 Okay Before we start tonight's meeting, I just wanted to have a moment of silence for one of our own employees and several other members of the local community that We're impacted by the boat accident down off the Channel Islands early Monday morning So if you could just give us a moment of silence as our hearts go out to Those involved. Okay. Thank you Next item roll call shows all of our board members are here There's a notice that there is a public hearing scheduled for September 17th regarding receiving input on the triennial triennial report on public health goals And so then the next item is the consent agenda or anyone On the board that wishes to remove an item Nothing here anyone in the public. All right, I will move the consent agenda Moved and seconded all in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi post Thank you The next item is the oral and written communications This is a time where the public can address the board on items not on tonight's agenda You know of three minutes each Becky Steinbrenner, I'm sorry. I thought you were still talking about the public hearing I didn't realize you had moved on to the consent agenda and I did want to pull Item 3.4 from the consent agenda. That's already been dealt with and voted on It was not clear to the public that you were on to the consent agenda I said consent agenda after the announcement, so I'm sorry But now it's a time for public comment on items not on tonight's agenda in my time I will address the pure water so cal schedule in the consent agenda item 3.4, I Want to make it clear that? I am pursuing this vigorously and I take great offense when your general manager tells members of the public in Public meaning that the case has no merit as my communication says he's not an administrative law judge And he has no right to Disqualify the case publicly in that manner So I would ask as I did in my letter that you preface all opinions personal opinions with those qualifiers. I also want to ask on the Agenda the pure water so cal schedule it talks about in 2020 the final design of the Injection wells you've already got one built you've already built the twin legs church Injection well And so I feel that that is disingenuous to say that and also that you did that work without any final Anti-degradation evaluation of impacts of that well recharge testing to the ground water and That is not Acceptable I also want to say that I Really hope that you continue to reach out to the live vote community. It does not cure and correct the illegal That you did not contact them at all after the revised scoping period to include the treatment plant in their neighborhood That is a disadvantaged community and I feel like you took advantage of them and ignored the public outcry that you were Experiencing in your own neighborhood here in so Cal and swept it under the rug in live oak. I Finally want to contact communicate about this new policy on communications nowhere in your board packet Are the communications? I have one and it is available on the website, but it does not It is not included in with your board packet and I discussed this with you last time Director Jaffe asked that it be discussed and it is not on the agenda yet So I would like to ask your board to put it on the agenda for next Meeting and finally I would like to ask that you do some weed abatement in the West Annex property. Thank you Is there anyone else that wishes to address the board on an item not on tonight's agenda? No, since I asked for it to be on the agenda I'll leave it up to staff to determine What the best time for that? Yeah, and when one small step we did take in that direction if you look up on the Screen and I think we're on this screen right now. We're not What you can do is you go right to the agenda we think it's a much better kind of a best management practice To link it directly to the agenda that it's related because often people submit things again And they'll show up in the minutes of the meeting in the next meeting Packet which makes it hard for people to find so if they go here to this link that's in the agenda and it shows You can go right to the all letters and submittals not just the letters Submitted but sometimes their PowerPoints presented at last moment and they'll be congruent with the time But we'll bring it back as an item, but this is just a small step in trying to Again make it as easy as possible in the public. Thank you other public members should address the board on items not on tonight's agenda Yes, my name is Scott McGilveray. I live in a live oak and I have been here before to let you know about the water conditions in Santa Cruz because They're your neighbor and they have extra water, so I'm going to give you an update tonight Last year as we demonstrated there was enough water to supply Soquel Creek with 500 million gallons from North Coast water in Santa Cruz and This year there's even more water in the North Coast. It's about 15 percent higher. We're not done with the year I also like to point out that if you look in this morning's Sentinel you can see that Locke Lohman is at 97.3 percent So that source of water has not been used and of course the Santa Cruz Did not take any water for the fourth year in a row from San Lorenzo River in the winter to put into Locke Lohman The reason I bring these up is to point out there is abundant water and to make a suggestion I attended the water commission meeting in Santa Cruz last week Spoke with two commissioners on the side and they would entertain a Proposal from Soquel Creek to increase the time period during which you can receive water from Santa Cruz the CEQA permit at the present time limits that Time period for transfer of water from November through April now here. We are at the end of August 1st of September There's abundant water that could be transferred that doesn't put Santa Cruz at risk So I'm asking and I'm hoping that this body will put together a communication to Santa Cruz that is publicly available because We need to know in Santa Cruz to urge them to accept the proposal to buy some water from Santa Cruz at a price Commensurate with what you'll pay for the operation and maintenance of pure water. Soquel. That's I think $2,000 to me $2 million a year about $4,000 an acre foot. This would be very good I have a whole other minute This would be very good for your customers be very good for seawater intrusion issues Won't bother Santa Cruz at all Rosemary Menard announced a new policy in Santa Cruz. Well a new plan She's trying she calls it no regrets items Where we can do items that we will have no regrets about and with this amount of water in the system Santa Cruz would have no regrets by sending you the water. There is no risk of their system To be incurred by letting water come to you So I hope that these facts would be of interest to you and that you might consider that. Thank you very much Thank you Thank you. Yeah Thank You Scott. I just you know This is a good year My my concerns what happens in bad years what happens with climate change But I I will pursue Talking with water commissioners to see what what what they might entertain Yes, ma'am Hi, Dr. Heel He was one of my son's teachers at one point in time. My name is Chris Kirby I live in seascape close to where Tom lives and we've lived here for 22 years our bill used to be about $80 every two months With a family of six. Yes, my sons have moved out and our bill now is $253 we're not doing we're actually we're we've reduced water usage because there's less of us Somebody said something about me having a green lawn. Yes, we do have a lawn in the front because we have two dogs I do not want my dogs peeing on a plastic lawn That won't get washed off. It's just not good. So the lawn works for us because we do have dogs Seven 2007 our bill is $25 a month. It's now 250 What? How are people on fixed income supposed to support this kind of water bill? I am not for the recycling plant. I think there's other solutions after talking to Scott and Becky There's other solutions and I don't feel that you people have done I mean, I'm sure you think you've done your homework, but what Scott just proposed makes a total amount of sense to me It's a it's a ton of money I feel bad for the old people that are on for our people not they ought to be old to be on a fixed income They cannot afford this on Aptosia on Facebook on next door people are bitching and moaning continually I mean, they can't afford it and you people work for us We are the owners of the municipality and I don't know why you think you have this endless checkbook It's not there these people. This is hurting people This does this recycle plant does not seem like the answer. It seems like there's so many other choices So I I just you need to be aware out there that people are talking and I know I wrote a letter and I got this blah, blah Blah blah blah letter this canned response. I Don't think you're listening You people worked for us and I think all of you should be recalled I think we should I mean somebody has suggested that and I'm like, oh God Just what I need is another thing to do You need to listen and make Look at all the choices because this recycle plant scares the hell out of me. What about the chromium 6 in our neighborhood? I have so many women friends who have breast cancer more than the average of one and seven It's way more than that two of my breath my book club people. There's six of us have it right now I'm not willing to drink this recycled water That you think is going to be pure drugs that pharmacy stuff doesn't come out of it The I guess the the fake sugar doesn't come out of it now plastic plastics are in Tahoe water. I don't want it It just seems like there's other choices And I had on a fixed income a lot of people cannot afford these increases Thank you. I am I did offer I Did offer to meet with with you and no one has contacted me. So you want to discuss In that in that letter there was it's specifically the last paragraph said dr. He was willing to meet with you and discuss this because I there's There is I would say contact me and pick the time and I'm happy to do that But I think there is a lot of misinformation out there And I'd like to be able to listen to your concerns and talk to you about it At time your time's up your time's up right now. That's an offer that I still hold out there My name is Tom Stumbart live in Aptos Ever since I began coming to these meetings There have been people saying That there's plenty of water available Without you or silly project You're costly silly project Now are these people all lying or what I've heard that the city of Santa Cruz is Offering you water and all you have to do is ask for it and you won't ask for it. That's what I understand If I'm wrong, please correct me you're wrong The city has never offered you any water Well, that's a surprise to me because I've read that they have and that you won't ask for it now There's plenty of water available without this project. Why do you insist on going ahead with this? totally out of sight expensive situation now to back add to that My understanding is that We were told that I Was told that my rates would go up five dollars a month, but they're going up more than that more than five dollars a month and They're going to do that for the next four years I don't appreciate being used by You folks for you're at Grand Iceman's I Don't know what it is that you insist on This silly project when there's I've heard and I'm sure it's true That there's plenty of water available to you folks All you got to do is get busy and figure out how to get hold of it and use it instead of this Silly What I know how many million dollar treatment facility you intend to Put online But there's one thing that is for damn sure. Excuse me There's one thing that is for sure and that is you cannot Remove all of the Harmful stuff in that water by even by sending it through Reverse osmosis you cannot remove all of the impurities and if somebody gets sick or dies That's on you guys on you Thanks Anyone else I'm Corey Tamplin. I live in Aptos. I Don't I don't know much about water and you know, I just noticed my bill went up and I Never been to a council meeting like this. So I don't know what sort of interaction you guys have But I was just kind of looking at like that. I Barely under my understand my bill as it is but you know just adjusting that that first tier To allow for like what the average like family of four uses like so we called down and They told us that like on average it's 50 gallons per person per day about and I don't know if you guys are open to kind of adjusting for that that first tier to kind of be more congruent with Like what does common families use? I don't know what the Process on like voting for that is I just know that like it jump it jumps dramatically You know from that six dollars to like twenty nine dollars right away. And so like Like considering like sort some sort of like Gradiation that kind of goes up Higher not that such of it a huge hike it really it makes it it makes a huge difference And I don't know if this is a forum to kind of talk about that or like I don't know like how you you you pull that sort of like Model, you know, I'm sure it's kind of I Don't know what it's based on but maybe you could kind of speak to that. I don't know Thank you More time. Oh, okay So it's not it's not an exchange. I actually have When everybody's done talking sometimes we'll we'll ask for staff to respond to certain questions, so we'll try to try to do that But we don't have a back-and-forth question answer Okay, well if you'd like to You should come to the district of the people the Front office can talk to you about it. And we would be any one of us on the board will be happy to talk to you about it But if and how he came at those raids. It was a struggle. It's been a real struggle. Yeah. Yeah, okay Thank you I'm Just let everyone speak there Good evening. My name is Mark sugar. My family and I have lived in the district since 2004 and We've seen a lot of things happen in the district like my bill keeps going up and we've done a lot of the conservation Measures that you've asked us to do the low-flow toilets the shower heads the don't flush every flush The landscaping I know a lot of people let their lawns die but it seems like we're doing a lot but the price keeps going up and Doesn't quite make sense to me the Yeah, there's You keep saying there's saltwater intrusion there's all kinds of things happening and I Know that you have just drilled the well over by Twin Lakes Church. I guess to Percolate water Down into the aqua for And My question is is another question is where are you getting that water and wherever you're getting it from how you're gonna get it to that site that I don't know if you intend to Do a lot of pipe work and Excavation and things like that, but that really sounds expensive if you're getting the water from The Sanctuary's treatment plant Seems like you'd have to cross highway one somewhere that just sounds tremendously expensive and Projects like that, I'm sure my water bill is going to go up and I Just I just don't like that. I'm I'm against that My water bills go up and now I'm the one conserving all the water Thank you. Thank you anyone else Good evening folks, my name is Chris Weber Rio de Mar del Mar. First of all my condolences for your peers or friends that perished in that voting accident. That's That's unfortunate. I just wanted to echo what two of the other individuals just said a couple minutes ago My wife and I were somewhat surprised with our water bill this past month. It was four hundred and twenty two dollars We don't have a large house and we have all the low-flow stuff The one thing I did notice is that the tier two rates Had gone up 350 percent this month versus last year at the same time. So I just wanted to Point that out and say that that seems like a Rather large increase there might be some reasons and again, this isn't the forum to to dive into that But I just wanted to make that make that known to you. So, thank you. Thank you understood Okay, mr. Basso your copy And a copy for the record. Let me sign that copy I haven't started yet Okay, I'm Colonel Terry Maxwell and I'm a rate payer and a customer I'm well informed about the conduct of this board this water district for decades now Having learned from people who've been customers for 40 years and many of those 40-year customers are very sophisticated And they consider this board to have behaved for 40 years and negligently in many respects, especially the last 25 Now I'm submitted another document for you to put in the record the permanent record Consistent with the Brown Act and other both federal and state law requirements because you're subject to the Federal Freedom Information Act By the way because the federal dollars you're both seeking and in some cases obtaining The subject of my document is abuses of miss Becky Steinbrunner by the Soquel Creek water district attorney mr. Basso at all involving the wrongful culpable complicity illegal actions approvals and directions of The entire Soquel Creek water district board and its senior management officials Ie. Messers Duncan and do for and also mr. Basso at all To violations of the public trust by all members of the Soquel Creek water district board of directors and individual senior management officials Such as messers Duncan and do for and also mr. Basso This is delivered in person to you for your record and copies available. I ask that each one receive a copy Hey, miss Becky Steinbrunner has properly filed the legal action to compel this board and Senior staff to comply fully with the California environmental laws and statutes that are in place to protect the health safety and legal rights prerogatives of all of us residents water customers ratepayers and user consumers of this district This becky miss Steinbrunner is a lay person She has courageously generously and most ethically properly filed a legal action to compel your compliance with the law Which you have not done you've not considered all alternatives for example Asking you to fully comply with the California environmental laws Clearly you've acted in attending had mr. Basso file an action to seek Outrageously a sixty five hundred dollar sanction against miss miss Steinbrunner who's done nothing but try and stand up to protect the public Nothing could be more wrongful on ethical Prejudicial Absolutely torrid of you and you're all complicit in mr. Basso's unethical wrongdoing towards miss Steinbrunner I will say what mr. Welch said in the McCarthy hearings to the very evil performing Senator McCarthy, mr. Basso public remembers this have you no honor? Have you no honor mr. Basso have you no honor board of directors here? Why do you abuse this lady who's asking you to simply comply with the law? You're fair to do so makes you all complicit additional wrongdoing and if the second I urge you as I say in here with direct your attorney to immediately withdraw this outrageous motion for sanctions that he obtained from an equally ethically Troubled and handicapped superior court in this county. Thank you Do anyone else that wishes to address the board? Seeing none then run you out of Comment yeah, I mean I I can understand the way Some people feel we took about a year and a half long process with many members of the public to do the rate Development so on a I'll pull up a couple things just to to show that are related to their questions Let's rate chart local From we have this over here So just a couple things that may help separate from some perspective because I certainly understand your frustration The oranges are rates are new rates for this year. The other ones are other local agencies You can enlarge that if you can Shelley So San Lorenzo for examples Santa Cruz's rates are higher outside the district. This is before they've raised her rates These are with our raised rates this year, okay, and they and I know all these agencies have big projects coming up So let's go to them. That's just local, but the next slide Is more regionally we took agencies our size. This is off a stat State database the they're sorted by average bill or whatever is this directly off their database and we're in the for agencies Our size. We're not even in the middle. We're lower middle as far as cost now I understand and let's go to one other so that's just where we are today. I certainly understand I Think it was Gary with the large family, you know a tiered structure is very hard The way it is now on a family such as yours We were challenged in court and lost on a more tiered structure So we we have to do what's just a file by the state by the state prop 218 so Sympathies go out to large families with this kind of structure But every agency I know in this area has a tiered structure the higher you go the more you pay We just happen to have a two-step most have three or four But the next one is is there water available and that seems to be a big question the gentleman who left earlier so let me go go to that one, so this one is from the city of Santa Cruz and This was correcting. I think an editorial from that gentleman I did not say that we don't need a supplemental supply project. So this is talking about our supply project I think it says in fact I said the opposite is from the director of the Santa Cruz water director Santa Cruz water and Then if you go down to there and it says right there in fact I said the opposite we would have water available to transfer just the opposite So this is coming from the city of Santa Cruz water director saying they do not have this refuting the Acquisition that you heard tonight. We go down to the fourth or the red right there right there. You got it It talks about cost. I Don't believe in this case particularly believe that it would be Cheaper and They're water than ours and I'm going to get to an engineering statement in a second particularly if we get more funding We've already gotten over two million dollars for our customers if we get additional funding So then there's another memo won't show it even goes on it was published I think June 5th or something they came out saying they Definitive modeling analysis showing not enough water matter if I pull that memo up We'll just show a chart and then we'll close it with the engineering analysis Yeah, that's it, I think maybe that's not it. That's all right. Let's go to the one at the top So go down to the table three So and I met with all the I met with the water director from the city of Santa Cruz San Lorenzo Valley the county All of us water directors today met we met free we meet frequently So we're all of it always sharing things this table three here is what people talk about We had an engineer do this Brown and Cal well They're a well-known engineering firm and they compared the river transfer options Even though we're gonna plan on doing some of that because resiliency is the key But if you look at option one in the in the left to an option to those two You can look at the bottom line there the cost per acre foot acre foots enough to serve four households So one option is about eleven thousand dollars the other one's about six and the other one's about five Pure water is on the right and that's the cheapest option so what we're trying to do as staff and the board is Find an option that supplies the water in the most environmentally and Financially sound manner there is a lot of misinformation out there We've taken a year and a half on this process just for rates on this Besides working with the city of Santa Cruz for several years. This is their handwriting. This is not ours Would we love to have inexpensive water? Yes. Is that illegal to their customers? Yes How can they give us water cheaper than what they charge their customers? They can't do it so Those are some slides we presented earlier. I had them on there I just wanted to I know that some of you come in here with with differing levels of information You're certainly welcome to contact me. I'm Ron Duncan the general manager and I'll share more with you a bit You know Privilege to do that. Thank you. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Ron, and I will just say that Also, we do we aren't we wrestled with the idea of trying to somehow someday do water budgets where You know there you account for the number of people in a household It wasn't feasible this last go-around, but I'm surely open to looking at that again because it does make it Hard on the people with more people in the family. It's just that's and it's not a completely fair system that way So right thank you for showing those Are there places on our website where this information is? I believe all this information's on our website. I'm seeing ahead Back there. I think if you go under Community water plan It'll be they're under there or pure water soquel depending on what is directly related to yeah I think we pull everything. I know it's there's a limited staff, but to the degree that's possible I'd like to make it easy for the public to access this. Okay, they're not on there We'll make sure maybe I think they are but maybe easier access or easier to find or something I haven't been on the pages recently, so I don't know it might be fine now well, I know it for me the same kind of thing happened and I thought it was because my mother was staying with me and she was using the bathroom more and it turned out I had a Toilet that was not running all the time, but sporadically was running and it My bill went from like 70 dollars to 250 for three months So the other option is to see if somebody From the district can come and see if there's any kind of leak because that's what I eventually did Could have saved myself a lot of money if I had checked All right, so we're gonna move on Yes, Bruce. I have a free thanks to mention. Yeah Some of the confusion may be that we we didn't experiment with the city of Santa Cruz Which allowed us to bring a little bit of their water over here. We had to pay for it It was like three hundred dollars an acre foot and we that was going on. This is the last year of that, so And I know some people would like us to continue that But unfortunately the city has already been sued by some of their customers because the three hundred dollars were paying is a lot Less than what their customers are paying for and that's illegal if it if this wasn't a limited time experiment I think the city would have Possible things to defend that And you heard from Scott earlier. He was saying four thousand dollars an acre footer thereabouts Notice that currently what we pay for water I mean what what it costs us to pump it out of the ground is a hundred and fifty dollars an acre foot So notice going from a hundred and fifty dollars an acre foot to four thousand dollars an acre foot and you can see Why we're having to raise rates That four hundred four thousand dollars an acre foot will probably be more than what the pure water because pure water We can get grants for we're looking to get half that Facility paid for by grants and if we can do that then it's a lot cheaper than what we're ever going to be able to get From the city for and that's that has been repeated by the city of Santa Cruz over and over again they've also said that They do not have enough water to solve their problem and our problem. So if we go with the city If there's a drought we don't get any because they need it for their customers And they actually need and pure water so Cal is the only thing that makes it sustainable in this community We've done modeling the city's done modeling and it shows the only thing that allows the city's transfer and Then return to work is to have pure water putting 500 million gallons of water into the ground every single year whether it's a drought or no drought and in terms of water quality The pure water for example Orange County's been doing this for like 40 years They do 100 million gallons a day of purified water and their water is pure than our ground water And our ground water is probably 10 times pure and the stuff the city is pulling out of the river I used to be on the regional board and we put the city and the county on notice because there was Excess nitrate in that river water and why was that you go up the river? There are thousands and thousands of certificate systems that some of them haven't been maintained in 50 years And so all that stuff that people flushed through their pills or medicines everything goes into the river And they have a treatment plant to kill bacteria and so forth But they don't have a treatment plant that's designed to take all that stuff out of the water like pure water is Sorry, and the time for public comment is passed now. It's a time for board comment And so in terms of purified water, I don't want to drink the city's water I want to drink pure water because that's going to be the purest water we ever have here Okay, anyone else? No, no, okay. We're gonna move on to item 6.2 Which is to prove funding for structural evaluation of Pringle reservoir? Good evening. So earlier this summer the state every three years comes and Does a survey of our facilities and this year they did notice not that it wasn't there in prior years It's just this year as they pointed it out There was a buckle in the Pringle tank And there's an image of it up on the screen and they've asked the district to provide a Assessment from a structural engineer to verify that it's not Compromising the reservoir and so this it was not budgeted for Not accounted for so we're asking for that to be funded through operating contingency reserves Sounds reasonable and it was required The only question I have is They've already just to confirm that they've already done enough of an inspection that the additional work does not require more inspection They don't need to visit the site anymore. Okay, they've done I got enough information from their first visit Yes, but they do not need to return But they still need to perform some of the calculations right. I just wanted to make sure they didn't need anymore. That's correct All right Visit and they do not I'm not gonna do Inspection and I get I get that but the AWWD 100 Yeah, they're gonna run some calculations on on the tank based on where the location of the buckle is to see how much force there is on the On the tank and this thickness some mathematical tests. Yeah Mm-hmm Questions or comments board any public members wish to make a comment on this item See none. I move approval. Oh second moved second all in favor. Aye. Aye opposed Motion carries unanimously. Thank you Next item is 6.3 To fund emergency main relocation on Warf Road Yeah, another Item that was not included in the budget on August 14th The county of sanitation district was in the process of replacing their sewer main They're digging it out and replacing it in in the same place, but they did Find one of our water mains up on the hill here up under the trestle And After that was repaired they continued to work on their project and they found that our water main back in the 60s was Sharing the same trench above the sewer line and so they're unable to do that work until we relocate the pipe and so that is Plan to be done kind of as a time materials approach That we've already bought the materials and they're going to supply the labor and equipment to do it under our direction That's about 360 feet So this is We hope a very a high estimate, but we didn't want to have to come back to you But we do want to get authorization prior to moving forward And it'll be billed at at cost Plus profits, and I think the standards require that water mains not be on top of the sewer mains that they'd be separated correct That's correct. Again. We have to do this. Yes So is this an opportunity to put in purple pipe recycled water pipe at the same time location It has to be separated has to be separated. Yeah, this is our our distribution system. Yeah, I understand that that the The water main has to be separated from the recycled water main The purple pipe. Yeah, and well, this is the actual sewer system the sanitary sewer that the county is working on So we don't want to put purple pipe near that anyway, so Yeah, not in this situation, I just urge since we there's Potential source of recycled water to whenever possible lay the pipe down so they can get to houses get to parks, etc Okay, thank you doesn't sound like it's Opportunity Any public comment on this item Okay, I'll move approval of both motions All in favor I opposed Motion carries unanimously. Thank you 6.4 update and direction regarding the stormwater recharge evaluation. This is a really interesting. Thank you Yeah So back in 2016 the board directed us to evaluate the possibility of collecting stormwater and using that to recharge the groundwater basin and so Since 2016 we've done a number of different kinds of paper investigations and and mapping investigations as well as some field investigations and This report here is the results of the most recent investigation that we did to assess the feasibility of using stormwater for deep infiltration It it's the most thorough and so it's built off of all of the work that's been done to date including the dual EM electromagnetic survey where we use that technology to Try engage with the first 30 feet of soil looks like And the locations that we're looking at there were several locations at the seascape golf course as well as the County owned facility detention basin at 38th and Bromer Avenue and so The the county's actually been spearheading This part of the investigation was support from the district staff and so they retained MME engineering firm to go out and basically for the areas that had been identified as Most feasible and the dual EM study to collect additional borings in those areas as well as percolation tests And so the results are in the table here The findings indicate that there's a couple locations on the golf course That look the best of the sites that we looked at One of the sites at seascape golf course was not feasible at all As well as the 38th and Bromer site because the depth to ground water there was very shallow So that that was unfortunate because that's a you know big stormwater collection area The sites at the golf course that looked the best included the 14th fairway and That's an area where the golf course has identified a lot of erosion and other problems with flooding That site looked like it could collect about 12.8 acre or 12.4 acre feet of water and get that down into the ground if 12 dry wells were installed That location is somewhat remote. It's located Kind of at the edge of the golf course and you have to go away Ways through the golf course to get equipment down there so Feasibility wise it's probably the the harder site to work with and so the cost of that in addition to the Number of wells that would be needed for that amount of water is pretty high. It's 2800 acre feet per year and In these cost estimates, I want to stress that they're very preliminary. They don't include Staffing time. They don't include permitting environmental permitting requirements And they're just based on preliminary design. So You know, the next step would be if you know There was a desire to do more work that we would go back and refine Possibly for the the sites that look the most feasible those cost estimates and do some additional design work The other site that looked good at the golf course was this Los Altos south site, which is located pretty close to the clubhouse And it's more accessible area. There was a little bit less water available But only six wells are estimated to be needed to get that water down into The ground possibly You know, it's still there's still some uncertainties about that And it's really hard to measure You know whether you can actually get that or not. So these are just engineering estimates and that was $1,600 per acre foot so What we're kind of recommending is the next steps After we see what kind of funding we can possibly get working with the county and the county possibly pulling in other partners into the project because the project does have other Significant benefits such as flooding prevention and stormwater pollution prevention. So pulling in the county public works department and possibly some other folks to You know move this project along and help fund it also looking at some grants. There's some prop one grant funding that See our Ryan with the county as looking at there's also some stormwater funding grant funding that's coming up so we're going to be working with Sierra to kind of keep our eyes on that and You know move ahead with with those applications if if we think there's you know significant chance of getting some funding for the project but you know, we don't know what partners are going to be involved and How much it's you know, ultimately going to cost so What we're suggesting is that we we continue to keep working on the project And that we come back to the board possibly after the start of the year You know five or six months from now with an update on on how things are looking and Get your feedback and see if you want us to pursue Any further work with district funding? We don't have any money and our budget this year for stormwater recharge and so It would be good timing to come back to you before we start putting together next year's budget if and see if you're interested in and you know approving any funding for this work I Appreciate that work and I really Like the fact that it's got multiple partners. It's the perfect one for that. So that it's not just district customers Mr. President. Yes, I don't think it's a conflict, but just in the interest of full disclosure I didn't realize that Mme was doing this work. They did it for the county Mme is a tenant of my wife and I and my sister-in-law. Okay, I had nothing to do with the county contracted with Mme And we didn't have any any funding in that so Carla Did you Of course too, especially for the top one Seascape Yeah, I think that's probably the site that they would be most interested in because it's where they have the biggest amount of damage from flooding and erosion But it's also the most expensive and with 12 wells That would possibly interfere with golf course play to install those wells some of them are Located, you know, not that not off to the side of the course, but actually kind of on the course It's a big drainage that comes out there. So it's created sinkholes and other problems for them Yeah So I'm certainly supportive of this especially like Tom said if it's a multi agency project So one of the obvious decision points is when we have to put money into it, but I'm curious how much time you would have to put into it To get to the point where we're able to make a decision on what the way we want to go or is it being done by others I Would say I mean the county is is driving it But I think they're very motivated to move the project along They put in a lot of staff hours and you know Well, this has been working on this project quite a bit In fact, she was really involved in the investigation and this report and Finalizing this report so it does have an impact on staff, but You know, it's it's worth looking at I think for you know to see what kind of funding we can get It's obviously not going to play much of a part in our water supply shortage and Yeah, so bringing in other partners and and hopefully at some point we could pass it off to somebody else And they could run with it and they'd have the wealth of information and all the work That's already been done Okay, and another question in I don't know if you've dealt directly with the golf course the new owners But are they aware of seawater intrusion problems? They're very aware We've met with them multiple times. In fact, you know, that was a big You know, we had to explain why we're proposing to do what we wanted to do. We've met with the general manager Multiple times they've been very supportive and as well as the new ownership and they've also expressed an interest in in the project So, you know, but they could possibly be a source of funding as well Well, certainly after the discussion earlier tonight about cost I think all of us are very sensitive to that So I think one of the keys is that we not get into this until we have a good idea that this is a good investment for us And we can certainly you know take one step at a time and eventually reach a point where we decide Oh, well, this is getting too expensive and that's not a good thing to do So I think we should have a really sensitive breakdown of all the things that we're going to need to do So for example, we'll need an EIR or some variant thereof We're gonna need a regional board permit because we will be a Discharger by doing this and there are definite requirements for that So there'd be a you know monthly testing that has to take place of water quality and then reporting down on an annual basis And that's going to go on for the 20 years that you're talking about here So there's also the operational cost of the system and maintenance cost And so that would all have to be figured out who who owns this who's who's paying for all of these long-term costs Right and the regional board might well require that these not just be dry wells But processing wells so that you know the water that comes into them goes through various stages and gets processed Which certainly increases the expense of these dry wells. And so we need to look into all those things For one thing we need to have a discussion with the regional board. You know, how are they doing these things nowadays? The regulatory framework is a little uncertain at this point for stormwater recharge. So they're still It's just very confusing about what is going to be required in terms of permitting and monitoring and Yeah, water rights is also an issue Okay, so I've had conversations with the state water board and the funding Over the last few years it has and that's why I've been really Enthusiastic about doing this project. I know that they're looking for a good product good projects of this type to fund So I have no doubt that the county can find funding for it because they're looking for Multi-benefit projects and there's still money in prop one for that because there's not too many groups around The state that actually work together to get this kind of project And there might be agencies that need to do stormwater mitigation that might be interested in in this project is Their mitigation source and we're thank you because I know this is kind of my baby. I've been pushing it and I'm happy that the results came out so well Yeah, and we you know, we have a Grant person Consulting us, you know to help us. That's how we've gotten a couple million and hopefully many million more But when we see things that are interested to get slid to Shelley and shared with the county that that may be for just this We're not looking at just pure water We're looking at all potential options out there for a grant fund Just one point of clarification Director Daniels when when you talk about the regional board, I don't know that everybody equates that with the California state regional water quality control so any discharge in the state of California Yeah, we're in our region. Well, there are nine regions and we're one of them such a fortunate that you were a member Yes, and Tom Also, so we worked on chairs about it one time. Yeah, you know how it works. Yeah So the only motion is just to provide staff direction on desired next steps and I said we could come back sometime in 2020 with an update of What we've learned over the last, you know the next six months. I Want to see if there's any public comment on this item? Thank you Becky Steinbrunner. Thank you for that report. I was hoping there would be someone here from the city Miller engineering Because I read this report with interest. I've been really curious like director Lather to see what was going to come of this While it's not a huge amount of water I think it could with multiple projects provide Cumulative difference within the districts the basins recharge area. I I thought it was good news that they found such high groundwater levels in so many places I mean, and they didn't even bother to do any percolation tests at the Los Altos North Because the groundwater was at three feet below ground surface. That's that's great That's a good for this, but it's good news that the water levels the ground water levels in that area are high so to that end in the discussion on At the end by Montgomery and associates they talked about using some of this information Mostly I think with the Bromer Street place They would be using the US Bureau of Reclamation solution to estimate the recharge capacity That's a different system than MME used and suggest using For the sites that the district evaluated that's on page 101 Also, I thought it was interesting that in the discussion on page 101 by Montgomery Associates It talks about using the data that they from the monitoring walls that was used to Support some of the modeling for the mid-counted groundwater agency plan and its sites that it used information from spring of 2006 I Thought there was curious that such old information would be used when we all know there's much more current information. I Also had a question why the different sites that MME did Harrow Kasunich did the work that they use different size borings the Los Altos South site Which looks like it's the most promising they used an 8-inch bore and the others they used a 6-inch bore or a 4-inch bore and it seems rather Curious to me that for congruity of an experiment that you would use different size holes to do percolation tests That's on page 55. I thought it was interesting to that The groundwater going back to the groundwater levels at Los Altos South that were at first Stated as being perched at seven feet. This is page 55 and then went down to 17 feet and then it said they were at 75 If you have more questions for you to suggest you address staff. Thank you. I was hoping there'd be Someone here that could answer the questions for the public and myself tonight I think I can there be some thank you answer to my questions now your public comment. Thank you, Miss Time. It is done. It's on the agenda. You're allowed to discuss it You're allowed to make a public comment what you have and you've had your three minutes And if you have further questions, I would take it up with staff. You're very kind. Thank you very much Well Maxwell again, let me emphasize in the package. I've left for you all to receive a copy of Proposed corrective action includes this board immediately tonight sister may this item. Excuse me. This is on stormwater Well, this impacts the stormwater Let's come on be real be let's talk about this particular item Which we're just getting an update on the storm yet. Well on the stormwater You've neglected this board as neglected for 25 years at least to adequately recover stormwater making effort to do So you've also failed to look at the stormwater off the North slope and you've also failed to consider consolidation which would obviate your need for concern of stormwater and frankly the threat That Bruce makes about the state will take all this over if we don't somehow generate water Stormwater and others The state of California or the feds cannot fast enough take over the regional water resources of this entire region Do away with all of you do away with talking about stormwater. You have comments on that item Please keep your comments specific recovered stormwater for 25 years adequately. So you approve of what we're doing. Thank you You won't do it adequately All right, so you've got an idea about direction Just to come back great. Do you want to motion? I'll make a motion to Continue to to work with accounting To look at this option And figure out if it's feasible or not, and I hope it is Also, okay continue to work with accounting on this project and and other players Okay, make sure it's feasible and make sure it's feasible. Got it All right, all in favor Opposed and the next item is 6.5 Which is the last item of the regular meeting? This is our Sure. Hi. Good evening I'm honored to be able to present this item to you tonight to talk about the Youth outreach program that the district maintain and has for some time and also the proposal and direction from the board on The potential of expanding the youth outreach program to the live oak school district Included in the agenda packet is a pretty Pretty nice overview of the existing youth outreach program that the district currently maintains Which includes presentations materials teacher workshops assemblies and Middle school and high school presentations That by day he Campbell has been stewarding since 2001 Included with those we do hit about as I want to make sure I I described this One preschool 11 public and private elementary schools So, you know, we've probably had their premiere You know the school outreach in the in the county if not the United States for our size, you know power pack Pudge could use of the money educating the kids Not that just on our situation, but they're right that Align with the school curriculum. I know dr. Liu you've had her in Van science class your level year after year. I've co-taught with her a few times and so Knowing that and knowing that we're looking to put the purification portion of the Facility for pure water soquel in the live oak area because they're part of the the county groundwater and Agency Boundary and they pump groundwater. So they're also facing seawater intrusion as part of our outreach efforts with them They expressed a sincere interest and us expanding Our programs into that area and so that's what this is really about tonight And so what you see up here right here on that picture is one of the things that we thought would be appropriate And that's the school assemblies if I don't know Is it I've been to a few of these? Yeah, I mean they are absolutely amazing It gets the kids learning through fun singing songs and the feedback from the teachers Oh, yeah, I think there's a thing in here. It says 97 or 90 something percent there It is 91 percent response built at the value of the program, you know They approved and that's that's like an unheard of number But the ones who didn't were probably still laughing too hard from the show they put on but while they're doing that They usually incorporate some amazing water information as they go and they and they work with us to also incorporate be specific to our To our facility and we go down a picture there There is by and a person who she's worked with Stu Jenkins who can also go out and do some of this work if we so more as a consultant So and you know we it's not just Class assemblies it's it's it's individual presentations. It's field trips I think some of the people here have been involved with some of the field trips. I know It's the whole enchilada. It's that trailer that was built up for $8,000 and it gets hauled around We just got a call from Cabrillo. They wanted it out there for their kids to see it It's award-winning so that it's a whole package But what we're really that with this memo is about tonight is not just about this amazing amazing probably You know, I've said it before I just got to go in that direction The thing in the long run that so-called Creek will be most remembered for is when you when this board basically this board came on in Early 2000s, you know, you saw that that was the key. That was the key people get so confused about Water and prices and not understanding the situation so educating so by is educated those K Can their gardeners to where their voters now? You know, that's how long this has been going on with a sincere effort combining art sometimes with water and science to Videos you've done that year after year But drawing it back to this memo here what we're asking for and maybe go down to the motions is There's another assembly by Zoon Zoon organization is if you wanted us to expand this program out into the live oak area and we're What were we proposed here was the assemblies and up to 22 groundwater science focused presentations to these schools and What we really are proposing tonight if you're interested in both those is the ability to do up to that Do the current situation? We may not be able to do all that But if you give us the the authority will take it as far as we can and do what we're able to do It's really valuable. Yeah, totally supportive just Double that devil's advocate question. Mm-hmm advocacy versus education So is this a truly education versus advocacy? Yeah I mean you have to you know one of the main things when you go into a teacher's Schoolroom you've got you've got a line with that curriculum that produces that what's got to be taught So that's that's number one well and then I was just gonna say as a teacher who's had these presentations in the classroom I mean an example is one word You know different soil borings or are presented to the students and they have to figure out They have to figure out which might be a good water bearing one. Where would you put your screens? You know so they get to see what a well looks like what a screen looks like Yeah, but the what the cores look like and they have to do some critical thinking To try and figure out where they would put a screen So they walk away with a much better understanding of just ground water right plus have the ground water model Yeah, I've heard zoom zoom and it's Just really fun It's it's it's experiential learning kind of thing and there's there's a couple Companies out there that do it. I think the upcoming one is actually a different one We kind of rotate through to get a good thing for the buck Yeah, also, you know, I know Next generation science standards Right and There's one thing I didn't I noticed I didn't see Harbour high in there You want to see expanded more? Yeah, and that's a good that's a good question we contemplated that we figured if we went much beyond the kind of immediate We could certainly do that support prerogative But then we're starting to get into more MGA type if we you know We looked at the whole MGA basin and then thought well, that's an MGA maybe Endeavor this we could rel it, you know pull it into what we were trying to you know walk a balance a line You know what we thought provided the best. I'm not sure the school district Borders are for Harbour High. They might include some of the same live oak area. I just don't know mm-hmm So I think if we look at that, you know include that. Yeah Yeah, and there's science oriented. Yeah, and and Acknowledge that there's limitations on what we can do. Yeah, I mean, I understand it. Yeah, right. Let's try to get Do this because we have to be welcome in live oak area, right, right and want to provide them and they they Really said they would relish that and and not only that but the facility there to be an educational facility and I believe I Taught the teachers to teach right? So she was a teacher of the teachers Yeah, that's what you were getting at so invaluable resource to the whole community Questions or a comment? Yeah Well, I noticed that the assemblies in the elementary schools are largely about water conservation and I can't imagine anyone having problems with that But people surprise me sometimes But anyway, the other thing I think is that the price $6,400 is an extreme bargain. So we shouldn't even be talking about it. Just do it, right? This is so worthwhile. I like talking about it I think it's I mean It's also kind of nice for us to be doing something that the city of Santa Cruz should be doing since this is their area But we'll do it. Yeah, everybody has Constraints, you know staff. Yeah, we work together. So this is part of that I talked to their conservation manager today and he said he seemed excited about it if it would got realized. Yeah All right, any public comment on this item? Thank you, Becky Steinbrunner. I'm piecing things together here, and I just want to let you know. I'm really sorry. I Signed up for a gray water system installation through Cabrillo College Adult Education and Vi came and talked with that group and I was a Little bit I don't know if the word is offended, but I thought it was a very one-sided Communication one-sided education. So thank you director Jaffee for bringing up the question. Is this advocacy or education? I'm satisfied because it was definitely advocacy at Cabrillo College when I sat through that and I think that By expanding this to the live oak elementary. I I think you're trying to cure and correct the lack of public outreach in that disadvantaged community for your pure water soquel project when they could have had an opportunity for meaningful and informed public comment and This doesn't fly for that. I think it's interesting that You don't want to go to Harbour High because it's more in the MGA The live oak community is not in your district It's in Santa Cruz city water So if you're going to do this education and I applaud you for that I would like to have you include members of the Santa Cruz City water department Because that's who supplies water for this area of the county. It's not your district and to go out and essentially sell your project to a community that Has not been provided adequate public comment in the environmental process is disingenuous and Again, I applaud your educational efforts if they are truly educational But to make it a well balanced and well informed Educational presentation it needs to include representatives from the water district That sells these people these kids their families water and that would really support their More regional understanding of the the water situation here Where their water comes from? It hopefully will not come from pure water. So Cal Thank you. Thank you actually Wanted to make a comment when he's done On the point of education to school children and everyone else You should point out if you're going to be intellectually honest and legally compliant That this board and your senior staff and your attorney have failed to be Intellectually honest and legally honest with the facts in many forums and to the public Are you talking about the education on the education? I think you should tell that your education related to that you're educated simply your educational program has to be honest About the big picture and the big picture. Have you attended any of these matter of fact I watched one quite a long time ago if I think I think it's But on top regardless you have to in your curriculum should certainly content should include the big picture realities Legally and factually and environmentally number one the compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act Which you have not done which miss Steinbunner's evidence in fact she's put in the court record You're stretching proof You should also point out that this is in litigation You should tell the students at all levels why it's in litigation and why miss Steinbunner has very strong arguments that you fail To comply with the law you fail to comply with the law because you fail to comply with the technical realities and be honest about them That's Your curriculum that should be in your curriculum Education or not. I do an honest comprehensive education. Let's let him know It has it has three minutes. I'm gonna forget us that is that is technically and factually sufficient and adequate about the realities here And how we got here The overdrafting the negligence of prior panels of this board including some incumbent members now Those should be on the forefront of facing the facts and being honest with them and the legal Ramifications of the Environmental Quality Act in California required you to do look at alternatives And you fail to do that in the opinion of a Steinbunner And she is convincingly put in the court record that why that wasn't done This is nothing to do with education and the judge had a conflict of interest. That's a mile long And mr. Bossos conduct has been unethical towards her that's a Okay, I'll just say that it's a shame I wanted to add something Didn't know this was going to be talked about here but I'm one of the parents and Tara Edwards that contacted the district asking for a zoom zoom presentation for my kinder gardener two years ago and she still talks about it and The whole school attended and they were very impressed. So I just wanted to say thank you I also when I contacted didn't know it was Free for schools. I was expecting to have to raise some funds. So that was a very pleasant surprise So I just wanted to say thank you for the service. It's great. Thank you. Thank you so much Tom Stumball at us. I Just wanted to ask In your presentation to the school children Did you include the fact that treated sewage water contains elements of Pharmaceuticals that cannot be removed from the sewage water even When you treat it with reverse osmosis so that if They drink the water that you have treated and somebody gets sick or dies from Okay, we understand your concern you will Be guilty. We're talking about our education program right now, huh? Okay? You're stretching it as well We're talking about Presentations to schools. No, wait a minute. I'm talking about what you presented to the children Did you include the fact that treated sewage water being pumped into the aquifer will contain various kinds of Residual pharmaceuticals now we didn't make them sick. No, we didn't because that's not true We will present science wait a minute appropriate information show me show me where it says that's not true I've got multiple multiple places, but we're done with this. We're gonna go on to our education program Okay, we'll go ahead But be honest with them We are horse. Oh, I don't think so Okay, well if you're not telling them that the water that you're going to pump into their aquifer still contains Pharmaceutical residue then you're not telling them all the truth And that's the fact You know, I'll just say that I really appreciate your comment from experience It's disgraceful that people will politicize what's disgraceful you're done Wait a minute. He's not talking. Well, you're you're down. You're you're done with your public comment Tom is your son by he's you're probably talking about me. No, he was talking Please sit down sit down Again, it's disgraceful if any community members politicize the Honest teaching of schools and children And I think as testimony this lady here her children went home raving about it making a positive impact and you know this district will continue to operate in that vein to hopefully teach and Healthies kids understand how water works future water the current situation. So I really appreciate the board I wouldn't I wouldn't make this motion unless I thought that's what we were going to do so I'll make the motion and Moved in second and do you want to include investigation of harbor high? I will include that I'm You know to the extent that we can expand it I think this is it's good for the community and I was just gonna make one comment before we vote. It's just that I think What's gone on with the MGA is something that's also valid to teach To the kids, you know, especially the high school kids because getting the big picture for the whole area and seeing how the entire groundwater basin is affected including all of our district but also including The live oak area kids high school kids can understand Modeling and they can and they could you could you could even have lessons to figure out, you know, take the facts and have them interpret it so it just Right, and that's why we go in the individual classroom teaching at that level. I'm just saying it's just amazing I think the whole MGA approach of the whole area is Good to include. Anyway, there's been a motion and a second and I'd like to say that if Expanding it to Harbor High or any other additional activities like this, I would be willing to put more money into it So come back to us. Yeah All in favor I post Okay, there are now we're going to a Close session and if there's any public comment on the closed session that would be now and then there will be Couple of minutes to clear the room Thank you, Becky Steinbrunner. I'm the petitioner in pro per on the legal action. You're about to review Mr. Dufour handed me served me the document of the judge schmall's order denying my Fourth expert a application just to get more time. I Wanted more time for myself. I also wanted more time for the court To review the documents The certified administrative record for this case is 90 binders It's almost 80,000 pages of paper There will be many many citations to the administrative record made Both in my opening brief, which I am filing this Friday under court order and also the Your counsel's opposition and my reply This order only gives the court two weeks to review that information The court will make their decision on the merits of this case based on that information Judge schmall had to postpone hearing my expert Hey because he didn't have time to read the paperwork that was given him both by your two counsels One of which flew up from Riverside as she does every time and Myself now there was a misunderstanding on my part I had I thought I had to provide the judge with a paper copy the hard copy of evidence because that's what I've been told I had to do for the administrative record so I had probably about an inch deep of paper, but He didn't have time to read it So he postponed the hearing until Four or five days later and he came back and refused to accept any further paperwork that I had regarding more evidence to support my need for a time and to Vacate this order that was made by Judge John Gallagher Who issued the order and then within 30 minutes disqualified himself because he had disqualified himself in writing under voluntary statement of recusal Just two years prior because he'd been a trial lawyer with mr. Basso and he had represented the district for 23 years He voluntarily submitted his own statement of recusal in John Cole's case But never disclosed to me that he had done so I found out from John Cole So that's why I felt it was unethical and He had violated the judicial canons of ethics to make a decision in my case But he didn't see it that way so he made the decision to keep this very stringent order And disqualify himself. Thank you for keeping it on topic. Thank you on this topic I observed judge Gallagher's conduct regarding Miss Steinbrunner. I've observed mr. Basso's conduct towards her equally wrongful and ethical in both instances furthermore You've broken the law and failing to comply with the Environmental Quality Act and other provisions of California State law Miss Steinbrunner is trying to hold you properly accountable it is pathetic unethical and just unjust the behavior of mr. Basso towards miss miss Steinbrunner What you should do if you have any honor and sense of justice Immediately vote tonight or soon to withdraw any motions or request that this court proposing or seeking any sanction against miss Steinbrunner That's $6,500 proposed by your legal counsel is not only preposterous It's unjust and unethical and was an attempt to intimidate her her rights are Clear and her rights are seeking to protect every rate payer and customer and child who might drink the water But also to have you comply with the law which haven't done The board must immediately tonight vote also direct your counsels to withdraw any challenges to miss Steinbrunner's current pending temporary Restraining order and restraining order again for reasons that are overwhelming in the record Especially the full documented and honest considerations of the alternative such as Lockifer by Jerry Paul in the north coast surface water capture in addition Why do you behave so unjustly? Why do you direct your lawyer to behave so unjustly towards this very This very honorable woman who's simply trying to have you comply with the law that every other county and every other water district in California including this one has to recognize and comply with Why do you fail to do that? Why do you fail to show accountability towards the resources of this district? Adequate reflected in does this have anything to do with reflected in compliance with the environmental quality act off topic again Oh, I wasn't The act is for you to comply with Regarding the water resources and the health and well-being of the customers here very much on topic with the litigation Miss Steinbrunner has correctly brought against you It is just despicable The way mr. Basso has been able to wire and manipulate the judges in this matter such as Gallagher and Schmalls Absolutely clear as a bell to everybody who knows this county government and knows the courts here and those mr. Basso many people by reputation So he's a public figure. He's taken a public role in this. He's done wrong He's done an ethical and you are complicit with him and doing likewise The sooner the state of California takes this entire region over for water resources and does away with all of you The better it will be for the ratepayers the customers and the children and future inhabitants of this county Meeting is now adjourned. Please clear the room