposed to be about every five years, but we all know what happened a couple of years ago of the recreation master plan. And Jason and I have been tasked in recreation to spearhead this program for the year. And we are just getting started. We're just getting started relooking at it ourselves. I was around when we did this, Jason was not, he was not, he was not, he was not, he was not, he was not, which I love having a new perspective from him and all the new folks that we have in, in recreation. This will be a thing that we go to a, an outside organization that consultant. To do a program of getting feedback from the public. But in this process, we've, we've talked with Michelle about. In this, the recreation side. We feel like we have always worked so well together with senior services with recreation type programs. And it really is a fit to have senior services more involved. And all of you got this. The master plan. So I encourage you to look through it at future meetings or looking for feedback from you guys based on where we go. Like I said, we're just getting this started now. It's something that we felt like was important to get out with you guys because your feedback and everybody that comes to in contact with senior services feedback is really important with the recreation side of things. And that on page eight, there is a one paragraph blurb, I'll call it a blurb explanation of the senior services group as there is for each of the other key services areas. That's not enough. So I think I went too far. There it is. That's not enough. And again, we feel like when you talk about in there and I can read it my either way, arts and craft, dance and music, computers, all those are also things that we do. And so to us, it's been a really good partnership and we work really well together. And so when we put this document out, sometime quite a bit later this year, we're going to wanna make sure we've got good feedback and that we address concerns from senior services. And not just concerns, but ideas. I mean, we wanna be able to support as many people in the communities we can. That's our goal, plain and simple. I mean, we wanna do as much as we can with what we're given in recreation. That is always where we're trying to go. So that's kind of my general overview. I didn't come prepared with a lot of info because we are at the very beginning of this. So go ahead with questions and I wanna let Jason talk to you, obviously, because I'm sure he's got- Grudens, you go first. Okay, so my question is for Michelle. And I know that I can't remember what meeting it was, but we talked about having senior exercise outside and there are many cities in the country who have this. And I'm wondering if this can be a recommendation or actually a recommendation for this plan here to start talking about that, funding for that. And it would also be, we had talked about it throughout the city, not just the west side, but it would go into the east side, north and south. I think Grudens, this is a great opportunity to do that on a community-wide scale. I think that one of the challenges, not challenges, opportunities that Ben and Jason and I will have is really talking about how do we make better use of all of our Longmont community in terms of health and wellness and better use. Recently, recreation became more involved in the management of Union Reservoir. We have our parks, we have, so I'm just saying from east to west, north to south, we have some beautiful outdoor spaces that we can certainly talk more about, how to use them better. And I think it's good for Jason and Ben to hear that from you and we can think about that outdoor spaces for sure. Right, the second question I have, I understand you're using a consultant and I'm wondering what the consultant's background is, have they been used before? And my third question is, are you using a consultant who will recommend different funding rather than being in the city, but perhaps a recreational district taxed? Or mill levy, I should say. So we do not have a consultant yet. We are at the very beginning, we are going to have to do an RFP request for proposal of consultants and it will be somebody that has experience in recreation. When we put together a document in 2015 and we believe we did a very good document at that point, we did use a consultant that was involved in recreation and that's absolutely where we want to go. And what was the second part of your question? I'm sorry. The second question is that will the city be looking, will there be a group looking, I should say, at a recreational mill levy to take recreational services away from the government of the city into a funded situation because right now the deterioration of the rec center, Centennial Pool and St. Verrain. I don't know, Jason, I see you at Centennial Pool often. I know that pool is literally about to fall over. And so having the funding sitting in the city is really not the answer because it's either flat or one to 2%. So I'm hoping when you look for a consultant that you look at a consultant that will look at different revenue streams for the recreation. And if the city wants to keep the money that they have spending on rec, I'm sure the public wouldn't mind if there was a separate revenue stream for it so that we could improve. The outdoor spaces are lovely. The indoor spaces are really deteriorating. So Ben and Jason, I think the question is, will the consultant also work on funding? Or is it just program and facility? Is it a funding consultant as well? Right now, I don't have that answer but I think it's a wonderful suggestion. Thank you. I think that's exactly the sort of ideas, suggestions we wanna hear to be able to bring up those topics both internally and certainly that topic has come up in the past and with a consultant. So I think that's a perfect example of what we'll be looking for, the type of ideas we'll be looking for. Jason, do you have anything to add to that? Yeah, yeah, I just wanna echo that. I thank you so much and it's always a pleasure to see you at Cincinnati and I invite anyone else to come out too. But yeah, thank you so much for that question. I just have such a unique perspective coming in new, really looking at the infrastructure of our current facilities is so important. I know it's important to myself and also Ben too but we are at a unique stage where we really need to focus on looking at those structures and accounting for what our community needs are and we're prepared to do that. And I'm so glad you brought up the funding sources because that is such an important aspect especially right now because during these COVID times people are being really careful with their money and they're being really diligent about their spending. So it's our job to make sure that we sell that story, we get out in the community, we get their feedback from different demographics and that's why we're here today and I'm so excited to be here with you all and just that opportunity to get feedback from the community about what their needs are that's gonna be so influential to Ben and I when we go to select somebody to help us through this process. And I will just add real quick that this document is geared toward programming. There is the facilities themselves are addressed more in the, it's park and recreation facilities but that doesn't mean this conversation can't happen in pertaining to what we're doing here. Absolutely, I think it's an excellent idea. And I will add that we agree entirely on the idea of outside. We certainly COVID pushed us outside and we are looking at opportunities. I am trying to convert our preschool on the side of this building into a covered area that we could do classes outside, for example where we would actually have some shade from sun in the summer. So that's, we agree entirely on that. That's something we're already working on and love to see more of and certainly will be a conversation for this. And Michelle mentioned union. I have a lot of responsibility out there now too with recreation, getting more involved at the union reservoir as far as the customer service, the contracts we serve out there. And then of course the wonderful beach and dog beach that we have there. I'm so excited to report out to you guys that there has been some amazing headway that's happened with increased partnerships with the reservoir out there that we are focusing on that because as you know, that's an area of focus especially during our COVID times to get people outside and recreate. And we have such amazing, beautiful places that we are seeing an uptick in people getting out and recreating and of course the new trail system that has been developed out there which has been phenomenal. So very exciting stuff that's happening. Well, just to let you know that I have toured the new Berthet rec center. So I do go to other rec centers to see what they're like. And that center is really quite beautiful. I don't know whether anybody has been there. They have a lovely pool area. Even though I don't like, I prefer the Lewisville because they have separate areas. You know, they're using the same they used a space planner. They didn't expand the building. But the Berthet one is really, really nice basketball. And one thing I noticed was their gym area, the machines are really separate from each other. I mean, it's, it's spread out. So just, you know, a little tour by maybe city council members to other rec centers to see how they did it and how much money they spent would be helpful. Thanks for answering the questions. I appreciate it, Ben and Jason. So I just want to add in a couple of things. So over the years prudence to that sort of tour possibility and Ben and I had a recent conversation about going and touring some facilities. And this advisory board has toured other senior centers over the years and more recent sort of recreation senior development has been in Thornton has the brand new trail RINs rec center and the brand new senior center. So I think as Ben and Jason and hopefully me and whoever replaces me move this forward some tours for the parks and rec board for staff for this for our senior board could be built in to this process Ben and Jason. I'm just throwing that out there. The other thing I think is Ben and Jason take the leadership and writing up the scope of services for the consultants. That might be a good point to come back and check in with the advisory boards both parks and rec and this board around that scope of service for the consultants that'd be a good check-in point. Ben and Jason I think is a possibility. And part of having been around so long I was actually when I was hired I was a recreation services employee back in 1981 when recreation managed senior services. And because of the growth of our supportive services our information referral our counseling staff et cetera and because right now senior services does not have the same very ambitious recreation revenue revenue expectations that Jason and Ben have. We separated from recreation but it's been an amicable divorce and we have worked over the years to make sure we're working together we're not duplicating right now. Carla Mathers who is a recreation employee actually sets up all the silver sneakers classes at the senior center as an example. So we work really well and close together. In 2015 you all and the staff here did not have a very robust role in the recreation master plan process. And I think what you're hearing from Ben and Jason and certainly from me is I think we need to be right there. And when we're asking we need to be finding out how old are the respondents? What do you want? And really addressing some of the things that you all have talked about over the years what my staff and certainly our colleagues in recreation have talked about. So it's a great opportunity and I hope you all will fully embrace this and jump on board with really finding out the recreation and leisure needs of our community and if they're appropriate to senior services and the senior center great. If there's some ways that we're going to influence what the next facilities look like or upgrades maintenance of current facilities let's keep talking about what we need to do. So, and I really appreciate Ben and Jason taking the lead on this. Sorry Susan, go ahead. Okay, so it sounds like the recreation department needs some friends just like the senior center has some friends. The other thing that struck me along it's just a different way of saying what Prudence is saying. The since your last report population has increased and probably much more of a percentage increase in seniors. So we're important. Thank you for listening to us. Venues need to be updated, improved or added on to whether it's outdoor, indoor. There's just not enough has been magnified by COVID and at times we're getting, also we need to reserve places or get cards because only so many can be accommodated and health is a big part of living. So let's encourage people to be a part of staying healthy and also I don't know if this would be a possibility but it just feels like seniors get things pulled from them before everybody else. So we've lost center health, integrative medicine. If there's a new facility, should there be rooms for those kinds of treatments possible and pools the Longmont United hospital pool pulled from seniors and your exercise machines. Okay, you have a lot in the rec center but there's more people that would use them and they're just kind of crammed into every nook and cranny. Can't hear you Prudence, but I'm sure you're agreeing. Yes, I don't use the machines, but when I go in there, I'm like, oh my God, like the person's sweat next to me is gonna fly on to me. And then you add a school vacation, you know, forget it, you can't get in. I couldn't have said it better. Yes, yes to all of those things. So we'll keep talking to you. If you want to keep talking to us. We want more. We're the type of recreation as a type of people. We want more. We want more for the community. That's the type of folks we are for sure at our heart. We agree entirely and thank you for Susan for that. And Susan, I do get a lot of calls about that pool closing and the warm water therapy and that has got to be something that we look at. I don't know if we can solve that problem, but it's something we got to look at. I do get calls about that. So thank you for bringing that up. Well, good. They're calling you, perfect. Well, and I think it's really back to the funding mechanism. We almost put a therapy pool on the west side of the senior center back in 2001 and they are extraordinarily expensive and more so than regular pools is what I remember. So it's about the money. It's about the money, it's about the money. They need friends, they need friends. They need to take it away from the city and just do a mill levy so they are independent. And they have an independent streaming of funds rather than relying on the council and the city manager to determine what the exercise needs are. So that's my two cents. You can make it a sense. Anything else for Jason and Ben? Yeah, I have one question. Sorry, 2015 plan did stress what I would call marketing, getting the word out that the facilities and the programs that recreation offers. Have you, do you think you have succeeded in that or was there any way of measuring the input into the community? That is a complicated question. Some of it complicated answer, unfortunately. The quick answer is no, I don't think we've been entirely successful. The longer answer is we have absolutely made efforts in marketing and we continue to grow. It has always been our belief. The city has changed their marketing philosophy entirely in the last year. And so we're starting to adapt to that. We are hoping it will be more flexible to our needs because it's always been our belief that we should have a marketing person in recreation when you have $4 million of revenue to bring in that that's worth having. And we're probably, you know, Jason can reflect this too, but we're probably the only city of our size that doesn't have a marketing person within recreation that we forgot about. But we are, I'll be politically correct and say, we are hopeful that the city design currently will allow us more flexibility in that. So did I answer your question a little? And Jason, do you have any? Yes, I'm afraid you did. Thank you. I understand the non-marketing issue. Thanks. Michelle? So I would just add to that that marketing for the last two years has been very challenging during COVID. So we were gaining some ground pre-COVID and then between the city's kind of shift and COVID, we're rebuilding. We are rebuilding our marketing efforts, but recreation and senior services have shared a marketing specialist for several years. The friends helped pay for our portion initially. And so it's a lot of work. And we, I think Ben said we need more and we need dedicated, that's probably true. And question to Ben and Jason. I think it'd be helpful when you all are with me or however this is gonna work, if you have a timeline of what this process will be to make sure we touch base back with the advisory board on that timeline and especially call out what their role will be in that process. So... Absolutely, Michelle. So I think that's just really important. We will hope to have a timeline as soon as we can. Right now there are some questions that need to be answered in the city that we are kind of waiting on. But yeah, timeline will be really important and we'll make sure that you guys have that immediately. And that'll be certainly a part of our next touch base too. Very good. Yeah, I'm all for marketing. However, if you're marketing spaces that are too small, cramped and in need of upgrades, I'm not really sure whether that strategy of marketing, I don't see the benefit of that unless you are able to really present something that meets the needs of not only long Montsignors now and in the future. And five years ago, probably your, the population was probably about 70, 75,000, I'm not sure. It's now 100,000, we're as big as Boulder. So we should have the amenities. And I also swim in Boulder. So I have been to their pools too. So... Prudence, I came from Boulder. It's sort of chicken and egg, isn't it? It is, it is. If you build it, they will come. Right. Jason. I was just saying, Prudence, I'm from Boulder. I came from Boulder. So I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Any other questions for us? I think you're free to go, Ben. Jason. Okay. First day. First day. Thank you very much. Thank you for having us. Any time to reach out to us. Jason and I are always happy to hear from anybody in the community at any time and love to hear great ideas. Thank you. We had a great day. We'll be back in touch. Great. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Michelle, we're up to your position update. Well, we can't say a whole lot because we're still in process, but. Ruth or Megan, do you want to say anything but not too much? Two wonderful candidates. Rose to the top with very different skills and abilities. And it's a tough choice. Yes. They're two candidates. They're very different and bring different skills. And I'm glad I don't have to make the decision between. So are they coming back for another interview? We have a way. Megan is in the process of managing the next step, which was a written exercise and she'll be sending. To Ruth and Sheila and Robin who were a part of the interview team. And Megan had told the candidates will be making a decision by probably Friday as I recall. So. But it's a, as Megan said yesterday, it's a classy decision to have. We had the only need one really good candidate and we had a couple that really felt right. So we're, we're excited. I know we had eight people apply this time. When we went through this process last summer, we had over 30 applicants. But even with just the fewer people who were interested, it was much easier to choose who was. Who's the right fit. And both Sheila and Ruth are right too. Out of the four that we interviewed are just head and shoulders. And I think that was a good one. I think that was a good one. I think they all worked great. So. Great. Thank you. I have a question. Yes. Has salary been discussed with them? So we don't lose them. It is posted as a part of the job announcement process. So they have that information. Okay. I'm not being paid that I want twice as much. So moving on to the slate of officers. Art, you weren't here last time. But I think we had a unanimous agreement that we would like you to stay on as vice president. If you are so inclined. You need to unmute yourself, but it looks like we have an affirmative head shape. Okay. Thank you. You bet. You do an outstanding job. And if I ever have needed. I feel comfortable giving you a call. Yeah, sure. I'd be glad to do that. All right. So do we have a motion to. Put art on as or keep art as vice president. All motion. I second. Prudence and Julie. Art. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Our officers. And we can move on. What say we have the 2021 annual report discussion. So I believe as Susan and I recalled, and I think what's in the minutes is we were just going to talk about things that folks had a chance to. Look over the minutes and what resonated for you is. Things you would like to make sure to include in the report from the beginning of the meeting. So I think we're going to take notes and you take notes and maybe we'll pull something together if that's okay. Yeah. Sheila and I have, I personally have not looked with them because I had other issues to take care of. And Sheila and I haven't gotten together. So if other members of the council have looked at the minutes. And have any. Recommendations will be glad to take them. Well, from memory. We had that one meeting. Where we talked about. Tossing or totally revamping the registration system. We said it's time. And we'd rather see it begin sooner than later. That's what I remember as. The most important or vibrant discussion that we had this year. Susan, can, can you clarify this is the. Online registration for many different city services. Yeah, but. Senior services is a big part of it. Yes, of course. And yeah, I agree. That was like a festering sore on the city's. Website. Yeah. Yeah. That was like two good candidate rose to the top. Well, this is a. Issue that rose to the top for me. Am I correct in remembering. That part of the issue has to do. With the particular system that we're using. And that in order to make that change. We have to look at the system that we're currently using. We have to look at the system that we're using. And that's. That wasn't. Just for registering for seniors that had to do. With the entire. Yeah. Registration and city council and. Museum rec center, all that. Right. And I wasn't sure. That, you know, what control we had over that process. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll put that in the minutes. So Marcia, maybe you can help a little bit with that because, you know, it's. It's significant. Yeah. They would not have to change out the system. What they would have to do is hide it. You know, what they, what they do now is, is you. You just essentially link into that systems. Native web services. And you have to create an account and it's one account for everything. And. The result of all of that is the, that you lose the ability to put. The, the end user use cases where they belong on the website, you know, instead you get funneled into this. Awful, ugly maelstrom of. Of how that system chose to expose itself on the web, which was a design afterthought. Right. And what, what they need to do is have. A, a, an app that allows you to access. Interposer software as a service. That allowed you to access. Each use case from the right spot on the front end. And hide all this interaction from the back end. And I've actually had some conversations. With the people not with the people who maintain it at this because they did not have the human resources or the funding to go back to the provider to get it implemented properly. So I don't think it's necessary that our recommendation needs to be replaced the system. The recommendation needs to be correct the user interface so that we can expose functionality for the senior services with the other senior services information on the website, and how they do that is their look out. But we just shouldn't take no for an answer. So it sounds like we want to make sure that annual plan annual report includes the conversation and the key points of the discussion on the registration system. Does anybody have anything else they want to make sure it's looked at Jeanine. Well, I was just going to say that what we need the focus is a we need a plan and be we need a deadline. You know, Are you talking about for that annual report or the registrations. No, the registration. No, no, no, the registration. I mean, it's one thing to say I'm concerned because this isn't working but we need a plan we need a deadline. We need you to do it and we need to know when we can expect that it'll be done. Whether that happens or not. I'm an optimist, you know, but at least to put it out there to make the statement. It's not going to happen if you don't ask right, Jeanine. Any other annual report highlights or we're going to leave it with Prudence and Sheila. The two other things that stood out for me were the conversation about the street crossings. Right. And then also the, the RFP for the, you know, for foot care and massage and all the other services that we don't have. We're going to be totally on Michelle's third stove in her basement back burner, but yes, you're absolutely right. So, I think we leave it with Sheila and Prudence to pull it together. Thank you. And then we have the goals for 2022. If we go to 2021, we don't have to take, we should remove the reopening plan. Because we're not reopening, we're monitoring health conditions and, you know, making adjustments as needed for what we're doing, whether it be virtual in person, whatever, but we're not going to reopen again 2022 we're going to stay open no matter what it takes. Yes, and what are going to be the, the mask guidelines given that that's going away on Thursday. It, you know, is, is that going to be that they go away for this, the senior center to our, are we going to hold on to the masks a little bit longer at the center. That's a great question. Jeanine, I, my understanding is that Boulder County has not declared yet when Larimer has said February 12. Adams and Denver and I think Douglas County said this week, some point this week tomorrow or Friday or whatever. I've heard anything from Boulder County or from the city with regard to Longmont. So maybe Marsha knows but at this point, we are continuing with the mask mandate at the senior center. Marsha, do you know anything different. Susan. Yes. I'm struggling trying to get the video on the get myself on muted here got a new computer I finally got it off on again. Can I go back to the to the annual report for just a second. Sure. One thing I'd like highlighted nine, I don't know how it was handled in previous reports, but I would really like to have the counseling program that you have highlighted. I'm really impressed with the counseling staff and the peer support and everything in the support services and how they use all those. Put all those support services together to help the to help the seniors through the counts the whole counseling process. And I would even consider, you know, more staff, you know, like was just said if you don't ask for it you don't get it. I think a start of that might be to, I think it's a very strong counseling program. And I really would really would like to see that emphasized with an eye towards maybe laying the foundation for maybe some more services in the future so whatever you can do there. Good. Thanks David. I don't know. The change in council scheduling has, I fear, disrupted the lines of communication between the staff and the council. So we're feeling a little mushroom me these days. But what I can say is that the official council set policy about these services is that we're following Bulber County health recommendations. And that's as much as I can say. So we're wearing masks and we're giving away free and 95s right now. They're very snug if you have a larger head like someone like me but Call that brain matter Michelle. So, for goals for 2022, can we can we jump back on that so I heard you say we look at 2021 we're going to cross off number one. Yeah, we can probably cross off number two as well. Yeah. What about number three. We didn't really do much. I can certainly ask Angel bond to come and do a report from mobility for all. She might be able to help with that. Is there something else you'd like to do relative to number three because we really didn't do much. We, yeah, probably an update from her is do. Do you want to keep it as a goal. More under tasks. So the age well plan process will kick back up here in the next several months. Do you want to keep that as a goal. My two senses I would certainly hope so. But, yeah, we should probably keep that. Do you want. So others jump in do you want the age well plan and do you want the rec master plan as a part of 2022. I would definitely like the rec master plan so that we're involved in that. I would like both. Yep. Okay, any dissenters. So, number five I actually have on the agenda later. This is a leftover from a few years ago. And I just want to revisit with this particular board that you still want to go forward with that so. I have it tentatively on the council work plan for this year we were asked to identify some items that would be going back to city council so that is an ordinance change. The board from seven members and an alternate to nine members so if that. That'd be great at least now or perhaps under new business a for you all to make that decision. And maybe a new motion, either to move it forward, or, or stop and stick with seven and an alternate that I would be helpful to have some direction from you all around I would like to have increased board member and no alternates because alternate is too confusing. And it would, it would support quorum on days when not everyone is able to attend. And being an alternate at one point in time it was one it wasn't helpful for me and it was confusing at times, especially with the current, you know, rules and regulations that include voting and things like that. So, I'd like to get rid of alternates and add one or two members. I agree. Make it nine. All right. So, Marsha motion Susan, are you seconding. Yes, I am. Okay, then. You want to call the vote. Okay, so I'll keep that on the goals, the rec master plan stays. And then I'm just curious, based on today's conversation around marketing. Is that a conversation you all would like to have with Erica around marketing senior services. Do you do you input into that. I don't think we're reaching everybody that we should be reaching that could be helped by the services that we offer by the events and the lectures. I agree. I feel like out there talking to the world and, you know, I got Ruth to join us I got somebody new on the lunch wagon yesterday but I don't think people are really tuned into all that's available to them. Okay, so, so we would add that as a goal for this year. I think so yeah. Okay. Are there others. I also like to have a conversation around, you know, potentially renaming the senior center. I know being on the younger end of this group that there are people who are my age that are even a little just a little bit older than me that are, you know, constantly say things to me like, Oh, I would never go to the senior center and I'm like, why don't you not go to the senior center there's so many great things there right. I feel like the senior center is very geared towards, you know, the older end of the community. And I think that's a disservice to the younger end of the community and so I'd like to see, you know, potentially conversation around renaming it. I think there's a conversation around marketing to, you know, those of us who are stepping into that senior heading, you know. So those are just my, my thoughts for maybe the next year. And this also means a lot more evening programming, because these people are working. Correct. Right. So could that be folded into marketing that the marketing person would. Absolutely. Yeah, whatever that process is. However, I like it to be inclusive. That it in in braces. I mean, older adults doesn't particularly get it for me, but I think that in looking at that I'd like it to be an inclusive term. Any other goals. We'll start with that I'll write them up in the agenda and you can review them for March if that works for you. Michelle I have one other and that is, I would like to see and perhaps this is a part of the marketing. I would like to push towards encouraging how can I contribute to this aspect of my community. I think that would fit into that marketing conversation really well Janine. Thanks. Got enough on goals. I think so. Moving on to coffee with the council March 26. Are we talking to senior center if we're doing it in person or do we know how we're doing it. So at this point, there is my understanding council is planning on having coffee with council in person on March 26. I've been asked to host the at the senior center so does that work for you all and is there anybody who'd like to be Susan, Janine and Julie. Okay. All right so we're on for March 26 that 9am. And then you have confirmed posting at the library but I thought they said no. So Sheila Conroy thank you to Sheila she did a little bit of snooping or what do you want to call it Sheila. There are some board minute board agendas posted at the library so I called and I said can we come back and they said yes. So great to go Sheila. And if you all want to have your agendas and minutes posted, then you need to make a motion and do that officially and then I will start sending them to the library. So I motion that we post at the library. Sheila seconds. Any other old business. Just a little quick. Michelle the position update. It's been a couple months of course for me but had two positions open. Did you feel the other one. No, the custodian is not filled and we will be getting ready to post the second counseling position, probably in the next month, we had a couple internal organizational hiccups so we will be able to remain unfilled at this point. Okay. Yep. Let you know that again on that position I held for the last time I'd be happy to help again if you need fabulous thanks art. So we did revisit the ordinance change request. And that puts us down to the March or April resource fair in Lenion Park. A few of us were in Lenion Park last fall and there is a group of city staff and some community members who are looking at another resource fair in Lenion Park in March or April. Historically, the advisory board has had one or two members who wanted to participate. I don't have a date. I realized that. And is there an interest for me to come back as soon as I have a date to see if there are any board members who'd like to participate in that resource fair. Yes. Yes. Yep. And do we have any other new business. Looks like we're going to reports then. Okay, so a couple of things. With the direction from city council and Marsha maybe was going to speak to this. The city clerk is looking at some different and increased involvement with from the advisory boards in the recruitment interview selection process of new board members so they are working on that and we'll have some further information coming. So I just wanted to let you know that we don't currently have a an opening in June, which is the next recruitment interview selection timing. But it is something that that council has directed the clerk staff to move forward with so it is coming. Marsha I don't know if you want to add anything to that. Thank you. You all have obviously been through the current selection process, and being, you know, to, to a person very accomplished and and erudite who have a lot to offer to the community. Being picked on the basis of a minute interview is a little bit insulting. So, the alternative that's been proposed is the cat is to have the boards themselves or or institutions that they represent themselves go a lot further in the selection process and just recruiting and send them forward either their pick, or maybe their top two picks, and let the council, you know, do a more thorough vetting of the individuals who are already more thoroughly vetted. And then that way we can ensure that there is a good fit. And that it's respectful of the candidates. So, that's the deal. It's great that the senior advisory board now has a two cycles to prepare to change the process. It should be an improvement. This board has blessedly already ended up really functional and you guys get a lot done and bring a lot of information forward. You know, do things on the outside as homework for the board, everything a board is supposed to do, but a number of the other boards are either completely dysfunctional or else have been hijacked by special interests. And, you know, it was just, I believe this would be a big improvement in the process. Okay, thank you Marsha I appreciate that extra and better information so it's coming and stay stay tuned right that's that'll be that'll be the ticket. In March. Francie Jaffe from our sustainability city team would like to come and get some feedback from you all on some needs and priorities and David if I'm stealing your report I apologize but she'd like to come in March and she'd like to come in May. And if anybody objects, please let me know. I had given some of this information to Susan. So she could look at the agenda and and so at this point we're kind of moving forward with that but if you have an objection please let us know. If you want something ahead of time so you know what you're responding to or anything that would make that feedback process better. Please let me know, or let David know. Also, I have scheduled for the supportive services team. They are able to come in March and give you that report on their statistics and some of the things that have been unfolding for them. So that was something we talked about in January and I have that scheduled for March should that come up. We are looking at putting a coffee nook in the lobby of the senior center it'll have coffee from eight to noon. And the staff are kind of running with that, and that is really primarily I would say an opportunity to address some of the isolation issues that we've seen where people just want to come and be with other people. They really have a purpose, like to go to a class or go have lunch they just maybe need to get out of their house and just be where there is some things going on in a safe environment so we're going to try a coffee nook and see how that goes. We had some feedback from a visitor to the advisory board we had another person who made a point of an appointment with me. It's interesting to watch that unfold. So that's pulling together and Eric and Brandy and Robin are working on that. I'd like to come back in March and get some input on 2023 budget ideas. So, if you all can be thinking about that. I think I've got some really good ideas of my own but I'm really interested in what you're thinking. And then we had the annual meeting for the friends, there was a lot of material handed out, but I don't think all of you were there. And so before I overload your email boxes. For those of you who weren't able to attend I thought I would send the year and accomplishments and the budget in the board list, which you did get. But is there, is that something you're interested in or you wanted the whole packet with all of the finance stuff and whatnot. I'd be interested in some discussion about that. Personally would not be interested in the full packet or that you know with the finance stuff, but I think those other things that you know those few things that you mentioned would be of interest for me. Yeah, I agree with art. I'm on the same page for myself personally since unfortunately I wasn't able to make it to the meeting. You know, and personally I'm able to read maybe five pages apps. Anything after that is, is not helpful for me. That's not too much of my mind the whole report, particularly the finance. So, as, as you have that discussion about renaming the senior center, you want to make sure you have the friends on board because they're their assets now are over two and a half million dollars you don't want to lose them as friends. So, so that's, that's really important. Okay. I think that's all for me. Right now. I'm probably forgetting something that those were the things I'd written down. Thank you Michelle Marsha. It's your turn. You're muted. Yes, I am. That's I couldn't see that I was muted because I was looking at next week's city council agenda. And pretty interesting reports under general business that I think people in in this group and, and actually seniors in general should will be interested in being be encouraged to watch. First of all, there are, there are three, three updates on energy, beneficial electrification distributed energy resources, and building energy benchmarking, all of which are extremely interesting to people aging in place. Because many people who are are going to need assistance during upgrading their their next, the next time they need to upgrade an appliance in order to meet city code they could find themselves needing assistance, especially if they want to get the benefits of eliminating natural gas. And there's, there's a huge body of, of evidence coming out that saying that natural gas as a as a domestic fuel is a real health hazard, especially to vulnerable populations such as seniors and children. So, you know, that's a double hit, right because many, many seniors are also caregivers for their grandchildren during the day. So I think it's just a real good opportunity to become informed about what's going on with city code changes. Similarly, there's going to be at last a readout on the Lanyon Park initiative in terms of homeless outreach and being done to. I guess you would say eliminate the frictions between street people and the residents of the neighborhood. And that's also, you know, it's an older neighborhood that that park is in and people aging in place have a stake in that, especially since one of the effects of the, of the outreach has been to drive people from a park based encampment to an alley based encampment so residents are actually seeing more of the people. And so I just, I'd like to put that out. I wish we'd known earlier, one of the things that I'm working on is to try to get, you know, a quarter long foreshadowing of things that are going to be coming before City Council, so that people can plan to take a part plan to watch, etc. Like, for example, this could have been in the go right. But it's not. And, you know, so so that's, that's I think what we have to say, we need to get. We need to get more possible for the public to engage with the City Council, especially while we're virtual, and I don't know how long that's going to last, you know, I think, at the end of this quarter will probably be making another decision. So I think everyone will take note of those. You know, the homeless outreach and the electrification plans and code changes are both I think highly impactful to the population this board serves. Any questions for me. I have a question. Sure. Actually, I know this may not be for you Marsha, but Michelle I remember. And Janine was involved in the conversation to about making the senior center a test a demonstration site for convection or slash electric stoves and I was wondering whether that could be a goal. I think it could be 2022. I hope so. The, the situations I'm on the beneficial electrification committee where the committee is right now is. It's going to be in the next two weeks. And it is on the future agenda that we fund a test kitchen, but not been a decision made about where such a test kitchen could go. So that's an action item for me. And maybe prudence while you're writing the minutes maybe you can send me a reminder note. Because what the fair thing to do would probably be to have an application process. So that the senior center could say, Well, here's the here's what our place would be like and here are the people. And here's how you'd rented and all of that stuff. And, but yeah, I think that would be a wonderful idea to put it in the senior center. The other thing on this subject, because you're, you're on this task force about electrification. Are they also talking about. I don't know whether they're talking about new construction or construction, my house your house or whatever. Depending on what they're talking about, will there be financial support for citizens or residents I should say, hey, we need it. Yes, the short answer is yes. We have in our possession a big body of data that, you know that basically says, if you want people to comply with the electrification transition, then roughly a third of the population is going to need some level of subsidy, right on down to we buy you the new device. And one of the things that is a firm recommendation of the committee already is that the city hire a team of electricians to go out and upgrade older homes. Not, not inside, necessarily, but to upgrade breaker boxes to 200 amps, which is what's required, and which is, you know, it many many of our older homes have inadequate electric service and it's roughly, it's roughly $3,000 to get that done. So that at least, I think will be a huge for many people. And so the talking about older homes as well as new construction is that correct. Yes, yes, I'm sorry, I thought I caught that. Yeah, the there's, there are, there are tiered levels of compliance for old and new construction. Right, so the, the first thing that will happen is that will set a bunch of requirements about readiness for electrification in new homes. And that may include some some at least disincentive if not ban for adding natural gas lines to new dwellings or to new single family dwellings or you know some very like that. And then, and some of those are already adopted, you know, like solar readiness is already adopted, which means a house has to have conduit up to the roof so you could put solar panels there without telling things apart. And then, as things as as time goes on, and things change and more people believe in the urgency of matters, then, you know, permit anything any change to a home that requires a permit will have have code attached to it. So you can buy a new gas water heater but it's going to cost you. Whereas if you buy a heat pump water heater or even a resistive electric water heater it won't you know it it'll be much less expensive to do that. Okay, Jeanine. Yeah, what one of personally one of my concerns, looking at the need to replace my age back system is that that I have gas heat and to move to electric. There's going, you know, in my home is is like 18 years old. So when you say older homes, it's any home really that currently is going to have to replace the system. You're right to replace an age back system from gas to electric is going to require permits which are several hundred dollars, plus the difference in the unit cost, as well as, you know, changing and putting in new electrical circuits in my house so all of this is is a significant expense for anybody on a fixed income. And the truth is that you've got to make the decision when you need to make that change which for me is, I'm holding my breath going to be a year, maybe two. So how quickly is all of this going to happen Marsha, and you know you don't want to go into a system and find out five years from now well, you're going to have to convert again. Yeah, you know, do you do you do it now, or do you risk it and you know, that's my biggest concern. Right, and I'm exactly where you are Janine in that I have a ducted gas heating system, and it's at end of life I'm hoping it lasts the winter, and I'm planning to install a ducted heat pump in the spring. The recommendation is for displacement replacement. So, you know your keep your limping along gas furnace as backup for really really really cold days, when maybe the pump would be really expensive. So, if your gas furnace is not likely to die, the death, you know it's just, it'll live a lot longer if you only use a little bit on the coolest parts of the year. So, what we're doing is putting together contractors that are well trained to make good recommendations because I guarantee you'll get bad advice if you just pick up the phone. We're in a transition. So we're planning this the short answer is we're planning for all of that, and the recommendations from the committee or do this summer. So, you're close to the edge, but but the hope is, of course, get many people on the bandwagon as possible, including with assistance, because if you replace your gas furnace with another gas furnace it's 15 years. Right. Again, and this is the United States we really don't much mandate that people pull out major appliances. Policy reasons. That would be a very heavy lift and generally just wrong, you know. The best idea is to is to get everybody help everybody replace with with looking technology when it's time for the replacement anyway. Another big concern is the utility charges are going up. And what's going to happen when, when it's all electric and, you know, are we going to be able to afford our utility bills that have gone up 30% in the last year. So, these are all questions that people are going to have to have answers to before they make those major decisions. Yeah, and there are now analysis services available. If, for example, if your utility bill has gone up 30% or if your electric bill has gone up 30% it probably means you're using more electricity than you ought to be, because, and which means you probably leaky house. What we did was we made the bills like progressive income taxes. So if you're using a lot you pay a higher rate for the high increment part of what you use than people who only a little like my electric bill went up $2. So. Yeah, and prudence that I think is next. I mean I have to agree with you about the electric because I know the state of Maine. Don't have everybody go electric and there was an outcry about what will be this course to the individual idea, not saying I agree with the idea. However, it's like buying a car but you don't know what it's going to force you at the end. And the other thing is that, you know, we're talking about low in subsidizing people below a certain income level. Well I have to tell you that those of us in the middle. Julie is shaking her head, yes. Also need income support, because I think that, you know, most likely were the homeowners. Mm hmm. Yeah, and live in a HOA you're probably not going to get a heat pump. Right. I mean, who you know we're left out of composting already so we got to get included in here somehow. Well actually that's another that's another thing I'm pushing I just made appointments at the state legislature for curtailing the ability of ways to interfere with mandated necessary activities. But why, Ruth, in particular, do you think that your HOA could prevent you from getting a heat pump? Well, it all depends on space for installation, doesn't it? Well, if you've got room to install an external air conditioner, a conventional air conditioner, the heat pump is about the same size. So, yeah, that's okay. He pumps are not giant. The other thing that the other thing that you can do, especially if you're using it mainly for air conditioning is install mini splits which are inside the house and the HOA can't really can't really control what you do inside your house. So, yeah, I don't think you're going to have heat. It's rare but in this particular instance I don't think HOA is going to be an interference. Any more questions? My question is, are you still in the planning stages of all this? Because there are certain meters that are already going to be installed that have been approved already, am I correct? Once they're going to be at the home? Right, so the upgrades to the smart meters is a done deal. It hasn't been presented at the council yet, but the announcement is out there, the information is available, and yes, this year there will be 500 homes that get them for a test and then the big rollout will be in 2023. That's not tied to beneficial electrification in any particular way. What it does is make sure that the electric utility has enough information that when people start electrifying on a large scale we can make sure that the local grid supports it. And how are you going to select those homes? Do you know yet? They picked a region and there's a map available and so if, maybe on the reminder note that you're going to send me prudence, would you put that on as well? Get the pilot area map out. It's right on one edge of Southmore Park is included, although mostly it's west of Southmore Park. And that's for the electrical pumps? No, that's for the electrical pumps. But can you repeat that because you're breaking up? Oh, I'm sorry. That's for the electric meters, the new communicating meters. Yeah. Pardon me? Well, I would consider them old because I had them in California for like 10, 12 years. Actually, these are next generation ones. You know, the old ones read your consumption and reported outages and didn't do a whole lot more than that. The new ones instrument the grid. So they really are, they're measuring the health of the distribution grid. It's outage prevention rather than, you know, outage reporting. This is where the high usage is and all these things that you don't directly see, but it's going to support our electrification effort, our grid upgrade effort, and keep things reliable during this really disruptive transition that's about to happen to us. So these smart meters, you'd say they'll only be 500 for the year for 2022? For 2022 because they've got to install them in the first quarter and then monitor how they're performing and make sure that we don't have any bugs in the system before they roll it out citywide. And when they do, is there going to be an additional cost? No, it's, there's no cost if you accept the meter. Okay, so some people don't like them and there's an opt out option, sorry. There's the ability to opt out of having a smart meter. And if you choose that, then it costs you. Okay. Okay, but yeah, this is just an equipment upgrade, you know, you don't, those are planned and paid for by the electric rates that you, you know, from your electric bank. And so there's no charge for the smart meter, but there's a charge if you want something different than the smart meter. And again with the breaker boxes, et cetera, those are still in the planning stages. And those are still in the planning stages, although again, we recognize the urgency of it. Okay, we have about a seven minute countdown until noon. Prudence is going to be signing off. Can we get in the report from Janine at least before we. Mine will be very quick and precise. We basically spend a good bit of time talking about the fire support and money that had been donated and how that was being distributed through Boulder County. There was an update on via. And, you know, it's a report that they've made over 1000 trips in 2021 for vaccine delivery of food. And are we're assisting with disaster relief. And they plan to expand to the Kono and Frederick, they're working at getting people that live in Larimer County into Boulder County for services. They're helping to move people that were that were affected by the fires and by evacuation and we're coordinating with other ride services. They're planning to move to electric and hydrogen vehicles. And are looking to service more people in the rural areas. There was also a report from Cultivate and they're doing home deliveries for groceries, repairs, snow removal, transport for veterans, even in the mountainous areas. Also, there was a report on Senate Senate bill 290, which Boulder County has applied for monies. And we're waiting to hear from that. And let me see. And I'm trying to be quick. Now is requesting an adult passage passenger van. Longmont wheels are requesting improvements in their software and the institution of a salad bar. And City of Longmont is looking to increase dog parks, pickleball facilities, I don't know what you call them courts, I guess, and looking to increase or to the Netherlands health clinic. So, that was, I had to leave a little bit early for another appointment, but that was their update. We also will be meeting on Friday world we always meet a couple days after this meeting so I'm always a month behind. And did they mention personal care dollars as one of that Senate bill 290 requests from Longmont, because that was. Let me look to see. You know I didn't write it down Michelle it's not that they might not have mentioned it but I didn't write it down. And also, we're looking at funds to make sure that everything is fine. All right, we've got people leaving so I make a motion that we adjourn this meeting. And if there are tidbits from the other committees we can incorporate them next month. Motion. And from art a second looks like from Prudence so thank you everybody for being here. Take care. Thank you.