 It's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official Miss Jamaica. What's going on? None of them damn, walk on. Man, I'm feeling good about it. Hey man, hey man, another day. This is a day that the Lord has made our room be glad and rejoice in it. Check it man, hey man, check it man. We got a special guest in here today y'all. Right here man, if you, if you understand what going through something is today, you're going to be very, very blessed man. This guy has, he's triumphant over so many different things. He's been so triumphant. He's been going through these things and God been lifting him up from strength to strength as I say it man. My God, Mr. Daryl Davis is in the building. What's going on my brother? Hey, what's going on E.C.O. Man, boss talk 101, what a boss is talking. How you doing, Mr. Jamaica? Hey man, just a good thing to man to get you on boss talk 101. When I seen your story, when I heard about your story, when I started to look at the man. You know what I mean? That the guy that really is what I've been through so much, but still yet he stands. Still he stands. Still he stands. I understand by God's amazing grace. Hey man, so Daryl man, Mr. Daryl Davis is in the building. What you got for him? I know already where you going with it. I know, I know, I know because you have such an awesome testimony. So it's like, I want to know about you as a child before you got into all that trouble before everything. I want to know how you were raised, who you were raised with. I want to know everything. I come from a two-percent household. I had a mother and a father, a brother and a sister. My father was the second black engineer for the Conville Railroad out of Tyler, Texas. My mother worked in the school district and the medical field. So called an awesome household, but were they active in your life? Very much so. I lived with them. They was together. Because you know you have some parents who great jobs, have kids and are not active and you're in the same household. So that's the reason why I asked that. We was very much in Little League sports, very much in church. Were you the middle child or youngest oldest? I'm the middle. I'm the middle. I'm the oldest sister. And my brother's younger. Okay. Wow. And so growing up, I mean, you the troublemaker, was you the good kid? Let's be honest about it. I'm always going to be 100, right? I was always the shy fat kid that they would make fun of. We would wobble, but they don't wall down and all that kind of stuff. And I went into a shell, but I was always different. At how old? I guess around 7, 8, 9. Okay. My dad had us a house bill when I was 10. We moved in it. How much older is your sister? How much older is your sister than you? Maybe about 12 years. Oh, way older. Because when you were talking about how you were being teased and trouble at school and stuff like that, I think about if you had an older sister who was like a year or two, then she'd be trying to defend you and stuff like that, because she'd be in the same school. It wasn't that I was fighting in school or nothing like that. Teasing. Yeah, bullying, so to speak. The biggest lie I ever heard in my life was Sticks and Stone may break my bone, but name would never hurt me. You might break an arm or get a black eye, and you might not even remember that. But someone said something to us that once upon a time in our lives that it might still bother us up in our doth hood, because our name do hurt. And with that, we don't like to retaliate, and at that time we didn't know anything about retaliation. So we just went into a shield and withdrawn and stayed to ourselves. Let me say this real quick, because this is on my heart. I know that Sticks and Stone may break my bones, but words may never hurt me. It depends on where you are spiritually. Where you are, because to me, yes, it's just words. If you know who you are and who you are in Christ, it can't. You know what I mean? Because at the same time, like what I've been practicing on myself personally, I can't speak for anybody else because I can't control you. I can't control what you say. I can't control what you think. I can only control me as in how I perceive what you say to me. You know what I mean? So whatever you say about me or to me, if I know who I am and that I'm loved by God himself, nothing you can say can hurt me. And that's true in adults, right? That's right. You talk about a kid, then you don't know how to combat that. You don't have that foundation right then, right? So you just grew up with it. I agree. And even though, and I was a baby in church all the way up to high school and I started to despise church. And the reason I started to despise church, disease was being planted, right? But I was like, we had eight grandkids, right? And I was the only one that they would make, say, Easter speeches up until the time they graduated. They saw something in me that I didn't see in myself, right? And I thought that there is another form of bullying you're picking on me. Because my cousins, they get up there, they cry and they don't have to go back no more. I get up there and cry and you're going to make me go back anyway, right? So it caused a lot of rejection. And they didn't explain it to you that you're special, they didn't explain anything to you? Or you just didn't listen? I probably didn't listen because I had tuned out at that time. But everywhere I would go, people always saw something in me. I go somewhere now, they say, I've seen you somewhere before. Do I know you? And they come to find out that that's the uniqueness of being chosen by God is a light, right? That when you go into the presence of a room, you light it up. And the people they're doing right, they get the shaking right and they want to move around. Because they don't know who you are, what you are. They just know it's something about you that they can't figure out at that moment. Yeah. The thing about despising the church, I always make it a note to say that the church building is not where it's at. The person, correct. At the end of the day, when you understand that you are a walking assessment of God, you're a chosen of God, then at the end of the day, there's something that becomes you as you grow up. But like you said, when you're younger, you don't know what this is. I remember as a kid, I'd ask myself, why am I here? What am I here for? I would be walking as a four or five-year-old asking myself, looking up, looking around. Because I was just inquisitive when it comes down to trying to understand life. So when you look at it from that perspective, trying to figure everything out and then this big, bad thing called life starts to hit at you at different ages and it starts to poke at you. It pretty much teaches you. Life is your best teacher that you'll ever be able to have. And so with that being said, I understand how you could have these issues. I had mine. You had yours growing up, trying to figure it all out. That's what it's all about. But then as you get older, like I said, you're still going to hit. Every time you hit one level, you hit a devil. Next level, another devil. Every level brings a different devil. You see what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, I'm good with it. I understand that life will hit you like that. But your story is phenomenal in the fact that when I looked at you, you ended up going into getting into trouble. Could we get into that a little bit? Just like how did you end up getting into trouble and how old were you when it happened? When I first started getting into trouble, I guess I might have been a senior in high school. I didn't smoke my first joint until after I had finished high school. And I started stealing right after high school. And I was a kleptomaniac. And I would just steal a hubcaps, teatops, going clothing stores, K-Morg, Gibson's, TGNY. Were you working at that time? Because out of high school? I wouldn't work. You wouldn't work? I had a job at Taco Bell, but I hate punching the clock. Steal to this day. So as you've done that, where did you hit the roadblock? I would go to jail and by my parents being who they were, I would always get out. And you lived with them at this time? Yes. I couldn't do no wrong with my mama's ass, but she wouldn't go to the store with me. She said, boy, I'm not going to the store with you, right? Probably would have kept you out of trouble. Because would you have stolen with her being there? I could have $6,000 in my pocket and walk in the store and steal a candy box. You know, I feel that you owed me, right? I don't know where that mentality came from, but I feel that things was owed to me, right? And I didn't want to work for them. And I had good jobs. I was a Southwest and Bell telephone company operator. I worked at Tyler Pipe. I worked at UPS, but I wouldn't work long, right? I would always want to take. But God would give me, he gave me enough rope to what I say, to hang myself. But it wasn't to hang myself, it was to find myself. And it was for him to let me run into a spot where he could capture me. And once he captured me, he began to minister to me and he changed my heart, right? Because when I went to prison, I went to prison for a crime that never even happened, right? And I had two police officers that tell the jury that. Was that the first time you went to prison? Yes. Because the other time, still and I, I only went to jail. Exactly. That's just the county or just going in and out, coming back out. What? Okay. Break that down to me, because you say that the officers said that you didn't even do it. I had two HPD officers, Houston police officers, to testify that the crime never happened. What was the crime? Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. And it was in Houston? It was in Houston. It was in Houston. I was accused of brutally beating someone 32 to 38 times with a full 40 ounce bottle of beer and my fist. And at not one time did they have any cuts marks or scratches on them. That was the person's testimony. That was the detective testimony and the police officer testimony. And for the first time in my life, I witnessed white people that didn't believe what the police said, right? Wow. So I was mad and angry and bitter. And every time somebody would say something to me about God, I would spit fire. Ain't no such thing as no God. Why do all these little babies die? And all this stuff, because I wasn't trying to hear it. Yeah. You know, I wasn't thinking about all this calmness that was coming back on me, right? From stealing these full stuff, help cap, tea tops in the rain, the whole car getting ruined and all this kind of stuff, right? This never crossed my mind. I'm just looking at me in this moment. A spoiled kid that mother always got him out of everything, but now mama can't help you. Can't help you. I wasn't big deep into that. I know. That's what I was doing. So who was the person that you were allegedly beating? A girl. A girl. Black or white? A black girl. A black girl. She testified that you didn't. She testified that I did. That you did it. That I brutally beat her 32. When she first told the police, she told the police that I struck her two times. I didn't ever hit her a damn time. Did you know this female? I did. You did. And you were in Houston at that time? I was in Houston. I was living in Houston at that time. You were living in Houston at that time? Well, did you and her have any type of relationship? Yes. So this was a girl that you had been with for about 30 days. Okay. You had been with her for about 30 days. And she stole my car, so I was putting her out. Okay. And when I put her out, this was her form of retaliation. Wow. So when she told the officers, I mean, they never took me to jail. So when they came out during this incident, whereas allegedly happened, did they see any cuts or any bruises? No, and they testified to that. And they told them that it didn't have no cut? I should have brought my transcripts with me, because I packed them around too. Really? I packed them around for almost 25 years. 25 years. And everybody in the jury, what color were they? All white, except for a light-skinned black dude. Now they want to give me a life sentence, and they had to have them. I still been in there because I had to do 30 years to come up for parole. Right? But this light-skinned black dude told my mother that he wasn't going to let them throw me away. So they came up with a number 37 and give me 37 years in prison. So on that 37 years in prison, I had to do 18 years, 6 months, 3 weeks and 5 days to come out of there. Wow. And what year did you go in? 1996. You went in in 1996 and you came out in? 2015. 2015. You know, that accumulate that to a boy meets girl. Yeah. They get married, have a baby. Yeah. The baby go through preschool, elementary, junior high. Yeah. And graduate by the time I come up out of there. And that's crazy for them to give you that amount of time. Is that the first aggravated assault or assault of any type that you had dealt with? Yes. But you've been in jail? For theft. But okay, correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't really know. But when you're a black man and you have anything on your record, it could be theft, it could be anything, even if it does not, it's not even similar to what they're sending you. They look at that, right? Mm-hmm. They look at you as a troubled child for that. Well, I think the system is set up to destroy all black males. And now they don't put the females in it as well, right? If you're a black male out here and you're succeeding, you're doing very well. And in this white man's world, I call it the United States of White America, right? I'm big in politics now. I lobby bills for myself. I lobby for different senators and representatives around the state, right? And so I am very active in school boards, meetings, commissioners' courts, city council. And it blows me away how black Americans don't participate in these things. I was at an event the other night, and it was like a town hall meeting for candidates, a candidate's form, right? And they each want to build a $300 million jail. And you got black pastors that are supposed to be Democrats that's running for these positions. They're standing with the white people on building these jails. You want to spend $300 million to build a jail? Why don't I put that in the human being and make him a better being, right? Instead of locking them up. But see, they always need people to burn their burdens, right? And when I was coming up, I didn't want to learn nothing. I was the dumbest kid in school probably. I made F minuses before, right? Because I was so far withdrawn in my shell that I wouldn't come out. When I go to dances and stuff, I used to stand on the wall. They used to call me a wallflower, right? I didn't want to interact with anyone. Wow. I want to ask you, I want to go back and I definitely understand where you're coming from. But I want to go back into the fact of when you went into the system. Mentally, how did it do you to be going into a system and getting the amount of time you got and then knowing that you didn't really do what was being, you know, your character being assassinated like that. When you went into incarceration, what unit did you hit first? My first unit I hit was a unit in BV called Gaza East. Gaza. That's Hispanics, right? Nothing but Hispanics. Correct. So when you hit Gaza unit and you went in there, what, you know, where was your mind state? I just cry every day. How old were you at this time when this happened? I was 33. 33. And you cried every day? Every day I was mad. Because you knew that you was innocent and you would tell people, man, I'm down there for nothing. I know because they say everybody say that. They say everybody say that. So, and then I was, my mom was in Tyler. I was living in Houston. But being down in Gaza, that was for, that was super far away. So she never came and visited or did she? Not down there because I wasn't down there alone. I refused to stay down there around the people. I couldn't speak no Spanish. I didn't have no business down there. And by me crying every day, they used to send me to see the site. And my thing was I always wanted, if I'm going to be in prison, I want to go to Chocolate City. That was Darrington. Everything was jumping off in Darrington. So this is where I want to go. So when they sent me to see this little white lady, she said, well, you got to stay here. I said, I don't want to stay here. She said, you got to stay here for two years. I said, I'm not staying here for two years. And every time I would look at her, she would look down. And I would catch up. When I, when I looked down, she'd be looking at me. So I hit that dead. Bam. She said, you're right. You can't stay here. So she put me a trend for it. I was gone with them for that. I was on the next day smoking out of here, man. You used your mind because when I think about men in prison, and you say you were crying every day, I always thought that you can't, you have to put on this tough shell when you're in prison. You can't act like you're crying or nothing like that because, you know, it'll come. I'm sure there's something with you back there. And I understand where you're coming from. But I never was tried in my early stage of prison. I can honestly say that I hold the big three, right? When I went into prison, I had never participated in homosexuality. When I came out of prison, I hadn't participated in homosexuality. When I went into prison, I didn't have no tattoos. When I came out of prison, I didn't have no tattoos. And when I went into prison, I wasn't a gang member. And when I came out of prison, I wasn't a gang member. And when you think of prisons, that's what you think of those three things. That's how they portray it. But I didn't do that by myself. And you never got beat up? You never... Oh, yeah. I had some fights. Yeah, 18 years back. No, I'm talking in the beginning, especially at Garza, whenever you were crying. Oh, no, no, no, no. I wasn't at it alone about two or three days. I just thought it wouldn't put me on that bus and get me out of there. But to answer your question, I had a correction officer to pay inmates $3,000 to kill me behind two ice cream sandwiches and two soda water. But I didn't know anything about it, right? So that's why I despised gang members. All of them, Mandingo, Warrior, Disciple, Bluefoot, Cripple, all of them. I hate them. God had you protected. Man, God had me protected all of them. So you had to fight those guys. They would let them in the cell on you and all kinds of stuff. Man, they turned three of them loose on me, right? Because the thing was not to even touch me. See, I didn't know that the other gangs couldn't touch me, right? Why? Because I was a neutron. What's that? That means that I don't belong to nothing. Okay. So you have to go get permission to touch a black. And then they shipped me from... And they get permission from where? The other gang members. To touch you because... Oh, okay. Right? So you had one gang that took the money, but they were going to tell the administration that I had a hit on me, thinking that the administration were going to bring me out of population. Their intent wasn't never to do anything with me. It's what they said in the federal court, right? I'm one of the very few inmates that come through the state of Texas that successfully filed two lawsuits, right? Both of them in the Eastern District. One of them was in the Eastern District of the Lufkin Division, and the other one was in the Eastern District of Tyler Division, right? So they said they were going to jack the officer. But by the administration seeing I was a black dude, they never did pull me out of population. But I'm having this man's money now. They got to do something. So they brought that... What prison was this at? This was at the Turrell Unit. It's now called Palunski. Yeah, 12. Whoa. And we were at number 11 in the state for murders. What year did you go to the Turrell Unit? I went to Turrell in 2000. When did you leave? In 2006. And with the Michaels. Yeah. Did you... Pimp C had the... He was at Turrell Unit. But he was at Turrell, the new Turrell. The new Turrell. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember that. But the old Turrell was what Death Row was. That's right. That's where he was at. That's where he was at. See, at that time the prison was very violent. You had the Robertson Unit was like number three. French Robertson. Uh-huh. Then you had the Allred Unit. And you had the Turrell Unit. We had like three or four prisons that was in the top ten for the most violent units in the United States of America. So them sending you to all of these prisons that had the murder, because you were sent to prison for being aggressive. Yeah. For... So they're sending you to this prison because of that. Because that's what they do. They send you to... But they didn't send me there. God gave me favor. Hmm. When I managed to get off of Garza, they sent me to a unit in Rochery. And it was Ramsey three at the time. Okay. It's now Stringfella. And it's a minimum on the unit. I was trying to get the Derriton memo. So that was my main thing. I wanted to go to Derriton. But the lieutenant said, well, I can't get you to go to Derriton, but I can get you to go to Ramsey three. Okay. And I always thought that Ramsey three was full of homosexuals from what I was told. Right? But at this time, they had moved all the homosexuals to a styles unit. Yeah. And Ramsey was a good unit. It was small, but it was like a 10,000 acre unit. Okay. And at this time, I'm about 315, 320 pounds. So you're a big dude. I used to eat six times a day. Right? Because that's how I do eating crap. But you wouldn't mess with me, right? And I go to the La La Berry. So when they sent me down, and then the first thing they knew, they sent me to the field. I go on no field and do no working. So I didn't lay out AP. Right? So they bring the ambulance. You laid it down. I laid it out. So they bring the ambulance to come get me. The next day they sent me out there, they bring the van to come get me. You did the same thing again. And the next day they brought the horse and wagon to come get me. I'm not being out here in no field. I'm not going to do it. So they locked me up. They will write me cases. And I don't know about no cases. So they locked me up. And I was a minimum in, right? So they changed my custody to medium custody. Right? Because I wouldn't work. Because you're being difficult. And that's when they started shipping me to the Renegade Units. The first one I went to was Allred. And now I'm still trying to get back down to Darroton. So the only way we could get to Darroton was to put Judaism on our travel card. Right? So that was the only unit that had Jewish services at that time. So I put my Jewish travel card on and I'm trying to get to Darroton. I want to go to Darroton by all cards. Everywhere was popping there. Right? So the white people called on to that. And they found a rabbi to go to the Robinson unit. Right? So I used to have about 13 bags of stuff. Full of canned goods and everything. Everywhere I go, I had to have some help to tow all this stuff. Right? So when I got, the man told me, he said, how did you get on his bus without all these bags? I said, don't worry about that. I said, I'll be back over here in the morning. He said, no, you ain't. I said, yes, I am. Because I'm going to Darroton. He said, no, you're going to not write him. I said, no, man, I'm on the Jew chain. He said, Jew chain, stop here. Ain't nobody else going down south. So he put me out there at Fritz Robinson. Oh, OK. And they were violent out there as well. What year was that? This had to be in, like, 98. 98. And then after that, you know, did you write? How long did you stay on the French Robinson unit? Man, I finally got off that book about a year. About a year? About a year. My mother went to the doctor and got a doctor statement to move me closer to home. And that's when they sent me to the Terrell unit, right? Now, my mother did come to visit me, her and my son, when I was on the Robinson unit. So you had a child before you went to prison? I did. My son was 13. OK. And even though I was still in Hubcaps and Tea Town, I was a little league football coach and a little league baseball coach at that time. And I started coaching when he was six years old. Man. So when they move you closer and get you to Terrell unit, this year, now time is ticking. You've done a lot of time at this point. Oh, yes. And I'm still fighting, right? And you're still fighting. How frustrating was that? Man. Just trying to fight a case like that, knowing that you, Emerson, did you, I know you put in for appeal and you appealed and did they shoot you down on that first appeal? Well, first appeal. But let me move back to when I was on French Robinson unit. That's when the activists in me really start to come out. Yeah. Because the Hispanics used to wait to Friday every week to stay up each other, to lock the unit down. Yeah. Now, I always had commissary and stuff like that, but a lot of men didn't. Right? So they did this like three weeks in a row. So I can find myself going off on them Hispanics. It was the RU's and the Tungo Blast, and they were flexing with the mafia and all these different gangs, right? And I go off on them. And I don't know who, who, right? So I'm talking bad to them and say, you got one more time locked in, you're going to be dealing with something. Right? So I'm going hard on them. They go to the blacks. Now these Crips and Bloods and MWs come to me and they ask me what's going on. I said, nigga, this all about you. What's up? Man, you can't be talking about that. I said, man, let me tell you something. I said, every weekend, this unit locked down. I said, I don't give visits. I said, people come from Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth. And when they come up here, we didn't have telephones at that time. I said, your wives, your mamas, and sisters, they can't visit you because we locked down. They turn them around. And one of them spoke up and said, yeah, my wife brought my son up here to see me. And we couldn't do it. So now the light began to go off in their head, right, up to what I was doing. So they go back and tell them. And he write what he's saying. Y'all need to give us notice so we can at least write home and tell our people not to come. Well, you're a game. You should have been doing this all by yourself. Right? I shouldn't have to engineer you to do this, sir. So that's when the politics is really starting to come out of me. And the activism was standing up for my people. Yeah. So that's a good thing that you've seen the light at that point. Right? So what I wanted to ask you, though, when you were at the terror union and you said that they were they had paid to beat you up or get you killed and stuff like that. How did you find out about that? You never did say. Well, the first one. They was intended to jack the officer for the money. Right. That's why they game a million number snitches. Right? They go to the administration until the administration I got a hit on me. See, they had what they call a safe prison. Right? But they don't use it for black people. If I'd been a white boy, they'd pull me out of population and ask questions. But they didn't even let me know that I had a hit on me. So one day or one Saturday, I was off from work. And I'm sitting on the part waiting for counter-clear. So I go give me a haircut. And I see these three dudes come on the part, but I don't know that they game. I don't know who, who, right? I don't know on the bottom. So when I went up the stairs to hit on the window to let the barber know when counter-clear come out, one of them steal me, right? And when I turned around, I picked him up and threw him on the other one. And I got the best of them. It was three of them, right? And he said, man, I ain't no major had it like that. So I whipped three gang members. So that night, they had a meeting. I don't know what's going on still. I don't know why they clicked on me or nothing, right? Now, all the gangs, the Mexican gangs, the white gang, the black gang, they got a meeting on New York and the meeting is about me. And they sent the cow, MW, the man didn't go to war to carry out this mess, right? So now, these other gang want to do them because they said, y'all let a neutron make y'all look bad. They said, y'all weak. So three days later, they come back and hit me again. And that's when it got real bloody. That time, they really kind of got the best of them. What kind of damages did you get? What I just got hit in the head with a weight at that time, right? Now the administration want to lock me up. To keep you safe, really? At that point. But why you didn't do it when they first came out? And I'm glad they didn't because it made me look like I was a rat, right? So God know how you fixed things, right? And I was able to overcome. So when they locked us up in the game, remember? The game, remember, kept calling me now and now. Major, so I don't know my answer. Major, you wrote down there? So they sent a kite down there, man. Please answer me, man. We wrong. Where's the kite? Listen to the note. They sent a note saying that how they were wrong. We want to talk to you. They want to try to fix it. So I'm still mad. What you put your hands on me for anyway. I'm not trying to hear nothing you talk about, right? Because you put your hands on me and that's a problem. So it went on. It said, man, that's the administration fault now. Nigga, that's your fault. You did that. But we went to the administration. They supposed to have been taking you out of the population. But you put your hands on me. I did with them later, right? So they said, man, if you filed a lawsuit, we're going to tell you everything that went on. And they did. Wow. So you basically filed a lawsuit on the officer? On the officer. How did it make you feel accomplished inside? Not really, because I ain't got my freedom yet. But you had the sense of I'd made something happen. Yeah, I changed the system because I'm going to tell you what people don't know. I didn't know people can do that while they're in prison like filed lawsuits against some. I'm going to tell you something. Black people love Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton a piece of shit. You hear me? They call him the first black president. Bill Clinton a piece of shit. In 1992 he authored a bill called Tough on Crime. That was to lock all black people up. And we don't see that part of it, right? He went through the whole part of the project locking folks up for smiles and mouths of dope. And then he went farther in 96 and come up with the AEDPA, which is the Anti-affected Terrorism Death Penalty Act, right? That gives you one year to get into federal court or you forever time barred, right? So you're taking a kid that has dropped out of school in 8th grade and don't know nothing. And you expect him to get to the Supreme Court in one year? That's impossible, right? When you get lawyers and judges and all them 8 or 9, 10 years to get their degree and move forward in the legal system. Then he come back that same year and pass what they call the PLRA, which is the Prison Litigation Reform Act, right? Meaning that you cannot sue a prison or institution for mental and emotional damage. But that's how incarceration is, right? Yeah, exactly. So he done us more harm than any president in the history of this country. And I go all the way back to George Washington when they come down to black people. But we love him. You know why we love him? He smoke a little weed. We smoke a lot of weed. He cheat on here wide. We cheat on that girlfriend. He like blue. We like rap, right? So we figure he was one of us. And all the time you're putting it full on our neck. And that's the way Democrats are now. You see what they just did the other day, don't you? And they talking about Martin Luther King. Nobody killing nobody know Martin Luther King. Not even black folks or white folk, right? In 30 years, they're going to have one of the king painters, a white man. Wow. So get him back to you. Because I want to walk up to the point of how you came to the end of your course being locked up in prison. When you came with which unit did you where you released that? And how many years did you do before you left Tarot unit? I got to Tarot in 2000. They had just moved death row over there because of the guys that had escaped from Ellis. Okay. I remember that. And after the contract hit was placed on me, they moved me to the Michael unit. Okay. Right. And at that time, Kite followed you. Yeah. Everywhere you go. So before you get there, they know you don't know me, right? Really? Them gang members, hey, they do everything but the right thing, right? So anyway. Did you have a lawyer at this time still fight your case or you were fighting your own case? I would fight my own case. When I was on Tarot, I filed a writ of Habers-Carpus. I got it. I filed a writ of Habers-Carpus when I was on Tarot unit. And I filed this on December the 2nd of 2000. At that time, we was getting mail on Saturdays. Incoming mail and not going mail on Saturdays. So I mailed that mail on December the 2nd, which was on Saturday. I put it in the mailroom wonder. I prayed on it. Me and my legal partner. Right. And I sent it out. It left the unit on the 4th that Monday. They got it in Harris County District Clerk's Office on Wednesday the 9th of 2000. No, the 6th. Wednesday the 6th of 2000. I get the return receipt back because I had sent it certified on Saturday the 9th to this day when people say they still didn't get that writ. Right. And that was the act of God. So to this point, it still hadn't been a writ filed on my case. Childhood is in the merit of my conviction. That's why I believe everything happens for a reason. We don't always see it right then and there when we're going through things. But every single thing happens for a reason. So now you're on Michaels. Is that where you were released from? Yeah, that's where I made parole at on Michaels. I stayed over that nine years. Nine years at Michaels. Did you have a... Boy, I tell you, man, you went through a lot of count times, a lot of different things, man. A lot of child times. And your mama saw life when you came out? No. So you lost your mom while... And dad. I'm going to tell you how cold and white folk were. They told me and they said, you're going home. I had the highest piece of paper it was, which was an L51. Yeah. I'm going home. Uh-uh, 30. 30 at that time. I'm going home. Bar none. I'm going home. This is what you're telling me. I got a release date for May the 30th, I believe. Right? My daddy died on May the 5th. And they wouldn't even let me go. You lose that. My daddy. Wow. Right? But you already say I'm going home. If I go out there and don't do those polls, dude, you're going to think this piece of paper for me. Right? So moving back to Michaels. I used to teach Bible study classes. I believe in God, 100%. I believe in Jesus Christ, 100%. When did you come to that, though? That's exactly what I was going to ask. Because at first he was mad at God. Yeah. And dad was in 1997, 1998. But what made you change your mind? God. He came to me. Okay. How many years had you been locked up? About three. Three. About 99. Tell me about that experience. Man, I'm in there. I heard somebody. I called him my name. I get up and go to the door. I used to stay in the sales a lot. Yeah. I didn't want to be out there in that living room with the dominoes. None of that was never in my agenda. So I keep hearing somebody come in that door. So I go to that door. Man, who come in that door missing with me? Man, nobody been in that door. I said, man, next time you come in that door, I'm going to throw some hot water out that door, man. So God said, just look at you. Just look at you. What's going on? And he began to put my life before me. I had a motorcycle one time. Smooth board, carburetors, struts, headers on there. And I was out there on interstate 20 running about 180. And the motorcycle just came to a stop. I'm still here giving it gas. And when the motorcycle stopped, the sprocket from the chain fell off. Right? On the highway. Yeah. So imagine if I was rolling at that speed and that chain to come up, I got caught in that tie. Yeah. So he began to show me, and I was in head on collisions and stuff, where I could have killed kids and family members, you know. And you didn't notice it at that time when it happened? No, no, no. Till he began to put this before me, all the time that I knew that I should have been a dead man, right? He would put this before me, and he said, I brought you through all of that. What make you think that I'm not going to bring you through this here? And I didn't immediately change. But that stuck with me every day that I would walk. So I started getting a correspondent Bible courses and doing them in the mail here and there and get these little certificates and stuff. And I think that was dead because I enjoy getting them certificates, right? And I still got to stack up to this day, right? And I would get in the Bible class just to get these certificates, right? And it wasn't for parole because I never wanted parole, right? I wanted to get out on this case. Yeah, you wanted to beat them. Parole was 2015. We're still in the 90s, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that wasn't even a thing, but that was rewarding for me to get something, for doing something, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm actually being rewarded. Being productive. Exactly. For doing something, right? Yeah, for doing the right thing. So I began to change like this, and God was building a foundation that I didn't understand. Was that when you started looking into your case, or did you start looking into your case doing the law section of it before God came into your life? Before. Okay. Yeah. From the jail. From day one as soon as you got there. You started researching about the law. About the law. Man, for you to do 18 years like that and in your heart knowing that you didn't do the crime that you accused of. And the crime never even existed. The crime never existed just because of somebody being vindictive and saying something towards you, that allegations that wasn't true. And then for you to go 18 years in prison dealing with the hoopla and all of the different people, the guards, the inmates, the different jellies, everywhere you went, there was always something I'm pretty sure of. Man, be sleeping two o'clock in the morning, man. You had to light something. Yeah, you had to get butt naked. Come to the door. Shake down. You had to look it all up your rectum, man. You had to sleep standing up, putting chain busts at one or two o'clock in the morning. Man, it's other really dickless than what's going on in the play. Yeah. I wouldn't do, get their dope cuts with Jack McTops and Guds. Yeah. Yeah. Wouldn't his officers bring in freeware knives or anything that had other inmates killed. Yeah. Stuff going on. You sent your child in now. You paying your tax dollar for your child to be protected. And you got the people that you're paying money to, killing your kids, man. That's crazy. Right here in the state of Texas. Because it's politics, everything. And then you got the girls now and then, they're going to get with these dudes. The girl got kids and stuff. Now they going to jail for messing with these dudes. These dudes going to tell on them as soon as they first chance they get, right? They walk them off and lock them up. I seen all that. Wow. I had a woman like me in there one time, right? And I said, well, just help me get out of here. We can be together. She had a little daughter. You know what they want me to tell me? She said, I was crazy. I said, I'm crazy. You putting your job and your daughter on the line. But I'm crazy. I'm not going to get caught up with you and go to see. I went to medium custody for six months for not working. I never went to closed custody. I never went to see. I did all my time on minimum custody, but set up six months for not working down there for them white folks on Ramsey 3. And that's a blessing. Do you feel that men prison should have female guards? I do. Why? Men are beasts. They land up with each other in there. I was ridiculous. They got titties and everything, right? And I was just blessed and covered by the blood of Jesus to not to participate or want any of that stuff. My main focus was to get out of prison as fast as I could. To get out of prison to be with my mama. But I honestly believe that my mama not died, that I still be in prison. I believe wherever my mama went, she petitioned for my release. How many years were you in there when she passed away? She passed in 14. January 7th, 2014. So you only had four more years to go? One. He got out in one year and your dad passed 30 in 2015. And you was right there at them at the door. And so when you say your mom petitioned for you. Obviously she wanted Jesus. So you believe that it was because of what her going to Jesus? Just like that story in Luke 18 where he said, you ought to always pray and not faint. Yeah. I made my first parole and this is crazy. My offense was against a woman, right? So I started my own parole stuff maybe about 2010 or 2011. You know, writing them, telling them, you need to come over here and talk to me. I want to talk to you, right? And I was writing this man. There was a parole commissioner, right? And I'm looking for favor. Me, man, looking for favor from another man, right? So they just put it, we put your letter in your file, you ain't enough for parole. So the next year I'll write another. So when I did get in the parole shoot, I'll write this man again, right? And I get a parole lay in. I got that paper. I'm going to see Paul Kiel, right? When I go to parole, I don't see no Paul Kiel. I see his boss and she a woman. And all the time it's going through my mind, what am I going to tell these people when they ask me about this crime? Because if I tell them I didn't do it, then they going to say, well, he in denial and he in remorse for all this real, right? This is in my mind, the flesh, right? And this is what I'm dealing with all the way up. Now, this is how you've been locked up 18 years. Uh-huh. And this is crazy because the person I wanted to see, I didn't see, I seen a woman. She said, I come over here to visit you because you had wrote Paul and told him to come. Well, he said, since I was already out here today, for me to see you, he says, I'm his boss. I'm a boy member. See, that's God. And I'm like, ooh, I said, can we pray? Mm-hmm. Amen. So I went to prayer and I prayed with her. I don't guess she ever heard that before, right? For me, amen, want to pray with her. Mm-hmm. So she said, I said, ma'am, I got one thing to tell you before you conduct this interview with me. She said, what's that? I said, about 18 months ago, I got busted with some tobacco. She said, some cigarettes? I said, yes, ma'am. She said, I don't worry about that. Y'all need to be smoking enough. I said, ooh, right. And this woman conducted that interview with me and she never asked me about that case. When everyone would finish to me, she said, have your people to call. This was on a Thursday. Have your people to call Huntsville next week and you should have an answer. She said, good luck. So I'm always impatient, right? You know, I can't wait on nothing. And I just read in that Bible just a few days ago about patience. Man, it's not patience. It ain't for a wreck, right? Mm-hmm. So that Friday morning I got up and I had some homeboys that worked over in the schoolhouse. So I said, man, look at our Beaumont. He said, yeah, I said, man, check that computer and see if I got an answer. You know, there ain't been 24 hours with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One was like about three something that Thursday, right? And he said, man, you ain't got no answer. Then you just see them folks yesterday. I said, yeah, Beaumont, go and check it for me. So he said, all right. So I went on back to my part and at lunchtime I came back. I said, Beaumont, what would he say? He said, man, I ain't checked the chair. He said, but I'm gonna check it for you. So at the lunch, I had a lady in to go to, to chapel. So I don't forget about it now. So I'm waiting on the child hall to open up. So I'm on the other side of the unit and I see Beaumont walking on that sidewalk. I said, man, I supposed to be going to Holly Beaumont. So when I went through the gate, he said, man, I've been out here looking for you for 30 minutes. I said, what's up? He said, man, they're gonna let you go. He said, you got the help I want. I said, what? I said, don't play with Beaumont. So when he told me that. Did you just cry? I didn't. Oh man, I'm about to cry now. But when he told me that. I said, I like, I said, thank you, man. You ain't playing with me. He said, no man, they're gonna let you go. So it's like that we've been trying not to believe what black people say, right? So I, I said, man, let me go to the chaplain office. So I went right to the chaplain. I said, chaplain, can you check the computer and see if the people gonna let me go home? He said, you know, they ain't gonna never let you go home. I said, that ain't what I asked. You just check their computer. So he got on the computer, he checked. He looked, he looked at me, he looked back. He said, well, right here, say you got the help I want. I said, all right, thank you. And I went on up out of there. Well, I tell you, man, and you, what was the scripture that you held on to that just kept you going? Man, so 2713. It kept you going. I would have lost hope unless I'd seen the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wow. Right. And in 2006, when I was attacked by those gang members, God gave me that ministry, continuing faith in Christ's ministries, right? He, he, he birthed that in me. And for some reason it stayed with me. And when I got out in 2015, they tracked me from space, right? They had me in a program called SISP, super intense supervision program, where I had to have a leg monitor on and a phone on my hip. I couldn't go nowhere. If I let the phone her and go outside, I'm violated. I had to, I had to work this thing for 13 months and 11 days. And that's a timely manner, right? I got off as fast as I possibly could without any violation, any eruptions. Some guys still not 96, they're eight years. Because if you do six to eight months and you violate, you got stored all the way back over from the beginning until you complete your program. Right? The program was 12 months, but it took them a additional month for all the paperwork to go through the proper challenge. See, I know about a leg monitor, but I didn't know a leg monitor and a phone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's a serious game going on, man. And so after you come home, I want to get to the education part because we definitely don't want to hold it in. We missed out on that. But to be, after you get out to pursue your education or did you pursue any while you was in or did this all happen on the outside? My education came from the outside. I wouldn't go to school in prison. I didn't want to prison education. I stayed in a chapel and a law library. I would educate myself in law and theology, basically. So when you came home and you went to school, what was it that... What major? Explain to us the educational process of what you done when you came home. Well, when I came home and I got the leg monitor off and it was in 2016 when it took it off. 13 months after. I went to enroll in Texas College, which is an HBCU in my town, right? I had set bags where I went to back to jail for 10 months. Why? Again, they lied on me. My record was bad. When you lie on a person, parole don't care. They gonna come school with me anyway, school me up until they find out what's going on. But I was enrolled in school, right? That was the first stumbling block, right? I overcame that and got back in school. And it was a struggle. I went to jail again. There's parole things giving you tough time. Man, I don't know how to live out here. Yeah, and that's something I wanted to talk about. I wanted to talk about that. When you left, Tupac was just... He just died. Tupac got killed. 1996. 1996. And then you come out in 2015 when they got all type of cell phones. All type of stuff going on for different type of cars. When you left in 1996, that baby lack was out. You know what I'm saying? The baby lack had just went down. Then in 2015, fashion is different. Everything is totally different. And you got out at the Walls unit. At the Walls unit. Yeah, you come out at the Walls unit and you get that, what, $150? Man, they probably gave me $100. And you didn't have nowhere to go because then your mom passed away. Your mom and your dad passed away. I didn't know where I'd tell you where to go. Jesus was right with me. I went home. I'm still home. Yeah, it's house. My mother died in 2014. My dad died in 2015. My son, my mom died. My son took over the house. Okay. And he was, you know, keeping it up. And how old was he at that time when your mom died? Because you've been going 33. Yeah, so he had grown. He was 33. When he came out, he was 13. When he went in, he was 13. When he got out, he was 33. When he went, he was 33. When you got out at 53. At 53. What's up with all these threes? But the thing is when you come home and you see all these new things, what was the biggest thing that stuck out to you? I got to ask you that because I know we was getting into the education, but I wanted to ask you that. What stuck out to you to change the most? Like, wow. I got to monitor when I met Dallas at the bus station. So I walked from bus station to a 7-Eleven and bought me a cell phone. And I'm trying to work on it. I don't know what I'm doing. So I just throw it to the side. So when I get home, it was on a Friday. So that Saturday, my son had a cell phone and he came and said, I'm going to give you your cell phone right here. I got your number already in it. I got me another one. He said, huh, here you go. He put me on his site. And when the phone rang, a picture jumped up. And I slung it across my face. Because it wasn't a regular ring. I was like, oh man, what is this? And then I walked over there and looked at it. And then the picture was up there and it stood up and it was just shaking. So I called him and I said, man, what's wrong with you? You got to answer it. So we got to answer it. Let's start to progress a little bit. Let me see these pictures. What year was it? Because I don't want to miss out on these pictures being shown on the screen. Could you make sure that we get a good picture of that on there? What year was that picture there? What year was that? That had to be about 2008. 2008. And then this one right here. What unit was you on when you took that one? On Michaels. Where were you at? I was on the Michaels unit there. Who had a camera up in there? What was going on with the visitation? The visitation. I offered different programs that I was in. Once you graduated and finished, they would take our pictures. I never touched a cell phone in prison. Even when my mama died, I had people bringing me cell phones. I never touched them. When my mama was dying, I had caught a tobacco case. They switched on me because I was trying to spill cigarettes. Trying to make it through. Hustling. When they told on me, they had telephones at this time. But I lost my telephone privileges. My mother came up there on October the 5th of 2013. To tell me that she had only six months to live. I didn't see it. But as soon as she left, she started to deteriorate. So after that was, I just kept doing what I was doing. Law Library and chapel. That's it. On these pictures, I know it's this one you were so serious, and then this one you were smiling like... I don't know. I haven't had that all my life. My auntie asked me when I was about ten, why was I always looking so serious? Because that one, he was smiling like really. I'm like, what's up with that? I don't know. I must have seen someone. I must have seen someone. So let's move on to the education. Education, yeah. So what made you choose, because I would think that when you came out, you don't want to get into law, like be a lawyer to try to, you know... Why not that? Because in Texas, they won't be a lawyer. I'm a convicted fellow. Now Texas Southern has my case in its innocence projects down there right now, and they're working to prove my innocence. Right? Now, I don't know if my death convictions will keep me from being a lawyer, but my thing is that I want to be somewhere around the criminal justice field. Right? So what was your major? My major, when I first started college, was a business administration. Okay. I was taking my basics. So once I got my basics out of the way, I changed my major to criminal justice. Wow. And so now you've been actively going, like you said, last week, you was downtown Dallas because somebody had gotten convicted. What was that about? Draylin Patterson. He was accused of being an uptown rapist. Okay. I don't think that he raped nobody. I think that he was out having sex with prostitutes. So, I was in a relationship with him, and they pulled a cord, which is, my situation went dealing with no prostitute, but it was dealing with a woman scorn. Right? So that's why I came in to try to assist in that. So when you meet these people, and because when you hear these cases, you go down here to speak to them to figure out is it true or not. How can you discern, okay, this person is willing for me to fight for them? I don't care what a person did. I don't care if you're guilty or innocent. I don't think I care about your constitutional rights being protected. Okay. Right? They've been guilty. Right? But did they violate your constitutional rights in the process? Okay. And nine times out of ten they did. I got you. And I love the way you break that down that it really is what happened with the white man, it happened. You know, and we can't go back and change what happened with our history and what we had went through. But you got to understand that if there's an opportunity, you know what I mean? And we can help try to help our people that a lot of time are going through a lot of things mentally because of what our people been through. Our people have been through a lot. Like you said, you talked about Bill Clinton. You talked about different things that you went through as a kid growing up. You didn't touch on racism a lot during your young childhood, but being in the country and dealing with the things that you've seen growing up, you understand what was going on. And I know your mom and your dad went through. And your mom's mom and your mom's dad went through. We start looking back, you go back a hundred years. You go back 150 years and you start to look at the lifestyle that they're having to deal with. And you start to see that this is what you came up under. You came through this to get to who you are now. These people are the ones that genetically inclined. It's in you to where you now react to things a certain way. I believe things are passed down genetically. So mentally you still have things that you deal with that you don't understand. Certain things that like we was talking about my son and the fact that how picky he is with his foods and all that stuff and some of the ways that he sat back and looked that he don't even know he's looking like my dad but I know that this is in him. So these are things that do affect us. And we can't get caught up in the fact of saying we went through that. We got different opportunities to say but you still got some mental conditioning to deal with. See my thing with us black people we don't want to learn who we are. We don't want to learn. We don't want to study. We don't want to read. We want to drink and draw and when we're drinking we think we're covering up pain and hurt. But actually we're making it worse. Until you face your opposition you can never correct it. Until you face and find out what happened to your foe father and your foe muscle then you don't know how to defend it. We don't want to educate our people especially our youth. Let them school names stay the same. Let Robert E. Lee stay up there. Let John Tyler stay up there. Because once you start turning that stuff down and changing the name of the school which is probably what white America want you to do you forget about what Emmett Till's name went through. The Mivir Evers went through. The the story about the birth of a nation. What's his name? We forget about that kind of stuff. White people want us to... Black people don't know. We were Republicans. We weren't no freaking Democrats. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan. And the police department they would call slave catchers. They had a dog called Nigga Eaters. But now you were the party that came standing together. Now you're even on the city level state level Wow man that's Daryl Davis Daryl Davis How long did it take you to get finished through school? I see you looking good man. Four years. You did that four years. I got locked up too tight. But you're a hero. Let me see what you got here man. This is my social arts degree You should be so proud of this. That's my social arts degree right there. Social arts degree right here man. So are you going back to school to get any other degrees? They want me to go give them a master's degree. Yeah that's what I was wondering. Get your master's and you doctor it. This is my uh... You should be so proud. Man here you go man. You show it to the camera because I mess up. Man at any rate man whoa man this is man this is nice man. Daryl Lynn Davis Bachelors of Science and Criminal Justice with all rights, privileges, honors appertaining there are two given under the seal of the College of Tyler, Texas on the this 15th day of May 2021 man. You should be so proud. And I made the honor roll. And you made the honor roll on the Dean's list man. They beat me out of point two points. I could have made the president of this. I went from making the Elvin Miners to being an honor roll student. So anybody can do it right? Anybody. If they put their heart to it. And put their heart to it. Man God got to stay for it. So how did you get them to start to fight for your case at that school? I didn't. They contacted me. I done got out of prison and the University of Houston had my stuff. When I was in prison that's all I did was write. I mean I wrote so much I had a big ball come up on my finger. Writing and litigating. When nobody answered me they weren't trying to hear me. But I never gave up. So messed up with the NAACP. They don't help nobody. Which is why I started equality and justice for all DLD right? We want to help people. Not just black people but people. Human beings because what I tell people when I speak is it's four things that a child have no control of. That's who their mother going to be. Who their father going to be. What gender they going to wear. And what skin color they going to wear. So that's what we're doing for us. And we claim to be God friend people and God loving people. We have to accept people for who they are. Right. How easy it is to find out because people say all the time because I always say the internet is here for you to find out anything you want to know about the law your rights so forth. And you talk about people out here who are in drugs or drinking, and so forth find this information out, but you have people who are regular working people who are so comfortable in their life who are not interested in to find out their rights until a police stop them and they start arguing, until they put into a certain situation then they start to research. But what would you say to people in general that they need to know and how easy is it to find out all of these rights? Because sometimes when you look in the social media, or not in social media, the Google, you have to put in the right set of words to figure out the information. Man, when I figured out with Google, all you got to do is talk to it, it's going to tear you away whenever you ask. Right? So I figure our people, we're unconscious people, we don't want to know. We want to know a bunch of bullshit, it don't matter, right? Like I was stating a while ago, we don't go to no meetings, we don't participate. Now we be the first to know what a party is at, what they going to have at the club, DJ so and so got this going down. But you don't never post nothing about it, they got a school board meeting at eight o'clock, they got a city council meeting at nine, they got commissioners, you don't see nothing on social media, why not? It's on certain groups, but you have to be a part of those groups to be able to see it. Why not for regular people posted? They posted everything else, right? We have a school, I call it Northside High School right here, but it used to be called John Tyler. Yeah. They got a school, I call it Southside High School, used to be Tyler Lee, Robert E. Lee, right? They got $600 million worth of buns to be a two schools in their city, right? They only be a one high school. Where the rest of the money come? They gave the other one a face lift, right? The black school, Northside High School, you give it a face lift, then beside that you go two and a half years and they don't have no kitchen in the school, right? I went undercover and investigated there and broke it before the school board. You feeding our kids like hen mates, you preparing their food from a closed down mill school and shipping it over there too, and they don't even know what's going on, that's a problem. That's a big problem. Did you get that resolved? Oh, most definitely. How hard is it to get something like that resolved? It's very hard because I don't have no help. I was the only one. I don't have no kids over there, right? And how long did it take for you to get it resolved? Not long. Because once I put it out there, everybody began to want to know about it now. So they said, we're working on it. We're working on it. So when they finally did have a ribbon cutting ceremony, they had the kitchen in there. But when I was first started in Quarantabada, they said they forgot to put the kitchen in it. Okay, I'm all right with that. We are human beings. We forget, right? But you ain't forgot for no three years. Wow. Right? So you would never intend to put no kitchen in there, right? So I was out there with my son, while my child, where my tax doll was going, while no kitchen. You by yourself? By myself, right? I'm always by myself. People don't want to get involved until it's directly effective, especially our people. That's why I just can't just totally bash white people because they will support a cause when we won't support our own cause. So when you did that, did you ever get anybody to start coming out and suppressing the time? Just you by yourself. You got to change by yourself. I got another guy that, he went to the school board meeting with me before coming out holding signs and demonstrating, because I don't do no protests, not just demonstrating. He come to the school board and spoke over there in the school board meeting. Well, here's what I want to do throughout this year. I'll be contacting you again, just to see where you at with different things and different things that you're dealing with. And just be looking here for me. I'll have you back on periodically. Because I feel like, you know, just your progress and the stuff that you're dealing with, because you're out here being an activist, doing the things that it takes to try to push change in the places where it needs to be. We would love to see you back on here throughout the throughout the course of 2022. If that's all right with you. Man, most definitely next time I tell y'all about how my mama got attacked and robbed when I was in there. Oh, yeah, we don't we don't talk about losing her lead by that. Ooh. So what injustice? Because you seem like you're always finding injustice other than your personal case. Are you trying to fight coming up? Oh, right now I'm interested in a case going on where a black guy married a white lady, white girl, they had a baby, the baby three, the baby died. They got both of them in jail on capital murder case, but they just seeking a deal pill against the black man, not the white woman. And I got a problem with that, because when I was locked up, they had a situation where this black guy ran with a group of white guys. The white guys go kill another one because I think it was homosexual. I think, you know, I don't know if you were a legend. OK. And the black guy was the only one got the death pill. And he wasn't the one to do the killing from that same town, Smith County. Well, I just thank you so much, man. God is, you know, basically the reason why you're able to do everything that you've done. And I applaud you for it. Man, I applaud you big time. I just thank you for the opportunity to come on, man. We just get started. Yeah, we just get started. We're going to continue to push, man, and try to use these microphones as a way to where we can pretty much help you to push your agenda in a way to where it can affect change in somebody that been through something or going through something may hear something that we say through you that can help change your life. Man, thank you so much. And if there's a YouTube page, you know, I'm trying to shout it out. Darryl L. Davis, two, seven, one, nine. So check me out, subscribe. I got a lot of legislation on that one down in Austin. Other other little different clips while I'm monkey shining. But it's be real. Let's talk about it. Darryl L. Davis, two, seven, one, nine. So there's somebody who is trying to fight for brother, uncle, sister, whoever and don't know how to fight for these people and would love to get your help. How can they reach out to you and equality and justice for our D.L.D. P.O. Box 51 81, Tyler, Texas 75712. My phone number is nine zero three nine four four forty four forty three. Easy number to remember. Reach out. Contact me. I'll be willing to come anywhere in the state of Texas at this moment. Man, that's so much love, man. So much love. And I thank God for your man. And I appreciate your man. Y'all have a platform to, you know, to produce stuff like this. Oh, man, we feel the work. You got so much madness out there. We feel the work. Bull corn that our people need to do better, man. We're going to do better. And I'm seeing my struggle from being thrown away in that concrete jungle for 18 years, six months, three weeks and five days to come out to where I am today. It's only by God's amazing grace, but God is not a God of partiality. What he do for one, he'll do for another one. See, people don't understand how God works. People look at situations and feel like, I don't know. Why is he doing this? Or why is he doing that? I not realize that God is preparing you for something greater down the line. And people tend to judge. They're not sitting down and being patient, because most human beings like us are not patients. It's like what you're saying earlier. You don't like to sit still. You like to know what's going on. And we have to realize God is not a right now God. He's our own time God. So we're in a microwave society, right? That's why we suffer from this. What they call COVID, right? Because we want everything right now. And what my husband always says that you have to meet people where they're at. You have to meet people where they're at. You can't judge people. We've got to meet people where they're at. Me, right? Thank you so much for coming on the show, brother. Man, thank you all for having me. We did it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.