 Thank you for keeping us company and if you are just tuned in this is why 254 news highlights discussion Monday we are looking at the question should the president dissolve his cabinet because we have seen in the recent days leaders from across the political divide piling pressure on president Hurukena to dissolve his cabinet. This is in the wake of a storm of the allegations to assassinate deputy president William Ruto and this has been going on. Discussion Monday want to see should the president do that and with me in studio is Karyuki Gonjiri he is a political analyst. Good evening sir. Good evening to you. Good to have you here. Thank you. Now according to member of parliament Kenan he says Kenyans have lost confidence in the current lot of cabinet secretary. Is this true? Okay maybe what he should have stated is the number of cabinet secretaries that Kenyans have lost faith in so that it doesn't have to be a blanket opinion. Because you want to induct somebody in the perceived cabinet reshuffle then you come out to the media to claim that the cabinet in its entirety is not equal to the task. Alright. For me let us not get into this hype of piling pressure on the president that he should reshuffle his cabinet in its entirety. Alright. Let us look at the performances of the individual cabinet secretaries. And if there is that one who is underperforming let him or her face the sucking if at all he or she is not ready to change and chances prove that even if given a second chance they will not be able to deliver. And remember what is curtailing the Uhuru Kenyata administration is an in-house problem. It is not a problem that is emanating from the cabinet secretaries. If they put the Jubilee Party in order then that is to say that the government's function would be in line with the Big Four agenda and what the Jubilee government promised its people. So for me I feel let us not condemn the whole cabinet. Alright. Let us look at the performance of individual cabinet secretaries. Alright. I would not want to mention names here because it remains an allegation until proven to be true. We have said cabinet secretaries and in your own opinion the whole bunch of cabinet secretaries would you say they have performed the first term of president Uhuru Kenyata and this second or now. Do you think the people who have been there actually majority if not all have remained in the cabinet? So do you think these people have performed to the standard expected? That clearly remains at the discretion of the appointee, the appointing authority that is the Uhuru Kenyata. And if you have seen him as per now he is not as he used to be maybe a few months ago before Rashid Achesa was sucked. Perhaps reading the mind of the president I can be able to see that he is contented with his cabinet. He has not complained yet apart from the recent allegations that were meted on his cabinet secretaries who then deny the claims that were meted on them as well. I have not had the president complained and if there is a cabinet secretary who is not doing as he should be doing according to me it is not we that are supposed to be compelling the president to suck them but it will be evident. How about if the president was turning a blind eye on this? I think the president is very focused on delivering on his de-election bid and as such I would and you have seen the president has been very serious with matters of delivery. He is not joking this time round. It is his second and final term and he does not give Adam to anything that will jeopardize his legacy. So let us believe him, let us give him the benefit of doubt because he has not yet come out to complain. What grounds would a cabinet secretary be sucked from office? Number one, in capacitation. That is if the cabinet secretary does not have the capacity to do the duty and then maybe he or she is not of sound mind if the cabinet secretary is not making wise decisions even the mental problem. Yes, there is now the issue of graft allegations. Now in such a case I would expect the cabinet secretaries themselves in a case where they are mentioned in a scandal. Even before the president sucks them, let them step aside and pave way for investigations so that if at all they are not guilty they will be reinstated. You just said it to expectation but we have seen this happen more often. Someone is mentioned but they are still in office and they think they will not move. We have seen that happen. At what point do you think Kenya will get to a stage? In such a case we would be justified as the people who gave the president the mandate to lead us as a people. So in such a case where we have a cabinet secretary who is in a scandal and in this case a cabinet secretary whose all chances links him or her to that very scandal, then that person would better step aside as early as possible. However, we cannot underestimate the people's opinions and what the masses feel. Yes, they are justified to give their opinions in matters of national discourse and we will not fault them for the same. But again, let us not get hyped up by the issue of saksak saksak and it is a perception that is being paralleled by even people who have interest. Some of them would want to have their communities represented in the cabinet and okay, represented more because we have quite a good share of representation even if it does not meet the constitution of threshold. Actually speaking of which, there has been a question of deputy president bringing the rangos between the two sides, those people who are loyal to the president and those who are said to be affiliated or aligning with the deputy president. Now who is to blame between this part? The problems that you are seeing right now have neither emanated from the deputy president nor the president. They have emanated from the people who claim to be the mouthpieces of the two. This is Ki eleweke team and the Tanga Tanga team which is the genesis of all these problems and it is docks on the doorstep of the president and his deputy as the two principles in the Jubilee party to call their house in order and solve their in-house problems. I expect a complete overhaul in the whole Jubilee party discourse. Even you have seen members of the Jubilee party asking for a parliamentary group meeting is necessary and is inevitable. If at all the Jubilee government seeks to propel this country to the next level and as well deliver on the big four agenda. Now, so a member of parliament, Khalib Kositani, thinks the president is wrong on his silence following the allegations of assassination of deputy president. Now, what's your point? What's your taking this? What should the president say? What should he do? Because we have the DCI doing their mandate. Okay, you see we have not yet had the deputy president talking of the same. Equally, we cannot expect the president who in such a case is a second party. The deputy president is the first party has not made a public complaint on the same. So it becomes very tricky for the president to state his opinion or otherwise in such a case where investigative agencies are going through the whole process and the whole thing of how would it appear if the president was to side with either. Whether on the negativity of the allegations or the positivity of the allegations. So I think from where I sit the president has heard the wisdom of Solomon and he has been able to at least be sit at the back and wait for the investigative agencies to do their job. As a nation with the said allegations, where do we stand politically and even economically with such allegations? With such allegations I think that this brings a problem in the whole cabinet because the deputy president is a member of the cabinet and the people who are being indicted are in a very same cabinet. So that one tells you that in a way even if they would shelve their personal problems during cabinet meetings and as follows in their functions, then we cannot run away from the fact that there will be a little bit of enmity. But again in such a case a wisdom of the moment is that let them declare that yes we might have some ideological differences but at least we are in the cabinet and serving the Kenyan people. So we have to do what is supposed to be done at this moment. God bless of what you feel whether you will support me for president or you will never support me for president. The people of Kenya are the ones who hurt each time there is a tango in the cabinet and this owes to why they gave president Uhuru Kenyatta a mandate of another five years to also constitute a government which now is rushing again its time to deliver on the big four agenda. So I think it is for those cabinet members to shelve their personal differences and focus in helping the president to deliver on his big four agenda. So that one now shifts to how the economy will fare going forward. It will mean that even if there are differences in the cabinet they will be driven by one mantra that is service to the people of Kenya and that is what is very important for them at least at this moment. Alright as we wind up in as much as serious as the matter is because having a plot or allegations to murder the deputy president he is one person who is interested in the presidency come 2022 campaigns and he wants to be there. Now do you think because some people are saying its seeking sympathy in your own opinion as we wind up actually. Okay you see in politics we have such complexity whereby it is perception that works facts never works. So whenever there is a perception that has come out that for example there are people who are playing fall on me and as such the people should get feel sorry for me and to interpret it from different tangos. It depends from which camp perhaps one is from because a person who is from the deputy president side would say that look what do you want to stop the deputy president from becoming president that means he has already won the confidence of the people. Then on the other side you have people from maybe the Kieluweke or the Nasa side would say that look the deputy president just wants to get sympathy so it becomes a little bit complex and unless the investigative agencies get to the bottom of this we cannot be able to establish or even passive the truth as to this. As I finish because I understand that time is running against us there is a certain issue that has a reason and I had some several youths complaining that the people who are being considered for the census jobs will not be ordinary the majority unemployed young Kenyans who have decreased and diplomas. So I ask myself as a young guy why would this state or why would this state of the nation be at this time when we are talking of a very high rate of unemployment among young people. That is what a guy by the name Muriuki watching us in a hotel in Muranga would tell me that look we need people and leaders who would at any given time even if you woke them up at 4 am in the morning the people of Kenya would be at their pulse. So for me I think that it is time our leaders focused on the people's driven problems if a certain citizen has an opinion as regards to a certain policy then be heard and let the government and the people in leadership apply curative measures to that problem. So as we finish today I know it is there is a game that is coming up. Actually it is ongoing Mali it is playing so after here I don't think you will find the first half the second half actually. I bet because I will be trafficking issues I will get perhaps the Ghana game I am a Ghana fan. Alright you watched the Ghana versus Tunisia. Alright many thanks for coming just one minute my director yes or no should the president disservice cabinet? No it should not. Alright many thanks for keeping us company this is why 254 discussion Monday have been speaking to Ngojurika Yuki he is a political analyst and coming up next is why Mashariki keep it why 254 I will see you again on Monday. Have yourself a very good night.