 All right, it looks like make is on that brings us to eight. We're at quorum Chris is out this week. He'll be out next week as well. Brian has a conflict with the conference today But regardless, let's get jamming on the agenda. So quick reminder anti-trust policy notice. We'll review that every call Moving into the agenda mostly updates for today. So let's dive right in. So first as always the hackfest reminders October 3rd and 4th in Montreal is the next hackfest Following that we'll be coming back to Asia Pacific likely Hong Kong Singapore potentially Australia We're kind of exploring what's going to make the most sense in terms of space available as well as what works for the community One thing we do want to avoid is the Chinese New Year holiday And as well as some of the major events kind of around that time So looking at that we had initially thought potentially the week of January 14th or March 4th And we can certainly move to a doodle poll But just wanted to check quickly with this group if either of those dates seemed really good Or if there are any major concerns that that people saw and if there's no real feedback We can certainly move to a doodle poll if it sounds like either is potentially doable One cannot eat up for himself, right, but so first I'm concerned. I think that's okay Okay Yeah, sometimes we overlook a major event Appreciate the opportunity to say hey, it's the French national holiday or something But it's not if it's in January that will only be like three and a half four weeks after we were in Switzerland Correct the but we're looking more on the hackfest cadence and the previous hackfest will be October Yeah, but yeah, all right. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair point On on my own calendar, I know that after just after March would be a little easier for me, but that's Generally not an international celebration Gotcha It looks like There are a couple of there's real-world crypto is in California from the ninth Or the eighth to the twelfth that were the ninth to eleventh or so So if that one moved up earlier that could pose a challenge for flying to Asian back for some In and that was the in January or which month are you saying that's in January? Okay, tell me the name of the event again real-world crypto. All right, cool I'll note that in we'll check against that All right, sounds good. We'll we'll get a doodle pull out We'll check against those couple things that folks lagged All right, also the farther south we go the more summer like it will be All right Australia I Heard the vote for Australia. Yeah, I was thinking New Zealand too. Maybe Just a curiosity so you're skipping it's like either January or March. So is there reason February out so Chinese New Year Folks do leave during that our APAC team have been checking around some dates And this is after talking with China and Asia Pacific communities seem to be the weeks that work best for them But we can certainly try to Look at some other February stuff as well, but this is our the recommendation because Chinese New Year is not the whole month, right? correct I mean if we aim like beginning of February, I mean, I'm thinking, you know, it's kind of unfortunate One seems very close to indeed the December one, but And then it's a bit far out Yeah, February would seem like a more natural like yeah, this is a good middle kind of Place, but I understand there are many constraints. Oh, yeah, no, it's a good point. I know so we'll push back and see Within February if there's something like that could potentially work alright Cool moving on from there is the annual TSC election nominations closed at 5 p.m. Yesterday We had 29 folks nominate themselves really great Set of candidates there. We will kick off the election directly following this call Those that are eligible to nominate so as the 600 or so folks will receive a ballot To cast your vote. I will send a communication to all of you Just as this call wraps up that will run for one week We'll get the new TSC announced in the Thursday call next week and from there move into the chair election That's all there And then onward we've just got a set of updates. So we've got quarterly project updates I have still not seen anything come in from composer, but checking quickly if any of the composer folks are on the call And that sounds like no we will continue to you push there Indy I did see come in So I think you said that was Michael right Nathan. Yeah, all right sounds good and Michael if you want to share your screen Otherwise, I can send the link out to everyone whatever you prefer. Yes Let me pull that up and share my screen real quick. All right. Let me just Right can everybody hear me fine. Yep Great. So just a quick update on this past quarter We're seeing quite a bit of growth with in both the community and Just backing behind the maintainers as well. That's been a significant increase, but we're looking pretty well Based on our growth we worked through 94% of the CII badge and eyeing that graduation from incubation even more We've surpassed quite a bit of of milestones with that and among that those updates we've also had quite a bit of Gatherings, you know, we have brown bag events pretty consistently and the Amsterdam hackathon in the agent in the agent workshop were two highlights of the summer for us and all of these updates the running roadmap, I think we want to highlight that pretty well that is a Nice pretty consistently updated Document that continues to show where we're at As far as issues go, we're seeing just, you know, some of the typical issues of growth the growing pains. If you want to call them You know documentation community continues to Pose a difficulty at times where you know, there may be inconsistencies or lack of or on the other side redundancy and over Documentation so we're working on trying to consolidate that and Find good resources for both Developers and end users so we can you know meet the needs of this diverse set of contributors drug maps can be a great help for that. We've seen a lot of Lot of coordination also through hype. So that's kind of the hyper ledger in the Version of the HIPs for hyper ledger and it's just a project enhancement formal process And we've seen quite a few of those come in the past three months And Apart from that, we're just trying to make sure that there is some good consistency between some of the technology components such as the agency and Just ensuring that the growth that continues over these next three months doesn't stifle us in any way And then open to any questions Moving on we have There is one point I'd like to call out here and that is we've seen a lot of code growth outside of the hyper ledger indie project with you know folks like IBM and The British Columbia government creating some fairly significant code bases that have not yet moved into indie and we're working really at hard at trying to help those folks make PRs and contribute if you work with one of those groups The invitation here is please encourage them to make those PRs We really do want that code inside of the main hyper ledger indie project and then to get on you know credit as hyper ledger contributors as well as You know that code is is doing some significant Significantly helpful things in terms of helping grow the community and the usage of hyper ledger indie and making it a formal part of the project It's something that's very welcome And we're continuing to engage with them and try to you know work with them on helping get those PRs in but it's Not necessarily a priority for all the folks that are kind of working on the periphery So you have a sense of it. Oh go ahead Arna Well, I just want to respond because I know IBM is somewhat guilty in that department I'd be happy to work with them trying to help bring the gap, you know I and after that discussion with them on that front I mean, you know the other side of the coin is people don't feel like Bold enough. I want to say, you know, it's not like they don't want necessarily to contribute It's already open source, but they like well, can I make that contribution would that be welcome, right? There's a little bit of hesitation which I think is natural and so You know, and I don't mean to blame you guys for not making it welcoming enough But I think there's a natural hesitation that we have to overcome Well, and I absolutely agree and this is part of why we want to make a big deal of it, especially with the tsc that Any advice that you can offer in terms of helping us train our maintainers or you know Reaching out to those folks to help bring them in would be really helpful to us because we're kind of in that project growth stage where there's a lot of outside interest and a lot of action now occurring But like Arna says, people are fairly timid and we want to reach out to those folks and help bring them into the community And that was exactly my question as well is do you see that as the primary barrier is really kind of just encouragement helping Educate folks that it's Okay to come contribute and feel welcome in the community just general and projects are there other barriers you're seeing too Um, yeah, I think the the barriers that is first we had some pieces of infrastructure missing Meaning there wasn't a good place to put some of those contributions I think we've we've solved some of that and we need feedback on where we might be missing more Um, the second piece is involvement at hyper ledger in particular often takes voice calls And not all these teams are are used to that kind of approach And we're trying to make more use of the mailing list and more use of some of the other forms that they're more comfortable with And as we've seen some of that growth There's a lot of overlap with some of the other projects of hyper ledger that haven't been involved in indie yet For example, um at the Amsterdam in the Amsterdam community There was someone who built a blockchain explorer for indie and we all know how many blockchain explorers tend to pop up everywhere. So, um, we're trying to figure out how to best invite those folks in without causing Um any community consternation, you know, finding the right place for all those pieces to fit Gotcha, that's helpful Yeah, and Nathan I had a conversation with Sean at the Amsterdam hackfest. I have some ideas about, you know, different ways for like the contributing guide to to be improved and that sort of thing. So Um, I'm definitely willing to you know, work with you guys and see what we can do to make it a smoother process for people who Want to get involved but don't necessarily know how to But thanks Tracy Sorry, I know I was gonna say Nathan. I'll jump into I can look at help you guys with your infrastructure stuff and put on my coach Dave hat especially the Core infrastructure badge and stuff like that make sure we get Everything in place Yeah, because the other item here is I think we're ready to do graduation from incubation into active But I'm not entirely certain. I think there's a couple of That we started the process of doing the security audit And there's a couple of items on the cii badge where it depends on how pedantic we want to be We've kind of taken a very pedantic approach to filling out that form And some coaching will help us wrap that up All right, I'll follow back with you guys make sure you get all that in place. Um, yeah and security audit, yeah You know Nathan on that front the best way to assess where you are is to actually Pretend you're going to apply for the Graduation right take the form try to fill it out and see, you know, if you have any gaps where you need to fill them So I think we already have the form filled out We'll check with Tracy and Dave to see how far away we are and maybe we'll be able to get that email out sooner than later Cool So otherwise, I wanted to add a little bit to the discussion I think everything you guys have talked about will make it easier But at the end of the day, I really feel there's a human dimension This hesitation that I was referring to, you know, you're an outsider at first you don't You don't have any pretence that you can be a contributor to the project because you're new So you start your thing on the side and then your side thing becomes bigger and bigger And then you have to get through this process where you say no wait I actually know enough about this technology that can actually contribute something meaningful and valuable to the broader community That it will make sense to actually move it into the project and I think, you know, some of this I don't think the tools themselves will I mean everything we do there, of course is welcome The easier we make it the better But at the end of the day, we may still have to reach out to the actual people to talk to them and say no No, but don't hesitate. They will welcome your contribution. So again, I'll be happy to try and help out with that part I know the people in IBM were working on this. I mean touch with them. So Great. Thank you Arnau So just to clarify with that you're saying that if we take more of a proactive approach to say to reach out to these side projects if we want to label them that That would help expedite the process of getting those Updates and changes into the repository. Is that correct? Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying Great. Awesome I'll see if we can follow up with you to to continue this discussion if you said you could help us out with that We'd really appreciate it Thank you. And thank you as well to Dave, Nathan, Trace and everybody else Um Continuing on with this, you know, the releases and the activity we've had has to do a lot with the um You know, we've we've completed the ci got getting close to completing the cii badge a lot of hypes going in and There's been a lot of work with the indie agent um Which we've seen it's kind of it builds on top of the sdk and Uh extends a lot of use cases and has established kind of an environment where a lot of uh Communities are building on top of it now because they see the practicality of it Um, and our current plans again, we're hopefully we'll be able to move toward graduation from incubation see if we can figure out the last few boxes there We want to continue refining our documentation um, hopefully this can help us You know Aid those who want to contribute um to contribute in a much more efficient manner and feel less intimidated Perhaps by the the code based on by the community um And then there are kind of project specific within india different goals to help kind of polish a couple more things off As i mentioned before with maintainer contributed diversity. We have a couple new maintainers for indie agent And they're from different communities. I think we have steven steven curran and matthew hailstone from ui u and nbc gov. They're they're really contributing quite a bit and they were self Volunteered or in other words that they really contributed on the projects and decided to help contribute even more So we've loved having them on board And with contributor diversity again as nathan said, you know, there's a lot of work going on out there And we just want to try and get it in but we've seen a lot of communication over rocket chat and on the mailing list I feel like it continues to grow pretty well Any any questions on that? Thank you. All right. Thank you all All right, and Just wanted to chime in. Thanks for the the really thorough update and especially forgetting that in uh unscheduled And then for next week, we'll have uh hyperledger borough update Okay, then moving into the final topic for the day on the quarterly work group updates public sector work group rose Are you on I know The update did come in Marta, are you on? I am on uh rose is uh saying that she will be on as well Okay, uh, but uh, let me Would you post the uh report that I can report back? Yep, uh, I just posted it in to rock it and then let me just post it into the zoom chat as well one moment Did that did you receive that did did you want to provide the update in roses absence or are you trying to get her on the Sorry, I was I started to give an update and muted myself Yes going back. Uh, the group has launched in the june uh 2018 so very recently It's the youngest working group. Uh, and t s uh in hyperledger um, we've I've been chairing it for the first few weeks uh, but very quickly Rose took over because she has been proving to be very active and very interesting and thank you tsc for nominating her um, it is about 18 to 22 people every call we meet On every other friday when it's not the healthcare working group meeting um I think that uh, the biggest issues and problems are around Not having enough public sector representatives. It's rather people who want to work with public sector um So, uh, rose is planning to do more of direct outreach particularly to to kind of encourage the folks that subscribe to the mailing list and subscribe to To the group to make sure that they really Work They members are more Programmatic than a technical which is the case for many of the industry specific working groups So one of the challenges will be if we want to Uh implement something coming out of that group to find people who actually have the knowledge and ability Uh, however, the group has been working very actively. Uh, I would say that How for the group is really good. Um, the chat channel has low activity, but uh, So is the mailing list, but the discussions are really good There was a survey that was created To find the ideas for what we want to do The survey and the emails answers are Uh in the report um The biggest That kind of shows the top the people that are on the in the group and it also shows the Some of the issues which is the biggest access is to get Interest is to get access to libraries of use cases. Uh, so really people come there to learn, uh, but there are not many people to teach We are now connected to with uh, and or we have created a concept where every Call there is a project presentation Until up until now we had projects from smart dubai Governments of Ontario and British Columbia and Canada There is also a lineup for next calls. We want to that way to kind of inspire people and then Get them to ask questions Group has submitted the panel proposal to the hyperlateral global summit, which I think is a great show of, you know Being able to come together in a very short period of time and actually producing some work Uh, we are planning to create a use case repository on the viki or wiki We will continue to work on project presentations And we'll hopefully we'll get the submission in and then we can uh, do the panel as well There is a good diversity in terms of the representation and geographic spread, but there is not much diversity in technical versus general capabilities um So we would love from tsc Uh to refer us more members if you have in your companies or if in your Ecosystem people who would be good contributors to the group. Please send us them our way and We feel like this group is starting to shape up as a programmatic space And The discussion of how to communicate concepts to layperson decision makers is one of the big topics recently Um, so that's it and I'm looking for questions This is whipping. Hi. How are you marta? Hi, Zitin Uh, so, uh, I know that uh, There are Organization, I mean, let me put it this way. There are schools like like colombia school of international public affairs Um, you know, it's one of those institutions So have you, you know, we we've had uh, hyper ledger presentations there like I have presented on digital identity and privacy, but Most of the others are concerned with public policy. It's a school of international public affairs, so they Talk about that stuff a lot. So there are some contacts there where You know, and I'm sure that the similar programs exist in other Other universities and I think uh, this would be a great, uh source of Sort of reaching out to the practitioners Who interact with You know the governmental agencies or governments in terms of Blockchain because they're also very interested in this blockchain business This is a very good point. Actually, um, we are just working with colombia to get them And as associate members, um Um, so this will be a good opportunity, but you're right. We should try reaching out more to the academic environment Hi, mantard. This is bohua Um about the public sector group meeting How many persons are from the isopacific area? Do you know that? Not that many or there are many subscribed to the mailing list, but there are not many participating in the meetings I would imagine it could be the time problem. Uh, we are looking at, um shifting the time and Another quarter so to have six months in one time zone and six months in another time zone Okay, uh, let me see, uh What we can do to have entirely more persons to attend a meeting That would be wonderful Great. Any other questions for marta? Uh, thank you marta for for doing the overview there And then just a quick reminder for the quarterly work group updates The next one will be not until september 6, but uh, that will be the architectural work group at that time So that brings us to the end of the agenda for the day Um, happy to give everyone 30 minutes back to your busy schedules But just take a quick minute any other questions comments thoughts from the group Yeah, the global summit you don't really list that in an upcoming events. Is that because it's not a technical thing? Um, yeah, so we had listed it before just around the call for papers for technical topics But it's a good point. Let me just add that back to the reminders on an ongoing basis Just so folks remember and what does registration for that close does anybody know? Uh, daniella, do you happen to know off the top of your head? I suspect probably November-ish time frame, but um Yeah, I'll look it up. Don't worry about it. All right sounds good. Thank you Related Sorry, um bob here related question there. Does anyone know what the timeline is? On which talks for that are going to be finalized Yeah, I believe that gets announced on september 11 Um, or right about that week is when we're we're gonna announce the agenda So I think speakers get notified shortly shortly before And I can add that into the minutes. I'll I'll get a firm date for you. Thank you Um Doesn't sound like any other questions. So thank you everyone for the time and uh, we'll chat with you all next week Have a good day everyone. Thanks everybody. Have a nice day. Thanks everyone. Have a good day. Thank you