 in order and there's shorter businesses that I'm going to resign as secretary effective this morning. I just I'm done looking at much time and energy and work into it. I mean I write them and then Karen did the rewrite them and saw the whole thing is just like crazy. So I'm done. Pace level is gone. I'm stuck here, but I've been, I'm a man. I've just done it. You've done it very well. That's pretty exciting. I appreciate your work. Yeah, you've done this. It's, it's, it's a little bit of yours. It's, it's a skill set that I know I do. So, um, so I guess what that does is it puts us on the first order of business of, um, under other business we're going to have to, um, collect music. So, um, we'll add that to our data moving forward. We need to have somebody that is willing to take minutes at this time or if we can push the other business up with approval, um, to go ahead and take care of this first thing so we can give it to the secretary. So, um, can I get an option that we could vote on? I move that we, uh, move other business up to, to, to take care of this agenda. I second that. Okay, great. Um, can, is there anybody that's willing to put themselves out there to do this? Connie Steppen went from the board. All right. Are you going to be returning to the board? This kind of changed. Can I nominate Karen? It's just for two meetings, really, because we'll be electing her in January. Is that something you're going to do? Thank you. Okay. Um, so all in favor of Karen being the secretary until the end of, um, the season in January? I, okay. It's been approved. All right. Moving forward. Um, the triple of the minutes from the previous board meeting. Um, all right. We made the changes to them, uh, with some suggestions from Karen. I went back and watched the meeting again and reworked all the minutes. Um, so, I think that's what these are. Yeah, that's, these are reworked. Karen, I don't know how fair you are with that. I interpret most of what you have. There's some things, one that I didn't put in, because they weren't mentioned at the meeting, so I didn't put them in. So, I think the only highlights that I think are necessary to just address, so that speaks to minutes forward. Um, I had taken out those couple of sentences you had in the manager's report, only because they're in the manager's report. But that, that, that information is in the manager's report. And the whole point by the way is to be separating from what you were going to say, is to not be redundant and write certain things in the minutes and omit, you know, by any purpose or anything, but omit other information. So, it was just a matter of, you know, make those, those two sentences out because they're in the manager's report. And I left them in because they were just, they were discussed at the meeting and kind of highlight, basically, of the, of the review. Yeah, there we go. So, because they were highlights, you want me to, okay? So, so do we want to approve the minutes as submitted by Karen Crete? Well, and there's one of the most thing that is of importance, and that's in the end of this is with respect to when we were going to actually read that email. And rather than paraphrase, I think it would be probably more appropriate if we either quote something or just attach the email. That's true. We could do that. It works. Yeah. Yeah. I like to attach the email that way, too. It's just, it's clear that it's exactly what it was. Right. Yeah. So, I would say, and I've sent a new version of, I copied you, you, and Kathy this morning of that, just leaving that or making it, you know, basically the first part of this up to where he reached out to Susan Davis of Kingville, Maine. And then I put, Kathy read the email, you see the attached email that was provided, the board members were attached. So, just for, and really it's, I want to make sure that everyone understands it's not a nitpicking thing. It's not personal. It's more of a, because of all of the research that was done for the grant. And then discrepancy and information, the inaccuracies was really difficult. I'm trying to preserve things so that they're as actual and consistent as possible. And that's really my focus with being really, I'm going to take this about documenting things. It makes it easier for people coming in. Yeah, or in front of us. It's okay. Okay. So it's really more from that point. So, if that's okay. Yeah. I think that's a very good suggestion. So, so we'll attach the email. Okay. Okay. I'll move we accept the minutes as presented with that. Copy out that the email be attached. Okay. Okay. Moving forward. House images report and Kathy is not doing well. Okay. So, okay. Let's see what you get. I know she's secret. I don't know if they need to answer, but I have a couple of some questions. I don't know if it's nice that she's added one new book. I wanted to know how it was selected, how many members are involved in meetings they've had for months. If they do any community service or outreach or benefit, focus on philanthropy for the community. So, but again, the purpose behind that everything I do is with purpose. So, I just want you to know it's nothing never any kind of personal attack. The purpose behind that is that for future grant writing, we want to diversify the clubs that meet here as much as possible. And that includes not just what they do for their own club, but what they do for the community. Because that does go nicely and presenting a reason and a very justified reason why they should invest in our project. Okay. So, any other questions? Yeah. I was going to ask when were the selections for that there to be that because obviously the I think we have that as a it is right under the grants. Okay. And then our carry on to another board meeting to present anything because there is no plan for that at this moment until I have anything to present. I think we have a moment. Okay. All right. Is there anything else? I'll probably just table this for the next month, but just the breakdown of events. I know we keep having tours open houses and hard walk ice cream and under functions, but we also have it separated and open housing tours might be more effective for again, future grant writing if we have those numbers separated out. Okay. Well, that's something to consider and and honestly for clarification when we go forward to present to the city council, I would like to make sure that those numbers are really clear and concise so that we can see that. But that's something that we're still working on. So, again, that's that's on moving forward then from the house management support. Oh, I'm not saying I'm sorry because we have revenues year to date at one hundred forty thousand and expenses year to date at one hundred eighteen thousand. That means approximately twenty two thousand is being put in the calic on the house. But do you know about that? The funds are done until final until the end of 2023. And she does have some bookings that are set for this year where they put out these out, you know, and hadn't gotten all the money in. So, this number is still moving target. Right. And it's not final by any stretch. At least that is going to be right. They're operating in black. It's doing fine. And it's booking things. She said there was a wedding coming up in winter, which was on, you know, we'll take it though. So, there's always that haven't had a receipt yet because that wedding hasn't happened. So, there, as far as I'm aware, it's operating in black. The amount of the black is not going to be finalized until spring. Correct. Yeah. And again, the purpose behind the question there is if for some reason, because we're concerned that the grant fund is not potentially covering all the projects. Should we, for some reason, we need additional funding, then either we have that in the Almond House Fund because that is the purpose of the fund to help provide restoration, preservation of the house. And then also for additional funds that we have then to match for another wedding. I would say at this moment that that's everything to car before the forest and we don't even have the bid yet awarded. But I mean, there's so many unknowns at this point and those are excellent questions. It's probably just further downstream to be focusing our nervous about it at this time. Right. Only because it was raised when Carrie and Ozzy were here that the bids may come in higher than our grant amounts would provide. We need double check to make sure. I understand where you're coming, Karen. I think it's we're trying to have someone's own forethought ourselves to kind of, and it's all speculation. It is, but if we have knowing that the bids are probably going to be higher than that gives us the chance to get ahead of it and to plan and try to come up with some positive options. So we have a flexibility in that way too. Okay. Does anybody else have any other questions and regards to the status of the grant? Okay, we're going to move forward to the Christmas second house decorating on the 14th and luncheon. Exactly. Does everybody know the time on that? Okay. Okay. I was going to say, so that's a little late starting. Yeah, it's 9am. Yeah, it's 9am. And is there anything that are we thinking about in the past? I know we did the themed tree upstairs. Were we thinking of anything or repeating that? Or is there any suggestions that we have for the current staffs of how we'd like to decorate the trees in each room? Does anybody have ideas? Well, we already have all the decorations up there. So basically, unless we're going to buy all of them today. No, but last year I brought the storybook characters. So are we going to do that? Are you willing to do that again? I still have them. I didn't get rid of them. And I graciously kind of asked Cecilia to do that. I wasn't sure or if you're willing to, if you want anybody to get bad pieces or are you willing to just take that tree. And she did such a beautiful job with it. And if y'all have the same things, storybook character kind of things or teddy bears or whatever, that would be great. Yeah, I have thought about bringing glass ones that I'm thinking. Because I have grids like Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan, and they're all kind of all in glass. I think with kids up there. I like yours are much more durable. But they are. I've got glass too. But it just, it gets mingled a little bit and we are de-decorating. So if y'all don't mind. No, I don't mind. I think they would be very furious. I was like, he has bags the other day. I thought, okay, we'll have them ready if we need to. So basically, that's what I was asking. I know we have a pretty set tradition on what we do with certain trees. But that one, Connie, was very gracious to do that. And I didn't know who were going to do that. It would be y'all if y'all wanted to. Oh, absolutely. That would be most appreciative. That's why it's on that. And then for the luncheon, I wasn't sure exactly how we were doing that. Was she going to take orders? Is that what we're doing? Or are we going to just ground-bake it and bring it in? I think she was going to send it out order-free, by the way. So if you want to have it, I believe it's been here. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. We, each of us individually knew happily what we would request from Penny, right? Because that's what she had said. Hey, you've been telling me. I figured she'd be sending out something to us before and now. Because I'm sure she's probably getting a set price of some kind. I'll just wait until she sets out an order. Because obviously, you know, I don't want to do much of that or just make it simple. We'll touch base with her and make sure in her not feeling most aches. Right. Yeah. Watch everything. Wait a while. It is. I don't think I've ever had any. Okay. On to, unless anybody has any other Christmas separating. Has everybody been in and where their Santa has? Anyway, moving on to the Santa open house or the open houses 2022, Santa open house on December 2nd. Registration and opening November 18th. It's the 18th. It's the 17th of the 18th. It's right around the corner and we're just going to wait and see how it goes. It's all set to go. So you can look online at the registration thing and you can read the whole thing and look at it, look at the times and it just says if you click on it, the registration. Okay. So we were trying to have people be able to open it throughout the day and then register the next day. Thank you so much. Okay. And then as far as staffing, I know that we're going to be carrying you and said something about reaching out to past board members. I haven't done that yet because I did not want there to be a feeling of expectation or anything with that given that the board interviews not yet encouraged. So I didn't want to, we know at least one, maybe a second prior board member who's applied and I didn't want them to feel notification or that there was an expectation that they had to serve. Well, and Kathy's been a really generous at volunteering for some of Sam, who's one of our recreation staff members at her events. And so Sam is graciously offered to man the door. So then that one, there's no easier knowledge of Callahan to be fully accessible to people in the building. And then she can just do the door admittance stuff to read. Oh, that's nice. Thank you. Thank you for doing that. I've met Sam. So I guess that what that does is it enables us to figure out how would we like to then staff it ourselves. I know we were assigned rooms and what last year, I'd like to do that now. So I'm going to put it up to you, the board, on how exactly we'd like to go ahead and staff this in the past. We had a committee, but we didn't have a committee for this this year. So how would we like to go ahead and staff the space? Any suggestions? Do we like pick where we want to be? Is that what you mean? Well, I know that unfortunately, because of last year, my mother passed away about this time. So I wasn't here at the event, but I know that I had requested that I could be in the Santa Room for a certain period of time. Didn't we switch off? We located that. And I think we should set that up so we have a rotation again. I think that would be good because that's a cool area to be in. And then we can solve the joy of the kids and stuff. I like work in the bridal area. If you do a bridal room, it's warmer. It's a little bit warmer. And you want to rotate or you don't care too. I'm fine just in the bridal room because I go ahead and introduce the children to my bedroom. Okay. So Janice pick is the bridal. Okay. And did you have any preference? I like the pearl room. Okay. And you don't, do you care to rotate? I don't, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care. Only if you, okay, but you don't have to. If you like the pearl room, let's put you there and then. Yeah, I mean, if I get bored, you want to change. Yeah. I don't really, it doesn't bother me. Okay. Here. It doesn't matter to me. I'll take the music room. What music room? Music library either way. I'm flexible. Okay. Does anybody want to rotate? Or is it just, and part of that is my husband has a leg procedure that's scheduled at 1.30 that day. Oh, okay. So, and it's going long yet. So, I was like, okay, I didn't know that until we got our calendars together. Okay. So, I may be only here like a bit over or something. So, if I can be the broker. Yeah. But that would be a good place to put you. And then, and so when you can. And if it doesn't work, because we all have situations in our life that come up and it will just go from there. Karen Christ, if you have a preference for you want to be, I would choose. I'd love to be in the sample room. I love kids. Because I didn't get to experience that last year. I really love to do that. And there you go. If that's okay. I like to be greedy or anything. Okay. So, are we all set then? Is there any more discussions on open houses at this point? All right. Moving forward to the house manager's project. Five minutes. And the big thing was that it's going to ask Cappy where we're on the ordering of the framing system. Do you know anything about it then? Okay. So, we'll move right ahead then. Past and present board member wall acknowledgement project. Have we heard anything more from the preacher to do the backgrounds on that? We don't have an update on that. Okay. We're getting closer to fully staffed in our organization, which is awesome. Is this something that's really going to be probably put off until the first three years? Most likely. With all of these season coming up and everything. But they won't get to it. If you need it sooner, let me know the urgency of that because we can send that out for pay. No. I don't think we want to have to pay for that. I'm okay if we push it off. Personally, unless anybody else, I am personally okay if we just push it off. I'm just trying to get a mindset in my head. If this project, if they can't even look at it until the first year, fine. Then we're going to put it off and we'll table it and we'll put it back on for discussion. He can talk about the project until January. But if that's where you're coming from, I just need to know. I will. I'll reach back out. The things that I heard is that I believe it's very possible to come up here. The other thing that we're wondering is if there's a time that you guys are about to do a reenactment of that scene into a photograph from the same angle of this time frame. Obviously, it's a future boat because the garden is not where you'd want it to be for a letterhead. She was thinking those two options either restore what was, which they can still do because they came across pretty nicely, and or recreate. Or have both, you know, because you could see. I like the idea of doing a historic one, but for the future reference, I think it would be great to have a future used to have a more. What is everybody's opinion on that? Can we clarify what it is? It's an image of the letter that we're just talking about the letterhead, right? Right, which is a very decorative like a four inch tall image. It's a very fan of the letterhead. So we have the right choices to use the original, or do a new one, and or if you wanted to recreate it. Because it looks very photographic. It does. It is. It's a very tongue-counting letter to the board. New City, after his visit, was on that station. I personally did that board scanning and recreation. It's like a photograph of the postcard that they had with the California house. We have one of those postcards, too. You know, if you were going to decide that I'd have to see the example, you know, it sounds beautiful. It does. It does. And it was, you know, it was beautiful. It was an inter-color story. Personally, from the historic value, I like to use the original simply because of what the house is, and kind of how we as board members are custodials for that, and that's what it's representing. So I kind of, that's my viewpoint, but I just like it. I'm a very visual person. I like to see it. So I like the option. And you just, you threw another option out there that I'm like, ooh, what happened? You even thought that was possible. So without seeing anything, my first choice would be to stay with the original. Exactly. But, you know, it's going to be a lot of work to come up with the option that we may not even want. And time and time's money. And I don't ever want to waste anybody's time. But it's not something that we want. But it's nice to know that the option exists, isn't it? Yes. I have one other comment or possibility. It's using the old one and then have a new parallel photograph, you know, from the same angle, basically, just side by side, you know, in and out that thing. And that was, and maybe in ovals or something, you know, just to make it less rectangular. But that was just something that I was thinking in terms of the letterhead. It would be interesting with the historical comparisons. That would be pretty simple. That's neat. And the other aspect is we want it to represent the house. But also, we don't want to take away from the names of the people I observe. Because that's what we're looking at as the people I observe. What do you think? That was the intention to start. But for having the letterhead, I think that's what people wanted to include before the wallet announcement. That is right. I like the idea of the more historic one. But I do think for a letterhead, I think we would like to use that as a letterhead to reach out. I think it puts a nice which brings up a whole other subject. But the bottom line is it puts us at a nice stamp of who we are. It's almost like having the city seal or something. I would like to bring us back to that point where we've got something that really says, hey, we are special. This is us. Okay. Moving on to scrapbooks. I don't have any updates. I'd like to see if this is a busy time where I could have one or two people that would be interested in putting the things together. I keep filing all this stuff. But it's just a matter of getting all the paper and notebooks and all that kind of stuff. I'm willing to volunteer myself indecently. But until I'm through the wedding and I can breathe, I can, and just so you all know, my refrigerator went out too. So this is how it goes. So I am waiting for a refrigerator to fit this week before Thanksgiving. So yeah, it is what it is. It'll be interesting. This Thanksgiving might be a real interesting one. But if you guys want to work on that prior to December and be not having a twitch that, that would be okay. Anybody else that would like to volunteer to work on that? You know, I mean, you want to put it off into next year. I mean, my holidays are crazy. Everybody's holiday. Yeah. I know. January, February time. And I will be rotated off the board. So that's, I know that this has been a delay to, but anyway. So anyway, I would volunteer next year, but this from now to the end of the year. It's on film. I'm gonna. I know how my, you know, you can take the historian person next year. So I mean, it's not an urgent thing right now. Okay. Moving on to the Catholic House, advisory reports and city council. And so really what it is that we Karen and I met and we Henry and I met and we went over basically what the past reports have looked like. And that's basically what we're going to do is stick to what the past reports have looked like and very much copy that. The only difference that we have done is we did this. We did with Karen Cruz's help. We did the questionnaire for the clubs. And I, we've gotten this back and I would like to, for us all to sit down, Connie, you're on that as well. And I'm willing to the week of the 14th is the only one that I really have any time to even look at this guys. So I would like if it works and if it's, if it works, I'd like to get together and sit down and go through all of it. I have looked at what has been said and some clubs were wanted to fill them out individually. I met with six of the seven and you got, you've got the one and they wanted to just the one. So basically I'd like to take those surveys and bring them together and then we're going to, I'm not quite sure how to do this, but I think that information needs to be submitted and how those surveys should just disappear or be thrown away. So that should be Italian and then the surveys themselves should be I'm not quite sure on that, but for the most part they're very excited and they had, because we had talked about bringing more clubs, I got some great responses back from a couple of good women that one of them said a teacher and she would love to be able to bring her girls of science to be hosted here as a club. Now, but the big question that she had is, do we have Wi-Fi and the ability to do that? We have Wi-Fi, we can do that. I think that's good and I know that Kathy has very much been clear that she's concerned about bringing more clubs in, but I've spoken with Ben and with Jeff Briesner and was assured that we could do that with staffing and so that shouldn't be added on to Kathy's plate per se, but maybe included on to Jacqueline's or whatever city staff has been chosen to handle the clubs. I just think that we have the option and the ability to do that and it's really what the house was intended for and I think we need a whole truth to what the intention of the house is. I mean that's what the gift is. It wasn't just for the in a program, I'm speaking my personal opinion and also what looked reading from what Thomas said in this letter and gifting this house to the women of Longmont. I think we do need a whole truth and a mission in that sense that it is a gift and that for women to meet and if that includes, you know, like the book club had a couple of gentlemen and other girls, I think that's great. But I think the intent is that it should be used and that's why we're here and we have the events in order to have the house open for these clubs to meet. This and I want to put forth to the board, you know, it always plays into the cost on what we can afford to do and what other people can afford to do. I think, you know, we've got to have a balance of how many clubs should be here. It can't be over the top to the point where it's not workable. But I think we should look at the number of events that we're hosting that are revenue and then what is a good measurable group what we can handle, what's acceptable and then again, then we need to look at the process of who chooses the group? How are they selected? Are they just, you know, if somebody raises their hand highest? I mean, that was one of the questions was brought forth to me by a couple of the people of the club and I said, well, that's a really good point. I don't know exactly, maybe we should be putting up a selection process that they have to fill in an application and we look at the application and then we see what is. Do we have that many people interested? You wouldn't believe you did that. How many people were brought forth and said, we didn't think it was an option because we've got all the club options, things were closed. Well, and I do want to just reiterate that, you know, at the beginning of the meeting, there was money, money, money, money, where money, money, money, so that's one hand. And then there's the youth's part. And I think that there are designated group days because that allows for the revenue options that are very important for historical preservation. And there's only so many hours in the day and maybe there's a spot from two to four that might be available. I'm just saying that out, but probably wouldn't fit for a STEM group of students. You know, so, you know, just be aware that there's this huge money, money, money, youth's, youth's push and pull going on. And ultimately, I believe, Karen has been tasked with balancing those two. Yeah. Sorry, Kathy. Sorry, Kathy. I think you have some really excellent questions. And I really feel most comfortable if Kathy was here to hear those questions. So I agree. But fine. But it can't be just no. And that's what I've heard from Kathy. That ultimately, correct me if I'm wrong, but the answer can be no, because she's been hired to do that piece for the city and has the responsibility for that piece. And this is an advisory board whose input is very important. And at the end of the day, it's on the staff shoulders to do that piece. Except if, and just one minute, except if you're looking at, and you really look at the calibrates and how many much staffing is really going on, there are openings. Just like you said, it could be from two to four and may not be available for certain groups. It's fine. It can't just be no, I think there's a workable option. And I'm not talking, we've gone from 33 clubs and I'm not saying that we're going back to 33 clubs, but it can't be just seven or a certain person's daughter's book club because she happens to, it works. And she can't just choose and pick and choose which ones are allowed. I think it should be open to everybody and not just certain groups because they're friends. And I think that's an excellent point. I think that also we're having some major renovations happening next year and that to have a ton of groups added in when you're going to displace them for renovation. The timing's interesting. This is why we put the club affair off. But again, I don't think it should be off the table to discuss it and try to come up with a solution or a working solution. So when we get to that point after the renovations were there, we can put it in place. And there's got to be a happy medium somewhere that, okay, is it 10 clubs? Is it 15? I don't know. But the discussion, I think, should take place and positively and try to come up with options. So, okay, if we can only work these certain dates and that's it. But I was also brought forth, but that's why we have city staffing that we can do this. And then we are an advisory board, but we've also been a fundraising board in the sense for the house. We've had the ice cream social and other things. This is one of the things that if we want to choose because it has been stated by Cappy's clubs do not pay for themselves. I got that. Clubs don't pay for themselves. But they fulfill what the charter is of the gift. And that's very key. It is very key and it's stated what this was given for. It was never given as, oh, just a wedding move. This is, it was never given as that. So it's got to be balanced. And I'm sorry. And I just want to say too, you're mentioning the charter and obviously they gave us to us in 1938. They didn't give us an endowment to pay for it. So we have to use, and the city is managing it now, but we have to have revenue and weddings and dinners and stuff bringing in revenue. Clubs don't. And so, and also they gave it as a club place for the women, which it's supported by not completely, but it is supported by tax dollars, which are paid by men and women. And so I think we need to say times have changed and get away from this. It's for the women because, you know, really we could have a lawsuit by a men's group and say, hey, you know, we could lose our, so we've got to be careful. We've got to change with the times and say that, okay, yeah, we understand why the Callagans donated. There was nothing for women back then. It was 1938. We just walked out of a depression. Times were different. I think there were 7,000 people in Longmont at that time. There's 100,000 people in Longmont now and we're a driving city. But, you know, we have to make something work here that, yeah, we want to keep it as a, that people can use it. But we also don't want it to drive into the hole because we've got so many clubs, we don't, we can't be revenue generating. I agree. I agree. Absolutely. I think that everyone has an agreement with there is a balance that's necessary for this house of revenue generating and meaning the purpose of the gift. And I think, given that, that balance has to occur and obviously to the city, we'll understand, all right, there are certain days that are best for revenue generating events. That might also come into the middle of the week rather than just began since mine. But there's also a, an importance and value to creating criteria for selecting clubs that we'll meet here. And I think that that's probably a component of what you're trying to address is that we, we need to probably come up with some criteria for selection. And is this something that I'll schedule in the work session is that's where you're going with that? That's probably the place to discuss that. If we're going to come up with a criteria, and if so, what is it, an application form, whatever that may be? Yeah. And be, it can't be too selective. Again, if it's supported by tax dollars, right, respect, everybody's paying, absolutely. So we can't, you know, we're going to set criteria and eliminate a certain group of people who are contributing to upkeep of this. Yeah, be very careful there. Right. I don't disagree, but I also want to break, I think we need to historically recognize what the gift was. And I disagree. I think there's a lot of men's organizations that, that have groups and, and meet in certain things. And I know that the same goes for some of the Latino groups and the Latino youth. We're not excluding anyone. I think anybody, any electricity can apply. I think that we just need to have some criteria. And I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think we forget the past either. Yeah, I'm not saying forget, I'm not saying we have to be inclusive. Right. I'm, I'm way for being inclusive. We already have a book club with the gentleman and others. So we have wedding venues and we don't exclude anybody from walking in these doors. So I don't, I don't think that we need to bring that as a major point. But that's, again, that's a discussion that needs to be decided by the board on what the criteria is. I think personally this comes down to, we need to set up a, a working group that will work on this. Or should this be put off to next year? I think what is it? Yeah. So nobody's, nobody's wrong, right? In this discussion for sure is one thing that's, that's clear to me, but the, there's a balance. I think picking a number is a wrong way to go. I think the balance has to do with availability because, because you have different puzzle pieces fit in different ways at different times. So two years from now might be a different group that's a little differently. You can add another club. So be cautious about a number. I think we are on our, the city end, open to the session about how to get more clubs in. We have had a little bit of movement on staffing. Finally, and staffing has been a nightmare, but we have had a little bit of movement. So things are starting to open up as far as, or at least I hope they're starting to open up. It seems that way. And the one thing that I would be, that scares me a little bit is when you talk about criteria for a club. I'm all, I like, I'm okay with the, you know, if you have three spots to fill and you've got five clubs, you have to have some way of choosing. That makes sense. I just be really cautious about what that, what that criteria is as far as that equitable, equitable offering. So that's where I go. And this is, I think it means writing to exactly what you're talking about is getting together and talking about those things. You may speak to that just a little bit. And in that criteria, I envision because for grant writing purposes, you want to diversify the clubs. You want to show all the different types of clubs that you're meeting and also how they are providing benefit to the community in all those different ways. So there's a, I mean, it's a little more complicated than it's not a number. And it is not a, well, is it men or women? It is, what are they about? What do they do for themselves? What do they do for the community and beyond? That's, that's what I focus on and solely for, you know, the purposes of making this look really fine. A good one might be something along the way. Does this club contribute as a, I don't even want to say nonprofit, but as a volunteer, as a philanthropy to the community, that would be, so it's striking as a solid criteria. Just again, be cautious. I'm not arguing not saying no. I think that's a good discussion. I think it's a thank you Ben. I appreciate the discussion and that is key. So coming up with a thing in the other comment that was said to me by you and both Jeff is that Kathy is supposed to be scheduling and doing stuff because she doesn't have to host every single event. That's what we have staff for. And that was what was stated to me and I'm taking you on that and I understand staffing is difficult. So as a burden wise, this shouldn't fall on Kathy to set up and do all the clubs. It should actually be part of staffing. And that is, again, the balance that she doesn't have to be here for everything. I understand where she's coming from because I'm very much of that type of person that if I sign up, I'm doing and I'm going to follow through. I want to make it handled. But I think I think that's one of the things that her job is to schedule and handle the overall projection of the house correct. Is that my understanding of that position? That is not her only job. But that's one of her jobs in my misunderstanding. I guess I want to make sure that we as a board have a clarification of what that entails because, again, I don't want anybody overwhelmed. I just think that trying to have a better informed. So when we're doing this, we're coming to and looking at it from up here, not micro to oversee the big picture a little bit. That's one of the important. And I think for the first time, we actually have one new staff member who has come on board in the last two years. So I'm not trying to I'm just sharing with you that staffing and finding there's a desire to have more than one body here. Yeah, we want to have a very professional and capable of host or hostess mentality when they're here, even for our clubs and things like that. So it has not been easy because we don't offer four years a week the benefits to do that. And and the times are inconsistent in finding somebody who is able to come in during school job times or during other parts of life has been difficult. So we started to loosen up one amazing staff member new on staff. Thank you. But sharing that information is so crucial because it's hard if we are understanding exactly where you guys are coming from because we're making assumptions. And again, assumptions are not always the best thing. So if we have informed information, I think it helps in the discussion. So again, so we're going to go ahead. So we're getting a little off the track of the agenda. But I appreciate the information here. Yes, that's the service. Is it Jacqueline? I think it can be either or and both have life. Does that look okay? Well, to my knowledge, we have to cancel the club due to life happening for one of the others. So if something happens, someone else comes in. I was here for one night. My son was here for one night. So you've done clubs too, Finn? Oh, I was here for one night. I think it's hard. So we can put you on the schedule? But the meaning that city staff is not just the Calhoun staff. So I think a good thing for us to happen is before we start talking about how many more meetings is where our resources available. Let's get a good idea of how many hours we can staffing we have before we start the schedule, I should say per month. But they've got to be trained so well. So if we know what our resources are and we know what our law is, where is everything open up the house to this? Jacqueline does a lot of that. She does a lot of that. I mean, she was here for all the clubs when I was here and doing all of it. Exactly. And she handles the clubs. We're going to have to learn and curvey some of those trains. The person named Betsy is being trained. She's going to be at two winter venues this year. And if it's anything like other areas I've done with the city, it takes a good solid year to get someone underneath, you know, ready to move in the different directions. So I'm just assuring you that it's happening. They're very pleased with the results based on other eyes open for other people who have that very odd flexible to do a great job. It's a unique asking for people to do it. So that's good to know. Again, thank you. But I like the aspect that, okay, we've got somebody. So that's a start. And I'm very good point that we look at scheduling and what works. And I think that's that's key question. Yes. And this is more for Ben as well. And I think if we were looking at the going back to the reports and the questionnaire kind of thing is the end scheduling and purpose criteria. Are there any criteria matrix matrixes for usage of the senior center and the different public library has has their meeting room criteria and things like that, that we could look at or be aware of or it may be online for that matter. Well, if you're wanting to rent a room at the museum, no, I think short answer. No, we certainly have suitability. Each facility has suitability. I think where you guys are going, though, is more of a suitability between A and B, like a choosing between this group and this group sort of thing. And, you know, how appropriate are there. And again, I don't know what the demand is and what we have been on all those things. So the short answer to that is no, because we manage rentals in a different way. Right. You know, are they suitable for our facility for what we generally do? You know, we wouldn't have a pot shop kind of do a seminar at the Memorial building, for example. Right. We're not there yet. Yeah, I know. But that is so, I don't know the answer to that. But I'm doing it for you guys to go on on this. I think the format of a matrix definitely exists. So do you guys have your criteria and you want to get the way to certain areas? There are definitely farms and things. The scoring matrix is out there to insert your criteria. Is there a specific area that we should look to pull those matrixes? You know, I think if you guys set together your areas, the elective score on it, you know, at these later meetings, finding the format to put them in will be pretty easy. Okay, so we can certainly all do that. Okay. Well, so that was that was my other issue. So in going forward, because this is going to be put to City Council, do we want to ask for a time slot? Or no, not a time slot. But that is on my mind slot to get on the City Council agenda. But now, do we want to ask if they want to support us in the sense of giving us like a grant for somebody that's that is less fortunate, that would like to be here, and we'd like to cover that cost. That was one of the things that I was thinking and rolling around on my mind, because I know they have supported other groups and organizations that way, by giving funds to support a specific view of what the Council's agenda is. Did we want to ask? This is kind of specific right now, and we're getting wind of it. I agree. Yeah, that's something we can certainly talk about in a work session. But I think that's that that's right. I have no knowledge to go on with it. Yeah, yeah. And it's, I think we could talk about that sort of thing in a work session. Yeah. Okay, so that's too much out there right now. Right. All right. Moving on, Ben. So is there any other questions or concerns that you want to go in in regards to the report to City Council? Anybody? Yes, no work session. Yes, that was one of the things of the works of scheduling it was the week of the 14th anything open for you guys? Is there a month that you have? Is it November or summer? November. I'm sorry, November. Did you already have that work session last month? We, in morning and I met and I did some preliminary work. Oh, okay. I just, I don't know if it was discussed at that one. So yeah, we, well, I stated that we, I did state and that we were going to follow basically what we had reports have been done in the past. The same format that the other reports have done. And I have started to collect the information I am doing. I went back and listened to the board meeting and it is 2020, 21 and 22 that we decided to do. So kind of can't do anything until December is over. But yeah, I've started to put format, put it together and get the statistics together. I think at the last meeting we decided we would use what Cathy has on your computer. Yes. And I'm using her reports. We're using most of Cathy's information. But there's not going to be a complete coalition of the full year until December. And so we're working on it. But if we could go ahead and meet and go through the, all the questionnaires and co-weight those in the sense of what their answers were, that would be great. Is there any way that you can meet the week of the 14th? Anybody better? What day? I don't know for you. Next week. Next week? The next week we can talk about? Yeah. That's the week we decorate it. The 14th is the day that we're meeting here to decorate the house. I'm pretty open as well. I prefer not to do it on a Thursday morning. I don't cost a lot of idle study that day. Oh, absolutely. Right? Grab your stuff. Things and I get that. Yeah. So the rest of the week is pretty open. It's up to you. You've got the goofy schedule. Pardon me. Let me rephrase it. You've got the wedding schedule. Yeah. Actually, that's, I could, so Thursday's out for you. So I can either meet on Tuesday or Wednesday. Friday's back. But Tuesday is the Friday day as well. Monday is the Monday. But the question is, I don't know when the house is open. I don't know when Kathy will be here or Kathy will. That's, well, let's, let's. Okay. Worst comes worst. Do something happen? I don't know. Maybe we could check the club meeting test. Is that the last thing that she's asked us, right? Yes, it is. Right. And I think I'll bring it. Well, better. Yeah. We could probably meet when they're meeting in a different space. Yeah. I think we can meet down here if they usually meet upstairs. Not all of them. I don't know. The breakouts. Well, let's meet when you're upstairs. It depends. We could also maybe meet in the auto register. Tuesdays. So. All right. So that's a third Tuesday. That would be the. Yeah, that would be the third Tuesday. That would be the third Tuesday. Okay. So they're very Tuesday. Order and more is here for the 10th or two. So they're upstairs. So yeah, we could. We could be here Tuesday the 15th at 10 o'clock. Let's do that. Hey, and then we're not. Tuesday the 15th at 10 a.m. in the dining room. Yes. And that's you and Connie and I. Yes. And anybody else is welcome. Yes. Okay. Thank you. All right. So we're meeting at 10 a.m. I want to say the 15th. And then anybody's welcome. Okay. Now the board applicant interviews. 10 minutes. Basically, that's who's supposed to take place today. Was it not? We talked about the. We were supposed to send a bail and get that, but we didn't have details about how many people to be interviewers. The city council had heard the city clerk had suggested one to two. And three was fine. And three would work. And three would work. Okay. Because that was, I feel like that was your greatest goal this week. It was. Yeah. When's the drop? Did they pass to be done by the 20th? And 30th? I think it's actually the first, but one day is the first. That's Thursday. Right. That's a Wednesday. So originally we were going to consider after the board meeting, did that not get scheduled? That's not scheduled. Do you just need the three people who would be involved so that they can then work as a group to schedule it from there? Because at that point it just would be based on the availability of the three representatives and the candidates. So do we have those two people selected? No. I think in the last meeting Karen and me and Anne We volunteered. Yeah, we volunteered because I always thought you might be since you get it off here, jump in there. And I would be glad to do that if I'm here. Yeah, Connie was here at the last meeting to ask. So that was one of the. We were hoping you would be willing to be in there. I don't have it in front of me. I don't think there are. Six people per course. That's what I would say. 15 to 20 minutes piece. Well, you're one, Marie. And Connie, Candy is one. I imagine those two would be ready quickly. Right. Yeah. Would you guys be okay? If just have Kathy reach out to Connie and Karen and coordinate the plan. And I didn't. I'm sorry. I lived this way. I don't know what name I said. I apologize. Yeah, two, two, that just coordinate. Yes, absolutely. Yes, okay. Yes. And Jeff has asked that he and myself also be invited to those. Oh, yeah. Over there again to be there. Jeff will, we'll see. He's pretty good. Oh, the tiny side. No, I don't know if he has something. Jeff was officially promoted to director of the department, the new department, soon to be named Sunday. Includes recreation, library, and music. Wow. Everything that flows underneath us. That's huge. Is he still doing all the stuff with the senior stuff too? Seniors are under the other new department, which includes children and youth resources and senior services. Children and youth resources, senior services. There's a housing component out there and there's one other. Wow. So that's a different department that that is an open job and the director for that. Because last, last time he was doing that too. He is doing that also right now. So we still, it's still coming all together in community services because there's no person for that job and we're still working on it. Is he your center manager? I know we're on track, so sorry about that. No, this is a lot of information, but the bottom line is that's a lot. We were senior services, was with us, honestly. But that's a, we worked so closely with them that it's good. Because it's like this, how do you split that? We don't, we don't. We've been apart, but there's nothing that changes for us. Nothing in that relationship with senior services changes. In fact, I'm talking about growth in that area. Well, congratulations. See, Jeff, that's a lot of desert. So I have a quick question. Yes, can somebody tell me when those are going to happen? Because I'm going to step after. Then to reach out to the prior board members. Like I've mentioned, I didn't want to. I don't know. It's Kathy's. I guess the end of the board. Yeah. Contact her immediately. Just letting, can she be passing along the aspect of just letting me know what they selected so that I can wait till after them to reach out to the prior board members to ask for the other. I'm not. Or should I just go ahead and call the prior board members? I don't think today I didn't want to. I didn't want to. Oh wait, we're talking to the second. Make anyone uncomfortable. The second. Yeah, so like they're obligated. Yeah, expected. That makes sense. I'm not understanding what you're talking about. I'm sorry. She just want to have a conflict about asking the board members to help with the Santa open house on the second. If they're interviewing and then the person who's in there are not selected or something like that. She doesn't want it as a or feel obliged. I'm doing it. I don't want. You want to ask after it's been done. Okay. My question is how many people do we really need a lot of help? Kathy mentioned two or three. Why so many? I don't understand. Never had that before. Well, we've had high school helpers volunteers. And really it's more to man and watch the hallway. The stairs. The stairs. To keep them off the stairs. And there's. When we find a head to just put a belt across that. Yeah. There's still some under it. We've never had them that had a sign. And I've worked that. I've never seen them. They're not that up there. Yeah. But it was the improved. We can put it right there. They don't even really. Don't even need to go into the kitchen. Well, I think that's a great suggestion. But, you know, I will never turn away a warm body that's going to be here and be part of it. And it's a good event. And people walk away feeling good about it. So. Yeah. But that doesn't mean to. I mean, I didn't have to pause it as a question. And we block off that stairway. Yes. I mean, so there's a fire. Well, that's what happened on the last, on the art walk. Yeah. We had to sign it. But there was a velvet. And the same thing upstairs on that stairway. The stairs on the door. Just put some block across the stairway. It has to be a velvet. Well, because. It's. Do the fire. Sometimes they can actually get through. They have to. But if we put a sign on it says no admittance on, you know, emergency only, that type of thing. And the same thing with the stairway upstairs. There's a doorway. We could put emergency only on it. No admittance otherwise. So obviously if there's a fire, they can go down it. Or you shouldn't. But no, I think I've worked at the joint. It's impossible for one person to try to. You got people coming through. They want to go up there and you have no sign saying they can't. Right. I think we'd better sign on the doors. I think they need to put some signage on it. We need to decide and do that. Okay. Then let's make a decision. But having an additional two to three people isn't that idea because, Jen, it's your birthday. It's likely you're going to have a surprise. They're going to go ahead and instill your way. It'll be nice to have extra coverage there in that room. Also, that's a problem. How you handled that last year was bad. Anyway, having an additional count. And we did because I had somebody take my place. Yeah. The Catholic already told me they'll leave. And you told my son when long ago there was a surprise, go and come back later. Your mom's not done. It's just, it was a bad situation. It wasn't bad. So, yeah. I think especially. Well, I didn't realize it was your birthday. Is it your birthday? The December 2nd. Yes, it is. And I doubt anybody's going to fly in. But I haven't seen my kids for two years. So, it was big. We are having a family vacation. So, December, somewhere else. So, I don't think anybody's going to fly in. But I have no control. It's not like it's an hourly job that you have to be here. But it sure seemed like the last year or so. But as far as having people, extra people, if you want to, if somebody doesn't get tired of mowing it around, though. I think to just jump on that, one thing to remember when we're bringing people in to work is I always respect their individuality and their needs. So, if you bring somebody in, if, you know, like what happened to you, the family member is surprising you, that should not be turned away. Instead of talking to me. Yeah, go talk to your mom. You know, that's like, where are you? Wow, I'm sorry. I wasn't here. I didn't know I needed this. So, yeah, but just treat everybody with respect. And, you know, we all have lives, too. So, yeah, we're going to be here to help. But we have a family emergency. If we have something, we have to respect that. Okay. So, maybe having additional help is a bad thing. Right. It isn't a bad thing. So, as soon as we know to schedule it, because my life's very complicated, the sooner I know when it's going to be scheduled, the better off we're going to be. I thought it was going to be today. And I wasn't told when we got there. The other thing we could say is, the three of us on the selection board, we could say that is not a criteria. We are at right now. Whether that's how we're going to listen to this, talking to me, it's totally not good. Totally not. So, we'll just take away that doubt very well. Yeah. Okay. That would be helpful. So, you can go ahead. Yeah. I mean, it's hilarious. That's my hand. It's definitely, yeah. We'd love to have them if they are willing and available and they'd like to come. But, yeah. In fact, there won't be a question. We won't even know. No, we're not going to know. Yeah, we won't even know. No more questions. So, let's put it that way. And, Maureen, I'll follow up with the decision. And, there's no problem with that. From the city standpoint, there's no problem with it. Reach out to our listeners who are. No, no. It's not going to matter. Stand your thought there, but as far as that goes. Okay. Okay. So, Ellen, do you know the names of the new applicants? Other poor? I don't have all of them. No, it doesn't matter. My impression was two community members with no prior knowledge of them. Something like that. And the other ones had some sort of association. So, that's something to do. Yeah. Too fresh. Too, yeah. Who haven't touched the hell yet, but okay. And there are six. Okay. Moving on to new business. The Christmas decor packet. It's really kind of hard when I have a cat here to know when she had thought about that. So. Put that on to December. Exactly. I think we can take that to December. Oh, okay. I know. I thought it was a package. Because what is this? What is this? No, it's packed up for you. Why don't we take them decorating the tree? Yeah. We could, yeah. All around December. Yeah. Put it on December, September. Okay. We already have done other business. Future agenda items are the open houses. Despite one other business. I still care. I may have lost it. I don't have the docent document for the Cali Announce Tour. I was hoping you could resend that. I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. Any other business that we need to discuss? I apologize. Yeah, I have something. I brought it up every year, but. Okay. We've talked about the Christmas open. We call it an open house. But technically it's only for children in this area. And we do a lot of work decorating. And, you know, a lot of people just can't walk in off the street. You know, we have reservations for that. And I brought it up before, but I'm just going to bring it up one more time. Is that if we would move Santa to the Heritage House decorated, and then have the house beautifully decorated and have that open for an open house, we would kill two birds with one stone. We would have the kids seeing Santa Claus in a cute little north pole. And we would have a decorated house that we could actually use as an open house, not just for a select group of people with kids. I think that's a wonderful idea. I think it's fabulous. I have had people walk up to me and say, what's this house I can't come? I don't think that's a wonderful idea. Because we could decorate that like a little north pole. Yeah. So I'm just going to throw it out there. I think we could talk about it. Or Santa's workshop. That's Santa's workshop. I think that would be a fabulous idea. I do. I've been talking to five years since I want to say that. I think it's a great idea. Why don't we consider that for next year? Because the numbers have been so impressive. I've seen restaurants downtown using in those heaters. We could put a few stations along the drive-in for the poor little munchkins who have to freeze. And I know I'm kind of a grinch when it comes to kids. It's like, put a coat on. Like to open it. It's called parenting. Yeah. It's called parenting. Put a coat on and don't wear shorts. Yes. So I don't think kids get cold. Yeah, they don't get cold too. Yeah, they don't get a lot of air. But it'll open the house more to an open house then. I think that's a brilliant idea. I do. I think that's a brilliant idea. How's that for next year idea? What do you think? It sounds like a good idea to me. So yeah. And if we can't work too, it's a win-win. I like win-wins. That's great. I love a win-win. Yeah. I'm sorry. And I never heard that suggestion. Well, I usually just throw it out and it gets kind of next. I just thought I'm going to bring it up one more time. Push a little higher down. I think that we should put that in for future agenda. And we're going to specifically state it that Santa Santa open house in a lot of house. Well, and even if that doesn't become available to acknowledge the need for a adult-only purview through the building. I know it's getting people to staff. It is hard enough and everything. So we have them all here for it. That's right. That's a great idea. And we'll put it specifically under the open house to be discussed in general. And a couple of things. Like with the kids waiting for Santa Claus. I know last year I spent quite a bit of time saying, don't drop out of the furniture. Don't do this. Yeah, we did. Absolutely. We did. Police, you know, because they're waiting. They're getting kids and they're waiting. Whereas they're going to be upmined in the cold. And when they came in here, they'd be grateful for warmth. Right. And the casino could be used as a check-in station. And that's more honestly. I think all of that opens a lot of possibilities. And kids do better outside. Getting some fresh air or whatever it feels like. I think it's good too. Yeah. But we're still going to be on a schedule. And yes, it's still not going to be special. Right. Scheduled. They are going to be scheduled. But the open house. The most standing that we want. Right. Right. Right. But then this is open and we can do the open house. Treat this like a normal open house. I can check into that. And then we feel like all our decorating is really usually. But actually, yeah. Yeah. Being enjoying it. I'm glad to brought it up. Any other additions that need to be added? In addition to that, I know in past years, we have been open on the same day as the. Oh, there was something else going on. The open house. You know that there's usually. The open house tours. The symphony ones. Yeah. When they did the open houses. You know when they. Tour of homes. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. All that. And we've done that. We've just been open. You know, not for the tour. Was that planned or just an accident? No, we did it intentionally because of the open houses. People were out in the valley anyway. And it wasn't like we were ticketed part of that. Open house tour. It's happening. Yeah. But we coordinated with it. And that was really handy. But it was like also as open. Yeah. You know, when people were out in the valley. Was that an additional event that we did? Yeah. We found it inside our open house. Okay. Christmas open house. But it was not the agenda with. This symphonies. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It was an event. Okay. I think that's wow. That's just if we can schedule something. But I do, I do like how the Santa thing has happened. And I think we've had such a good response with it. That again, the possibility, depending on what the numbers and how fast it sells out, we might consider doing more than one. And I know, again, it's busy schedule. But I love the idea of just doing the one for all and getting it done. But that's just a personal opinion again. Okay. And then we've got the club affair that we were talking about to look at in January. And again, I understand that we're going to have to look at when all the work's being done. This is just a moving forward thought, looking forward to everything. So is there anything else that needs to be added onto a future agenda items that anybody can see? Okay. Seeing none, I guess we're on to adjournment. Ladies. Can somebody do a second? Second. Second. All of there? All right. Thank you. Who wants to hope that Kathy's feeling better? Yeah. Kathy, you're strong.