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This is The Daily Tech News for Friday, July 17th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt. Darren Kitchen was underwater, he said. I hope he has some scuba gear. Thankfully, stepping in valiantly to pick up the baton, Mr. Patrick Norton, host of Tech Thing. How's it going, Patrick? I am full of mirth and good cheer. Darren has been pulled onto a raft and is being towed back to the Richmond shoreline as we speak. Excellent. His experiments with sugar printed boats is probably going to come to an end today, but we look forward to his experiments with PLA and ABS. I'm sure that KSFO will be covering it live as it happens. We've managed to actually keep it out of the local media. It's amazing what a little green will do with the underpaid professionals that bring you your regional news. Len Peralta here to help illustrate today's topic, Windows 10 Forced Updates. Yes. It's probably, in my career, is probably going to be the one that is going to be like, remember that day, they'll remember this day, and they'll go back and it will be one of those landmark moments. Right. This was the day. Len achieved his finest hour. Did you guys see that? I can't even imagine what he was thinking when he came up with this incredible image for Windows 10 Updates, but I can't even be in that brain. Except it is you. I know. I'm talking about myself. No, no. I get it. I get it. Just confuse me for a second. It's been a long day. Let's start some headlights so we can tell people what this is all about. Windows 10 home users will not be able to turn off automatic updates. We now know this for sure. It's been rumored for a long time, and it seemed like it was probably true. And guess what? No surprise it is. Build 10-2-4-0 of Windows 10's Insider Preview has finalized settings and terms of service. Tim Anderson over at the register spotted a line in the terms that says, by accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice. Architect connotes that Windows Pro users will get a little more leeway, seemingly around eight months, to be able to delay updates, and enterprise users can delay them for several years if they wish. Patrick and I are going to talk about that a little more, as well as his impressions of Windows 10, because you've been using it for a while now, right? It's been my primary operating system on my primary laptop since technical preview started. Living with it. Each and every day in my face. The Verge reports that Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced a $10,000 firmware upgrade to the P85D Model S electric sedan called Ludicrous Mode. The upgrade will allow the electric car to go from zero to 60 seconds, I'm sorry, go from zero to 60 miles an hour in 2.8 seconds with 1.1 Gs. It's 1.1 Gs of force. 155 miles per hour, 20% faster than an unupgraded P85D must describe the acceleration as faster than falling. Depends on how much. Well, no, I guess a feather and I know we proved that you fall the same rate. Anyway, there's also a battery pack upgrade from 85 kilowatt hours to 90 kilowatt hours and a rear wheel drive Model S 70 available for $70,000. But seriously, Musk announced the Tesla P85D gets ludicrous speed. Unless you think Tesla was not in on their own joke from the press release, quote, there is of course one speed faster than ludicrous, but that is reserved for the next generation roadster in four years. Maximum plaid nice. They love their space balls over there. They were also playing the musician ludicrous during the whole music for the press conference as well. Would you upgrade? Would you want this? I guess if you're going to spend money on a speedster car like this, why not? If you've already dropped $100,000, it's funny because I've gotten so used to seeing Tesla S's because they are so common in this part of California, the Bay Area. On top of that, over by Richmond's, over by the warehouse in Richmond, the Hack 5 warehouse is one of the primary ports of entry for like, you know, you'll drive down the right street and you'll see a lot filled with every Subaru and Preza that's going to the United States, it seems like, from Japan. And there's constantly a look up and I'll see, as I'm driving to the office there, an entire tractor trailer load of Tesla S's that are being shipped overseas. But the people, everybody who owns a Tesla S, they seem to come into sort of two categories. The people who bought it because they believe like, you know, it's a superior automobile and it's a striking opportunity to show green they are. Plus they get to be really, really cool because it's really, really fast. And then there's the people who just want to drive it like a teenager trying to get, I can't say that word on a family-friendly podcast on Friday night. Friends. Friends. Trying to make friends on Friday night and I can totally see, you know, they're $100,000 into the car with the super battery pack and everything. They'll drop another $10,000 to make it faster. Yeah. Especially if it comes with a little extra badge on the, you know, that would be perfect if it was like $10,000 for a little bit of code and like one letter they could add to it. Add decal, yeah. Yeah. Right, it's co- Make up the road decals, sorry. I'm sure. Reddit's co-founder and CEO Steve Huffman conducted and asked me anything yesterday, posting some details of new policies. The following will not be allowed on Reddit. Some of these were already not allowed on Reddit. But here's the complete list now. Spam. Anything illegal. Publication of private and confidential information, inciting harm or violence, harassment, bullying, and sexually suggestive content featuring minors. Certain offensive or adult subreddits will be reclassified, carrying a warning and either requiring opt-in or requiring you to log in or possibly logging in is the opt-in. There's a little confusion about how this reclassification is going to work. But that's what he said. Well, but it also, it seemed like he said that, then he said any of this or none of this could actually happen. Well, too many could even subreddit is the way I took it. But now that you say that, you're right. Like, it isn't the actual terms. It's not a policy post. This is his answers in the AMA. And as you might expect, some people not satisfied with his answers and other people are. But there you go. That's the latest in the never-ending saga of Reddit and its users. In a blog post yesterday, Google announced one of its self-driving cars got into its first injury accident, minor injury, a bit of minor whiplash, both to the people in the self-driving car and the car that hit it, according to Ars Technica. The July 1st accident is Google's 14th self-driving car accident since 2009, which probably per miles driven is still under what the general populace experience is. They've all been the fault of other drivers. Chris Ermson, the head of self-driving car team, wrote the Google car was rear-ended at 17 miles per hour. It was waiting at a stoplight. I don't think that's the Google car's fault. No. It is amazing how many of these, not all of them, but the majority of these accidents are being rear-ended by someone else who failed to stop in time. And they're not the sort of thing. I mean, being rear-ended is always the other driver's fault, right? That's just the way it goes. But they don't seem to be like, oh, the Google self-driving car came to a sudden and unexpected stop. They're usually gradually slowing down, and the other person just isn't paying attention. I think that happens a lot. Yes. I see at least one rear-ended car probably every other day on 80 or 880. And it's usually like a caved in rear end of the car, where traffic's moving and somebody is texting or playing games in their Apple Watch or thinking about burgers. Or musing about the on-way of life. Or Windows 10 and whether or not they can handle it automatically. There was an accident right in front of my house. Just before the show, somebody wasn't paying attention and somebody else turning off into the sort of things happens. But it makes news when it's a self-driving car. PCMag reports that overall spam rates have dropped below 50%. The last time this happened, Patrick Norton, you and I were employees of Vulcan Ventures at Tech TV. It was 12 years ago. According to Symantec, the rate of unwanted emails reached 49.7% in the last time. The rate was so low was September 2003. Wow. Now, I don't know if you've peaked, but pretend you haven't. What do you think the industry with the highest rate of spam email sent is? Man, I'm not sure if it's gonna be hair loss, erectile dysfunction, or just spearfishing to steel. You were closest when you said man because it's mining. Really? Yeah, mining. Mining? Yeah. I guess people in mining are less discriminating about what kind of emails they click on. I don't know. Mining spam. I'm hoping to find samples now. The BBC reports that two British MPs have won a high court battle over laws which require businesses to keep records on data and phone calls and then allow law enforcement to review those records of suspected criminals. David Davis and Tom Watson argued that the Data Red Tension and Investigatory Powers Act was incompatible with human rights. The high court found aspects of the law breached articles seven and eight of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights and the ruling effectively nullifies aspects of the legislation, although the order has been suspended until next March. Her Majesty's government will appeal the ruling. BizTechAfrica notes that the Botswana Institute for Technology Research and Innovation or BITRI is conducting a nanotechnology challenge. People in Botswana have until July 31st to submit a suggested translation of the term nanotechnology into a Setswana word or phrase. Program is meant to raise awareness of nanotechnology and winners will receive tablets. Do you think somebody could win by just spelling nanotechnology more Setswana friendly and just say, we should really just call it nanotechnology? Cause the French do this, right? They're like, it's not a computer. It's an ordinateur. And I'm like, well, okay, we borrow words from other people's languages in English all the time. No, you borrow languages for English. The French, they do not borrow other people's words. And I guess Setswana doesn't either, but I actually do think this is really cool. The idea of having a native language specific contest to get people interested in anything like nanotechnology is pretty awesome. Time now for our news from you section. Many of the stories you've already heard were submitted in our subreddit, including the Windows 10 one at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and we got a couple more. Complex One sent us this story. A US federal judge ruled that internet-based video streaming service FilmOn is entitled to the same compulsory copyright licenses that cable systems get according to ours Technica. ARIO, if you recall, lost a similar case when it made the same arguments in court last year. Not the Supreme Court case that shut them down, but a different case where they tried to get the rights to stream through this method. US District Court Judge George Wu acknowledged that his preliminary decision is indirect conflict with the Second Circuit and he said he'll allow an immediate appeal to the Ninth Circuit. The TV broadcasters who sued FilmOn for copyright infringement which include all four major television networks in the US are pretty much certain to appeal. But this is a weird bit of US law where a cable system can't be denied the right to carry broadcast networks unless the broadcast networks want to charge in which case there are certain rules about how negotiations can happen in a reasonable manner to agree on a reasonable fee. That's why you still see like CBS and Time Warner getting a fight over carriage and CBS goes off Time Warner for a while because they're having that fight but there were rules about that fight and what FilmOn once and what ARIO wanted was to be under those rules and be able to say, no, you have to let us stream you in a reasonable manner. That seems, I mean, I don't know. You know, there's part of me once they get excited about this stuff working the way it's supposed to and the other part of me is like, you know, I'm never gonna have cable again, so whatever. Well, but yeah, I mean, think of it. I mean, CBS is already, some of this is going to go away. This is kind of a temporary legal challenge that won't really matter because CBS is already streaming their service and PlayStation View has local channels. So a lot of this is being worked out in the marketplace anyway, but what companies are trying to say is, well, why should there be one set of rules for people with round wires and another set of rules for people with flat wires? They're all just wires carrying a signal. No, those wires are their wires. These wires are our wires and we want to charge whatever we want, no matter what the, you know, is that FCC? Yeah, yeah, no, you know what? None of the broadcast networks own the, well, hold on, I guess, Comcast does own NBC. So I'll take that back. GA Corley posted the ARS Technica write-up of a paper published in Nature Climate Change confirming that the cost of lithium ion battery packs is falling. Costs of producing battery packs fell faster than projected from $1,000 per kilowatt hour in 2007 to $450 per kilowatt hour in 2014 and continues to fall. The largest manufacturers are creating the packs at $300 per kilowatt hour because they can do it at scale. Costs of battery packs would need to fall, they estimate to around $150 per kilowatt hour to become cost competitive with internal combustion, both for vehicles or power generators. The authors of the paper estimate that that probably won't happen until after 2020. So even as fast as they're falling, they're not falling quite fast enough for that. Did you guys talk about the study that came out this week that looked at, and not almost at a county level, a bunch of researchers went through it and looked at how green electric cars are based on the primary source of electricity in an area? Yeah, yeah, and we did not talk about that, but I saw that article, it was fascinating. Yeah, it was, yeah, your electric car may not be so green. Your electric car is likely not to be very green depending on where you live. Yeah, and it's funny, ironically like Texas and LA, parts of Texas and LA are the places where it's almost undoubtedly more green and then the rest of the country, it's highly questionable. There it is, life cycle air quality impacts of conventional and alternative light duty transportation in the United States. Man, that just rolls right off the tongue. But I love the idea that these electric batteries are falling in price because there's so many things. I mean, cars are definitely a big thing you can do with them, but there's also the power wall from Tesla being able to create all kinds of power options through that. So yeah, hey, thanks for putting that in the show notes. Now that we actually embed the Google Doc in the blog post, you putting that link in the show notes will now make it available for everyone as soon as we post this. I'm a giver. Yeah, thanks, man. And that's a look at the headlines. All right, let's talk about Windows 10. The news today is that Windows 10 Home gets you updates. You get no choice as long as you're online. Now, I actually, as I mentioned, there has been a history of this because essentially the Windows Insider Preview has worked this way for most of its life. But the thing was, not everybody knew whether that was just a quirk of Windows Insider Preview because Windows Insider Preview does all kinds of weird things because it's a preview or whether that was a new feature and Microsoft wasn't saying one way or another. Well, today they said, basically, they didn't come out with a blog post about it but they put it in their terms of service. So we know now that this is the way it's going to work. The register did cite a training video that says that the Windows professional version will have eight months before they will be cut off from security updates in order to be able to have, in other words, to encourage them to allow updates. But eight months is a long time. You probably will be able to fix any issues here. But here's what it means. Windows 10 Home, you buy Windows 10 Home, you don't get a choice, that's it. Windows 10 Pro, you have to switch to the current branch for business and delay the updates and that's the eight month window. After that delay period, you won't get security updates. If you're Windows 10 Enterprise, you're living in a whole different world anyway and you get long term servicing branch, you can defer features for years. Also, Microsoft confirmed a venture beat that Windows 10 will be available in USB drive for purchase, just as a side note. If auto, okay, auto updates, are they a good idea? On the one hand, I can see the, hey, keep things patched. So my folks in my family who aren't as technologically proficient, always have the latest patches without thinking about it. But you've been able to do that because it was already by default on, why take away my ability to turn it off if I'm a more technologically proficient user? Windows XP, it's not for technologically proficient users. You could argue that this is about Microsoft forcing new services on it that we may or may not want. We'll have no choice. And the truth is, is like, look, Windows Home was $119, Windows Pros is $180. If you want to buy it off of USB stick from amazon.com. And the thing is, is like, I think it was last summer, 20% of the machines on the interwebs, most people were scanning where Windows XP box is. Or this is a Kopersky story of one that stands out, like 20% of their users are still running Windows XP. Huge number of unpatched Windows XP boxes are still just on the web, be in bots, getting assaulted. And Microsoft, I think, is frustrated with having to deal with a lot of problems based on people not fixing things that have patches. And I think that's the number one thing right there, is they just want to lock down every user to be committed. It's like, hey, we're going to give you this operating system. We're going to give it to you for free. And we're going to make sure you don't screw it up because you're going to have to update it. We're just going to update it, deal with it. It's one thing to do that with security updates, but what about features that either break another piece of third-party software for me, or take away a feature like the start button that I love, or change the way a feature that I love works more likely? I mean, again, I get where- It's got to move, Maverick. I mean, because yeah, I mean, that's where it gets. I mean, on one hand, I'm really curious, given the number of things that they've stuffed into Windows 10, right? Because I've been using it every day. Outside of that, one week in May, it's been pretty fabulous. The 3D Builder software just got loaded in. There's just a whole bunch of new stuff in here, and they correct so many of the issues I had with Windows 8 that every time I leave my Windows 10 machine, and go onto a Windows 8 machine, you can basically just hear me hammering my skull against the desk that I'm sitting at. But I think they just want to gain more control. Alla Android, Alla iOS, Alla to a certain degree, OS 10. Now, you can opt not to upgrade for OS 10, but Windows at the Build conference was very adamant about this is a new Windows experience. We want it to be consistent from the smallest devices to the most powerful desktops. We want to have all of the features. They want things to migrate cleanly between them. Okay, the phone stuff they basically walked away from last week. But for everything else, they want to have a clean, consistent experience for their users because it was very about experience. It's about experience, what a consistent experience, what this experience, and in order to have the experience, they have to make sure, oh, well, our new changes to this or that or the other thing all have to be updated. I think it makes, I mean, from a security standpoint alone, I think it makes perfect sense. And once you're doing the security updates, I think they just figure they're gonna do the feature updates, and for the vast majority of users probably aren't even going to notice. Well, and that's the thing, right? The vast majority of Windows home users already live this way. They're not gonna notice a difference because, again, updates are turned on automatically when they buy a new computer and they don't go turn it off and so the computer just updates itself. And again, you can choose still to say, don't reboot without asking me first or reboot automatically when I'm not using a computer. So you have a tiny bit of control there. But like you say, most users aren't gonna care. The users that do care can buy Windows professional and get on the current business branch and be able to delay the updates for up to eight months. But that's an $80 tax. Because it's an $80 difference between the USB versions of Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Home to be able to do that. Microsoft's not in this to do it for free. They're in this to make money. And it's, oh man, it's funny. I don't have, I'll be honest with you, I have automatically updated everything on Windows 10 and Windows 8. I am pretty much, I have one last Windows 7 machine and I pretty much automatically update it with whatever Microsoft throws at me. I have had less issues with Windows updates than I have had with iOS, which just bothers me to say as much as I love my iPhone. I still wait at least two weeks for any major update on the iPhone because there have been several that have slowed down older hardware or created other issues. And that's a primary concern. Like I don't want Microsoft to stuff stuff on my machine until other people have run it and I know it's okay. And I think Microsoft is just gonna level the playing field. And they seem to be moving fast enough that I find this a little less scary than it would have a year or two. Yeah, it was Windows 7 where I finally switched from saying, I will tell you when I'm ready to update to saying go ahead and download stuff and prep it. Just let me press okay first before you reboot and install everything. And so this bothers me less now than it would have before. So they have won some trust over the years. Let's get to living with Windows 10. You've been living with it. It's been your main machine, right? It's been my main machine. It has been on my primary desktop production, my main machine I use at home, that I use at work, that feeds my family, that we create, Shannon has her own machine, but that's the machine we use to create tech thing, techthing.com, YouTube.com says tech thing. Sorry, trying to do a Dvorak there and did it very poorly. And I love it. The interface alone I think is a huge improvement. I mean, I was saying before, every time I leave that Windows 10 machine to go use Windows 8, I'm always like, why the stuff did they put, I have to do this and this and this to reboot my machine. Again? This is not free BSD. I don't leave it up and running for nine years. You know why? Because it doesn't work. So why did you make it this hard to get to the stinking power button? The charms were such a great theory that just didn't even remotely. I know a couple of people who have made them a huge part of their everyday and they're kind of upset about Windows 10 and charms. But the vast majority of people, I know they accidentally flick the side of their monitor or drag their mouse in the right spot. The charms show up and they ignore them. So at this point, the start menu alone, a little iffy on Cortana. I think Cortana is a little needy. That's the most gracious way I can put it because in the last couple of versions of Windows 10, you basically have the little search box. The search box is great. It's like, I want to do this, I want to do this. And it gives you local options, internet options. But Cortana is always sort of like, because I think they're doing it just to try to get people to use Cortana more, the voice interaction, the voice control. So it's always like, how can I help you? How can I help you? What can I do? Hey, do you need anything? Hey, talk to me, talk to me, talk to me. So you think Cortana might be Clippy's daughter? I think Cortana is the reincarnation of someone I had a complicated and difficult relationship in junior high school that called my house every 15 minutes. For many people that is also Clippy. Yes, so yeah, there's, I like to think that the way they've set this up is because there is a small, mostly advanced user base using Windows technical preview right now. They're just trying to make sure you take Cortana out for a spin. And it's interesting. I'm trying really hard to sort of embrace Cortana and Siri and whoever else wants to talk to me. And mostly I keep finding out that it's just easier for me to click things myself or to type into a browser. But I hope, because like the stuff they demonstrated to build was so amazing, or the idea that you would have contextual search, like Cortana, find me a flight to Cleveland on Wednesday, preferably on United and Cortana's gonna knit all that information together for you. It's a great theory, you know. But if you had to say, okay, Cortana aside, two best things, two worst things about Windows 10 versus Windows 8 and 7. Edge browser seems pig slow. And I'm sure that's just a combination of my desperate need for everything to open instantaneously. But I think the edge browser and walking away from Internet Explorer, it's been interesting talking to developers, friends of mine who are developers about Internet Explorer, because on one hand they all hate Internet Explorer and they don't use it, but they have to program for it professionally. So they are excited that there's gonna be sort of a clean slate and a fresh thing. And then they realize that all of these nightmarish, they have to sort of, now they're gonna have to support Internet Explorer and a new browser. But the best thing, flat down, the best thing for me is the start menu. As ridiculous as that is, it is such a huge part of how I use Windows and will continue to use Windows. Because touchscreen support doesn't do a whole lot for me, the Cortana stuff is interesting. Hands down though, the stupid start button, it just makes Windows so much easier to use at this point. Did you get a chance to play with continuity at all since they rolled that into the preview? Some, I don't have a Windows phone. I've played around with some, I've got some Windows convertible tablets. I like the idea, it's a good theory. But the reality is, is for most of the things where most of the things where continuity would be particularly useful, I'm going to avoid using a tablet or something else because I type so much faster with an actual keyboard, for example. The basic idea I think is really, really smart. I have some serious questions about like, so let me get this right. I'm gonna start the spreadsheet in the office. I'm gonna get on the train to Connecticut. I'm gonna leave the office, I'm gonna ride in the subway, I'm gonna be on Metro North, and I'm gonna pull out my tablet, or I'm gonna pull out my phone. It continues to make all of the tools available within the context of my current interface on my handheld device so I can work on my spreadsheet in my little tiny window. And it's like, it's a good idea. I just don't know, it's a clever idea, but it seems like one of those things that engineers come up with, because it's really, really cool, but not because necessarily a lot of people are actually going to use it. And again, with Microsoft effectively abandoning the Windows phone platform, I'm really curious how much that's gonna work. Well, I think I wouldn't personally say they're abandoning it. It feels like what they're doing is demoting phones to surface level, which is like, we're gonna make a couple to show how we think it should be done, but not try to blanket the market with them. Which actually I think is smarter. Yeah, but you're also talking about, let me rephrase that. Windows basically walks away from Nokia, or what was internalized from Nokia, because in no small, the biggest reason they're walking away or they are de-emphasizing their relationship with Windows phone is because it's less than 2% of the mobile market. Yeah. It's just... And Sachin Adela, I would guess, says, I would have never bought it if I'd been in charge yet. Well, what are they thinking? You know, they're bringing Cortana, like the beta for Cortana out on Android is out there. Obviously, they're very much like, boy, we kick-ass at desktop operating systems, boy, we've got this major cash cow with our office tools, and let's just make those available on everything and try to keep dominant on that. Yeah. I don't know, that makes sense. So thumbs up, thumbs up for Windows 10, you're saying. Thumbs up. It's been stable, it's been fast. I'm really curious about the added in 3D stuff. Just starting to play around with that. Mostly, though, it fixes everything you found irritating about Windows 8. You need to go subscribe to Tech Thing if you want to hear more of Patrick's thoughts on this because I know you'll be talking about it more there, as well as on this week at Computer Hardware, I imagine. Yeah. Well, I'm kind of excited. I get to sit down with Microsoft Tuesday next week and get some hands-on quality time and see if there's any last-minute features that are going to be added in. I will say Paul Thorot is still the man. Oh, yeah. As far as Windows is concerned. Oh, no. Absolutely. All right, in fact, we're going to try to get Paul on before the launch to talk about Windows himself. So we'll have a little more as we get closer to the date. It's July 29th, is the date when it finally drops for the insiders. Who knows when it comes to regular people in waves. Well, if you haven't signed up for it yet, it's tough. You know, I'm going to be very interested because I reserved it immediately and I'm an insider on my main computer, but I have a laptop that I don't use the same Microsoft login for. That's a Windows 7 laptop that I just got. And so I signed up and reserved through that account. I'm interested to see what the delay between the two will be. Let's take a look at our pick of the day. This is from Samuel in semi-Sunny Pretoria, South Africa. In the last episode with Veronica, we were talking about Facebook Messenger and Veronica said she wished for an alternative. Well, there is one. It's called DISA, says Samuel, D-I-S-A dot I-M. It proclaims itself as your messaging hub, so it's like a universal inbox for messaging. It seems like it's like Adium or one of those Twilio, not Twilio, was it Twilio? No. But one of those like universal instant messaging clients. It works through plugins. At the moment, there are plugins for SMS, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp and Telegram. Also has push bullet support. The framework is open source, so anyone can develop a plugin for it and it's currently in beta for Android, although they do say iOS is coming soon. Samuel says I've been using it for a while now, find it quite good, although being a beta, there are some quirks like messaging, taking a while to arrive, but I'm sure they're working on it. So keep up the good work. I much enjoyed the show for here in deep darkest to Acra, Africa. Thank you, Samuel. I had not heard of DISA dot I-M and I can't vouch for it because I haven't used it, but Samuel seems to like it and it looks really interesting. Send your picks to feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com and you can find my picks at DailyTechNewsShow.com slash picks. Now I made a big mistake yesterday on the show, Patrick. Uh-oh. I told people to email me about my very determined opinion that SIM cards were useless and I got those emails that I asked for. A representative email came from VJ who says I found it quite strange that you and Allison thought SIM cards were unnecessary. Being from India, I think they're indispensable. They give the consumer the freedom to change their provider for a better deal or use more than one provider on a dual SIM phone. The SIM is very handy when you travel as well. I think yours might be a very US centric point of view since most carrier phones do not have user replaceable SIMs. I think Apple and Samsung's bid to change the GSM SIM standard is very suspect and potentially anti-competitive. The GSM SIM in my view has been one of the most democratic standards in mobile technology. I think VJ has nailed it because, one, I mean, no disrespect. The rest of the world's been paying for their phones, which means they're not getting, they're not locked into a two-year contract. They have the opportunity to jump. And I think they were probably horrified overseas when you suggested that SIMs were useless. Now, you're absolutely right. I got several emails along the same line. Patron Craig, or if you've been to Nertacular, Craig said, the SIM card was actually designed to make it easier to change phones because they contain the subscriber and carrier account data, as opposed to that information being stored on the phone. Before the advent of the SIM card, the carrier and subscriber information had to be on the phone itself and weren't easily changed. However, with the advent of over-the-air updates and mobile data in general, the SIM card is not as important since carrier and subscriber information can be programmed into the phone over the air. And this is where I was trying to go. VJ's right that SIM cards aren't as useful in the United States, and that certainly colors my interpretation, although I have used SIM cards while traveling in Canada, in Italy, and found that very handy to be able to just pop one in and use my phone with a different carrier. So I understand what he's talking about. And I understand in the world where your choice was, have your information stored hard-coded on a CDMA phone, or have a GSM phone where you swap SIMs out, SIMs feel like independence. But what Craig points out is, these days, what they're suggesting, what Apple and Samsung are suggesting is, we have data. We can program the SIM card, reprogram it over the air. We don't need to physically pull something out and move it around. And that was the point I was trying to make yesterday, is that, think about it this way. If you had to go to your ISP, you wanted to change ISPs at home, right? You want to change your cable or your fiber or your DSL line. And you had to go to your new ISP and get a physical object for them that you had to pay for, and then bring it home and put it in your modem and pull out the other one to be able to change ISPs. That would seem silly, right? Like, why can't I just put in a new IP address and a new table and say, oh, I'm connecting to that ISP now, right? I know it's not an exact metaphor because you do have to get a modem and all of that. Yeah, but I think it's more of like, SIM cards are sold kind of everywhere in most of the world. They're not that hard to get ahold of. I picked up my last one. And I get that that's better than not having SIM cards and not being able to change. What this new system is trying to say is, what if you didn't have to even go to the store to buy a SIM card? You could just say, oh, I want to switch providers right now. Who has the best rates? I'm doing it right on my phone. I don't have to pull anything out. I don't have to change anything. Boom, I've changed providers. That's what's being proposed. If it ever works that way, it would be awesome. Granted, that's a big if. Like, they haven't got it working that way. But that is actually what's being proposed. It's a beautiful theory and I like it. It's a beautiful dream. I think it's actually gonna happen. I think it's gonna, I'll be curious how well the carriers and like Samsung and Apple will play together. Well, it's Samsung, Apple and the GSMA. So they've got the carriers listening. There's hope. Anyway, that's all I'm saying. I get the people are saying, yeah, but the carriers won't allow that. And if they don't, you're right. It's worse. I get that. But if it works the way Apple and Samsung are proposing, it would be changing SIM cards without having to pull anything out, which would be ideal. That would be ideal. Jeremy said, after the discussion on the July 16th, so I wanted to make the case for sleep tracking. The data is valuable. If you go to a sleep specialist, you'll have the ability to quantify improvements in your sleep and share them with a doctor. And then Christian said, I've developed an appreciation for raw unbiased health metrics years ago when I first started wearing a fitness tracker and discovered I was getting much less exercise than I thought. Even though I was jogging and going to the gym several times a week, I was and remain less interested in technology that tries to tell me what to do and much more interested in technology that gives me an accurate and objective perspective on myself. I found that the one thing I got out of the month that I wore an Apple watch was that I don't stand up nearly as much as I thought. So, you know, I see what Christian's talking about there. It's an interesting perspective. Yeah, especially if the data is actually accurate. Well, and that's the big thing, right? Especially with heart rate monitors and stuff, they're accurate tish. They're not medically accurate. So you got to be careful there. But, you know, again, more information is better and I'll agree with Christian on that for sure. And that's it for the show. Thank you, Patrick Norton, techthing.com, T-E-K-T-H-I-N-G.com. Go watch, subscribe, consume, enjoy. Thank you, thank you very much. Thanks for having me, Tom. Yeah, you bet. And you've got the Microsoft interview that you're gonna be talking to them about. I'm sure that will trickle out but anything in particular to talk about? Yeah, well, too. If anybody has any questions, send me a favor, email askattechthing.com or tweet at Patrick Norton. I'm gonna ask as many of those questions I have in the time I'm allotted with Microsoft. I'm kind of really curious to see what they have to show us because I feel like they've got something up their sleeve. Just one more thing. Oh, you think they've got another surprise to leap on us, yeah? I can dream. I can dream. Hey, if I can dream about universal, like, seamless carrier switching, you're certainly allowed to dream about that. So go askattechthing.com or on Twitter. And are you recording the interview with them? Will it be part of Techthing? No, you'll just pass along what you found. I'm just gonna be asking a lot of questions and writing information down. And it's anyways, because Shannon's actually traveling next week, so we had pre-recorded an episode but thinking we're gonna do a special mini episode just to go over the Windows 10 stuff because Windows 10 is so close. I'm so, I'm really excited. Are you, are you? I actually am really excited. I can tell. I just, I love new operating systems. It is fun. I actually am hoping that that laptop that I was talking about will get the update within a day, because I wanna update it live at Nerdtacular. Where is Nerdtacular? In Salt Lake City. Oh. So I'll be on stage with Scott Johnson. I'm jealous. I'll either be updating it to Windows 10 or I'll just be putting mint on it. No, Nerdtacular. Yeah. Meanwhile, Len Peralta has had the challenge of trying to illustrate the Windows 10 force update. And he has succeeded. Len, amazing. Thank you so much. You know, I don't know if it was, I was watching this video on this weird haunted house called McKinney Manor, or more so probably to, it's an homage to Berkeley Breath that coming back with Bloom County. Little build a cat here in the bottom there, but it's reminded me a lot of something that Berkeley Breath would have done. And yeah, this is called mandatory Windows update. And for those of you who aren't watching the video, you just have to go and take a look at it. It's a pretty forceful understanding of what an update might look like if people don't really want the update. It's a user being forced to take an update. Go to LenPeraltaStore.com to take a look. I'm on there right now purchasing it. Oh, excellent. Yes, it is at my store at LenPeraltaStore.com. And also, I just want to remind people that if they like the art and they want to support me in a different way, I have a Patreon. And you can actually, if you back at a certain level, it's a DTNS lover level, you'll get every single one of these as a high res PDF or JPEG that you can use on your phone or your desktop, whatever you choose. It's amazing. It's cool. It's fun. Thank you. It was a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun with this one. This is so good. It makes me want to pick even more obscure topics just to see what your mind does with them. 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Suck on this, Windows user. Rootforce updates. Dark Redeemer, Rootforce updates. I like that. That's a good contender. Oh, nice. I see Tesla's Schwartz is as big as mine. Lunacrispy. Oh. This is so great. Tesla's going to plaid, which, you know. Great, it's along the same lines. Microsoft makes modernizing mandatory. Mm. Alliteration. Alliteration from Tynewidehead. Emergency Patrick. Fetch the emergency Patrick Norton. Yo. Going to Norton's speed. Let's see. A force to be updated with, which I like. Dark Redeemer has the poetry. Dark Redeemer, I think, is a poet. He has the soul of a poet. Yeah, for sure. Tesla skips light speed, ridiculous speed, goes right to ludicrous speed. Right. It's technically called ludicrous mode, but I do like Tesla. It's called ludicrous mode. And we said it both ways, right? Yeah. Well, I announced it first ludicrous mode. Yes, that's the way it's written. Because I actually wrote it first as ludicrous speed, and then I went somewhere other than the Verge. And I was like, wait, it has a whole different name. It's real. Well, and when you first wrote the plaid joke, I was like, oh, I wonder if they even mean ludicrous speed? Yeah. And then after that is when I found the press release where they referenced the plaid. I'm like, oh yeah, they totally do. They totally meant it. So let's see what else is on there. Bum bum bum. No up doubts for you. Ten forced good, buddy. Good to see you. Nice, Fred. I'm voting that one up. Let's see. Patrick, are any of these turning your head at showbot.tv? I kind of like a force to be updated with. Yeah. I don't know. Ask me anything about what you can't do. You know, Jenny McCarthy will hate when you say it's awesome, but entirely too obscure. Yeah. The face of spam, you old prospector. Forget it, Jake. It's Windows 10. I'm a sucker for a tie to town, quote. Always, always. Len, any of these tripping your trigger? I'm looking. I actually just, I wasn't looking at them here. So I'm going to look at them. Well, group force updates is good. That's a good one. That's the top vote getter. Maybe we should just go with that. I, of course, like ludicrous feed too. Yeah. It's Friday. We needed your joke, joke. Ludicrous feed. Jenny, do you have a favorite? Oh, I like when nailed it. That's a good one. Well, that is a good one. I'm going to vote that one out. Oh, some of TinVac made a really good, weird, maybe unintentional ludicrous. No, never mind. I changed my mind. Ludicrous fringe. Brute force updates. Brute force updates it is. Yeah. Winner. Although I will pour one out for emergency Patrick. I'll just thank emergency Patrick. Yeah, thank you, emergency Patrick. You know what I actually really like about what just occurred today is Darren found his own replacement, which is awesome, which is how it should work. We could just call it hack five Friday. It could be Patrick or Shannon or freaking Sarah. I think that's actually a great idea. I mean, Darren always has his spot when he wants it. But when he can't, he's got this whole bar sum of awesome people. Oh, look at this. Yeah. Now, let me ask you a question. Yeah. Are you not allowed to put the Windows logo in something? Do you think they'll sue you? No, I'm not worried about it. I mean, it's just one of the purity of the window. Yeah, and to be honest with you, I mean, it's not really their logo. I mean, it is their logo, but it's, you know, it's either the NFL or Star Wars or Star Trek. Well, look how far away Patrick Norton just went. Yeah, well, I'm porch casting today. Yeah, you're like so far away. That perspective is crazy. Can you be in a rocker? You know, if I will get a rocker for next time. If Apple didn't sue me for the Apple Beach logo I came up with, then, yeah, they're going to know. I love it. It looks great. And I love the cat. Oh, Bill, the cat, man. Yeah. I love the brick breath is coming back. Is it breathed? Is that how you properly say it? Yes, breathed. Breathed. I've heard Mr. Breathed. Where does that come from? What's that? Is it Welsh, breathed, or is that just a dream? Good question. I don't know. It isn't actual. He didn't make it up. It's not a pseudonym or anything. It's his real name. You should do a documentary about that. I haven't seen a good documentary about Berkeley Breathed either. Breathed, surname. Why is he shoving that white chocolate Hershey's bar in that guy's? Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. It's certainly not a Windows logo, because the Windows logo has four different colors. No, the Windows 10 logo is white. It's all white. I'm defending you. Oh, yeah. There you go. I don't know what you're talking about. It is a white chocolate bar. Sorry. You're like the guy at Silicon Valley who got on the stand. Oh, yeah. What does he have, that potato cannon? Is that the guy? Is that what it was? Is that the guy who just getting promoted for no reason? Yeah, for no reason. So he works on the whole thing. And the XYZ Labs. I love that show. Oh, my god. Yes. I just clicked a click on the origin of Berkeley Breathed's name, and I got blink and spammed so hard. And it's talking to me. Yeah, there's a lot of genealogy sites that are growing. I can't even get out of it. That's what happened one time with Darren when he told me about some piece of software that I checked out. And then all of a sudden, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I remember that. What do I do? You got to restart, I think. No, no, you could just command Q out of the browser. But that's going to take me out of this show. Oh, crap. So wait, no, you can't. How do you close a particular window, Patrick? Or a tab. If you can find it. How many tabs? I mean, do you have like 3,000 tabs open? Or do you have like a command W? I'll be right. Leave this page. Oh, my god. That is the most traumatic thing that's happened to me in a long time. That's good. Yeah, that is good. That is good news. Command W, yeah. That's true. You're right. That actually isn't. But yeah. So now how do I find out about Berkeley Breathed? I'm now going to find out. Well, you do a search. Just don't click on that one again. Do it on somebody else's machine. Do it in rendezvous. Do it in Vivaldi. So mad. That was so stressful. Breathed. Take a deep breath. Yeah, see what you did there. I am smart. I am so smart. SMRT. All right. I got to get something to eat. Len, you're the best. Best. Absolutely. That was awesome, dude. I know I'm the best. I know. You should. You should know. And I'm going to email you about our launching a mini documentary series that's going to open with that story. Oh, for real. I love it. That hit my sweet spot of things I absolutely love, which is where are they now? Well, plus I have a personal interest in it, just to figure out where are those guys? Where are they? That's really cool. Yeah, let's talk about it. I'm really excited to send you an email right now. All right, guys, it was good seeing you. Yep, good seeing you, too, man. I probably won't see you for the next two weeks, I think. Next week, I've got to go down to the Cleveland Institute of Art to see my son's show, and then you guys are under attack here. So I won't see you until August. I'll sharpen my charcoal pencils. Boo. Not for the charcoal pencils, but for the missing Len. No, for the lack of Len. All right. Enjoy Ant-Man. Thanks. Everyone should. You have mismandatory. You must enjoy it. It's in the draft. Dear patrons, please host the Ant-Man. We bought you all tickets. Yeah, I have 805 tonight at the Grove in three day. Nice. We haven't actually planned to see it yet. And we both want to. We just got to figure out. I'm super excited about it. I wrote you a joke in current geek that I feel like is probably going to lose it, because it might be perceived as being spoilery, even if it's not spoilery. But you haven't seen it yet, right? So how can it be spoilery? Because just by osmosis, I picked up the things I kept hinting about. So I'm not going to say anymore, obviously. It has to do with a large hadron collider. I'll put it that way. So the story in the future, I'm going to just shut up. I'll shut up now. Actually, am I the only person who didn't know that Berkeley Brethren released a new Bloom County cartoon? It happened on Monday. Yeah, that's brand new this week. That's why we're all having him on our mind, actually. I just assumed you had him on your mind, because he's awesome, and you guys are awesome, but now I'm like, oh my god. So the three-year-old in the potty training is apparently just completely divorced me from all culture at this point. It happens, huh? Yeah, it was a really lovely comic return, put it that way. So you think that joke will survive? Yeah, I don't think it's spoilery. OK, good. Because he's small. He's Ant-Man, of course. That's fair. That's fair. The problem, I won't say what the problem is. Here's the thing, saying anymore could be spoilery, because you're putting a flag on it and saying, this is really important. You're right. You know what I mean? That's like when people call me out for spoiling something that I haven't actually read or seen, and then I say, actually, you just spoiled me by telling me that was a spoiler, because I wouldn't have guessed. OK, so I didn't say anything. Don't worry about it. All I think when I read that is like, well, yeah, because he's small. All right, fair enough. Take back, rack it back, cut it out. Done. So they stopped doing RSS feed marked by default in SoundCloud. Just been driving me nuts all week. I kept going, like, why is it not showing up in the feed yet? And then I finally figured it out yesterday. So instead, in another step, that's productivity hit. I'm going to charge him for it instead of my bill. Good luck with that. I still haven't figured out how to put all my episodes and iTunes on FeedBurner. And I looked at every single option, and I wonder if they just took it away. Yeah, maybe. As long as I know that it's a Tom Merritt approved answer to just go to the website and look for old episodes. Yeah, it's not ideal, but it's the way the web was meant to be used. One page at a time. When I was young. I'm going to need to change your diapers. So I'll just do what I normally do. OK. Or something else I need done with that. Oh, good news. I did hit the $10 sale on this on Amazon. Oh, I'm waiting for that to be on instant streaming. Tom McBook wasn't as good as I hoped, but that's good. Kiki's delivery service. Dr. Kiki? Not quite. No, not the same. This is magic, the largest favorite. I am out of the post, ladies and gentlemen. So stay tuned for current geek coming up later after several mini documentaries about how many documentaries are made.