 Hey everybody, welcome back to the Linux cast or as Zany is going to be calling today the Mac cast that the loser He's losing using a Mac. I'm sorry. I couldn't even make it like three seconds into this thing without making fun of you For using no less. This is actually the Linux cast We're supposed to be using Linux to record this but loser over there is not actually using Linux I don't know what the hell's wrong with him. It's gonna be one of those days where I just make Incredible fun of Tyler. I'm Matt. He's Tyler. He's using a Mac. What the hell is he using a Mac for Matt? What the hell are you using a Mac for explain to us? Well, my graphics card died and sort of the power supply And so it was going to be more expensive to get those two parts to fix my main machine compared to this M1 Mac and I had a buddy talk me into it and he's like Because I mean Well, he he is more of an Apple user in general Which I I should have known better, but I was like, yeah I'll go ahead and give it a shot because I can't go return it if I don't like it and Even though I can't run Linux on it and I'm not the biggest fan of Mac really all I want to get done is work in Blender and work on my game and it has Amaze me in what it can do it can handle me running like Blender and Unity Streaming all at the same time running my game at 60 FPS If not a little bit of stuttering which I can't fault it for it's literally emulating both Unity and Blender and OBS so it's It's pretty good and it's surprised me that Apple has made a price competitive product That being said, I'd love to get a Linux on it. That's I just Using a Mac Like I'm still 20 minutes ago still kind of like stuck on that point that you're using a Macintosh right now Do you to record a Linux podcast? It's it's sacrilegious. Yeah, it's a class for me I feel like people have been burning the steak for this So I would ask you what you've been doing on Linux this week, but obviously you haven't done shit on Linux No, it's it's also been I haven't Almost even used a computer in a week I've just been using my phone and getting a lot of like caught up on a lot of housework because When my those parts died initially, I thought it was my motherboard That was the problem and then got the new motherboard and it's not the problem further diagnosis led to it's the power supply and graphics card, so Yeah Well, so we can't ask you what you're doing. I've been doing on Linux this week is dying because I Installed pipe wire on this machine. Okay, so I'm blaming that a little bit But mostly I plugged in an Elgato cam like two weeks ago to try to record Some fedora for the channel on my laptop, you know recording over here and ever since that point things have just been fucking up left and right so The audio has I mean is been horrible because it Keep switching between input sources for whatever reason so I go to record a video and I get through halfway through the video And I realized the entire time. I've not been recording on this microphone. That actually sounds really good You know it costs lots of money You know it's been recording on this crappy ten-year-old microphone from the webcam. It's the Like come on Linux Linux you're 40 years old. Okay, it's time to grow up It's time to get audio that works and pipe wire is not this loop. We'll talk about pipe wire That's the main topic for this week, but I Mean we had our own problems last week We recorded this episode once already on someone who's using pipe wire and OBS crashed and so We didn't have Tyler's audio last week So I had my own problems with audio because my audio was like really low And it sounded like jackass over there using the Mac was fucking Was shouting in the microphone and I could not get the audio lo so we record this We recorded this last week So that was the audio prompts and then I'm also been having video prompts like every time I open up OBS There's no video. There's none Like it feels like something else is using you know how when something else is using your webcam and OBS won't show up The video it's like that only there's nothing else using the webcam I have to shut OBS down and open it back up for the webcams to show up. It's the dumbest thing It's driving me bonkers and and just to be clear. You're not using Wayland, right? No, no, no I'm on DWM in arch like using. Yeah, you know X or so it's It has none to do it like The thing is It's almost certainly come though the video thing almost has to be a compositor problem Because I've been having a compositor issue with pycom where sometimes my The stuff on the screen just kind of a casus seizure for like five seconds and like everything that jumps around like it's Being electrocuted. It's really weird It's it's just Don't use Linux use Mac The thing we need to talk about it. This is so dumb. I Haven't had this many Linux problems ever like I Like everyone talks when you first switch to Linux you have problems because you don't know tell you're doing I never had those issues, you know, the biggest issue I had when I first switched to links was the you We the UEFI shit, right and I had to do with Linux I was just me trying to figure out how to switch from you yet UEFI to legacy BIOS, right? That was the biggest issue I ever had Now, I mean I had other issues that were me caused by me being a dumbass, but those have never had anything to do with Linux This time Yeah, it's just it's been a whole week like a week and a half of just nothing working right and I Used to when this start like when I when I would have a problem that Came from an update or something like that. I just think I fuck it. I'm going to go through. I'm a new campaign I'm gonna put something else. I'm a distro hop. I've tried so hard not to do that because I like my setup right now I have you know all my window managers installed. I have all my dot files their way one to go to I have all the apps I need it's so good, but there's these little things right now that are just pissing me off and nothing's working, right? It's almost driven me to switch to a Mac Just kidding about that. I'd never do that At least one of us We can't we can't both leave now We'd have to change the name of the channel. Oh, we'd have to for sure Mac cast. I'm sure that already exists Well, I the one thing I will say though is I don't know if it's it may be something to do with Arch because for the first time ever Right before my computer had all of its complete issues. I tried installing Arch going from Fedora back to Arch and After the most like recent update where they added like multiple downloads and you know stuff like that Pi com was just I mean like Not working at all for me like I had it installed and I was you know executing it through my excellent RC file and It just like it. It was like it didn't exist And there was I can't remember what the other issue that I was having was but there was another just small quirk That wasn't working right after the latest update But I will say one thing with our should normally when that stuff happens just the next day if you update it's fixed So I have 220 updates waiting for me right now I'm kind of scared to update because I'm just worrying something's gonna go break because I've seen Some chatter in the telegram group for Arco where they're having some problems like I don't know if I want to update right now or not Especially when I'm already having issues, but I will say this the the simultaneous downloads in Pac-Man. Oh, so good Yeah, it's so good. I guess I saw the program. I was like Usually I would have to you know, I go back to my browser you go to back to a youtuber Whatever wait for it to die. I was like it's done like what wait what? It's so good But if it's like I've got fast internet here and with with those multiple downloads like fast internet makes me feel like I've got fiber I'm like, yeah, it looks like I was like I've got pios in this bitch, right? All right, so that was the weekend Mac as or as Tyler's meant to call it I'm let's go ahead and jump to the the Whatever the hell we call it the contact information God, this is horrible You can follow us on Twitter at the Linux cast you can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and all that kind of stuff It's a Linux cast at org that will eventually be a website I'm just a lazy bastard. Haven't gotten around to it. You can follow you can contact us on email The links cast at gmail.com again eventually will have a proper email address again much too lazy Facebook.com slash Linux cast you can follow Tyler on all of his stuff on Odyssey and YouTube links will be in the video description or in the Show notes and you can subscribe to us on YouTube at youtube.com slash Linux cast also link in the Description and you can support us on patreon at patreon.com slash the Linux cast so Each and every week we choose two news links one each and This week is no different. So Tyler. Why don't you go ahead and tell us what your news link is? Well, my news link hasn't changed from the original one that I put in there when we try to record it the first time but it's Linux Mint adds bulk adds a bulk rename tool and Also improved file search Which I just thought the bulk rename tool was a pretty neat feature for new users I mean like let's be honest Linux Mint very much is targeted towards new Linux users and In small tools like this Are great for new users because when you're when you're not an advanced, you know user and you're also on a new platform Like Linux that you're unfamiliar with easy to use Tools like this for you know when you're doing those bigger or more specific tasks Are great and I can attest to one thing Mac has a Much worse file system and does not have nifty tools like this just built-in I was talking about it before we started pressing record before we pressed record and started but In Mac, I don't know out of the default like maybe some crazy Mac user can explain why this is a thing But they default the file system or file browser to where you can just Create files and store them anywhere and you can stack them over one another There's no organization or like grid or anything to the file browser from the get-go That is the dumbest thing and it's so annoying and you have to manually select like sort by a grid in Every single folder on your system. There's a whole bunch of things about Mac that I I'm not a big fan of and I think Linux Mint For those people out there who are considering a Linux Istro Yeah, Linux has a much better file system than Mac, especially than Windows. So What do you what's your opinion on this article here, all right, so I think it's probably a good thing But it also reminds me of why I don't care for the mint developers are much. They always seem to duplicate efforts so much Always trying to do something new that doesn't really need to be done. So like Their file manager is called Nemo. I love Nemo. I think it's the best file manager, but it didn't need to exist Thunar exists, right? They could have forked Thunar and just made Nemo out of that and you know done some their own stuff But it doesn't seem like they did that it seems like they did Nemo from the ground up But the reason why I say Thunar is because Thunar comes with a bulk file manager It's not built in it's like a separate application. It just every time you install Thunar you get this thing I don't understand and this is not that this is actually something that they built from the ground up Or at least that's what this article says and I just don't understand. I don't understand their need to Duplicate effort. I mean, it's a big problem in all of Linuxdom, you know where developers just like well, I don't like really what you're doing. So I'm gonna do this thing from the ground up like Fine You're perfectly okay doing that, but it seems like a waste of time Especially especially good. Yeah, good. Well like for big developers like Linux Mint like when you're catering to a huge community Duplicating effort like that. It's just like everyone views your time It like whether or not the developers view their time as valuable the community views their time as valuable and when you're spending that valuable time making something that you could have just Copied from somewhere like I mean, it's it's free software. That's what it's there for copy it do what you want to do to it In much shorter time and they go about your life Like I would understand like this is why I preach on them to switch to LMDE is the primary Because at least that they want to create something original, right? And while yes, you're gonna still be basing on Debian It What you're doing when you're basing yourself on Ubuntu is just you're you're basing yourself on a copy of a copy Like Ubuntu itself is based on Debian If Linux Mint was based themselves on Debian and built their stuff from the ground up like they seem to want to do They should just do it, you know, you know, it would be it There'd be a painful transition period because it's not quite there yet And it doesn't have the support of canonical behind it, you know Because canonical does all the snaps and all that kind of stuff and but Linux make it doesn't use the snap store Anyways, they use what I think they use flat packs but No matter it's it just always feels like they're Focused thing their development time on things that they don't really need to do Because everything like that kind of just it exists and if you have other ideas like you said Fork it and make it your own, you know And unless it's like completely Different than I mean it'd be different if this bulk rename tool did something other than what other book renamed tools did But it doesn't it just walk renames files. That's all it does. Yeah, right It doesn't it's not as if you've come up with some kind of special sauce, you know That does this thing better than all the others. It's not I mean, maybe it's a little bit faster But again, you could afford something that was already there made it your own and slapped your name on it I mean, that's what they seem to want to do, you know That'd be fine. It just It's this kind of thing that always you know, I don't know if I really like mint, you know, I like I like I like the cinnamon desktop, but Again, since the cinnamon desktop All right, so at least with the cinnamon desktop it feels like they took What's good about mate and made it modern like it makes it feel like there was a purpose behind the cinnamon desktop, right? But with some of the other stuff it just it feels like complete duplication of effort and It's some kind of just like I don't know if I want to even be around those guys that their weirdness might you know Spread It's it's just very good. Like I've never really thought about it that way, but you're you're very right like what they choose to be unique about is It makes no sense. Like if you if you want to be completely unique do your own thing from the ground up Wouldn't you start with like the foundation of your distribution? Not just the small little programs that everyone's going to use all the time That most likely has already been implemented for like 20 years. Yeah, and you know Yeah, oh dear Linux mint. You want to do something original fix audio on Linux Like dude Go fix audio on Linux. Everybody would love you. I mean seriously, they would have your babies Seriously, I don't like Audio is broken on Linux. I mean for them We know that well at least audio works for the most part like we can use it Okay, we're using audio right now, but there are so many of these little problems that just break for everyone from time to time Go out there. Linux meant fix it. Okay? We will love you forever But it's not every shrines built seriously, we will worship you like the gods But they don't do that. They they make IPTV applications and they make Belk rename stuff that you know, I Have my problems with the Fedora people and the guys behind you know and pipe wire and Wayland I I I can understand why Wayland exists. I can understand why pipe where I guess I don't think and we're gonna talk about this later I don't think that they're going about the right way with pipe wire, but at least them They're taking problems that we know exists and they're fixing it not so much with genom But with why a little wayland and and pipe wire, right, you know With the Linux mint they just like we're gonna take something that already exists perfectly works perfectly fine make our own version of it and spend time doing that and Ignore the other props that Linux seems to have like like put your development I mean it'd be different if they were just regular developers like if they were just like like you said I mean they're running Linux is probably the second biggest Linux distribution out there in terms of Linux users Like obviously Ubuntu has all of them and then there's gonna be like that. Those are the for this for new users It's very very big and it You're right. It does feel like we value their time more than they do Mm-hmm, and it also seems to piss like that the Clem guy who runs it It feels like this stuff kind of stuff always pisses him off Like he always is getting so mad at Ubuntu and and you know All this other stuff and people not doing their updates and something like well That's good to be mad about it, but don't do I mean you're leading the team man Don't let them focus on this kind of stuff. Let them focus on the big stuff All right. Anyways I'm getting very worked up and it's all your fault because you're using a Mac Of course all right, so My News thing for this week if I can actually get this thing up here Yeah, is that Firefox 89 arrived with the quote-unquote from OMG Ubuntu a controversial new look so I'm actually gonna not show I'm showing the article on screen right now, but I'm actually going to change to Firefox right now with no cameras on screen so you can just see this what we talk Just for a minute And this is what Firefox looks like now and then I'm gonna switch back to this the split because I don't know if The audio will actually work They don't know if I have the proper audio sources set up on that particular scene and I don't want to mess that up But yeah, so it's Firefox has a brand new design. It's pissed a lot of people off some people kind of like it I still use user Chrome CSS, so I don't give a shit. I don't give any shits. It still looks fine for me I have other problems with Firefox Mainly that it doesn't actually Browse the web properly anymore, but Like you have one job and you have one job But yeah, so there's this they got these gigantic ass tabs up at the top if you use this without and you know any CSS tweaking and it is It's pretty ugly Yeah, I think that they're trying to do this to differentiate themselves from Chrome to make it look completely different But I gotta tell you Firefox the reason why people aren't using Firefox has nothing to do with what you look like Yeah Literally, so I'm using Firefox right now because good lord. I mean Safari works, but barely I'm not I don't have any problems with the new UI I Don't I mean I think the older version looked better, but either way I don't have really a promise just different in my opinion But you hit the head the nail on the head there It doesn't matter the the UI is the least of my worries when it comes to fire I mean if I had a problem with the UI I could like you said you see us I can change it It's it's not that big of a deal the the problem with Firefox has to do with everything that they're choosing to do as a corporation like That's really it Firefox doesn't need a UI change Firefox needs a clear direction and Make it known fire about 500 people including like the CEO and all those executives and go back to being just a browser company That's what they need to do every time we talk about Firefox. We talk about how How does this how does this come corporation? employee a thousand people like what is Like I don't understand like They give they they make they make no money right? We know this they make $0 right in fact they make negative dollars is what they make Somehow they end up losing money even though they get four hundred million dollars every ten years from Google and they take that money and They do a redesign every four years That seems to be where they spend their money and they say they also seem to Like I'm really happy that the thousand people who work for Mozilla have jobs. I'm never one to say you want to know what Let's not give these people jobs. Let's kick them out on their asses. Like I don't really want to be that guy but Mozilla is perhaps the most important foundation when it comes to open source software. It's it's it may be the one corporate one foundation, you know one I'm gonna call it a corporation, but whatever, you know, it's it's the one entity in open source That has the chance to spread open-source software Beyond Linux and all this like Linux itself is never gonna get below above five percent market shares It's never going to happen, you know, you know Other things that are open source and stuff like it's always going to be very small but Firefox had the opportunity to be The bastion of open source for normal people because people want different options other than chrome. I mean At least technological people they want something other than chrome or at least at one point. They wanted that, right? Yeah, they've lost that opportunity and The way they're running right now, they have no chance of getting the opportunity back because they're focused on weird shit You know, they're focused on the stuff that doesn't matter Let's start let's start a VPN like I understand the need to figure out how to get a different revenue stream other than Google but All right tomorrow, I'm going to be the CEO of Firefox. My first task is going to be really hard I'm gonna fire a ton of people like everybody that is Unnecessarily, you're gonna be gone. I'm sorry. I'm gonna write you glowing right letters. Are you taking a salary cut? Yeah Pay me a hundred thousand dollars, man. I'm good. I don't need to be paid four million dollars a year No, I don't get me wrong. I want four million dollars a year, but a hundred thousand dollars perfectly fine That's good money. You want it fine. You want to know what you don't want to get paid a hundred thousand dollars a year fine $200,000 a year double it, you know that even that's still acceptable. I guess fine I think she makes like two million. I think it was I think it's I think it's her I don't even know I can remember what the CEO's name is it doesn't matter. All I know is that pissed me off They like two point three million dollars. I think was their salary something some crazy number Thank you. Oh, come on. That's reasonable. No, I'm sure she has to work Really hard for that money that she didn't earn Like your your corporation makes no money. You don't get to pay yourself that amount of money You just don't okay? Okay, I'm just I understand you have kids to feed whatever you don't need that much money to feed your kids Wal-Mart is perfect I don't even think Octo mom needs that much money to feed her kids You know if it been five hundred thousand dollars a year I mean, yeah, it seems a little excessive, but I don't think anybody would care about five hundred dollars a year But you're a CEO of the biggest right open-source browser that in existence, right? So five hundred K fine, so I'm the CEO to I'm sorry tomorrow I'm cutting my my salary down to a hundred K, you know fine. I'm to me a hundred thousand dollars a year So I'm got some money to spend You know, I guess that's great. I made 20 K last year. I'm bumping that up by five, you know Yeah, so maybe maybe it's my perspective this thing like a hundred thousand dollars is perfectly fine But you know whatever Even if you're living in New York at a hundred thousand dollars a year you can pay your rent buy buy groceries still have money to save and I mean depending on how many kids you have if you've got plenty of kids then that might be tight But you're not gonna be living like Donald Trump. Okay? Yeah, yeah, but but you're not starving and you're not in some run-down And a hundred thousand dollars you make more than the vast majority of people on the in this country It vast majority of people in the world but anyways Pick up number one fire like 80% of the people like at Mozilla right like day one like I'm sorry I'm running. I'm running your recommendations You know But you're gone. Sorry. We don't need you. We do a browser 200 people to code a browser Plenty of people. Okay, I know that's cutting the workforce by like, you know, 70% Once that's done get rid of every single Extraneous project that isn't named Firefox like every one of them Like I'm pretty sure Thunderbirds already on its own But any other projects that we don't know about because they're there We just don't know about them. Get rid of them the VPN everything. It's gone. Okay Those are the those are the restructuring things that I do day one and then those 200 people that are left Make me a browser That browses the internet, okay This is the one job you have to do. Okay, make me a browser that browses the internet The same as Chrome does but isn't Chrome. Okay, I don't want to be using blink But I just want you to go through and make sure that it's completely compatible with everything that blink does In an open way, you know and just do that focus on that Don't go through and redesign the damn tabs. We don't need you to read that design the tabs. It's so dumb. I Get so upset with Firefox. I Think the only thing that I would add on to that I don't know if you just weren't thinking about this and would definitely add this on but I'm definitely gonna say a Part of that plan would be after you've removed those those employees because you have to think some of them are gonna have Severances like severance packages stuff like that. So you're gonna have to go to the board and be like, okay, look so We're technically sort of losing money right now But this is a huge marketing push because what we're gonna do after all these people are gone We are just focusing on the browser and we're gonna make a massive PR marketing campaign about us cutting like cutting extraneous projects and just focusing on making the best browser possible Make a good browser and then buy some TV time with that four hundred million dollars, you know You know, we never see is an advertisement for Firefox You're right, you know, you never see an advertisement for flex for you Let's screw everything. I just said Even if Firefox is just the way it is. Let's take some of the money and advertise for it now You know, mm-hmm. I like I'm like that's the one thing Linux doesn't had do Yeah, all very good Like I actually doesn't do it at all. It's just period. It doesn't do marketing Like if you used it just a little just a tiny bit of Margaret marketing for for Firefox people would you know go check it out? They may not stick around but some of them would you know, like I'm a stupid guy. Okay, like I can tell you that my I keep my my Intelligence is definitely not on par with like Einstein or whatever. I think I don't have that kind of ego I'm well aware of my limitations, but it feels like and maybe this is just arrogance on my part, but it feels like Solving Firefox's problems at least What I perceive as their problems is would be so easy these these things seem so obvious to me, but Apparently they're not that obvious them because they're too busy paying the CEO millions of dollars a year to do what? I'm not exactly sure. I'm sure they have like a COO and a CTO and all an entire board of executives that make millions of dollars And that's where the four hundred thousand four hundred million dollars every ten years is going like it's not going to the average Firefox developer He probably gets paid 60 or $70,000 a year Like you can make way much way more money going to Google and that's probably what most of them end up doing And I think that's sort of the problem We're we're talking about fire fought Firefox playing the long game and they're playing the short game How do we how do we pay like our employees and our board of directors and all that stuff the most money this year? Yeah, and that shouldn't be the focus Way too much time on fire We've been going for a half an hour already this is gonna be an hour and a half show we haven't even got to the main What it was even what yeah, yeah, the next the next topic is pipe where so We set ourselves a challenge We were both going to install fedora which we did and we both decided to use pipe wire At least some amount of time for a week and it's actually ended up being two weeks for me. You're using a Mac Remind everybody that you're using a Mac Can't forget I am a trader, but he did he did install Fedora I know he did because he's made videos about it and showed stuff but So that was our challenge was to use pipe wire on a computer for some amount of time for a week It like it ended up being two weeks for me and we've had we've had some Experiences with it. So your experience was pretty good. So why don't you tell us about your experience with pipe wire? Yeah, my experience with pipe wire was on Fedora Using Wayland as well and it was a it was it was good everything just worked The only issues I had with pipe wire were the same sort of issues I had with pulse except just I Didn't have the extra issues that came, you know randomly with pulse, but the The audio levels or like my settings for the audio devices being either Reset or just their audio levels not being exactly where I put them after a reboot That was still there, but other than that it worked I Don't know if pipe wire was the reason OBS crashed while we were recording, but it I mean OBS was working with pipe wire. I was able to record audio It it just it worked So pipe wire was good for me on Fedora Tell me your experience. I will start there as well pipe wire was good for me on Fedora And I actually have been using it pretty Fedora, I still have Fedora on my laptop. I've still been using it and I love how good it does it connecting Bluetooth Devices like it will it text my Bluetooth headphones connect some like on pulse You always have to go through and like go get into pulse the pulse the PAV you control and change Every time you connect a Bluetooth you have to change What type of Bluetooth it is between a headset and like a high-fidelity thing you have to do that every time it doesn't remember No fun and pipe wire it remembers like you don't even have to say it just knows that you've connected headphones Obviously you connect headphones you want to listen to music You don't want to hear like a car like the car speaker or whatever. It's really bad It worked really well, and I was very very happy with that now Once you've moved away from Fedora The experience is much different now. I will say this the extra week that we had because of Problems was actually good because I did actually manage to get pipe wire working a little better So pipe wire the way pipe wire works it kind of works in conjunction with Also in pulse audio like those things don't go necessarily go away It's kind of it takes those things and it kind of like bridges everything together And it's supposed to kind of interlock them and make them work better at least on these type of systems, right and It kind of does that But installing it was a pan-ass Getting it up and running was a pan-ass And once it did get up and running things broke like crazy And I don't know whether I did something wrong, which is obviously a hundred percent possible. I mean I do things wrong all the time But once it was up and running things like the audio kept switching sources I don't know whether or not that was a pulse audio thing It was still happening or like a legacy thing or if it was the pipe wire that was going crazy And the thing is I was only ever able to use pipe wire when I was in a desktop environment Because if you want tools to change like volume and stuff like that You have to have those tools built in and all those things are all GTK or in acute right now. They're all Built into a desktop environment using it in a window manager was not an easy thing like you have to have those things installed once you have installed you can like open those things up in a DWM or whatever and it will work work ish But yeah, I Like I said, I don't know like the problems. I was having I don't know whether or not it was You know a me problem or if it is a problem with pipe wire. And so I also had problems Where in OBS every once in a while it would just like randomly switch sources Like once in a while, I just go through and be talking and then it would switch to You know like the the microphone on my camera or there was one time I think was after the last update It was playing both of them. Like you could hear both microphones going at the same time and it was It's really weird now you because you can really tell at least once you move away from Fedora That pipe wire is still very much in development It's not in something that you want to use unless you're on Fedora Because it and Fedora it worked really well But I don't know how well it would work on Fedora in like a different desktop environment because it's really really built Very like tightly integrated with the GNOME stuff So I don't I haven't had a chance to go through and actually install desktop environment different desktop D over there I wanted to try to install DWM. I just haven't had a chance yet because I'm really curious how How that would work outside of them because all this stuff is really meant to be working together and It's just when when you try to take that piece out and use it with something else at least so far in my experience It hasn't been fantastic Yeah, it's just odd like pipe wire is sort of a its own thing in that sort of regard where most programs like They're especially when it comes to Linux and FOS software they work between window managers desktop environments. I mean almost all the time without issues Pipe wire it's so weird that like if you're using Fedora Precisely the way like vanilla Fedora the way Fedora dev devs wants you to You're gonna have a fine experience. You could you try and do anything outside of the norm and You're most likely going to have some some some hard times It's it's just unique in that way. I think the biggest problem and I said this last week too is that there's the tools that support Uh pipe wire just aren't really there yet now you like Because pulse audio is technically still there you can use a lot of the pulse audio stuff But you're not meant to like At least what I can figure out is that Like in order to change the volume and stuff like that you have to go through And like you have to use your system settings to do that And then your system settings is kind of like provides a conduit for other Like widgets and stuff that go in your like in your bar or whatever that will control your volume and stuff Uh, and that stuff just doesn't exist like standalone For pipe wire like think tools like pavu control and pulse mixer and stuff like that stuff was also built for Pipe wire and I said well that stuff will technically still work at least it did for me And I'm assuming that maybe that's one of the reasons why I was still having some problems because I had all this legacy stuff Still crudding up my computer and maybe that was having some problems. I like I don't really know Uh, but it just feels like there's some tools that in development there. That's just hasn't been uh, you know It's just still being worked on like it's not it's not there yet. Um So I don't I don't see this being like this may be the future like I think we've gotten to the point now where we can pretty much say wailand is going to be the future of linux Like it's gonna it's gonna happen now that ubuntu has adopted it Like ubuntu is like the once once apple adopts something in you know the the technology world They that like they got rid of the floppy drive first then everybody got rid of the flop drive. They got rid of uh You know usb-a ports now everybody uses usb-c the same thing with the thunderbolt and all that stuff Uh canonical is kind of the same way when they adopt something Everybody else follows uh, yep So we know wailand is going to be like the future whether or not pipeware gets to that point I don't know I'm really like I understand pulse audio is like really old But why can't we just fix pulse audio? You know, like I know Like why can't I Excuse me Like I just like I'm not a developer. So I understand that my idea behind solving some of these problems and probably I'm sure it's been tried right like I'm sure they've tried to fix pulse audio And if there's just something there that's keeping them from Perfecting it because there has to be a reason why we're four to years into the linux experiment and we still haven't solved the Most basic of problems like we got the display thing down We got the x server down and that's been working for a long time like there's x org has its problems and it's old and crafty That's the reason why we're replacing with wailand. We want to be more secure on that end But for whatever reason in 40 years, we haven't been able to take the audios Thing and iron out all the problems. We just haven't been able to do it now Is it better than it used to be hell? Yes, it's better than it used to oh, yeah Oh, yeah, like you can use your computer like it's good Like yes, you come up with a little bit of problems, but every once in a while You know, it's just you come up with these stupid things like like in 40 years. We haven't been able there has to be some Reason why in 40 years. We haven't been able to you know, iron those things out whether that's like a proprietary driver thing like maybe there's like proprietary Hardware things that we just don't have access to or whatever that's causing the problems and We've had to work around it and it's buggy because it's a workaround. Maybe that's it. I like I don't know The question I have is If in 40 years we haven't been able to between also and pulse audio if we haven't been able to fix it then What makes us think that this new thing this new pipe wire thing that just sits on top of everything What makes us think that that's actually going to solve the problems that we haven't made able to fix in so long Right and and that's actually what I was going to say because as far as I know pipe wire is just like a extra layer for all sun in pulse audio like Yeah, it can like the goal is to replace pulse audio and also but I mean Right now as it stands it has to use both of those like Am I right there like even on fedora? It's using pulse audio for stuff, right? It's very confusing because it's there's some kind of like translation layers and I think it's not the right term or whatever but The way the arch wiki describes it is that it's a demon based on a framework that can be configured to use both audio Both an audio and video server that uses pulse audio and jack features So it's like taking some of the things from pulse audio and jack and like mixing them all together I I'd like to know what the dependencies for pulse audio are like I didn't pay attention when I install this Or pipe wire. I mean I'm just very curious um, because I would assume at least On arch it's going to require pulse audio But that's the thing about fedora that I don't know like is fedora doing something special where It's just not having to interact with pulse audio whatsoever. And that's why it's a little bit better experience All right, so the dependencies for pipe wire are also Um You mind show me more also libs blue libs um I don't see I don't see pulse audio on there as being a dependency um This is from the arch uh, Linux wiki But it does require also also also is there um for whatever Reason is also dependency. So but I think that is pretty much for everything But yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, all right. Um So the the question we posed was is pipe wire Ready for mainstream. So your answer would be no, right? No Yeah, that'd be my answer as well No, not quite there. It's better than I thought it would be like I was I was expecting to be a complete mess But on fedora at least it it works relatively well In ideal circumstances, right like within genome within your safe spot changing nothing No extensions any of that stuff. It works fine outside of it Your mileage may vary so Yeah, I'm sure there's going to be somebody in the comments below that knows Way more about this kind of stuff that than we do uh, which Not hard. I mean Low bar there fell out That's going to be shouting about You guys don't know anything about pipe wire. This doesn't do anything about pipe wire. You it's not a layer at all It takes over whatever If you're that person leave that comment whatever it's gonna be okay We understand we're both very much linux nubes. That's the point of the fucking podcast, you know So just just chill out. We understand. We don't know anything. Um, anyway, so uh, that is the main topic Let's go ahead and move on to picks of the week. So Uh, why don't you go ahead and go first there tyler? You've fixed all right. So mine was rpcs Three because still good names. Yep. Good names. Don't mean nothing Um, and it's a open source playstation 3 uh emulator Which is Freakin cool. Um, and the one thing about it that also intrigued so, uh For one it has a lot of games that work on it and then two It also has a it works on linux windows and bsd I was surprised that bsd It works on so that's linux and bsd. Did I hear no macintosh in there? No mac support and oh and that's just sad for you because you're using a mac Can't let me forget You better you better start lurking on that linux support there man because otherwise this is going to go on for weeks But um, yeah, it's it's really cool and um, it It's it's surprising how many games work on it. And I just didn't know that playstation 3 emulation was Here and this good. So um, yeah, um, I believe they've got I think it's like over 2000 um games That are working on it. Um, I could go through and find the compatibility page um Okay, maybe I can't but yeah If I wasn't such a horrible. Oh, yeah, okay, so playable about 2000 about 1900 playable games so Super interesting Yeah, what do you think about it? It definitely does look really cool. Um I tried to think about this last week, but I did own a place in three of them And I talked about how I tore apart and come back could put it back together. Um but I don't PlayStation 3 is weird. Like it's a generation of console that I don't really remember any of the games for Like I understand. I'm sure I played some Uncharted because Uncharted was the game It's like my favorite game of all time. Like I remember I Love that series. So I'm sure that that was one of the games that I played But I don't maybe like vice city was a get PlayStation 3 game was vice No, I think that was PlayStation 2 I think vice city was PlayStation 2 PlayStation 3. I know the PlayStation 3 had GTA 5 on it Did it yeah four No, I think it had five on it. I'm pretty sure GTA 5 was on the ps3 I don't know it. I'm sure we're getting our times completely wrong. We're probably both completely wrong I remember playing the original like Grand Theft Auto 2 on the PlayStation 1 and Grand PlayStation No, I know for a fact GTA 5 is on the ps3 I've I play it with a buddy on on his ps3. I know I know Grand Theft Auto 3 was on the PlayStation 2 Um, but after that, I don't really remember I guess I'm like I said the PlayStation 3 is just a really weird console Because I don't really remember any of the games that were on it. So And like I'm sure there was like a Gran Turismo, but After Gran Turismo 2 that which was on the PlayStation 2 I don't think I played another Gran Turismo until plate Gran Turismo 5 which was on the That might have been the PlayStation 3 Because I never had a ps4 So I had to been PlayStation 3 which was Gran Turismo 5 because I did play it and I realized, okay, you know These are the same tracks for racing that were here 10 years ago Just better graphics. All right. Anyways, uh, so um, yeah, this looks really cool. It's definitely something I'm gonna check out I haven't had a chance yet, but that's definitely something so my pick of the week Is something much more boring but basically this is a um A Text expander tool so basically what this allows you to do it's called a span so And allows you to go through and set like uh, like little shortcuts that you type in and then it will expand the text Uh to whatever you've said it like it's configured through a configuration file So it's not a gooey thing, but it runs in the background every time you type in the things that you have set It'll expand out so I have one set so that every time I type Certain thing in it'll expand out into all the Stuff I have to put into every video description. So like the the patreon and all that stuff It'll also do the it has one for the date Has one for a couple email signatures, and you know, I'm always looking for little things that I can put into it That's really cool. Um, obviously for an open source. It works really well Uh, if you're okay getting into a configuration file to set it up because if you don't If you're not comfortable getting into a dot yaml file in order to actually type in the expansion stuff Then you're kind of out of luck because unlike text expander on the macintosh, which you could use enough because you're using a mac Yeah Unlike that it this doesn't have a gooey that you can do it's all done from the command line So that's definitely going to be something that uh Now I might be in it's possible that there's like a gooey tool that actually exists and I just didn't find it But I don't think that that's true Uh, but it is available for windows And mac so if you don't want to pay for text expander, uh, you could use this instead So that is a span so and that is the podcast We did get this done in an hour Granted we spent more time on firefox and the the news items Then we did on the actual main topic, but that's okay It was a good conversation. It was actually think we did a better job this time than we did last week That's what we we should we should do this try we will one week We'll practice and then we'll come back and we'll do the actual show You know, it doesn't who cares if we're like two or three weeks late on our news item We just do it's okay If we stop this and Tyler tells me um, man, I got a problem audacity and record then I'm going to beat him over the head with his macintosh I'm sending it back if that happens Oh, there'll be a big dent on it with this with be like, uh, the in star wars when han gets like uh in the um Where he gets like frozen or whatever, you know, like he's in the middle That's how your mac's gonna look with your face in it If you tell me that hasn't been recorded yet. Okay. Anyways, that is it for us this week before I go I like taking thank our current patrons devon marcus megal and donnie spin east coast web americ camp and michael Thanks everybody for your support. 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