 Hello everyone. Thank you for joining us. Today we are running our second webinar on reflections on MEC. I am Anna Krasa, education advisor at the MEC coordinator here at Moodle HQ. And with me I have Kim Salinas, Daniel Star, MEC facilitators from Moodle US, and Kim and Dan will share with us a little bit from their own perspectives as MEC facilitators and will it reduce later to four of their candidates who are the guest stars of this event. Candidates are going to share their own experience and tell us what impact MEC made in their lives. These sessions will be more like round tables, so you will have the chance to pose your questions to and discuss with our guests. Just before we get there, let me give you a quick introduction about what MEC is and what is not. The Moodle Educator Certificate is an international certificate for teaching with Moodle and it is offered exclusively by authorized Moodle certified service providers. Be careful. The MEC is not a basic Moodle training. No. It's not even an advanced Moodle training. In fact, it's not a training at all. So what is it is a certification process focused on meeting learners needs with Moodle and it requires that candidates have at least one year of real life experience in teaching with Moodle. This certification consists of six courses, be careful not training courses but six certification courses that lead to six badges and once someone has all these badges is eligible to get the MEC certificate. But you might wonder why six courses? And the answer is very simple. We have six courses and six badges because the MEC is based on the European framework for the digital competence of educators. Perhaps you know it as DigiCompeteDo. This framework organizes educators' professional and pedagogical competencies as well learners' competencies into six areas. These are the professional engagement, the teaching and learning area, the digital resources, the assessment, the empowering learners, and the facilitating learners' digital competence area. Overall this framework contains 22 competencies organized in six different areas. And if we take a closer look, we can see for example that in the teaching and learning area that we have about, we talk about collaborative learning, self-regulated learning, teaching, and guidance. So the question when it comes to MEC is how do we apply this in Moodle? And this is what candidates need to answer through this certification process. As mentioned before, the MEC is offered exclusively by Moodle certified service providers. So when you join a provider to take the MEC, you will be registered in the MEC site. And then you will be allocated to the MEC program as shown here. Not that all the MEC courses have the same structure. So let's take a closer look at one of them. Let's see the teaching and learning course. On top is the welcome section with the announcements for how and how this course works book that summarizes all the basic information about the course. Then second section is the what you already know. And here we have a self-assessment checking. This is a quiz based on the selfie for teachers. This is a well-known self-assessment tool for teachers, especially around Europe. This quiz has been designed for teachers so they can evaluate where they are, where they are standing at on specific competencies. The third section is the teaching and learning overview. Here we have mainly books and quizzes. The books explain the competence and contextualize it within Moodle. It's not about how Moodle works and how can we set up activity or resource. This just explains which tools can be used to achieve this competence. So the books and the books are always accompanied with a quiz to help candidates confirm their understanding. The number of the books and their quizzes depend on the number of the competencies existing in each area. In MEC courses we may have three, four or five pairs of books and quizzes. In the specific course we are looking at in teaching and learning, we have a quiz, a book and a quiz for teaching, for guidance, for collaborative learning, and for self-regulated learning. The next section is called Your Assessed Tasks and it's the place where the actual assessment is happening. Here we have two assignments and candidates need to write and submit both of them. Now each of the assignments must have between 500 to 800 words and candidates need to answer specific questions and offer solutions in real life problems based, of course, on their experiences. Candidates can also include screenshots or from courses that they have offered and they can also include links to courses that they run, of course, giving facilitators permissions to access. And they have the right to submit twice after the first grading and feedback. And the past grade is set at B2 level. Although what is B2? Well, assignments are evaluated with rubric like the one we see here. So vertically there are the competencies and horizontally you can see the levels that vary from A to B1 to C1 and C2. If you are familiar with the common European framework of reference for languages, you will recognize this ABC scale of basic independent and proficient user. At A1 we have users who can interact in a simple way and at C2 we have users who can talk fluently and precisely and these are usually interpreters and translators. The same levels are also used in the digital overdue. That's why we have adopted them in the MEC as well. This means that if you are standing at levels A1 or A2, then it's too soon for you to think about the MEC. You still need some experience. You might even need some training. If you are standing at level B1 then perhaps you are a good candidate and you can start the MEC as it would mean that you are a regular user, but perhaps you haven't considered those competencies in detail. Now if you are standing at level B2 then you have certainly a pass for MEC and you would be an expert. If you are standing at level C1 it means that you are already a leader and if you are at C2 then you are an innovator, a top trainer. Last but not least, before I leave the floor to our guests, I would like to inform you that MEC is already offered in seven different languages. It's fully translated in Spanish, French, Portuguese, Chinese, Japanese and Arabic and there are more translations to come such as Catalan and German. And it is very easy to take MEC in any of these languages because all you have to do as soon as you look into the system is to change the system language from the drop-down menu on top of the page. You change the system language and this action will result to the change of languages both of the system and the content. And that's all for me for now. So I'm leaving the floor to our facilitators and their lovely guests Kirk, Ramon, Diane and Tim. And Dan, Kim, the floor is all yours. Okay so thank you for that Anna. And I just want to share a little bit about Moodle US. Moodle US is a subsidiary of Moodle HQ. Moodle US was created by merging three respected US Moodle partners that's Munami, e-learning experts and my learning consultants. We are a service based oriented company that listens to our clients to help them create solutions for their training environment. We provide hosting, learning design, custom development, training, and of course we offer the MEC in English. My name's Kim Salinas as Anna said. I am one of the MEC facilitators here at Moodle US. Just a quick little reflection from me as a facilitator. The MEC really gave me confidence in my Moodle abilities, as well as my teaching strategies changed like I found myself reaching out to create more engaging materials for my learners personalized learning experiences for them. And they have loved it and I've never looked back. Also earning the MEC I was able to become a facilitator so it's changed my career path a little bit so that's a little bit about my reflection. And I think we got Dan next. My name is Dan Starr. My career was as a school superintendent and I learned Moodle when I was asked to teach in a master's in a doctoral program. So the to say that I've learned from people like Ramon and Tim is not an understatement. I've learned a lot from them and appreciate that that learning of that knowledge, but it also helps facilitate because they set the bar high for people who have come after them. So, that's where I'm at. Let's take a quick look at who our guests are. We have Kirk, Kirk would you like to share a word. I'm honored to be here. First of all, it's nice to be in a group like this I really appreciate the opportunity so welcome from Atlanta, nice and chilly here. And look forward to hearing from other folks. Hello everybody, Ramon via here I live in Virginia Beach, Virginia. I'm humbled and honored to be here to share my experience with you. This screen says I am an instructional designer for consulting firm. We both work commercial and government markets here in the in the United States and abroad. But my background is actually I was an instructor for 23 years in in the military. So, like I said humbled and honored to be here with all of you and looking forward to sharing my experience with you. Hi everyone. I'm Diane Knudsen and I'm also very honored to be part of your group today. I'm an instructional system specialist for the US Fish and Wildlife Service which is a federal government agency, and I look forward to talking with all of you and learning from you. Thanks. I'm Dr. Carvel and again it's a pleasure to be with you all this morning I started working with Moodle about 15 years ago as a university professor. And for the last decade have been serving with the Presbyterian Church at the national level, where I provide support to those who are preparing for ministry and we've been using Moodle as part of our professional certification program for about 10 years now. Thank you so much for the quick introduction and actually I'm going to stop here now and we start with the questions. The floor is to over to our beloved facilitators and dear guests. Well, I'd like to first ask thank you all for being here, number one so we really appreciate your representation as our MEC candidate so in our successful ones at that so we have all learned from you and we're anxious to hear what you feel about the MEC so and if you could share a little bit about what was challenging for you within the content like the quizzes, the assigned tasks, what challenges did you have going through, if any. Well, the assessments want to start there. Assessments are intrinsically linked to the content. So I was relieved that that it's always nice to have something to refer back to. I do a lot of work in Atlanta public schools, our Moodle is not geared toward the K12 population it's all human resources. It's for about 4000. But they are education oriented. So they always appreciate when the instruction. That's not actually what pertaining to the the assessments what I really liked about them is that they are real world scenarios based on something that people are actually going to do and how you're actually going to use Moodle so it's not a this is the right answer. Of course there's a right and wrong answer but all of the answers for example on the assessments are valid answers they're no dummy answers. It's just you have to find the answer that sort of directs your response in the right direction, depending on the scenario. So I do a lot of scenario based training here. And HR with Atlanta public school so that was refreshing and nice to see the sort of designing things that are contemporary and in line with bill learning so the MEC is definitely line with the old learning. It's real world scenario. That's how I benefited both learning and you know use the MEC is a model for how I might structure some learning. And again, this is Ramon so just to echo what Kirk said just highly highly recommend the the MEC. You know when we talk about the quizzes in the assessment my experience was as an instructional designer who isn't necessarily on the platform, you know all the time or currently how do I design training how do I think about it. I was thinking about training and delivering a value based education to our learners. So, you know the quizzes in the essays, I think the most challenging thing was the unexpected, but once I opened that first one and submitted and started collaborating with my facilitator Dan. I felt very very, I felt free to explore and to think about thinking about ways to expand Moodle and utilize its various resources to better instruction. And for my comment I would point to the, the criteria again if folks can kind of remember that slide of what you know what the higher levels are the C1 and C2 levels which really are about helping others to understand what you've learned along the way. And I think that kind of reorientation to thinking about how I can help my colleagues who are also using and developing content for this platform to think about these issues and to how I would share my experience with them is really important. Part of that I think is also going back to pedagogical technique from my years in the university, you know one of the best ways to learn something is to teach it to somebody else. And so I think that one of the things that the MEC really helps you to do is to consolidate your own sense of your learning of what you've learned by calling on you through these case study scenarios to teach and to share what you what you've done thinking about it in terms of the competencies with other people. I'd like to echo on what everyone has said. I really appreciated that you had scenario based learning in it. I teach conservation adult conservation professionals. And so what I found was that some of the scenarios provided were things that I had not necessarily encountered before, because it just teach adults, but it gave me the opportunity to explore and, and really think about how I would apply them to myself and also to how I would teach others to apply them. So I very much appreciated that and I really enjoyed the whole experience. Can I make an additional comment concerning the essay specifically. And in that I was really concerned about writing essay, you know writing the essays but I really appreciated the essay because it forced me to articulate how I would apply at the steps I would take in and expand that thinking by just doing like a multiple guest kind of thing to check to check competency. I actually had to articulate my thoughts in an essay. So I really really appreciated that. I would like to say amen to that too because that I think that's a critical component of of the whole MEC, you know maybe writing five or 600 words or 800 words seems a little bit daunting but after that first one, you got to get that first one under your belt, work with your facilitator you got to tweak that one and then it gets a little easier in terms of just the structure of what you're doing but just amen on that you. Think about what you're doing better you're going to be about it, and you can analyze, you look at your writing and go what did I write that makes sense that that makes sense to someone else. So just writing as an analysis of self analysis really helps you, you know, look at what you're putting out to other people. So Kirk, while we have you right here. Did you find the content beneficial, like the resources and things like that was that beneficial to what you're doing. Yeah, absolutely for two things. The interface was very simple. You don't have a lot of things to press, not a baubles and all that kind of stuff. Just a very simple interface that allows you to concentrate on the content. Contents displayed in a book, a couple of graphics. So the minimalism, I thought was refreshing to me because you're on the web all the time. You see all this content flying around, but MEC is really straightforward couple of images and a lot of time. A lot of emphasis on processing the reading, read it process it and think so that's what I appreciated about the content. I guess we'll kind of go in a little bit of an order here. So yeah, Kirk is absolutely right I thought, you know, and this is with all the Moodle courses that are out there. I mean, a snapshot of what you need not a whole lot of blah blah blah. You know, here's here's the content here's what you need here's the essence the heart and soul of the activity, or whatever we're talking about. I really like the design of the course that it was linear, you know I could checklist, you know things off as I was going so I was tracking my own progress which is some things you learn as you get started on Moodle about monitoring your progress. And then all the all the elements in there really really were targeted towards those competencies that were in the previous slides of this presentation. I found that the content, very, very helpful. I think like all of us kind of on the panel. We're somewhat atypical because several of us work in the nonprofit, but certainly in the adult learning sector or in education. Kurt mentions that he works more of the HR with the adults rather than the delivery of students. You know, one of the things that that with any complex system or software, I tend to learn things as I need them. And so the parts of it that were really geared toward more like K 12 instruction and grading and things like that which are not necessarily a major part of adult learning, but then you know, kind of expanding that being exposed to that and then thinking okay so how would I incorporates incorporates some of those things into the way that we track our adult learners and so forth. So, I would reiterate what was said at the beginning this is this is not to teach you how to use Moodle at the kind of technical level of how to set up a book, or how to pick the content to go into a book, but it is very very important that you think about okay when would I use a book, rather than a lesson. And when would I, what would be the benefits of doing one or the other, and the content really helps you to kind of begin to think about it at that level, and to how have I kind of fallen into ruts in relying on one or two activities that I'm really I've gotten more comfortable with. And would I be able to help my learners by expanding the types of activities that I'm including in the course and maybe using those to take these in some in some different kinds of ways. By going last I get to be the summarizer. And always say I reiterate what everybody said. But I appreciated the design of the course as well, because it models good design in Moodle, and the content was great is very streamlined. I think Kirk mentioned that that there's not this extra fluffy stuff that you have to go through. You get exactly what you need. But then that frees you up to be able to think and see how you would apply it yourself. So, I found all that very helpful. And, you know, just you were modeling what you were, you know, wanting us to do as well and I really appreciated that. And Kim, can I say one more thing about that course. Because like, yeah, well I have limited time so I would do most of, I mean, you're going to spend some time on this. It's not going to be anything easy, but the course was cool because my wife, you know I got to go to the mall with her I got to spend time with my son son on the weekend so I can take my iPad or my phone, either one in the course is just going to display perfectly on either one so I'm in the mall. I'm sitting in the women's shoe section, and I'm cool I'm just sitting there. I can do my course right there. I don't need a laptop. I don't need big device, but I can still concentrate on the content. Please my wife, and please my son I still you can still stay active thing is mobile. So I just want to, I want to, I want to say something about that aspect of the course, because we're all short on time. You are the penultimate family man. Diane, since you set yourself up to go first on the next one how was your instruction changed. I would kind of echo what Tim had said that I think more about how others could use the materials that I'm presenting in the course. I'm kind of going to jump ahead a little bit our, our distance learning branch is going through a visioning series of visioning meetings right now because we're getting new upper management and we're thinking about what we could be and I think our role will be more to help in our course in our development. And some of the, I was looking back through some of my assignments. I'm yesterday and one of the assignment in particular I think that I'm going to use if we're allowed to go in the direction that I would like us to go in. So we did, did that kind of answer in a roundabout way what you were looking for. Because there are no wrong answers. I think that one of the things that I'm kind of alluded to and is that, you know, when in doing these exercises and thinking about because a lot of their several of the assignments that you write where someone comes to you for help with developing a course and so you've got to really kind of step outside and think about okay what, what advice would I give to this person, but it helped me to kind of then. So, if I would give this advice to somebody else am I following it. Am I doing the things that I would be advising this person to do. And as Diane was just mentioning you know one of the things because you know, though I'm in a leadership position. I would also report to people and you know part of it is also kind of prodding them to kind of take advantage of some of the flexibility so for example we have in one of our courses we're training people to prepare to take a professional assessment. We give them some sample quizzes and so forth. And, you know, I would really like to take that that question base and randomize it so it generates a fresh quiz every time. So if somebody could come back to it and do it but I'm getting some resistance from the people I work with but you know again, kind of learning and thinking about you know how to make these things the most effective to others. And that the focus isn't necessarily on you know what we would want as the content deliverers but what would be most effective to helping the learners get the end result that we're hoping for them to get. So, from my perspective, I'm going to think I'm going to kind of wrap it around one of the comments in the chats from from Christian asking about so no matter what medium you are University corporate whatever does the MEC fit well. Yes, I believe it does. Because like we've always we've all been talking this whole time, taking the MEC gets you thinking about thinking about ways to apply Moodle in the different environments so whether I'm with, you know a corporate environment, talking about financial management and thinking about well how do I, how does the design of this course or what the content I'm going to put in, and the different, you know, activities that I'm going to utilize to deliver the message but then I can also go down to, you know the elementary school agent and think about how simple, I want to make that course design, and I'm speaking from an instructional design perspective here but everybody does it on some on some level. The thing is, is from what I've experienced. After taking this course, how my instruction has changed, particularly my position is, I came back with that MEC. I let people know what it was in all of a sudden it was like poof I became the subject matter expert in my institution for the MEC so all these questions started getting funneled in the way of, can Moodle do this can Moodle do that and the answer most likely is, yes, not only can Moodle do this for you but the way we're doing it now, if you would do it the Moodle way and save yourself a lot of money to. I guess let me I guess let me expand on that since, since it seems like there was a just a brief flow is there's a lot of things that get outsourced to create instructional instructional content. Can that be scorn packaging scorn wrapping stuff that's you know coded and digitally designed and, you know, but can I, if I have a simple PowerPoint slide do I have to outsource that into a PowerPoint scorn wrap presentation, or can I just take that PowerPoint this is the thinking about thinking about Moodle, can I just take that file content slip it in there and get the message across if it needs to be changed, I don't have to outsource that change, I can go right into Moodle, make that change and I'm done. I'm implemented with the newest changes that are out there on the industry market and we can move on. I agree, 300% because I deal a lot with subject matter experts from all over the district and a lot of different departments and Tim said something earlier about getting into a rut, you know what I like to do, what I feel is best. Well the MEC was really good at saying hey Kirk, that's cool that you like to do that but other a couple of other things that other people might like to do, and I deal in scorn. I mean that's my bread and butter, but the point was just made everything doesn't have to be fancy. Just make something simple and concentrate on the content so MEC helped me to say, look at the array of tools that Moodle has like just mentioned, you can do it's a Swiss army can do 1000 things with it. But what are the three or four most important things that are going to get your point across so it's cutting down on a whole bunch of stuff and figuring out what is going to get the point across and I think MEC helped me. I think there's a lot in that, keep things simple, just keep it simple to get the point across. I think just real quickly to follow up on that point, Kurt. I think that one of the things that was helpful for me is though I've had some training and other settings and instructional design and online instructional design I was a professor for 20 years. And just the competency structure itself, the things that it highlighted, you know, are you thinking about what's the level of digital competency that the user would have to have to navigate this. How do I help to incorporate into what I'm doing, increasing their digital literacy and their digital competency along the way. And so just that competency structure itself. It's a kind of way of ordering and thinking about some things that I may have been doing for a very long time, but he said, Okay, yeah, okay, that's, that's the principle there. I need to give that some focused attention and not just hope it happens along the way to kind of accident. Kurt, I like your comment, Kirk. Yes, yes. Okay, I liked your comment about how that how you worked with teachers on that. I've seen too many teachers who are presenters, but not teachers, because they didn't do that check for understanding they didn't do that engagement piece. So many instances using Moodle to present, and as their LMS presenting information would have alleviated that problem. And the bigger problem is they didn't even realize that that's what they were doing. One of the one of the assigned tasks was about a history teacher that was lecture oriented. And I think we've all suffered through those people and learn from them in a way, but Moodle kind of makes that a very archaic way of instruction. I like your comment, Kirk. Thank you. And also on that, we have to realize that from a digital standpoint, we're come, you know, we have so much competition. There's the plethora of digital platforms out there and everybody's buying for that time. And, you know, the more responsive we can make our content using simpler platform sometimes simple is better and not saying Moodle is simple course it can do a billion things but sometimes just concentrating. You know, as Tim said, what is that was that most important thing. Let's just get that and respond to learners and that in that way what can learners already what is their digital competency. And that's another great point and meeting them where they are because they're wanting to learn how to present stuff to you. So Tim and Kirk had something, you know, just kind of a rule of thumb that I have when you know I designed training for for others or myself goes along with digital competency and and digital mediums, you know, competing with themselves. And this is where this Moodle helped me apply this. If a user has to click more than three times to get to what they need or to get to what they see, then you need to figure out another way of that design. And, and I think those two gentlemen, I hit the nail on the head of something that I try to apply when I, when I look at implementing plugins and activities in Moodle. All right, well, we're getting close to time. So I'm going to put two questions in for all of you to kind of wrap this up so we can have some time for questions. Has your instructional role changed based on completing the MEC and what is one piece of advice you could give to the folks that will be watching this webinar on preparing for the MEC or just any type of advice you would want to give to those folks. So my role has not changed at all. But the services that I'm able to offer to folks is broader. I'm a better, I guess I'm a better advice giver. I'm a better go to person, because I am broader because of the MEC and MEC again is about approaches. So where are you going to approach what you, what it is that you are want people to learn. So using for me, particularly forums, groups, wikis, the collaborative tools, that's where I really, really picked up a lot of stuff from the MEC, how to use those tools. I'm a better resource for people who want more collaborative learning and more personalized learning because now I'm sort of, sort of telling people, you know, concentrate on groups. How would you personalize the learning for groups so that's been my focus when I came away from in these, how can I increase getting, getting more groups and getting more personalized learning so that's how I, that's how I've expanded the working part more district offices. So in my case, my role did, did change somewhat so by trade like I said I'm an instructional designer, but for the project that I'm on right now I'm actually the project leader. However, they asked me to start exploring as a project leader this thing called Moodle, and I did the MEC and therefore not only project leader I became like I said, I guess the speed, the subject matter expert for Moodle for our institution. So that has been a that has been a blessing in that part of being that the, the one thing it has changed is, it's allowed me to help others think about ways to apply Moodle in different in different ways. You know, we may have an old platform that we're using, and we try to fit it into the Moodle box and I typically say, well no don't try to fit it in. You know, let's, let's expand our thinking of different ways that we could utilize these Moodle things, other than just the way we've always been using our, our older product. So that's been a big help. If there was any advice that I could give anybody is through the MEC. I was a little apprehensive at first because I didn't know what the expectations were, but I just want to let everyone know that your facilitators are there to help you get through it that it is very open and free. I know Dan, Dan, with me he was very, he was communication happened within some sometimes hours of my question I really appreciated that because my that that just told me that Dan valued my time and when I had a question he knew I needed it answered right away so those facilitators are there to assist you, and and they'll get you, they'll get you through it, they'll get you through it and if I can do it, you can do it as well. Thanks Ramon. The check is in the mail. As far as my role having changed. I'm kind of in the same boat with Kirk. No, my role hasn't changed but I think doing the MEC and gave me additional credibility. I was previously our moodle administrator for the Fish and Wildlife Service. And when I first started looking into the certification I was, I was initially a little bit disappointed I'm like oh it's not techie really because I like techie, but I think one of the biggest advantages is that, and this theme has come up repeatedly is that it gives you the opportunity to do bigger picture thinking. And it allows you to apply, think about how you would apply the different moodle tools in different contexts and you know it gets you out of your, your little custom box that you're used to playing in with moodle and being able to see the, the larger picture and I really appreciated that. And also, Kim is wonderful, and she was just right there responding in, you know, practically immediately. And I really, really appreciated her guidance and things and I love, I love the writing assignments so I thought that part was fun. But as far as any advice. I think it's a great experience. I would highly recommend it and if you're thinking about it, go ahead and try. So I think that the way my role has changed within my organization now that I have the certification is on the, on the front end, before I had done this part of it. I have a couple of technical questions about. So what is this setting do and why would I want to turn that on or not turn that on or those kind of things. And now I get a lot more people who will come to me very early on and say, Okay, this is our goal. How would, how do we get there. What would be the things that we could do in moodle that would help us to reach that. So if I can tie with that then my advice to folks who are doing it. And that is be creative. You know, don't think to just because the label this, this put on an activity is all that that activity is able to do. For example, one of the things that we did is we took the glossary right which everybody knows what a glossary is it's a way of find definitions of words right, but we found that okay because it's set up for people to go in and, you know, provide answers and they can upload video or audio or they can do you know provide the answer a lot of different ways. So we're the glossary entries where their names. And we use it as a tool for them to introduce themselves to other people. So they put their name in as the as the term and then they upload a video to kind of introduce themselves to the people they're doing. So really try to think about the creative ways that you could use the the activities that are part of the toolbox in ways that are not imagine. I mean there's a there's a famous saying that most educators have encountered some point from Maslow about you know when when your only tools to hammer everything is a nail. Well, you know, think about what else could I do with that hammer. It may be a hammer but maybe there's some other things I could do with it besides beat on nails. Hopefully that won't be destructive that would be helpful, but really bring to those scenarios and your work in Moodle. With this, the MEC to really think about what are creative ways and kind of out of the box solutions or ways that these tools could be used, both in the scenarios and in my own work. Thank you all for sharing those reflections on the MEC. It's been awesome. I mean, even assessing everybody's work. I get to see and Dan will say the same thing we get to see how everybody's using Moodle in a different way. And that helps with my teaching that I'm still teaching so thank you for all of that all your submissions and everything that that you guys have done and we really appreciate you being here to share your reflections. So I don't have any more questions I do have one word of advice for the people on the call. If the MEC is something you're thinking about. Find that selfie tool that Anna talked about in the presentation and go through that there's also a quiz in the course I think you're probably going to talk about that right so so yeah make sure you you are prepared by doing those self assessments and be honest with them and that'll give you a good idea. So that's all I have to share. Thank you so much for all this interesting story, sir. I've been around in, I've been involved in Moodle certification for quite a long time and I have to say, I have, I need to echo what Kim said that we learn from candidates I think we are highly benefited from the assignments and the inputs. If you, if you keep your mind open, you can, you can see that all these submissions like a pool of full of fees, full of ideas that are waiting for you. Some notes and comments and questions in the chat so let me go through them. As already mentioned and this has been understood by Ramon Christian says that so regardless. If I am a university or school teacher or trainer for adults learning in a corporate environment, this course helps me applying best practice. It's not a course, it's a certification process. And yes, it doesn't matter where you use what environment you use Moodle. The books contain case case studies and from every, every environment that Moodle can be used starting from nursery schools to agencies and corporate environments, including everything. So, even if all the case studies don't fit to your context, I believe that it's a eye opening to see how the same activity that you use can be used in another environment. Always in MEC, the focus is on the context because whatever choice you may must be meaningful for your audience must be meaningful for the environment that you work. Continuing with Mustafa, I think MEC is good idea to develop and promote Moodle and good alternative to what we have now like MCE. I'm not sure what MCE stands for. So, but yes although the idea to behind the MEC is that exactly to promote Moodle is to promote and support Moodle's vision which is empower educators and MEC is working directly towards this direction. We have some more points. Oops. Terence, I deal with a lot of instructors and have found that they initially struggled with blended learning techniques. I'm looking forward to Moodle and MEC being a big step forward in true blended learning. Have you all had similar experiences? Would you like to answer, Terence, I think you want to comment? Of course with COVID blended learning has come to the fore. My advice is to take one or two things, learn those things well before branching out into other areas. And I'm K through 12 during the day, most of the time. And then afterwards it's adult learners. Sometimes there's no difference, but learn one or two things well in the blended learning arena and then branch out to some other things. Because if you don't, well, I'll shut up there. Learn one or two things well. I've had some experience with the blended learning as well. And it really ends up being, once you expose your instructors to the capabilities of Moodle, even on a very basic level, they'll get it. They've even talked about blended learning, then they've even started incorporating and talking about flip classroom methods as well. So I mean it is highly effective and it's a time saver as well for your training or your coursework. I actually began using Moodle for blended, blended setting. So I started using it about 15 years ago when I was in university professor position. And there were things that I couldn't do in the classroom that I needed that I wanted to be able to augment and so that's where I started with Moodle. And so really again thinking about how it can provide the tools, one of the key concepts in the MEC is this idea about the self-guided learner. So how do you take that Moodle as a tool to provide those options and those opportunities for self-guided learning that can augment what's going on in the in-person setting. So yes, it will, both the course and the tool are very apropos to these blended settings and the challenges that they raise. If I could just add to that. I encountered the same thing with some of our instructors and I found what helped is if you can show them like adult learners like examples. If you could show them examples of courses and possibilities and things that they could do and do like Kirk said, you know, try one or two things and get them started slowly then once they get dip their toe in and then they'll be fine. So, but if you have a variety of examples to show them to see how they can apply blended learning techniques, it's useful. Excellent ideas from the experts now. So, officially, do we have, would you like to ask something more? Would you like to say something? Well, I can share that as a result of my experience I've got two more folks who are willing to sign up or shown a great interest in the MEC. We're growing things organically here within our district. That's important because they've seen what I've done and I've talked positively about it, but it's no joke now MEC is not a joke. It's, as Kim said, you're going to really want to be prepared for it. So take those assessments to see if you're ready, but you know, encourage others around you because that's a big part of the competencies. What are you doing for other people? What can you do to encourage digital competence from others around you? So I really like that organic aspect of MEC as well. Thank you all very much. So I'm going to say quickly my screened once again to wrap up. I have a question for everybody who's joining us today. Are you ready for the MEC? Thank you for everything. You have, you have heard a lot of stories around it. You have heard how impact other people's professional lives. So if you want to know about the answer to this question, you may easily just check the quiz that is called pre-placement test and it's in the, are you ready for the MEC section in this same course that you join us from today? And depending your score in this quiz, you will find guidelines on how to proceed. So you will know if you are ready to take the MEC right away and you just go to contact a MUL certified service provider. If you need to come back at a later stage after getting some training from the academy or from our extended network of certified service providers and gain some knowledge more around and gain about MUL and gain, most importantly, experience in teaching with MUL. Don't forget that MEC is for experienced users. 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