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You can check it out and This is my life if you miss any of my live the shorts from the lives be on here and you know, it's just a good time man This is Marvin Herbert tells the story of getting shot in the eye Marvin Herbert episode 19 This is The blue tic show It's a season 2 of the blue tic show. Okay. I've never heard of them So salute man. Let's subscribe because that's what I do. You know what I'm saying Shout out to the first responders for liking videos before we even watch them. You know what I'm saying Let's just get into it man. And I am familiar with Marvin Herbert. I've done I've watched his lab Bibles and whatever so I'm familiar Let's get into What's going on guys and welcome back to the blue tic show This is season 2 all about crime and opposite me today. We got the one and only Marvin Herbert He's known for 20 plus murder investigations He's all about crime. That's that's promising the man the myth the legend Marvin welcome to the show. Thank you for coming on. How are you? To put it eloquently I've turned that better than I imagined See You got on the leather. I don't know if that's a jacket or a button up you but it got a collar on it Turtleneck to the top fresh look old T. Look healthy. You got a haircut this time Eyebrows almost look like you got him done. I don't know Well, Sam peeky blinders hat put it together today further than I ever dreamed and I'm doing things. I never thought possible Well, I made me emotional Yeah, man likes It's neck what I'm doing is next level like No one ever thought that I'd do what I'm doing now even earlier. You just on the phone saying you're going to train the met Like not train them. I'm gonna facilitate courses with the met and engage and do things within the met with the met And I'm going to tell them my story. I'm gonna try to create Some kind of what's the met cuz when I hear the met I hear like my left met Met police station like not police like is there is that a TV service on the UK? Amalgamation with the community of urban England the met and music sports and Intelligence really so there's a greater Plan ahead a foot. I should say a greater plan of foot and hopefully It'll be received. Well because I do believe that everybody wants to make money live happy and live in peace 100% we can create that through Unso-called unethical avenues in certain worlds and languages then Why not give it a try? Nothing else has happened or work so far. Yeah, so I do believe the her but my Mike's is off a little bit It's like a little latency between the mic and the lips slight I've been put the bandwidth issue or somewhere Plugged in and y'all set up. It's plugged in something's not hidden right. Yeah, she's my new CIC company is Gonna steer the way towards change for the Light-minded youth like myself. I mean, it's about it's about trying to change what I help Develop design and create with all the madness on the road today. You know, I mean, it's just being a part of the Criminal fraternity for many of the people who don't know who you are Not sure if there is many people as every single person. I've said I'm doing this podcast This was like, oh my god, you had him. Oh my god. I know him. I've heard of him I've watched his thing. I want people who are new to the to your life story to understand obviously Who you are and what you've asked if we can throw it back to Why you're a lifelong criminal what happened and if we could take it all the way back to your childhood and explain Some memories from your childhood. I'm sure you have some good memories and bad memories What's going on? I hope you're all enjoying the episode so far. Make sure you scroll down. It's already Already did it me round blind. So hit subscribe. I have a mirrored of Knowledgeable, I think it's been like a year and a half since we watched this. Oh Experiences there's some new stuff and learning No, it's Memories are just all learning. It's everything you want to learn in life. But yeah, it started them In 2002 no it started in 1990 1972 1972 so what I don't know all my kids birth that is just flashed in front of my son my son My life began in 1972 in Liverpool, I was born in Fasatley Hospital Alpha guy was of Liverpool early morning birth born a year in Iraq, believe it or not Yeah, we lived in Kirby first master's players are at so hey, there's there's some good ones Lasting memories that I have all the lasting memories. I've got all traumas, so But I've said I fell over on a bottle in Kirby broke me leg out to get stitches Bottle went through this leg went through the right fire popped out and I to get stitches in that Wait a minute a bottle Like what kind of bottle was that? The steel reinforced bottle how did go through your leg? That's crazy. Where did you fall from? The second floor first bit trauma then My dad burnt my hand for setting the house on fire in that house Which I never knew about until after my third first postcards my mom said didn't you remember this? I said no, so my dad burnt my hand at 18 months old when me and my brother was playing There's so we could put their foot in the fire the longest is when we used to have cold fires back in a day So I'll put my foot in and held it in there longer than him But I had a cold of a hot rock of coal stuck to my shoe So as I pulled it out the rocks gone into the curtains is flamed up and the happy mother that burnt my hand for that and then I Got run over when I was about five You're not even 10 yet. You didn't have a bottle to the leg Burnt down the house got your hand burnt up White pin hit hit by a car at five five gold White pins put on my leg Who and then I'd agree. I love it sounds normal. We just out to me to me rather pretty normal To me it was normal. So I was getting up. It was very hectic indoors brothers. I Before brothers and sisters living in one hour, so So boys two girls and then my dad's extended family my dad had kids with loads of women. So my dad had I believe 17 or 18 kids and he's lost two So I don't know what was your dad like as a father. Well, I've got split I've got kind of split Feelings about my dad now because before I used to hate him. I really did hate him like It give me the driving force to sort become the man I become because of the hatred I felt because of the abandonment issues I had as a kid They neglect issues I was a kid and then basically one until my dad died. Oh, wow, so is it about that? Dotted Cancer 2016 but that's another story was he on a straight and narrow path when you No, he never was he done put his way if you know anything about weed, right? Okay, sense of me in your weed used to come really hard and black and he used to be compressed Right, and then that stopped I believe circulating after 2016 is my dad died because my dad Basically done that for years. I remember I said Nicky often everybody that knows me from the criminal world when I was a kid knows I used to get all the puff. I think loads of puff my dad like bags of it like South Cuban, Cuban Swiss cottage Camden. I was the man for puff I say lay all the kids on puff in the school something because I think it carry bags of my dad And I'll tell you the story right so I think it carry bags of weed and shit off my dad Right. I used to sell it to all my brother's mates, but I used to sell them carrier bags Yeah for 50 pounds a whole carrier back So you never knew the price of it you just try my 10. I was really wondering it He was the ultimate plug what it was a hit Marvin up He I don't know if he know what he doing or not, but he got the carrier bag with that joint in it fifty fifty dollars Okay, so now goes have a stock. Yeah, so when I went to have a stock. Yeah, we went carnival Yeah, so we're all chipped in up Salamis right kill an arrow chipped in to get about a load of puff. Yeah About 10 11 of us five reach I'm thinking Come back with these little strips brothel. I was like what the fuck is that That's the weed. I was like, no, he said one each you know what I'll go that Rah, and that was when the penny dropped for me What I've been giving away to all the old lot so from 11 years of age. I started making Proper though. Did he ever catch you stealing his stuff? What's got them guys if you're watching this on YouTube? Yeah back me a few times but That we were all too smart for a minute because what it was when we were kids Adults don't pay attention to kids. Yeah, 10 11 12. They don't pay attention So I was just listening from me and find out where all the gears going in it I like where they're leaving it and all shit like that. I mean, and then just I'll do things like my dad I'll go to the gambling house over Church road yeah, and then I'll take to one of his mates. I'll let me come with you Yeah, I coming in son. My dad don't know where I'm going Yeah, I mean, but I'd go with them and clap them out and then they come back and they'd be like Oh, I lost his tingling up. I don't know what he's tingling I wonder Yeah, I'll clap them all out. So now there's a lot of my dad's mates They're gonna be seeing all these podcasts and a little it was him because when he's to come I see my dad arguing with them I'll give you X a man because puff comes in bales. Yeah, a ton is I think 35 bales People don't know no. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I follow puff comes in bales, right? What's a bail? It's like it sees I'm a rock and bail of it's like Sir, man, I think it's 35 keys per bail. Okay. I don't know. It's something I'm not I can't remember all the fees now, but I think 35 bales is a ton, which is a thousand kilo So do the math. I don't know. Yeah, I used to cut you gotta know other stuff coming bills as well So just plug it in what he's coming about a nick So they wouldn't know obviously I was a kid I'm gonna know the grass coming bills. Hey coming bills I wouldn't know I'm nicking this by on that but and then there was slabs of it was like zero zero Well, it was like soft black based to come in 10 pound slabs Yeah, and 20 pound slabs and they should use like a big paper cutting machete to carve it up But then basically because I used to go to all the lock up So I was a little kid in the car. So everyone wanted a kid in the car. So they didn't get stopped by the police Yeah, because that back in the 80s 90s like well 70s and 80s it'd be them but 70s 80s There was no blacks. No dogs. No, why are we so kids need to be with their kids with their dad Love who's a smother kind of music. So I'm with my dad going everywhere. So I'll see where people hid things So obviously I was going all over London when I was like nine so when I'd see things I'm coming back for that. Yeah, I'll go back and rob my dad's mates lock ups and stashes And then they'll be blaming each other but I'll be laughing barbades Yeah, so I caused murders in the fraternity for people because I was a kid. I didn't real Hey, you was hitting licks and didn't even know you was hitting licks and getting people crossed out That's what I was doing. So your dad was making a lot of money. My mom Listen, you don't see again. Yeah, this is another thing. No one makes no money in that game, you know on the road You only make money if you're a source And you're not even in England You make money if you're in England selling this shit. You're not making no money You're not making no money. So all these big drug dealers who are saying they're making money They're talking shit, mate. They're talking shit. They're talking shit. Now, I'll ask you a simple rationale So if you could buy a product for 7,000 pound Yeah 7,000 and then you can sell that product for 18,000 pound there. Yeah, why are you bringing it home? 7,000 pound here. Yeah And you can sell it for 18,000 pound here Why are you bringing it home? This ain't nowhere near home Ain't nowhere near home Why are you bringing it home? It makes no sense. Why why? Because it's not yours. Yeah, it's not yours. So you're getting put on Here and then you're bringing it back and you're getting it. You're paying the 18, not the 7 No, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. Were you paying there? There you may pay 24 to 26 So then you got to sell it at 30. Yeah. No, you got to get it home first. Oh, shoot. Yeah Yeah, so another a couple of quick goes on top of that. So you're making fuck all Okay, but you tell me they make loads of money True True, true. I can't bear it. So only one portion of that guy Yeah, maybe the small time but I don't know about that The math ain't mathin' for me I know I know in Chicago for sure. You're not making them like you might as well just work a minimum wage job Now you're right With my logic that I just say you got to be right. I always thought like Why do people even trap that because you can't be like, you're not even lucrative Game makes money only the big boss only the top. No, it's not even a big boss. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not No, it's not because everything's a network. It's the same as any company any business It's all a network and it's about profits Simple so if you keep the business attribute applied to the product then you don't fail When you start going street backdoor cheap cheap cheap so so so it falls apart because the system's gone So what they could do what they could do and I'm not suggesting it By any means right so what all the London villains all the English villains all the proper villains What they could do I'm not saying I've done this. I'm not saying I know people have done it, but This is okay. Okay. Okay. So what they do They pay seven grand here They get a load of grub from over there Seven grand and what they do they get a load of bits Yeah The dispensable product Because they've got their millions of pound profit. Yeah. So what they do with a dispensable product that they can burn They give it to their mates say get on your feet, son sell it for what you want Did they do that? No, because they're not businessmen. They're all scumbag grooming no good every single one of them but now I weren't the biggest of the tree. I weren't at the top. It's the ladder Right, but I'll tell you something for free. I never had to touch anything I never had a kilo of gear in my car never I wouldn't be 10 miles within a bit of product When he's when he's when he's just telling that story. Was he talking about Was he talking about Class a or was he talking about marijuana? Because if you're talking about marijuana, I can kind of see what he's talking about But if you're talking about class a no Hell no, that ain't no sir If you really about your money and Now I ain't even gonna If I'm at source If I'm at source, why am I going near the product? Yeah, that's true. If I'm at source, why am I going near the product? Right, so you hear a lot of things on platforms about people and The strategies and systems, but I'm not here glamourizing my life as I waste my life as a load of shit But what I do see is a load of nonsense. It's a load of nonsense. Now. What you do see are drivers Logistics Pilots And tools that's all they were That's all they were. That's all they were pilots delivery Tools and logistics. That's it They all got burnt They all washed up And everyone's more than left knows that man. So if you was never around the product, yeah, and you never How come you have done? How long have you done inside total? 14 years in total and how did you was any of that and violence? So none of that was drug related. No, you never got called nothing drug related. No I'll know I'll tell her lie. I threw An answer crack an answer in And uh half a bar of puff over the wall of camp hill and you got back to that. I got nick for you. Yeah But everything else was gun related crime related Violence and just violence. I should have bought my pre cons. I got pre cons. I got my dbs check It's just pure violence. I was just at it for at it purpose From the lab, but we know this was a violent individual and I didn't care really on that Wasn't he into it with uh, what's his name? Was it Danny g or dmg or what's his name? He was into it. That was going back and forth for a while And who you was you had to prove you was art and I didn't give a fuck you had to stab shoe will kill me And I didn't care and this is the difference with these kids now. They're all going like that. I don't care They do care They do care. I had big men pissing and shitting their pants I've had people beating up at their front doors. I've had people slapped in their house Come on, they're they're not as violent as they may can Now I was the epicenter of violence You just didn't give a fuck. No, it wasn't I didn't give a fuck. Yeah, it was I couldn't I couldn't afford to give a fuck Why why why because no one fucking answer that question and I'll tell you why because I was on my own Me yeah little old mouth Mad mouth Nighty mouth. I don't think people call you little anymore. But what I'm saying is I was on my own everywhere I went I live with everyone on my own bro. Yeah jump sand. I never I never needed firms I don't need firms. I invited firms away. I invited firms on holiday. I invited firms to do shit I invited people to earn money. So I mean I'll give people opportunities. No one's give me nothing, bro Apart from one man Daniel Kinnaan. He's the only man on this planet to give me anything Do you know what I mean? And he give me life Yeah, he give me life and I don't give a monkeys about how much trauma or drama that they're going through or how much They're getting he's my pal. He's my friend. He's my family and I'll never deny that man for as long as I live Like that man's done everything for me to put me here today To nothing's I don't I can never forget that and no disrespect to anything or any body Or any one but I'm going into the Met Police next week To the cadets. I've just done a a passing out parade in december I'm going in again to talk To some of the young cadets about what they're about to get involved in and then moving forward I'm going to be doing other things and stay tuned because ITV nine o'clock on the 17th of january Marvin's on ITV some serious And then not the thing is if someone told Marvin 30 years ago, you're going to be going into the Met Police speaking to the cadets. Okay, so it is the police It was a loft in their face You would have laughed in their face everyone else would have laughed as well. Yeah, but you would have said fuck that it was never I'm never ever ever ever ever ever and I'm telling you I never even imagined ganstrade I actually lived breathing at that world and that's why I'm glad I was made because there weren't no one in here That was like me like there were similar people don't get me wrong along the way in different countries. Yeah, but in england In england. No, I was anything. I was Marvin Herbert and no one could take a fucking liberty with me Those that tried learned they couldn't in the grace of god. I should say Nothing bad happened The eye situation everyone's seeing you talk about what happened Where you got shot in their face in the head. Yeah, well Shot in my eyebrow. Oh my god. That was liquid y'all Okay, so okay, just just everybody man up, okay of Shot in my eye Point black brains in the eye That's what I'm saying y'all whoo Ain't no ball in there Ain't no retina ain't no ain't no, you know what I'm saying Ain't none of the pieces Oh, sorry That's all we want, you know, see you only do this is pink and yeah, brother your balls ain't dropped Rob, brother. You get me What am I ting How did that happen? I've got a shot in it. Put your eye back in my blood Right, so obviously Living the life from a kid Liverpool moving up. So hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait I know we ain't just From now Man, that's You're moving mad. Oh my I mean, it is what it is, you know, but you know, it was just shocking I was very sort of Isolated growing you any no lubrication for your eyelids I'm very curious about this like so what like Like You just you just rub that off and now it's like It don't need no moisture so you can blink properly Go back just a little bit very sort of uh Blink isolated growing up. I felt abandoned a lot of the time. I was very Insecure in my identity. So I had to it don't blink find ways to fit in And I learned very young and very quick that Violence was a good way People needed to be protected people like people that could fight people liked Tear up and I like beating people up. It don't blink. Okay I didn't know that that's interesting for people that I liked and it was just one of them things I thought people's battles that I was one of them people that enjoyed it If you thought you was bad, I'd find someone that didn't like you Yeah, and I say do you like him? I'll tell you what I'll do. I deal with it. Give me this and give me that I'll do it. Give me this and give me that. So I had puff sniff drink clubs cars all around the world for helping people I said listen, I've ever asked you for that never blank me. You know fucking screen. No, I've done for you One of them was you know, I mean I was very manipulative So if I wanted something I'd give you something so you could never refuse me Do you know what I'm saying? So I do I was very calculated as a kid I wasn't stupid. So everything was double loaded with me. Everything was prepared well, but everyone benefited That's why I really did nobody do no favors for me Especially like in the streets. I'm good Yeah, I never took anything from anybody and that's one thing I can stand and say and everybody knows that I mean, I've never I've got close friends of mine or nobody about money They never got paid when we were kids or you know, like little things like that But there ain't a man on this planet can say about I'm a penny Well, like I said people from my childhood can because I can't remember Who I owe from when I was a kid or but I know in business seriously when I got involved in a serious nature of stuff I never had no nothing because I got my own bits. Do you know what I mean? So I've robbed my own vans When I've robbed security vans. I've robbed security vans. Do you know what I'm saying? So I never watched weighted and done nothing. No, no, I went out and done it myself I got arrested and then I got put under investigation for maybe two three years worth of our robberies That never materialized into a conviction I'm a couple of shootings A few murders. Did you get convicted for a murder? No, no, never been convicted. No, there's this is another thing, right? Now they've covered their tracks with this association law because if this law would have been out when I was about it would all be fucked Which I mean, but What's the law 80s and 90s? Everyone was getting shot and killed. It weren't Uncommon it weren't it was normal back then. It was normalized back then It was part of our world and it was part of our reality when we learned to accept it live with it and Quiet here get over it sort of things. I mean like like I've said before is barbaric insanity Do you know what I mean? And it's sad to believe that I I believed in that life for so long if that makes sense. I mean it was just it's just madness and it's Because I was always searching for better and always wanting better Nothing was ever good enough. So when I met all the villains throughout all my journey There was never good enough and that's why everyone always said Marvin things is better than everyone I don't think I'm better than everyone, but that's not good enough for me. What was it like in prison? I feel that I feel that And people a lot of people do that now there because you got standards for yourself You think I'm better than no, I don't think I'm better than you. My standards is just Not what yours is that you feel me I can't live like that. I gotta have you know what I'm saying? I gotta do it this way I can there's a minimum requirements that I have that might be higher than your minimum requirements. That's all That don't make me better than you That just make me uh That just make me what's the word I'm looking for That makes me think That makes my goals higher than yours or something that makes my threshold higher than you know, I don't know Prison so prison started in 1985 for me. Yeah 1985. Yeah, so I went away in 1985 and basically Was he born in 70s 80s 1985? I was a gun carrying gunslinging crack cocaine ed ecstasy Dressed exactly the same as this believe This is how I dressed. I've dressed the same forever Never changed. No, and I haven't and everyone that knows me will tell you know, he's dressed the same all the time brand shoes jeans I'd like to Take this moment, you know, I'm saying real quick real quick to say I beg to differ I would like to take this moment and point to exhibits exhibit a Just ain't it y'all see that that is I'm just saying I'm taking this moment to you know Maybe he was just okay. Maybe what he's saying is When I was up and when I had money and I was doing what I was doing I dressed a certain way. Anybody gets hard times, but like I think lab bottle was the end of his hard times or the beginning of his You know, I'm saying that's your outfit. Yeah, it's just I've got I've got now it's brand and blue everything's blue And that's true. I mean, it's always been the same hack or screw. Okay. I guess if you're saying brand name He did have on brand name stuff But you know, it was you smooth you a smooth criminal right here. You're real smooth Well, do you know what I mean? So I've always dressed a certain way. I've always looked a certain way. I've never changed the way I look I don't wear loads of different brands only wear simple stuff. Do you know what I mean? So the way I've looked I've looked the same way forever So even these I wore these for everybody's in the 80s and the 90s. You know, I mean, so We was just self-developing young kids and we grew up in a world where Character charisma and insight got you into everywhere and because we started making money very young we was We learned a lot by traveling You know, I mean, so I traveled all around the country traveled all around Europe and we just made money and Done things like now. There's the love doing nothing. They're a bit Sort of dormant the youngsters. They're kind of lost where we had a bit of direction We were going places. We were doing things. You know, I mean when your life did obviously pause and you went to prison Was that a bit of like a kick in the face? I fuck they called me. I was like, fuck it Let's see what it's all about now, isn't it? So fuck it because the worst thing they could do is put you in prison. They put you in there Did you was it hard for you? They're speaking these holding cells I remember the name of them But you go to these houses and you go felt and watched up and all these places And I remember going in there and I had a little I had a cashmere jacket with leather sleeves like this From gan, I'll never forget it. So I had a gan body jacket And I walked in I got Because you used to be able to take snack 200 snack and my brief then was sweet So I had my path my brief and everything was sweet. So I walked in now I'm going into a holding cell with loads of people. So I thought if anyone says anything to me, you can do it Yeah, you know what I mean? So I walked in He's gonna you got a snack, mate. So I was just switched on. I said want what? Snack I said for what? For what? And the only one I say ain't gonna fuck all my what? He's like, no, I'm gonna make all I said don't anybody fucking ask me for nothing. Can he say I don't know none of you Because I want to talk to no I just sat down I thought if someone says that he's gonna kick off no one said nothing Then we got to film And then a couple of people come out to me and film and said, oh, do you know that see he set the tone early in that wall This one, do you know that one? I was like, yeah, yeah, what? I was like, no, we're here blah blah blah. I was like, all right. Yeah, no I didn't know them that well. I knew they were And they mentioned couple days them Got on the wing Do you have any fights and any problems never non-stop, mate? Oh, seriously? Yeah, like non-stop. Yeah, this is Marvin You ain't listen how he came into the first place Yeah, yeah, fine. You getting there just kicks off and it's something cheeky little things. He's a bad man He's like blah blah. I'll give you an example. I won't I've gone in the shower. Okay I walked in the shower. There's geese in the shower, right? There's one shower and there's about 20 showers. So I walked in I said, you're gonna be long, mate. He went, no, no, not too long, mate. I went, all right, that's great So I've sat on the edge of the thing. He's washed his hair, washed himself So I'm sitting on the edge of the bath waiting for him to get out So I've washed his hair, washed his body Thinking he's gonna get out, right? No starts again. Yeah, and then he put conditioner on He's telling me about wait for my conditioner Yeah How you gonna rush that man body routine? He in jail. That's all he got God damn Let that man condition his hair This is probably the only time he feel free. You know what I'm saying? I said, bruv, bruv, come on, bruv, you know what? I think might have said suck your mumma or something like that So then I was just fucking steamed into him in the shower soaking, but bruv is half naked I don't know, man, but I was steamed in him started punching in and he's run out of showers And said something to the po the po's come in says kicked off. I ain't even gonna lie, Mark. He was tweaking You tweaked out on that one Like you just said it was one shower and there was 20 more showers. Why don't you go to the other showers? Why you want that man? See he was in there bullying Off with the po I've ended up down the block And that was it. It's just every day was just kicking off down the block back on the wing kicking off down the block back on the wing Yeah, I believe you if that's what the shit you was my bad if that's the stuff you was doing Bullying people out there shower time man can't even condition his hair because Marvin coming Marvin you got I love the hair. You know what it is He for a couple of months like I want one of them inmates that wanted a blue band red band deca You think of a shit about an eye? I just sold you got out sold you and got out. I made money when I was in jail They'll probably have to get you out. Yeah, they'll probably have to tell you Yeah, I mean, they'll probably fall for this prison prison for me was just another stomping round of networking growing up, do you know what I mean? But like I said Prisons for the mugs and it's not like everyone in there's a mug But come on man, you keep repeating the same act over and over again expecting a different result It's the definition of insanity like it took me 43 years to realize that Do you know what I mean? Come on, man If it ain't work for any of us to know what the fuck do you think it's gonna work for you for? And that's the reality of life. Do you know what I mean? These people think it's gonna work for them. How? Do you know what I mean? How like it's not possible if it could have happened So the mind frame normally is okay We've watched the odors mess up if we've watched all their mistakes The game has changed. So let me try my foot at it Knowing that they've made mistakes and knowing that I'm not going to replicate the same mistakes that they made Okay, that's that's why they try But you know as as as the times change And the criminal gets smarter the police always get smarter as well But that's that's the part they don't realize you really not funny. I was really I was smart them, man. I don't know they're like Them cias and and interpoles and fbis and da's Boy, they got harvard graduate graduates I get it. You a block graduate or you are you are a Flat graduate, but hey, it's different ball game It's a game of cat and mouse and man I don't really know no mice went in It would have happened and that the closest person to achieve that goal was Daniel Kinahan and look what they've done to him. Do you know what I mean? Like I can't even prove a conviction on the man Can't prove a conviction. They've just given millions of assets back And not nicked him But let's say if you've got any information that couldn't get him nicked will give you five million quid The fuck they're all about And if anyone does business with him, we're gonna seize all your gear. Why you can't nick him You can't convict him. Why because he's done nothing wrong. Do you know what I mean? Like the end of the day, he's not doing anything Any different than any other country on this planet Marvin, can you tell us the story of the eye incident when you were trying to show right? We was almost at it Let's get to it. Yeah, well depends on how deep you want it to go Tell us all of it. It's a day leading up to the incident Right, so I've gone Jim I'm doing some running about some logistic stuff for my people Okay, I'm assorting a few bits in the UK. No in spain in spain. It's in in my bag. It was yeah So I'm running about doing a few bits And uh, I guess a phone call And it's a friend of mine who I heard He gives somebody a watch when I brought them round his house Okay, so me and you have gone around someone's house and your friend has given me a watch. Yeah, the move left Yeah Now I've given you the money the following day to go and pay for the watch. Yep And I've not gone two months later. My mate rung me up and said Fuck's going on, where's my mom? No, he said, my wife ain't being funny. He said, you're making all that money around for the watch I was like, what watch? And I watched it But he had about 80 grand underground off me since right. So I was like, what do you mean? He ain't paid you How much was this watch worth? Um, three rounds You know what this this this watch story is reminding me of right now. Yeah, I've never seen that, um with uh, Jordan McCain and and and all k-coke and and all the music artists that was that and they did that kind of like futuristic sci-fi Musical show. What was it called? I forgot I was watching it on patreon, but it was so trash I was like, I'm good. I had to stop. That's the only show. I think I stopped watching I was like, I can't watch this no more, bro Uh, so it wasn't good to me man, but salute for all I've just tried man It's just like but the main thing was focused around the watch. I wonder if they got it from this There was nothing. Yeah, nothing pretty well a panoramic. That's all it was. Uh, a special edition Ferrari panoramic. That's what it was and then um, so you phoned him up. I said, mate, what are you doing? What are you doing? Go and pay for the watch you fucking squeak. Do you know what I mean? He said, what's he got to do with you? No, obviously I was a lot different and so I've just gone you Who you fucking talking to? What do you mean? What's he got to do with me? You cheeky My pals watch pay for the watch. I'm gonna punch you in him Simple. Where are you? So I'm down at Paul. I said, all right, it's me. So I drove down I got at my car I had a 357 snub nose. I pulled it out and give it to me nephew And that's how lucky he was the mark. I went tight now. I'll be back in a minute. So what are you doing? Mistake number one You feel me? I ain't give my part to nobody If I was in that situation, you know, just speaking Allegedly and hypothetically you do something a little puffed as ending because I Don't put anyone down, but I'll have a fight of any jump in if I think you're going to suffer rather simple But that are handicaps about our moving about he knows his capabilities. He knows he ain't playing with me. Yeah, everyone knows that like look I love a terror And I do love a terror and I'm exceptionally good at it. So I'm told I've never been beaten. I've had a fight Every year in my life and every week of my life and I was a kid, you know, I mean I haven't had a fight in seven years though. I can guarantee that someone's attacked me people have attacked me by having it anybody in Seven years tell us gone. So you've gone down to the pool. It's given your 357 to your nephew And then basically I've gone down the pool. I've seen I've seen his his governor his boss His boss. Yeah, he's called Mark Carpel So I've seen him. So I said, where's your mate? So he's he's gone, mate. I said before He's gonna. I don't know. I said, what do you mean? I said, do you mind if I sit down a minute, mate? I said, he said, why I said, well, I think you need to know A couple of truths about your mate So he said, what do you mean? I said, well Do you know this fella? Yeah, he's like, yeah, I said, really? He says, yeah, I said, well, do you know he's being given I don't know I can't really remember. I must have been cut a bunch of grand In a couple of months because I used to earn a lot of money. I used to collect a lot of debts. I used to collect I said, why I used to do I used to like collecting debts. I used to take all their watches and cars I said, I love taking a bad man's watch and car. Just turn up tall that man said Take off your watch, brother You oh, though take a few watch and they've got to take it off, mate. So I said buzz off that sort of shit Take the watches, take the cars. I've even asked people to leave their homes Please don't make me embellish you in front of your missus. You've got to come out, bro I'm not your job But you wrote though you got to pay in it. Yeah, and it ain't my fault. You don't know it's him. Can't pay Marvin Marvin Herbert will take it away Doing a job, bro. So don't get me a bonus Come in don't get me a bonus. I don't really want to do it, man. I mean No It was one of them scenarios. So basically is I said to him your powers no good is this is that so he's then to a man to me and said well Why don't you go home and I'll bring him down to the gym tomorrow. Yeah So I said no, mate if he's going to get a tall he can use the tool when he comes back the fact Because oh, he wouldn't got a tool you He wouldn't he okay because he's he's because you told him you spoke to him and he was like yo I'm gonna pull up I'm gonna pull up and you got a reputation already So he like hold on. No, no, okay pull up then but okay. Hold on real quick. I'm gonna go get the Yah, yah, I'm gonna go get the yeek. Yeek I'm gonna go get the bleak bleak But little do he know You think of him as my there's still my butt. There's still my boy to a certain extent But I just want to you know, let's talk let's fight it out. Let's do it out because you my boy I ain't gonna come at you like that Oh, so let me hand a snub nose of 357 in my little The people that's right with me. I'ma go in here naked You get in there Talk to his boss His boss tell you to your face. He went to go get the pipe And you did what? To me he was always a bit overweight A bit plumpy, right? And I see what he was going to get like a gun. I thought he was going to get a bat or a blade I didn't think he'd get a gun. I just But you thought a tool was You thought a tool was a bat, okay Because but out of our but that we will be trained in the gym together. He was working. We're not driver He's driving me everywhere. Yeah, I mean, yeah, okay. I get it. You thought I had that rapport where it wasn't gonna go to that Okay, you know, he was working. He knew what he was about as well. Yeah, he was working me. He was working me He knew he had to fucking kill me this kid. I mean work me His ass I went on a bit of work. We went on we went and put it on a So when when did it click it never clicked to you like hey Let me go back to the car a couple of um romanians not romanians Bulgarians and russians For um three and a half million quid Yeah, and I was getting 1.2 million quid After we got the gaff back and we got 150 quid advance to go and get a load of people basically Someone on you rented a villa to a load of Bulgarian gangsters to turn it into a brothel So they've turned it into a brothel but never paid no rent for a couple of years and fucked the geese off But now the banks are going to repossess the ass so the geese have come back to me said look We're going to repossess the ass if you can get these geese out. I'll have a split with you So he said I'll give you a million quid after we go through and I said well, I need to tell you for my team, mate My team is all going to work. We might get Nick. What? And he went all right Why much you want I said we need 50 grand each mate. It's free of us. So he said all right, it's free So he give us the first 75 grand 50 grand We're going to work. We might get Nick go through and I said well, I need So he said I'll give you a million quid after we go through A million quid And I said well, I need to tell you for my team, mate. My team is all going to work. We might get Nick. What? And he went all right. Why much you want I said we need 50 grand each mate. It's free of us. So he said all right, it's free It's 150 grand less than a million quid How much is a Hey Siri How much is one million quid american? Did he I don't think he meant to say a million quid So he give us the first 75 grand and I went and put it on the phone But then the day I've gone up there I've got the little firm out and then I'm about to go back the following day And as I've turned up the following day, I'm with the geezer that shot me. Yeah And as we pulled up outside, there's eight to 12 men They could have been 10. They could have been 12. Yeah. I mean, there was a little bit more than that There was a little squad. Yeah, and I thought come we've got to get out. He went orange, you know, so I had to get out. I mean, you know, because now they've seen me I've got a fun. Yeah So basically the day before I've gone to the geezer I've gone to the villa And there's a geezer in the villa that's looking after the villa. So I've asked him like Because I've just got out of jail. So I've got my license papers. So I've said some I've just got out of jail, mate What are you doing in my ass? Yeah, he's what I said. This is my ass, mate. What are you doing here? He's like, what? It's not. I'm here. My boss, my boss. I was like, what do you mean, your boss? So as he's turned around, that's when I've seen no aces, which is the lap dance in Gaffin Estapone where everyone in the pool used to go, right? So I was like, yeah, yeah. So then I've gone straight down the club I've walked in there, booted the office door, right, and grabbed the geezer. Remember guys, we all stuck it on him. Oh, my money, you fucking, and you've done my ass. My ass is getting repossessed. So now my ass is being repossessed. I've just got out of jail. My ass is being repossessed. So I played that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, so I've gone in there, but you fucking My ass, what's my problem? It's not me. It's not me. It's my partner come and see my partner. So I went to see his partner tolling the same shit. I'm not having it. I want my Gaffin. I want my money. You get me a big deal. I've just come out of jail. Bro, I'll kill people for this shit. So this partner with me, listen. Okay, I get it. My partner's a bit of a dog. He said, bro, what I'll do? Come and see me tomorrow. I'll give you a lump of release and I'll give you half of the club. So I was like, yeah. He's like, yeah, come down about four o'clock and we'll have a chat. So I love that speech. He's my Spanish fellow. Boom. So the next day when I'm turned up, there's that geezer and another firm of blummy geezers. I've turned up all fucked. And I've gone, you should have known that was cat. He was buying time. He was trying to get it together for you. Come on. He went, I ain't going. So now I'm about to get out of the car. I'm young. So I'll just walk straight up to the geezer. Told me to be there. Yeah, yeah. I said, you bring my money, bro. I said, the Russians next to him, my brother. I was like, do you bring my money, bro? My brother. I said, you got my money, bro. My brother. I said, I ain't come here to speak to people. You know, I've come to speak to you. Are you going to pay me my money? And then the Russians go, we can go the easy way or the hard way. So I was just sort of switched on him like that and put my hand down the back of my trousers like I had a tool. And I never had a tool, but I was one of them. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Do you know what I mean? So I was just, it's not a system, mate. I'm going to ask you one fucking question, one question. Are you going to pay me my fucking money? Yes or no? And he went, you take cash, you. I said, yeah, I'll take cash. And he said, then you get paid. I said, no problem. When he said, come back tomorrow. So then I said, all right. So I went back tomorrow, I've got a bit of path. Then I've had all the path to give me because obviously they didn't have enough time to get it. No, a ton of path is only 160 grand, 170 grand to you at the source. Do you know what I mean? Might be 234, 230 to 300 in Spain if you're not connected. Do you know what I mean? But if you're connected, you get a ton for 300 grand in Spain. Do you know what I mean? Like it's down there at Welva, San Luca, San Sebastian, all down there, you get cheap. Do you know what I mean? So when they've said to me, you're going to take cash, they've got to bring a, what? Are you going to give me 50 bits or 60 bits? It's got to be tons in it. You've got a couple of 100 grand, you've got a couple of million quid, his lump. So when they've turned up to give me, I think they give me 110 grand and a few hundred bits of path. So I've given it to someone. And then I got shot. So go on, go back to the shot story. So then, so he's going to go get a tool. You're sat with his boss. And then basically he's walked up there. And there he is. And I got up as I walked towards him. He's like that. And I said, go on then. So I was just walking towards him thinking, pull it up. Because when he pulls it up, I was going to grab it. Because the man thing about life is I've been around that sort of like, I'm not that I'm fucking very hard, but I know how to deal with certain situations. What a lot of people don't realize is how guns work. Do you know what I mean? If you grab a gun and twist it, they can't shoot you. It's logical. You know what I mean? If you grab a gun by, if it's an automatic and you grab it by the handle tight enough, it can't fire or backfire on them. You know what I mean? Because it can't move. Okay. I mean, because the hammer don't, it's just, if you know it, but if you not, if you use them, you know how to, you know, you know how to deflect them. You better grab them tight. You better grab them confidently. Anyway, I'm not saying I'm bulletproof, but if you pull the gun out to me and you've got close enough, that was in my head. I thought, as soon as he pulls it up, I'm going to better grab it. Do you know what I mean? So I was walking towards him knowing he's going to do that, and then I could grab it. But he fucking shot me in my leg, never come up. Do you know what I mean? So he come up and done me in my leg. So as I was waiting for the hand to come up, he never come up. He shot me in my leg. When he shot me in my leg, it dexed right away. So once I bit the dex, my leg shattered. When I bit the dex, I said, well, get on with your fucking job, you fat. I said, go on, go on, because you know you've got to kill me. Do you know what I mean? Like, then he shot me again. Where? The first one through the leg, I fell over, I fell down, and I've gone to get up. And as I went to get up, he shot me through my arm, and he went through my arm off the floor, through my pelvis, and out my spine. And then I fell back down again. And as I tried to get up, he shot me in my, he went down my willy and shot my right testicle into my pants, and I fell back. And it was as I was getting back up is when he walks over and says, bang. That story never is not intense. Getting back up is when he walks over and says, bang, bang. That's all I remember. All I remember was seeing the bullet coming down, and it was mine. I'm thinking I'm going to die. And then I remember running off or walking off, and I was, how the fuck did you survive that? I don't know. I don't know, I know. Even the bullet flattened in my eye. It flattened, I'll show you. How the fuck did you survive that? Seriously? I don't know. My family watched you got punched in three places. They said, I'll never ever walk again. And I had a professional fight. And what happened to the guy that had done that? Is he still about? He handed it. They went and handed themselves in. Oh, you did? Yeah, they went and handed themselves in with prepared statements that said I was a paid hitman that come to kill him. And I pulled the gun out to shoot him and it went off five times accidentally in the struggle. That's what they said. And I never went to court and never made a statement. And basically he got, I think eight years for it, got repatriated after half and got out over here. Wow. I did actually move to Basildon to grab hold of him. I did, I did what happened. Did you catch him? I don't know, because I put what happened. I'm mad life is right. So I've come back to England when I knew he got out. And the thing of what he didn't know is, and I'll tell him now because there's nothing was going to happen. But his girlfriend was the next girlfriend of one of my mates. So where we were standing I had his address. He didn't even realise. Has anyone heard this story before? No. Because it's all dead to me now. I can talk about it. My life ain't about that no more. So the girlfriend that he got out to, yeah, she was the next girlfriend of a mate of mine. So I had his address. So I moved, he was from Brentwood and all around that area. So I come back from Spain and moved to Basildon. Which I mean, I went to Brentwood Virgin every day. And I was building the program and the plan to get him, take his hands, take his feet and take his eyes. That's what I was going to do. I was going to chop his feet off, chop his hands off and then take his eyes and then just leave him. That's what I was going to do. And I was going to do it. And then so when I've come over to do... Is that the same place where they film Grillin? I've never shown the TV, like the YouTube show Grillin, I think it's on Outstanding TV or something, some channel, I forget. It looks like the same place where they film Grillin. Now I'm going to do all of that. My daughters need to go balling school. So I need to put them in balling school and be able to pay for it for the next 10 years. Because if anything happens to me, I'm fucked. So then basically one of my daughters went to the best school in the country. The other one went to another school in Ascot. And I'm like, yeah good. And then one day I got a phone call from the school and they said, Mr Herbert, is there any chance you could come and see us? We'd like to have a discussion about something. I said, discussing about what? They said, well, to put it frankly, Mr Herbert, it's about your history, your past behaviors. We wanted to know if there'd be any issues. Yeah. No, no, no. The schools, I'm not like that a month. Don't worry about this, don't worry about that. The girls would find nothing's going to come. My life's not going to come affect the school or nothing. No one's going to become looking for me or it's not going to happen to us. So from that point down, when I said, you know what, I can't do this. That's always the kids, man. I tell you all the time is when you've got kids, and you You in that lifetime, and stuff starting to affect them or starting to affect your mental because you got kids, it's starting to give it up, man. And it just don't matter how against you are, how violent, perfect example, man. Especially when you got trauma with your parents and whatnot, so it'd be like that. Because I've got to be here for them. My eldest son and daughter, I've found them and they don't love me as they should now. You know what I mean? They only love me how they want because of what they believe, you know what I'm saying? But if they knew what I've been through and for why I've done it and they actually understood me, which they will eventually, I think the relationship will grow then, you know what I'm saying? So before this podcast started, I said to Marvin, at the end of the podcast, I'm gonna ask you one question, yeah? And I said to you, I wanna know who is the most powerful person you have in your phone book? It depends what field you wanna- You've already phoned Harry Rednap live on the podcast, which, listen, that shocked me. I've got to be fair with you. I was like, when you said, hey, sir, you phoned Harry Rednap. I was like, yeah, right? In your dreams. And then, boom! Yo, what's going on, mate? I was like, oh, shit, this guy knows Harry Rednap. Call Harry Rednap. Nah. How we doing, Harry? I'm absolutely amazing. I'm just- What if Marv got ratio dead on the podcast when I was trying to cap? That's a good- Hey, that's a good- That's excellent. That's an excellent move. When it works out, when you actually hit that phone call and they pick up, guaranteed if I called somebody right now, they're not even gonna pick up. I ain't even- Tell you what, my pal's about to do a podcast, right? They didn't believe on you, y'all. Daniel Kenan, to me, he's my friend. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, yeah, I don't care what you think to me. No, I really don't. Do you know what I mean? But what he's done for me, and this isn't financially or criminal, because we never made money together, right? We never made money together, right? I always made money on my own, made money myself, done things myself, right? So, my relationship with him was more about morals and principles. Do you know what I'm saying? Well, that's what it was, morals and principles. Why'd you do this? Why'd you do that? I'm like- He's like, life, Marv. That's not life. That's not life. Life is for living, life is for building. How I speak now is how he spoke to me. I'm only straight now, because he told me I was wasting my life. What are you doing? It's madness. You can do so much more. He just motivated me, inspired me. Even after the shoot, I was gonna get my leg chopped off, right? And I went to see him run down. I was fuming. I was in pain. I was in pain like you couldn't imagine. I've gotten to see him run down. I said, look, man, I wanna get my leg chopped off, mate. Can I get a bit of help to get this leg chopped off? I wanna get a blade though, but I ain't got the relics to get a blade. I don't know how much. There might be a couple hundred grand, blah, blah. I wanna get my leg chopped off, get a blade, but no notorious blade. So, I went with him. I said, look, I ain't got no relics, but I wanna get it. I can't get about it. It's painful. I can't do this. I can't do that. And he said to me, Marv, do you know what? He said, once it's gone, it's gone. He said, why don't you just give it a year? Just give it a year, mate. He said, you've been through too much. So, just fight it right now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I imagine walking around with no eye, no leg. That'd have been crazy. I'm glad you had a friend like that to tell you stick it through, man. Cause friends like that are hard to come by now. There is, especially in 2023, man. Long, long, long, long time friends that really helped you in hard times. If you really think about it, if you watch on this, really think about it. How many of them you've got? Probably not a lot. Come on, in other words, look. Come on, look what you've been through. Yeah, yeah. It's not over yet, kind of thing. They ain't over, like, to give it a year. You can suffer this for a year. And I thought, I said, no, if I can't suffer this for a year, where am I? I went in for a year and then a year later, well, 18 months later, I had a fight on the World Title undercut. It was Sergio Martinez production. Manila Martinez, D. Williams was fighting for his World Title or defending his World Title. I can't remember. Man, it was a young Spanish champion that was showing Sergio Martinez his skills. Right? Yeah. So he got put on the show to show Sergio Martinez this is a kid for you to sign, yeah? Against me. Yeah. Tell me you knocked him out. No, I never, he hit the deck. I've hit him, I've got a little clip on the video, you can see it. I've hit him, yeah. Come on, and he's gone backwards nearly, he went, nearly went down. He touched his hand down. And then that one, he dropped and got back up. Do you know what I mean? Did you win the fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're about to show him, we're about to show him punches and then he's sick, isn't he? I'll show you the thing, let me finish. I'll show you, I've got a, it's on YouTube, an edited version, so I always put it out there. Highlights, you know, I just punch his head in and he'd be tired and then when we come out, gone to the changing rooms after he was sitting there and I've gone like that. Took me a finger, because you ain't even seen my limp yet, have you? No, I didn't see your limp, no. No, no, see, see, see, see, see, see, there's what I'm saying to you, because look, I'll show you now. In that leg, I'm six foot three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh shit, yeah. And you had the fight like that? Yeah, yeah, I had the fight with all that, I've just got better like this. Life, yeah. In that room. Wait a minute. We're not gonna, we're not gonna, we're not gonna speed past that, like I didn't just see what I see. First of all, you six foot three on one leg and then you just five, 11 on the other leg, like what's going on? They have to cut a piece of your leg, like, or was you like naturally born like? Can we get an explanation? In the world is something that I'm glad I went through and I'm glad I went through. What made your life, if you could? If someone could turn around to you and say, Marvin, you get a reset button, but you're not allowed to be involved in crime. Would you take it? Yeah. You genuinely would. Yeah, yeah, I would, yeah. 100%, no shadow. Minimum percent. And do you regret anything in your life? Being a criminal. You regret everything you've done? Well, no, mum. Mum, mum. I only done what I had to do to get out, brother. Yeah, so people would commit to crime because they're their egos. I didn't give a fuck who you were, yeah? I wanted that. It started my way, I'm fucking taking it, bro. I went out on rob security bands and saw I could get as much money to buy a product. I bought products to get as much money as I could to get out. Then I realized I couldn't get out. I couldn't get out. So I thought, fuck it, I'll start again. So when I went through that fucking world to get to you, you're 40, so 40 some years you did that insanity. You just let it at the beginning, I'll get you. Through the top to get out. And when I got to the top, I realized you can't get out because it's like the amount of money you reinvest to get your end product, it's got too many people involved. You've got to partner up with too many groups abroad. It's not simple. Do you know what I mean? To buy a ton of sniff, there's four or five people involved. Do you know what I mean? You don't buy a ton on your own because it doesn't make sense. It's seven million quid, eight million quid. So you don't do it. You get three or four firms to chip in here. Do you know what I mean? You do it in a certain way. It's just what people do is business. Do you know what I mean? You get it to, you buy peanuts, you get it here, you sell it, you switch off. All the others come home and pretend to be gangsters. All the others have switched off and they're having fun with it. They're yachts, they're flights, they're heavy. Do you know what I mean? All the others are running man pretend to be Al Capone. Yeah? And that's what I don't get. They're all Al Capone fucks that ain't got no asshole. They've got no asshole. They've got no asshole. And I can tell you that now they have no asshole. They all talk a good fight. They got watches. They're all big fat. I ain't never heard nobody say they got no a-hole. That's, that's different. I'm telling you, you can't get some of the most. The way you all put together curse words or the way you all put together insults is bar none the best. Some of the best insults in the world. Look at them all. Look at all the villains now. They're all big fat cause they're whatless. They don't look tough to themselves. They have just that greedy, no good to make a lot of them. And that's all they are. Grooming no good greedy, that have realized they can't do it no more. Now some of them are living off their mother's assets and legacy. Some are living off bread and butter and some are clutching the stores on social media. Do you know what I mean? I'm actually using social media as a platform to launch what's coming. Yeah, because I know. As you should, that's what it's for. I use that world to survive. I use that world to grow. I use that world to learn. And it taught me nothing but edict dramas and fucking deceit. And what I realized is everybody I come across on that world was a simple. And now 2% of them wasn't. The rest of them greedy, selfish, miserable, whingey moaning, yeah? Facts. So I used to do things with people in certain ways. And I used to pay for products from the Farguff with some people just invest certain things with people. Right? And then just think about it. So we'd invest in the Farguff, invest in European gas, invest in things. So we're investing our time and our effort in getting nicked. Right? And then we take a risk to get it home. And then we take a risk to give it to someone. And then they're trying to tell me that I'm not doing them a favor. How? You ain't taking no risk. You ain't doing this, you ain't doing that. So all you've got to do is cash it out. Yeah. Right? So the only thing you're doing is risking your liby to cash it out. And I'm a. Right? So the way it's set up was I used to do people favors and give them a lot of prices. And then they used to, oh, fuck me. And I used to have the money. So how could you fuck me if I'm helping you? Yeah. How could you spend all my money? One kid, well, he got 120 grand worth of products. Right? And when I bought himself a Rolex, a BMW and an R1. Right? Yeah. I said, where's my money? He said, no, he's coming. I said, what you mean? What you mean he's coming? How the fuck have you got a bike and a car? And a Rolex. No, you ain't, mate. You should be looking. Go and get rid of it. I'm bringing my money up. Why'd you got a problem? You should be. What's the matter with you? You ain't done my dough. You ain't done the work yet. Yeah. Like, come on, pay. So that world is just full of weak, grooming, no good, deviant. They've got nothing better to do than be lazy. Gluttonous greedy. And they are. I'm really starting to think that Marvin has a thing against obese people. All of them, they're greedy. You buy a ton of puff for 165 grand and give it to your people for 800 or 900 grand. Back in the day, it was 2200 quid. So the older villains are even worse. Do you know what I mean? Because the prices ain't changed in Morocco for three decades, four decades, five decades. They ain't changed, do you know what I mean? No more than 100 pound a kilo in Morocco. And then you've got to get it from Morocco to Spain. They usually put 40 grand on there, do you know what I mean? And then usually 20 or 30 grand to get it home. Do you know what I mean? And that's what it costs. And that's what it costs to get puffed from Morocco here. And then everyone charges through the boat and then they're my pals. No, they're not your pals. You're just a fucking product that they're waiting to get thrown under a bus. That's why I've got out of it. Too many snakes in the game. They're all grasses. Now, what I know is this, you know? I've done bird for everything. Yeah? I know people in the drug game that ain't done no bird. Do you know what I mean? But they've been all day. Now, if you're in a drug game and the police are not looking to drive you mad, then you've got to ask a simple question. Why? Why? I'm nicked. There's South London and West London villains all around me, top of the fucking tree. Why? Top of the tree. Millions of pound gaffes, millions of pound products, millions of pounds lifestyle, right? They're known for feeding all the youngsters. They're known for getting everything for the youngsters. They're known for everything for the youngsters. I think I know where he's trying to go with this. Yeah, the youngsters getting it for 19 murders. But none of the old lot getting it. Trying to say they're working with the boys. When the old lot delivered the fucking machine guns to do the job. No one gets nicked. No one gets their color felt. We all get nicked and put on a car unit. How does that work? And then we got told that, don't worry son, you're right. We're gonna get you out of it. Did you know, and I'll tell you a fact, one of the major London gangsters, I won't mention his name at this date because it is facts, right? And I'm gonna get the person in front of me to said it, right, come on the visit and said this to me. I'm, we're getting 36 years recommended. That's what the starting point of his sentence was, right? Yeah. So then an old friend of mine come on the visit and told me he's got me out of it. He's got me out of it. He's got me out of it. I said, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, but escape on the run, out of the band, out of the bus, out of the, yeah, how are we gonna do that? Facts, right? And I will name this fella eventually, right? And I am gonna, because there's just no value, mate. And people have died, people have suffered, and people have fucking gone to prison for people's sake. So what this cunt said to me, right, is, we got you out of this, but you got to go on the informants register. I said, what? He said, you got to go on the informants register. He said, he's with us, you're sweet, nothing's gonna happen. You go on the informants register. We'll get you out. We'll get you out. Don't worry, I said, fuck that. I said, I'm going Europe, mate. I said, I can't be on the register. They get, I'm me out in Europe, fuck that. I'm going Europe, mate, fuck it. I'll take my chances. And if they give me 36 years, I'm gonna fucking escape. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to run for the best of my life. I've asked my missus already, would you live on the run with me? She said, yes, I don't give a fuck. I'm going on the run. Do you know what I mean? I'm going on the run. You ain't holding me in prison. I mean, you ain't doing it, mate. You ain't happening. I know I'll get out. I knew I'd get out. It's not an issue. I've got a load of my mates. Well, I'm aware of a load of people who got out of prison in the 90s. And I know I'm aware and I know a lot of people who got out of prison. In fact, three of my closest friends got off a sweat box and another 16 got off a coat. So I know people, dumb things and people who escaped from prison. I know people who escaped from Pentambul and I know people who escaped from Feralum and I know people who escaped from Scrubs. So I mean, so I know people who escaped from prisons. So I knew I would have escaped. So I said, fuck that, man. Fuck that about informants. There's over 10,000 informants in the UK that are getting paid. No, let me explain something. Let me explain something, mate. Pays. So they're not called informants no more and they're not called grasses no more. They're called Cove Intelligent Sources. It all means the same shit, though. Yeah, Cove Intelligent Sources, right? There's some people that don't even know their informants. They didn't gave them a proper name. Imagine that, right? Just imagine now, yeah? Your top shutter. Yeah. Top shutter. Busiest line, smashing it and everyone's coming to your house to get gear. What do you think there's always a house on every estate that never gets raided? It's an informant's house. No, it's not. See, that's what you believe, but it's not. It's a strategy. So I'm gonna release the strategy now. Some people know. Right. So, you're serving up. Yeah. You're serving up the creamest gear. Everyone knows you got the creamest gear. So I was leaving. Let you serve it up. I wait for Mr. Big to turn up. Then I follow Mr. Big to Mr. Mr. Big. Then I follow Mr. Big to Mr. Mr. Mr. Big. Do you understand? That's what they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they get the network and then they get the big people. They get that bit of network. Crash. Don't nick you, though. Yeah. You're gonna go and find a product again. You're gonna find a product again. Yeah, yeah. And then you go back to work. So you're like a sweet guy, so about even realizing it. That's true, to be fair. That's all they do. It's your systems. Business systems, business systems. Even prison is a business system. It's a system. So I'm learning all these systems. He's saying that, man. It's the same thing when they let all of these people, you know, somebody's in an informant somewhere. Somebody's a, somebody, police are corrupt somewhere. But somebody's always got a, you know, there's always like a quota that has to be met. So when these cops be finding these, oh, we just got our biggest bus. No, that ain't your biggest bus. They let you have that. You know what I'm saying? The big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big. They let you have that. It's probably like, kind of like the same, I don't know. I'm using my benefit to help my youngsters and our youth to not commit crime. So that's what we're going and what we're doing and how we're doing it. And it's just next level stuff we'll be doing now. Marvin, truthfully, I could sit here and talk to you all fucking day because your stories are, do you know what it is? It's crazy meeting someone who has actually lived it because there's a lot of people who you can speak to and they've been prison for two years. They've been prison for one year and they've not reoffended, which that's good. I respect people who, they make a mistake. They come out and they change. But you've lived a life that only very, very, very, very few people can say they've lived a similar life. There's not been a man I've met in my, in my lifetime so far who has got stories and I know people that vouch that your stories are real as well. So it's not like you're sitting here bullshitting me. I know people who have said, yeah, his story is true. Listen to him. So it's crazy to sit here and talk to you and the way you've changed your life around, just on a positive note with what you're doing with the youth is mental. If you can do it, anyone who says they can't do it, can do it. You know what, I got a mental and a young kid now. You're going to have him on his next level. I want to bring him through now. I'm going to, so off the back of me, I'm going to create another product called Luke Collins Walker. Yeah, and he's next level. He's next level young, young, young mentor in him to success. I'm going to have a product to show people what I can do. Live, real, live, everything. Because it's not about the crime shit. All these kinds of go out and they're out drinking, sniffing, partying. It's all for what? Like, and all the kids now, it's what I was talking about, you know the chicken shop kids, yeah. Now I'm going to start calling them the shitty finger kids. Right, because look, all the kids in the trap houses, yeah. They're working in trap houses, yeah. So they're going candy lines, yeah. How they getting the gear there? You tell me. Up their ass. So what do you think they got to do when they get to their gaff? Have a shit. Right, and they got to serve it up. What do you think they do? Put it on the side or back up their ass in case the police come? Back up their ass. Okay, so it's getting in and out of their ass all day, isn't it? So what's on their fingers? Shit. So what are they eating all day? Shit. They want to come and shake your hands. So that's where they've got the spudding from. A lot of people, it's a handshake. You never remember the firmness of his handshake, right? All of a sudden, 2000s, it's just handspuds everywhere. No one shakes hands. Why, because they've all got shit on their fingers. Been digging their assholes out for another hour long. Think about it. When you say it like that, it's true. All the nitties, all the nitties are the shoplifters, right? All the thieves, all the burglars, right? So before there used to be proper people. I know people made a living out of shoplifting. I know people made a living out of burglary. Proper family members, mate. Do you know what I mean? Nah, it's all gone because everyone's a shitty finger crew, do you know what I mean? Everyone's serving drugs up in everyone. If you're a criminal, you're selling drugs, mate. Like before, you had oysters, you had robbers. Now you've got a couple of robberies now and then a couple of smash and grabs now and then back. There's no real planned gear. They all shook members of me and they're snatching things in the heat at the moment, shooting people in the heat at the moment. All the gangsters out there now ain't got... He's very great. No asshole. They can't even run up on people and do them properly. Shooting people from a distance. So I mean, like, there's protocols to doing things in. In America, they'd be getting that point. So that's why we were different. If I had a problem with you, I'm coming to you direct, in front of you and things happened, didn't it? So I'm not proud of the life we led. I'm not proud of the things we've done but what we've done, we've done very seriously and it was for a reason. There was a purpose behind everything. So I live with a clear conscience because I've done badness to bad people that wanted badness done to them. Simple. So if you knew, yeah, don't start a dog, you'll get whiter. Why you want to start a dog? So you know what you're playing with when you come in my world. Everyone knew what I was. So I mean, I live a lie to no one. This is how it is. This is how it's got to be. This is what I want to do. What do you mean I can't? That was what I was, Charlie. Listen, Marvin, it was a pleasure having you on here. Genuinely, I could talk to you all day and we could go around for hours and hours but I need to, we need to end it somewhere because there needs to be a part two in the future because right now there's a lot of views. Before about, or ahead of you. From- That's it, TLO. This is a good one, man. A blue tick show. I got to see what else y'all got on him, matter of fact. Matter of fact, let's take a look real quick. Man, a blue tick show. Let's see. Videos. Let's see. Popular. Let's see. You got Gypsy Billionaire son on the nightclub at 16 census to prison for 99 years. Ben Hatcher. He got out on death row in Dubai at 19. The biggest lawyer exposes. Okay. That's some decent stuff. TLO, leave a like, comment, subscribe, turn on your post. I'm going.