 Thank you Mayor Brooks. In accordance with California Senate Bill 361, this meeting is not physically open to the public. Council and staff are meeting via Zoom and there are several ways for the public to watch and participate. Information on how to join the meeting using Zoom or a landline mobile phone, along with how to submit public comment during the meeting tonight, is available on our website cityofcapitola.org and on the published meeting agenda. The public can also live stream the meeting on the city's website. As always this meeting is cablecast live on Charter Communications Cable TV channel 8 and is being recorded to be rebroadcast on the following Wednesday at 8 a.m. and on Saturday following the first rebroadcast at 1 p.m. on Charter Channel 71 and Comcast Channel 25. Our technician tonight is Walter. Thank you Walter and thank you Mayor Brooks. Chloe and thank you Walter. You can also join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. All right we're now going to move to item two, presentations for our police policy review. And shake down me, this is your item. Excellent. Okay I'm going to start by sharing my screen. Okay can you hear me and see my screen? We can. Awesome. Okay well good evening Mayor Brooks. I count the members and city staff. Tonight I have the pleasure of presenting a couple topics. The first item is the 2021 Jantree's County Criminal Justice Council Report. And the second is to provide an update on a new program that the Department's really excited about and that's in the Chiefs Advisor Committee that will be coming in 2022. So let me start by beginning to talk about the Criminal Justice Council of Santa Cruz County. And okay so I'll start with, what is the CJP? And really let me start by highlighting the great work of the Criminal Justice Council of Santa Cruz. It was started or formed 30 years ago as mayor of high level public partners from a wide spectrum of expertise and diversity throughout Santa Cruz County. And the CJP was created to increase the coordination between the Criminal Justice Partners, nonprofits, educational leaders, and other members. The membership of the CJP includes several board supervisors, same council members, the Sheriff of Santa Cruz County Sheriff for several police chiefs, probation, Santa Cruz County Courts, members of Santa Cruz County Courts, we have the District Attorney, Defense Council, School of Executives, and quite a few other non-profit agencies. So this group is they have a very competent public leaders looking at criminal justice in Santa Cruz County. And each year the Criminal Justice Council selects a topic and for 2021 following the death of George Floyd in the national discussions around police policies the CJP appropriately focused on a regional review and analysis of the public safety policies for the police departments in Santa Cruz County. And so the CJP formed a subcommittee that was led by Supervisor Zach Friend and Council Member Justin Cummings. And so they have a subcommittee and then we have representatives from the City of Capitola which included Council Member Kristen Peterson and then Chief McManus. The CJP reviewed local police policies and focused on use of force, the technology, independent oversight, behavioral health response, and community transparency. And I mentioned exactly what they were looking for. And so the purpose was the CJP really wanted to examine local police policies to determine three things. The first thing was whether or not they were consistent and had alignment throughout the county. So Santa Cruz County is a small county that people can transition between jurisdictions. So just seeing that there's there's consistency among the police agencies as someone traverses through the county and they have an interaction with law enforcement. And the second thing is with trying to identify if there's anything in gaps that need to be addressed. And then finally if there's any opportunities to improve. And so with that the CJP did make a very note worth the observation that all the law enforcement agencies participated or are very open and transparent during the process. So the next slide I'm just going to highlight capitol police department because they give this touch to all the different law enforcement agencies in Santa Cruz County. All of the different departments you can find these links on the CJP website. So this is what you can find on the CJP website and it talks about the different some of the some of the highlight that you have in front of you. And on the left you'll see the police topic and on the right you'll see the actually the actual the policy that you can find all of our policies are online that's mandated by law and all the Santa Cruz County agencies have those online accessible to the public. For the policies that you do see that have a no-policy I feel quite honestly for those that you don't have policies that's just like a no-knock from no-knock or the dynamic industry. It's because we don't have those policies primarily found like swap teams and tactical tactical teams and we just don't have those with our police department. The no-knock warrants are justified by law but again it has to have a policy with some sort of tactical team behind it which we just don't have. Other agencies do regulate actions of directives or from the chief of police for like high research months and policies such as those. The DCGP did report did give us the opportunity to explore ways that we can improve. Sorry and then he just jumped into what the kind of big key takeaways were from the DCGP report is that there was widespread policy alignment in Santa Cruz County so that was a very very positive report. And then all of the Santa Cruz County law enforcement agencies have updated and modern policies regarding use of force technology deployment and release of information to the public. And among the agencies that don't have a dedicated unit for behavioral health that they were all interested in and created agencies that have responded to those types of calls. And then one of the things that two of my friends noted is that legally that this is actually Santa Cruz County believe it to be the first to conduct this type of transparent regional policy review in the United States. And then the DCGP did want to point out that this report is not a comprehensive look at both ways to do policies but it really provides more of a transparent overview of the policies that were to ensure that officers respond safely and responsible to the key situation. And with that I know that you do have a pathway and the package and that is that review is publicly available so it was a really really really great effort for the DCGP and with that we kind of spun into a little update now on the what's next the next steps for Capitol PD as we kind of approach 2022. And so with that for 2022 what my goal is to create this chief advisory committee and what it does is it creates a link between the community police department as it's used as a resource for the chief of police. And it's a mechanism for the community stakeholders to understand community relations, understand police policies and procedures, learn about police initiatives and then make suggestions towards our capital police department operations as we look towards following advice issues for our residents. And some of those examples can include program review and community outreach assistance. So on this question who would make up this type of committee? The composition of the committee with within my vision is they would have five to seventy two stakeholders who want to keep the group manageable and they need to be active community members. I want to represent a very diverse group of stakeholders within the community that can make this recommendation. And some examples and this is just kind of arranging with the interests of the community leaders, business owners, education leaders, public relations, the state of commanding and youth representation. All right so what are the next steps for 2022? You know the capital police department are really committed to this to this program it was something that Chief McManus and I had discussed and one of the things we did is we kind of pulled this into some of our internal promotional processes and so we used it as one of our sergeant's tests written exam and actually Captain Ryan was working on an SLI project that has to do with the Chief's advisory board. So we can get that kind of internal buy-in and see that come from our agency. So the goal is to have a draft program by the end of 2021 and to finalize a policy by early 2022 looking at membership applications by the end of June of 2022 and then creation of the actual committee by the fiscal year of July 2022. And then let's see as I kind of wrap up here I just want to extend a major thanks to primarily Mayor Brooks for early conversations of these very very important topics about police policies and looking at the ATAC way that was kind of those first kind of first conversations that we had internally. And then more importantly or not more importantly but equally as important is just that really the time and effort that Captain Edward Peterson and Chief McManus put in with the excellent work that they did for public safety certain on the ATAC, the TJP community. And with that I really appreciate the time and time for listening and we'll operate because I don't think I can see I just see my slide shift. So with that I'm going to stop sharing so I can see everyone and I think everyone's back. You should have all been frowning right when you came back, right? Just to really show our dismay. Now great first presentation Chief Daly. I know it's not easy so especially talking to your screen. Council members, Vice Mayor's story, I'm a reflection. Vice Mayor's story, perfect. Thank you Mayor Brooks and congratulations once again Chief Daly. And I applaud your efforts to start up a community advisory committee. I look forward to seeing how that develops. But I wanted to particularly ask about one of the survey questions among the various jurisdictions was about having a dedicated staff or unit for behavioral and mental health issues. And I noticed we identified of course not having that but being able to benefit from that and supportive of maybe starting out I don't know maybe a multi-jurisdictional unit to respond to those types of calls. I was wondering if you had any thoughts about our field of discussions about how we may move forward and you know being a small jurisdiction whether there are any you know a feasible and affordable living for us to be able to have such a dedicated unit. Sure and great question and a very valid topic right now. So as far as the resources go the mental health workers that are out on the field right now with the unit for personnel they're out there they're not out in our building per se but we do have they are available to us. So the Santa Cruz Police Department has no health workers and the Sheriff's Department has no health workers that are available to us when they're working. So depending on the call for service we have the ability to request those resources and they're readily available. I will note that the CJT is actually I believe taking on really some of the well I'm sorry CJT is going to take on the home of this issue next I believe next year but the the topic of mental health and law enforcement and that partnership is something that's ongoing with all of us and we're all very interested in it. I really think that there's going to be some some funding that's going to be coming towards us and we would absolutely welcome any partnership with no health workers and to help our our unit for personnel absolutely. Well thank you that that actually seems kind of on the thing so and I would certainly want to you know support us to move forward in that effort and seeing if we can collaborate with the county mental health in order to get that kind of first response and and to support you know our police force. But thank you for bringing that to our attention and moving that forward. Appreciate it. Council Member, oh any other? Council, Council? Okay there's no other comments again. Thank you for the presentation Chief Derry. I have a good night and it just disappeared like that. There we go. Okay I'd like to item three report out on closed sessions. The evening Mayor and Council Members, we had two closed sessions on the agenda tonight. In one of the closed sessions regarding the matter of in-ray national prescription opioid litigation, Council voted to join the settlement agreement and operate with City Manager to take all necessary actions to effectuate Council's position. Thank you. Thank you so much Samantha. We're now going to move on to item four for additional materials to be having this evening. Yes Mayor Brooks. There were three public comment emails received regarding item 9A. That's the outdoor dining ordinance item. Thank you. Thank you Chloe. For item five additions and deletions to the agenda. Staff has no changes to the agenda tonight. Thank you Jamie. Item six, oral communications. This allows time for members of the public to address the City Council on any consent item on tonight's agenda or any topic within the jurisdiction of the City that is not on general governance. Do we have any comments from the public? Mayor Brooks, I do not see any emails on this item and I don't see any hand raised to speak to this item. Oh wait, I'm sorry. I do now see someone and this is general governance. Correct. I mean this is a consent. Yeah so again this is just a reminder for those of the public who are asking to speak. This is an item not on tonight's agenda or in reference to an item on consent. You will have a brief dog deli. Okay go ahead and unmute yourself. Yeah we just passed through the outdoor dining so I just wanted to make sure that we were going to cover those items on sidewalk seeing. Yeah so that's going to be in a few and a few more items we did not talk about. Okay sorry that sorry. It's all state. Okay I'll stay I'll stay tuned. Awesome thanks so much. Okay I know this stuff gets tricky folks. Okay so item seven, this is for staff and city council comments staff. Do you have any comments? First I just want to announce everyone is eligible for booster shots if you have been your six months or more since you got your Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or two months or more since the Johnson and Johnson. I just went and got by this afternoon of the Cabrillo drive-through clinic that they have there. Just want to encourage everyone to see that. And then our public works director, Steve, he has a little update for you. Meeting man council I just want to give you a quick update on the two ongoing construction projects we have. First is the war project that is requesting the files, the seal files that the head of the work and statewide's instruction under the restaurant. There are we two of the project. They have completed replacement of four with six piling on the head of the work. They anticipate having all the files replaced by the end of next week and which point they will move to stabilize the structure under the restaurant. At this time they are on schedule to complete the work by Christmas time so that's their role is to get out of there for a holiday. Regarding the signal project on 41st Avenue I just want to give everybody heads up with the contractor will be installing conduits across from one side of 41st to the other at three of the intersections within the city. They're going to try starting early in the morning at working through the new time hour and see how that works with traffic control. So there will be some congestion there with that. If that doesn't work they will consider moving the work into the next time. So we're kind of seeing what works. They're going to be closing a lane at a time as they go across but they will have moving traffic control. They're still waiting for equipment to come in regarding the actual installation of the controllers at each cabinet including the conference cabinet. So it's very likely that the actual work is the installation of the equipment will not begin until the new year. We just take the project being done in February and then the system may have to take track counts for about six weeks. Right now it's three weeks before they turn on the system. So we're looking at March before we do that. Probably see the benefits of the project. That's all. Thank you very much. Thanks so much Steve. Okay any council comments? Okay seeing no council comments they just had one. Three CE is our energy source. You usually see the name on your teaching e-bill on their website. They have just posted a reimbursement program for those who have bought a e-vehicle and now even e-bikes. There's a really large incentive anywhere from five hundred dollars to four thousand dollars. So I highly encourage people who have bought one or who might be thinking about buying one to participate in that program. So again that's three CE or Essential Coast Community Power program and you can google that at any time. All right moving on to item eight. This is consent. All items listed on consent will be enacted by one motion in the form listed below. So that's item 8A through F and would any of our council members like to entertain a motion. I can move it. I'll second. We have a first from council member Kaiser and a second from my vice mayor story to approve items 8A through F may have a roll call for you. Council member Bertrand. I approve. Council member Kaiser. I. Council member Peterson. I. Vice mayor story. I. Mayor Brooks. Thank you. We're moving right along our excuse me that I don't have to unanimously moving right along to item 98. This is outdoor dining ordinance recommended action item one to consider the planning commission recommendations regarding the draft outdoor dining ordinance and either and I'm going to pause right there. Council member Kaiser. Thank you mayor Brooks because of my information from each girl that pertains in the outdoor dining in my financial conflict. I will have to refuse from this item. Thank you. Thank you council member Kaiser. So I'll just go ahead and continue to read this is the outdoor dining ordinance separates from our temporary ordinance that we have in place. So this is considered planning commission recommendations regarding the draft outdoor dining ordinance and provide direction on this ordinance tonight and consider schedules for a first reading and adoption or introduced by title only waiting for the reading of the tax and ordinance of the city council of the city of capital repealing and replacing the municipal code as listed and amending it related to outdoor dining in the public right of place. So that'd be item one and then item two is to consider options to extend terminate or modify the temporary outdoor dining program currently scheduled to end on January 3rd. So we'll take both of those items separately just as an FYI because one does trail the other. Katie is this your item? Yes. Thank you mayor Brooks and council. Just as mayor Brooks explained I'm going to start with an overview of the outdoor dining ordinance. This is a long term program for the city of capital and it's looking at creating new regulations for up to three year program that could eventually be extended into a permanent program. And then following the discussion on that ordinance we'll talk about our COVID-19 temporary dining and what the council would like to do in terms of extending the program or letting it expire on the student expired January 3rd 2021. So thank you and I'll jump into the draft ordinance. Thank you. Okay there we go. So just a quick overview of where we've done. So back in spring of 2020 the city council issued an emergency temporary outdoor dining permit throughout the city of capital and not only it was in the village then in April of 2021 after almost a year of the outdoor dining city council directed staff to develop a permanent outdoor dining program. We came back on two more occasions to the city council the first time in June and brought forth two surveys one that was finding the outreach to the public and whether or not there was support for the program and there was a majority of support from the public in creating a permanent program and then also the surveys from the restaurants and again there was support for a permanent program. So with that we began drafting an ordinance we also um so began drafting an ordinance it was put out for public review in late September and October 7th the planning commission reviewed the draft ordinance for the first time. Today at that hearing the public noticing requirement is really just to put the public noticing in the paper. Planning commission asked us to continue the item give us some feedback on the draft. They asked us to continue the item and put out notices throughout the village and also to send a little green card to all residents within the central village. So it was continued to November 4th hearing and the planning commission went through the ordinance and gave us feedback on all of the items and directions but ultimately their recommendation was to delay the adoption of the ordinance until a prototype design is complete and I'll go into that for you. So there they're when they reviewed the ordinance there were three significant changes that occurred. The first was to remove sidewalk dining altogether. The second was to modify the locations in the street dining to help show you more detail of that and then also in terms of timing they asked to delay the ordinance until a prototype design could be in place and the reason for asking the prototype design to be in place first was to ensure the best design fits the ordinance. They had concerns about angle parking and as well as to ensure the on-site bicycle parking requirement which fit with the design. However in their recommendations of a lot of the issues to the ordinance there is now an in-law option for the bicycle parking requirement. So with the differences between the original city council direction on what to include in the ordinance and the planning commission's recommendation being having three significant changes from the original direction from city council. We brought forth tonight two ordinances. One ordinance is the planning commission recommendation of ordinance one and then the second ordinance is planning commission recommendation but it includes city council's original direction on locations for sidewalk and street dining. On this slide I just brought up the differences of those three items. So for sidewalk dining the planning commission said to remove all sidewalk dining from the ordinance. Within the original direction from city council it was to allow sidewalk dining specifically within the village on Monterey Avenue and on the wharf and the draft ordinance also includes allowing it in the mixed-use neighborhoods as well as our commercial, community commercial and regional commercial district. And then the other change in street dining decks. The planning commission recommended limiting the street dining decks to Esplanon and San Jose Avenue and the original direction from city council is to also include Capuchola Avenue and Monterey Avenue. The planning commission recommended removing Capuchola Avenue because of how busy the street is. And then Monterey Avenue because it's a major drop-off location for beachgoers and they thought there was more public good in having five additional spaces for the beachgoers to drop off their stuff for the beach and a convenient space. And then again we talked about the timing of the prototype. So this slide goes over all the items that stay the same between ordinance one and ordinance two. The number of parking spaces for the dining deck was 25. The bicycle parking both ordinances include two bike spaces per automobile space and it also adds an imbue option for a central location for bicycle parking which they can pay it to. Found through the course of the review by the planning commission they recommended contributing amplifiers found in all music. For signs one business identification sign and one with youth sign it both be limited to two four feet each. Materials the planning commission added specific guidance for what material for the appropriate in which materials are not appropriate. The activated space this is the new standard after seeing so many spaces with knowledge for the temporary ordinance not being utilized they added an activation requirement that the restaurants be open a minimum of five days per week and utilizing that space having it available for customers during those days that are open and weather pending. Then storm water we had there's new requirements for storm water and also utilities maintenance we added some specificity of new standards that are related to trash the upkeep of plants and regularly cleaning the areas. Another shift was for the administrative policy originally was the city manager could authorize modifications to the admin policy the planning commission recommended that City House will authorize any modifications to the admin policy so that's a little more nonsense and then private property originally had a section requiring that any private property that wanted to add outdoor dining could through a commissionally used permit. This one I the planning commission recommended we're moving and I want to strongly recommend that we stay with that if we want to include private property we should come back with a really well thought out ordinance on that and how and creating standards for review if we want to include private property I think more time needs to be spent on that. So clue still commission review so that that's that the overview of what was included in the ordinance so we did we took the draft ordinance to coastal commission they reviewed the ordinance and provided feedback they asked us to reduce the amount of permits to about half of what was originally allocated with the COVID-19 permit they also suggested be a temporary program so it can be reviewed and make sure it's working and not limiting any coastal access or creating coastal access issues and then they suggested that we used the funds for outdoor dining for the leases could be should be reinvested into coastal access so all three items have been included in our updated ordinance. Another item is the new concept of a blanket coastal development permit which for the prototype design once the planning commission once we have a prototype design. Okay looks like T.B. is frozen. Jamie Edwards is just a little shaky. I don't remember if we're trying to turn off his camera because he's also having some issues so just want to know that he's still with us and also Jamie just so you know I'm seeing people pass along host permits of access and I just want to make sure that at least someone here in the term still has a host access. I don't know who has host access right now. I've only had to cheat and dally. Interesting. I do see it under my name like how would you like me to proceed? I think you're okay for now just sit tight. Okay. So we can hear Katie a second here my assumption is that either she has power failure or internet failure I can run the slides and go through them um where she left off. Can you tell us how many of our slides she has you know when you can? Give me one moment. So the last slide we covered was blanket prototype. You know it looks like unfortunately the version that I'm accessing no that's right blanket prototype. So that's slide eight and we've got through slide 20 so this is better. Okay. Do you want to shoot her a test to see if she's going to be looking at? Sure. And then what we can do is we can move on to the other item items 9c while we wait I prefer her to present just because for sure she's done so much work on this. The um so the internet is down sounds like a city hall. Oh okay. So are we still broadcasting? As far as I can tell we are from from what I can see this is Chloe. Okay I'm gonna um if we have people in the participants I'm going to just do a quick test. Raise your hands if you can hear me. I'll be back. Perfect okay so we're so they are still able to be here so I just get our hands going up and down so it makes me believe we are live still. So it sounds like a city hall there's not a bandwidth at this point to do both video and audio so I just suggested that Katie try to pull you are on for for you are on right now with audio only. Is that correct? I think what I just heard is that you said on television they can hear us and not see us. Is that correct? That is true if that's what you said. And we can hear you just fine I think. Okay. Okay. So Mayor Brooks I think we have a couple options as you just thought why we're gonna have to go to the next item um and continue this for a moment or two uh we would need to get um tell the woman Kaiser back on I think for item 90 you know. Yes and are you whose item was item 90? That's Larry. Larry are you on? Larry's not on. Okay. So we have a problem. Your problem well. Our bandwidth has gone down it's not even metaphorically speaking this is just too close to Thanksgiving. Um I see Katie coming back connecting Larry's back at hosting's are happening um let's take a I'm just going to give it a five minute break right now to see if we can figure this out. So I'm going to officially pause this meeting and take a five minute break Chloe are you with me for that? Yes I think that's a great idea thank you Mayor Brooks. Okay. All right so folks um in the audience go ahead and lower your hands if you can still hear me and we will try to get this back on in five minutes we'll return at 9.44. 7.44. Sorry Campbell. On zoom for a while and it's weird so I don't know why it's working here. Is it working? It was I was on zoom fine. I'm trying to even get to the device and I can't. Oh I mean if you want if Katie wants to come down here it doesn't mean it will work down here. Okay so um because we're all this is all connected to the same equipment. Got it no I understand what can I do anything you ended the zoom. Because I was on my phone. Do you want me to try to open the zoom up again as you? Um I can log in as you. It looks like your name. Everything's working for me. Okay don't do anything now. Don't do okay don't yeah don't do anything. Okay I'm wondering why can we still hear what? Is there coming over to zoom? Yeah I don't know what's happening. Well you're the one who said this is the item you thought might be long. Well that's true. I know poor Larry. Is Larry out there? No I won't say anything. Everyone who wanted to speak will be able to and I see a chat from someone saying they can't hear that we're breaking up so that even speaks more to the concern that I have about moving forward with this item tonight not knowing. Just kind of finish that thought there. So for those who are listening or able to listen where we're at now we're concerned that there were some people who might have dropped off this call who really wanted to participate in this conversation. Um and so that we those who are back and here and willing to share your comments we will you will have that opportunity. The the issue is again we're just worrying that some people didn't come back. Um and that there's just some sort of weird internet thing going on out there in the ether world. So I see two council members hands raised. I do want to ask one question though for discussion's sake. In terms of timelines Jamie and how we have our we have a December meeting and the January meeting while we're taking council comments um on this matter can you get timeline and whether we would need to hold a special meeting or when we need to make to keep these things moving along. So I'm going to have I saw like there's stories can't raise and then I'll go to council member for sure. But that's my question Jamie for you to condor. Do you want to answer? No I'm going to take like their story open questions or can first like that story with us. I believe I am. There you are. Yes. Yeah and just to throw another curve into the scheduling mix. We also want to acknowledge that you know one of our tasks this evening was to make a decision on the continuation amount of the temporary parkway program which is fired on January 3rd. So it seems to me that if we're going to continue this we should do it prior to that date or date certain. So we can deal with that issue before the expiration. Okay and we have one more meeting before that on December 9th. Okay council member for if you're trying to talk to other you're on here. So you can hear me that's good. So you know for me as in the chat it's very choppy and I really don't think that I can be a part of a conversation about this. Okay and just a reminder for council members. From all intents and purposes What? I don't know if you hear me. We can hear you. I'm just going to remind our council members who did not read the chat so they're not public comments. Oh it came up as a message. Okay so I got that. Y'all this discussion I think should be in a form which is internet perfect. It's very important. So many people are interested so I prefer to put it off like Kristen said and in recognition of the fact that people are online may not be online in December I certainly think it's important we take the comments now to be part of the record. Thank you. Thank you council member for trans. Council member Jamie are you chomping out a bit? Okay council member Peterson. Yeah I just think based on the concerns that we're varying from from other council members that we should continue this either to our December 9th meeting which I know is kind of a tough one that's when we do kind of our changes in guard and all that. So either that we continue it toward December 9th meeting or we have a discussion about holding a special meeting in the week of December 13th to take only this item. So my recommendation would be at this point that we schedule a special meeting next week which would then let us hold our second and Samantha you can help me out here. I believe as long as you hold your second meeting at least seven days after the first meeting. Okay so we could do a special meeting next week and I think given the challenges that I'm hearing from a lot of folks it might make sense to just do a do-over of the general government agenda this evening. So just because I'm not clear whether or not council member Bertrand you're suggesting that you use every difficult time participating and it may be the best thing to do is to just do a do-over of the whole thing whether or not you want to take public comment the awkward piece about taking public comment this evening is is like I sort of feel like they should see the whole presentation but I think that's your decision. Okay I like it I like it all. Are we looking at the date of November 29th then? Is that five days? So on November yes it doesn't need to be five days from today it needs to be five days prior to the December 9th meeting. So we can do we can we can try to pick a date for next week right now if everybody has their calendars available. For those who are here that might be helpful to them too in the audience to know what most of the meetings um the 29th 30th first all uh the 29th 30th and first and the meetings work well with me. Should we do six o'clock on the first? It's Wednesday. Thumbs up from council member Bertrand, thumbs up from council member Peterson. Like my story I don't see thumbs from you um because your camera's not up. Now there's my thumb. All right there's a thumb. So we need to ask council member Kaiser if she's off. We will check in with her but I think we're going to have a yeah we have a um what's it called? Quorum. Checking all of us. Oh quorum thank you. Okay we have that quorum that's required. Okay so council member Peterson would you like to that motion you started? Sure. I'd like to move that we um continue all of the items on our general government for tonight's agenda to a special meeting to take place on Wednesday December 1st at 6pm. And just for clarity that's item 9a BNC. Yes all of all of the general government items from this evening. Jamie is that what you were meaning? Um that was what I was suggesting. Okay. With checking with council member Kaiser to see if she says she's not available on Wednesday. Can we um can I make that a friendly amendment to your motion and that we come back with just item 9a on this first and then continue our meeting for 9 BNC tonight? Yeah. Yeah but I'm having problems participating anyway but okay what is um for the sake of us being able to determine an appropriate time and knowing that by law we need to notify the public within what 24 hours of the special meeting correct so would it make more sense for me to um rebook my original motion and make a new motion that we bring all of the items on tonight's general government and public hearing. Item 9a BNC back to council at uh a date next week uh to be determined and posted by the end of this week. If I motion that that would allow the opportunity for staff to determine with council members over the next three days and we'll wait until Thanksgiving. I can say we don't need to formulate this into a motion. I appreciate the effort I like but you don't need to formulate this into a motion. The council simply decides I may or could decide um consistent with what council appears in our hearing is that the entire agenda will be continued to a date next week. I will listen to part people with households to determine availability for next week um and we will notice the meeting consistent with the brown act requirements which is 24 hours in advance and I will refer to the city manager or maybe the court that she lost about this before and we'll give the agenda out state out sooner and the brown act requires we can do that. Absolutely. I think we're all in agreement. I'm sorry without you. I just was agreeing. I we can certainly do that. I will be in touch to get availability tomorrow and we can have the agenda out and notify the public more than the brown act requires before the end of day tomorrow so that everyone knows when the meeting is next week. Does that sound okay? That sounds great. Okay. So I appreciate all the council's work and staff. Tonight's work on everything um so tonight we are going to go ahead and close our meeting um and come and we will come back at a later time next week um for those who are in our audience just let you know just keep an eye out on the left side and we will try to notify people as well as best as we can. All right so we'll go ahead and adjourn at 8 11 p.m. Thank you everyone for your patience um and for again for those who are here um please share with your those what happened tonight. Thanks again. Let's break your mirror.