 Okay. Welcome back to our second hour of class. Before we move forward, I think there's a question here and I'll just read out the question and respond. So it says, say a spouse is alcoholic and therefore there are big financial problems. He doesn't accept his problem or want help, but it is destroying the family. He's not violent. How would you guide the counseling setting goals? If the counseling says, I feel hopeless because I don't know how to get out of the situation, I'm stuck in. Okay. So in a case such as this, and your first couple of lines says he doesn't accept his problem or want help in itself shows that there is no readiness for any kind of support or help at all. So you would consider a person like this unfit for counseling. And if we do find that there are people who come in and if when you determine the circumstances and you determine that they have come in there by force or because, you know, you know, and usually this is seen in a hospital setting, they've come in there because of some kind of physical issue or, you know, they've been sent by the police or by a legal warrant to take help. You would find that, you know, there isn't going to be much of a willingness to take help because they're there for an external reason. So in a case like this, you wouldn't even, you know, really progressive with counseling because you do see that there is a lack of motivation. There is, there isn't a place where they are willing to even look at there is a denial of the problem. So if there's a denial of the problem and they say there is no problem, then what are you going to help with. In a case like this, you wouldn't refer or you wouldn't suggest that they come in for counseling, you would say that you sense that they aren't ready to really look in depth into their struggle or into their problem. So if this is the case, one wouldn't take them on for counseling in itself. Beth, I hope I answered that because you'd, okay, if it's the alcoholic spouse, you're, you're who's looking for help, you're dealing with her and not with the, with the, with the, with the alcoholic itself, you're dealing with the spouse. So there it is, what, what is it how do you personalize it personalize it is, is to, I think we spoke about this earlier that even if you're not the source of the problem and somebody else is the source of the problem. What are you going to do to manage this issue on your own. So you're making it. How is it that you're contributing in the problem by staying in it. Right. There's a big issue over here that that that is maybe, you know, so some some of this, since you're talking about alcoholic issues. There is this thing called as enabling where spouses or family members enable the behavior, enable the behavior by, you know, not disclosing the kind of issues that they're going through or providing for them, or, you know, giving them money to drink so that they don't make a scene outside of the house. All of this is called enabling behavior so that you would focus on how are they contributing in maintaining the alcoholism in the spouse. How are they contributing it so then that's where you bring about change for the, for the spouse over here. Okay. What does that help. Yeah, so I was just thinking, if, if the spouse has sort of is not enabling and has done everything they can, but the situation is not changing. Yeah, but the alcoholic isn't violent. Is there any situation where you would maybe even counsel say the wife from leaving the situation. So what you would look for even if when you're saying they aren't enabling in a passive way she is enabling. How is the, how is money coming home. How is the family being fed. You know, where is he getting money from for the alcohol all. If the alcoholic is the breadwinner, and he's controlling the money, and maybe just giving her whatever is leftover or not leftover. And she's struggling to maintain the house because he's not providing enough. That's where in this in these hard situations that these are definitely hard situations and this is where, you know, of course, you got to be extremely careful about not giving undue suggestions. You know why don't you leave the home. Right, but then it's something that you help them see. Okay, you feel frustrated because whatever you're doing. Nothing seems to seem to help and you really want to work something out. What are your specific options. So you're getting her to take onus about the fact that maybe there are, she may need to look outside, she may need to get the help of family. She may need to expose his, his alcoholism to, to, to some somebody outside or to, you know, to take a call for herself about about giving some kind of ultimatums. These are all things only she can do. You know, so that's what you're moving her into empowering her to make that change for herself so that because all of this time her in action is maintaining the problem. So when you personalize it, you are encouraging her to take some action so that there is movement in some direction. The more that she stays inactive, the more that the problem is going to be is going to breed. So when it's only when she personalizes it is that she comes to a place of taking on further action into changing it at some course, you know, moving it from the place from the status core to either the next level. Right. And it may actually get worse. But then there is a movement that's happening that that work that's that's helping her to enlist maybe support from others or enlisting legal help or, you know, choosing to to give him an ultimatum saying that, you know, I'm listening until something works out. I'm not, you know, I won't be there. But it all really depends on the situation of the of this individual, you know, what if she doesn't have any other support system. So they may be just, you know, minimal support that she has but empowering her to use that. And that's what you would do to help them see whatever resources they have to help them move the situation from a to B, you know, and it is it's a step by step. It's not that everything will change in one day, but maybe it's the first step to probably involve the neighbors. The next step is maybe involve the family. The third step is to involve the police or the fourth step is something else. So it goes step by step, but that happens only when you help them to take agency to take owners of that of the of the issue. Beth, I hope that dresses it at some level. Okay. All right, so let's move on to the next skill and we were we were looking into the next skill which is just going to Okay, the next skill that we're going to look into is the skill of influencing. How do you influence the counseling to into moving into, you know, moving into a different perspective or or now certain. Okay, so what are influencing skills. It's, it's an approach that one that the counselor would would focus on directly. And if you look at the word influence, it means to flow in. It is the act of producing something it is a it is it is ensuring that you're producing an effect without too much of a without too much of a force or without without really directly imposing something or without and a strong command or an exercise of commander it's a skill where you are where the counselor takes to bring about a proactive step towards change. So for example, when they are not in a place of of moving from from where the situation is to where the situation should be, you know, just being able to just just talking about the situation you want you would like to like them to move on from one place into another is where you would use those influencing skills it is to influence is to to the act it is a it is a way of producing some a different effect a positive effect without a without really exerting too much of a force. Okay, and this helps when a counselor is looking for or the counselor would want the counselor to move into certain action that can bring about some change, okay, which could be permanent. So you would like them to move from one level into another rather than staying on at the problem area, but moving them into a place of focusing into how to bring about a solution. So the purpose of of influencing skills is to bring about change in the way the counselor may think or act so it's about adding a fresh perspective and hope so maybe it's it's bringing about thoughts and ideas and perspectives, which may not, which wouldn't have, which the counselor may not know about. So this could be certain, certain giving of certain information, helping them to understand certain consequences and we're going to be looking into that what what are some of the common influencing skills that are used in counseling. So it is to bring about change in the way in in the situation or the way that the counselor is seeing the situation to where that they would like to go. It's about adding new perspectives about the about the problem. This is generally used when the counselor counseling is exploring alternative ways of thinking or behavior how else what else should I do to handle my problem what are the, you know, the next few steps what else can I do so you, you're there as an influence to help them to think larger to find out strategies that could work in a situation like that. So that's what influencing is you are coming to a step of pushing them forward into the next phase of action. Okay, so we're going to look at a couple of influencing skills and with certain examples so that, you know, you and this is specifically used at a time when you are getting them to move into the next point of action. Okay, so the first one is confrontation. Now the skill of confrontation is is a very important counseling skill and as with all other counseling skills, there is a right way of doing it and there is a wrong way of doing it. So here it's helping the counseling face themselves realistically, especially as they interact with that with the problem or with other people. So it is, it's a very direct technique. So often you'd see that counselors bring about their stories with with often with a lot of contradictions. Okay, contradictions. Often you how you would see those contradict contradictions is there is a stated thought and feeling. Okay, they say something, but they're thinking about something they're thinking about something and they're expressing a feeling in a in a very different way. There are contradictions contradictions between feeling and behavior. So they may be feeling a certain way, but they may be behaving exactly the opposite. And these combinations are always, you know, that can be huge number of permutations and combinations to this. Now, sometimes to complicate things further, counselors, they have ambiguous feelings, that is, that is, they can feel two opposite feelings simultaneously. And they are usually quite unaware of this, that they are doing this. And in order to help the counseling address the distress that they are going through, it is essential that some of these discrepancies or these inconsistencies are brought to their attention and address. Otherwise, you know, it can make them feel very stuck in their situation. So, how do we do this? When you do this, and like I said, you know, that is a wrong way and a right way of doing this, especially when you confront them, you know, when when we do confronting in a in a very direct kind of a manner, it can bring them to be extremely defensive, because you know, counselors need to remember that, you know, they begin to see you as a counselor, often in a one-up position, as if you're the expert in this and that you're holding the greatest power in this. So then, if the counselor is not careful in how you confront the counseling, the counseling may feel extremely negative, may feel negative, and they feel judged, they may feel put down, and they may feel that it's it's things may get worse than what on that how it started, but a good way of confrontation is to be gentle, to be supportive, and something that truly reflects what the counselor, what the counselor is sharing with you. So the idea basically behind this is to help the counselor explore the conflict more deeply, whatever conflict that they are expressing or feeling, it is to help them see it more deeply with the goal of formulating a new idea or a new plan that is going to benefit them. So when you are when as a counselor, you are confronting, you're actually expressing your genuine confusion to the counseling, okay, so that you are you are in a place to fully understand what is happening. So when you frame it that way, the counseling is a lot more amenable to that understanding. So it's a direct technique, whereas open and honest clarification of maybe patterns that you see in the counseling. And this challenges the counseling to look at that conflict and also reconcile the conflict. So I'll give you a quick example. So, you know, in one of the sessions that I had the, the client, the counseling is, is into abusing alcohol. And the theme, the thing that he kept saying is, you know, I know that there needs to be a change. But, yeah, I know that there needs to be a change, but I, I don't seem to know what to do. Okay. And through the session, there were other things that he kept stating, you know, I, I know that I am only functioning on 20% of my capacity to change my thing. But 80% is something that I don't have. I don't, I, I don't have the motivation and the will to do that. Okay, so this seemed to be like a common thread. Okay, I know, but I don't have the motivation. So, so something that we bought up through counseling, something that I pointed out to him and said, you know, I'm kind of sensing that there is that the will or the motivation to do, to do something different has become like an escape route for you. Do you think that resounds with you? And, you know, what, what happened is he took a, he took a seat back and he, he just said, yeah, I, and he, the fact is that he, he, he thought about that and said that every sentence he was making came back to the fact that I know, but I'm not motivated enough. So it was almost like something that he was hiding behind and the will, yeah, this is what he said, the will to do it, you know, the determination to do it. So we were talking and as we were going through the session, we were talking about determination or the will to do it and maybe just doing something that you know is right. Okay, the will and the, the need to do it, the, just the fact that there is a right way of doing it. And all of his actions were behind the will. I don't have the will. Okay, but he was able to say that there are some things that you just need to force yourself to do. So that this was a huge contradiction and that's what we bought up in the session, that you don't have the will, but you're saying that there are certain things that need to be forced, and you can do that. So when he began to see that, you know, when, when that was confronted, he began to say, Yeah, I see that I see that I've been hiding behind this unable to determine to be determined to do that. But maybe there are certain things I must just force myself to do. And probably it will change. Okay. So that's what, that's what we mean by confrontation. So let me bring about an example that will probably help. Okay, so the example here is the councillor is saying, I just don't have time to exercise, and I don't have the money to join a gym anyway, but I really want to lose weight and feel better. Okay, so what do you see here. There is a there is a want. Okay, there is a there is a huge need, but an unwillingness I just don't have time to exercise and I don't have the money to join a gym anyway. So here the councillor, there are two ways of responding. One is a wrong way, saying, you're just making excuses then you know what's good for you and you refuse to do it. Okay, this is accurate, but it is not properly framed. So rather a way of saying it is, on one hand, you know, exercise is good for you. But yet on the other hand, you don't want to do it. Could you explain this to me. Okay, so here again, you're not looking as the, the experts saying, hey, I know all your answers but you're saying this is the discrepancy that I see. And is this something that you can think about or is this something that you can flesh out for me. Can you explain it to me so then you're helping them saying yeah, yeah, you know, I see that that that is a motivation is a lack of motivation and not that I really can't do something. Right. So that really helps to build up to when you confront it, it helps them to understand what they may be battling or what they may be dealing with. So that's confrontation. That's the first one. The next one is another influencing skill is what we call this focusing in focusing. What what happens what what you're doing is it is enabling the counseling, the counselor to direct a counseling's conversation into another area. So whereas you, by doing that, you're helping them generate a new perspective towards their story. Like for example, you may notice that a counseling is mentioning very little about some area of his life. And the counselor may be believing that there is something which he's missing out, definitely has a direct correlation to the story that they're talking about. So you're attempting to the focus or direct their focus in another area which you may see is directly impacting the way that the situation is. Okay, so we look at an example again. The client, the counselor is saying I'm wondering how I will manage my finance, many bills to be paid, kids tuition fees, house maintenance and much more. Okay, so the counselor responds, you are worried about the many responsibilities you have financially. So the client says yes, absolutely. And the counselor saying often. So here they're influencing they're helping to be focused to change the focus. Often the amount and the way we spend our money can give us a good idea on how we can manage our finances. What are the other things you like to spend on. Okay, so here, feeling that maybe through the conversation that the counseling does not have a good hold over money. The counselor is attempting to focus on, on other things. So this counseling has just mentioned a few things that seem obvious, but other things are not being focused on and this is what the counseling would like to do. You know, what is another way that you spend your finances and maybe that's a good way, good place to start. And so it's a, it's a very gentle refocus on talking about something that you feel may have a contribution to the problem that the person may be going through. So that's focusing. Okay, now I'm going through very quickly with this because, you know, this these things are used, you know, why, especially in the phases of, of your, of understanding, right, the phase of self understanding. This is where it is used. And, you know, it, these things help to bring about a consolidated way for the counseling to understand the problem as well as to work through what may be actually causing these difficulties. Another one is interpretation or reframing. Now this is, again, a common skill that is used in counseling. The objective here is to help them build another perspective towards the problem so that they can take action. You're changing maybe a negative frame of reference that you are seeing. And through this you're encouraging them to, to, to perceive whatever their experiences in a different fashion in a different light. Like, for example, let's say a counselor who is upset about having to move away from the home is, you know, is likely focusing on the loss of her support network and the familiarity of the count of the, of the place that she's in. So what is the counselor doing here? The counselor may say, while acknowledging that, you know, it's a huge loss, they could reframe that event to a, to a, to a better position. So let me bring about that example. I think it'll, it'll help to understand. Okay. Okay. So the, the counselor is saying, moving away from home has made me miserable. I miss my family, my friends and everything that was so familiar. So the counselor says, you feel unhappy that you have left behind all your loved ones and everything that was familiar through this. What good do you see through this? Although, so the counselor says, I don't know everything is so new. And here, the counselor says, counselor says being in new situations can be quite stressful, isn't it? However, it's an opportunity to experience new people and places too. What do you think, right? So here, when the counseling is probably at a loss, you're bringing up a thought or a, or a different frame of reference. Maybe it's your own frame of reference, but you're bringing it here and looking for ways for the counseling to, to look at it differently. So you're saying, maybe it's an opportunity to experience new people or you could say, you know, people often in new situations do, do find other opportunities to meet new people and places. How does that sound to you? Or what do you think about those kind of ideas and thoughts? So you are helping to interpret or helping it to reframe it in a different way so that they're able to look at the situation a little bit more positively. You're helping them to engage in a more positive fashion in their, in their situation. Okay, so that's the third one that is about interpretation or reframing. The fourth one is logical consequences. And this is something we all use on a regular basis. This helps the counseling to look at positive possible outcomes. What are the pros and what are the cons of a certain situation? You're looking at positive possibilities. You're looking at negative possibilities and trying to concentrate on something that is more positive. So you're looking at logically, if I were to do this, what would be the good ways? What would be the bad ways, right? And that's something rather than you doing it, you know. And I remember in last week's certain role plays, more than us saying, hey, you know, if you do this, this will happen, this will happen, this will happen, but if you do this, this and this, you needn't do that. You are actually helping them to come up with certain consequences. So let's look at an example. The counselor says, what are your expectations regarding the medication that is given to you for depression? So probably in this, the client, the counselor has depression and is looking at medication. So the counselor is saying, I guess with the medication, I should feel better in a few days and have them taken off. Okay. So the counselor gives in, you know, some kind of knowledge base here. Actually, the first few weeks, you may really not experience much change. It may take a month or more to see the real effects of the medicine. So the counselor says here, oh, that's disappointing. You really wish it would work quick. However, it would be necessary to keep a constant follow up. So what you're doing here is helping them look at the consequence of something that they have decided on. So here the counselor says, I may take the medication off. Right. And here you're giving them a knowledge base and saying it may take a month. Okay. And the last sentence, you're actually responding to the disappointment of the counselor. You're not responding to the disappointment of the counselor, but you're saying it would be necessary to keep a constant follow up. Okay. So in this way, you're helping them to take a right course of action through the skill that you are attempting to build through this. Okay. So that's logical consequences. The next one is what we call as, sorry, self disclosure. Okay. Self disclosure is where your, the counselor discloses personal information, which may be relevant or supportive to the counselor's decision making process. So you may be giving in something from your own life or some personal information that is relevant for them making a decision. And this is used often as a motivational factor to help them work through a situation. Okay. And also again, it is something that creates trust and rapport in the relationship. So let's just look at an example. Okay. The counselor is saying, I know how hard it is to be consistent about disciplining children. I struggled with correcting the behavior of my children to for a while a few years ago. Often it just feels like it's more work and effort, but at the end I have seen that it has paid off being consistent. So the counselor says, Oh, I can't imagine you having problems managing your, your children. So the counselor says, I'll take that as a compliment, but it's been a learning experience for me too. Right. So when there may be times that, and there are times that you can self disclose. But again, it should be minimal. And that's where I want to go back to this, this appropriate use. How do you use it appropriately? It's being intentional. It's being simple and not being very complex. It shouldn't be about you telling your story. It's being parallel to what the person's saying, not lying to be able to time it correctly and not disclose too much by doing it. Yeah, by doing it too much or by doing it too frequently. Alright, so being careful about the way that you use this thing of self disclosure because and often I see that especially, you know, in a pastoral setting this works. It works wonderfully when you're able to share in simple terms certain struggles that you see see that's happening that it encourages them to work on something themselves also. Okay. The next one is feedback. This involves giving information. This is just information about what will which which a councillor can use as a reference for improvement. So this is concentrating specifically on good things of the of the councillor and helping to explore certain possibilities so that they could get better. So it's a feedback mechanism of what you see that the councillor has been working on. So let's look at an example. The councillor says, I'm wondering if you have noticed that each time we have discussed the children, your eyes have filled up. Would you explain to me what you're going through? Okay, so that's a feedback. Okay, that's that's maybe like a like a feedback to get about an exam to get about a talking about something or another example is over the past few sessions you seem to have made efforts to stick to your schedule. You have prepared the progress you're seeing could be related to that. That's a job well done. So you're actually just giving either a positive feedback or a feedback to bring about some form of a change or some form of a movement into the next way forward. So giving that is also influencing them to stay the course and stay the stay the action. Okay, and last one is providing information and suggestions and this is something that we also do where you are creating new possibilities or bringing about new alternatives or inspiring them to approach certain problems in a new way. So this is how you would give certain suggestions. An example. I have the councillor says I've been wanting to know all the investment plans available in a bank, but I'm afraid I really don't understand some of these terms. So here's a suggestion. Yes, with all the jargons, it can be a bit unfamiliar. A good person to approach to find out about these financial plans is a bank manager. So you are giving specific information, or it could be certain information about a condition that they may be going through Maybe some kind of a mental health condition that they may be going through that they require information. So as much as you can, you are, you should, it's called an education, right? So you do give them the details or factual details of something, and then try to understand how much what they can take with the kind of information that they've been given, how they can move that forward with the information that's given. Okay. Yeah, is there any questions here? I know this is a real run through, a really fast run through. Maybe I think what we could probably do is let me give you all, yeah, okay, let's try and work one out. So the councillor is saying, I know I generally feel better after the medical procedure, but visiting a doctor is so frightening. Those needles, the smell and the entire environment can be very daunting. Would anybody like to try and What any of this you can use interpretation or a reframing or even a logical consequence. Anyone would like to try. You could do a logical consequence that probably would be the easier one to do. How would you reframe this for the councillor? Anyone? Nobody. Okay, let me help you with this. So the first thing that you could first is, you know, respond. And say, you know, this must be extremely daunting for you every week coming in to meet with the doctor with the needles, with the smell, with the entire environment can be very discouraging because you're doing this week after week, isn't it? Okay, so you've responded and now you're getting into a probably an interpretation or a reframing and saying something like, you know, once you've had this, once you've had this medical procedure, how do you feel? How do you feel physically? Okay, so this is it's only come through a question. Okay. And so they may say, yeah, I feel actually I feel a lot better for the next two weeks. I feel a lot more energy. I feel much more stronger. So then, so then maybe you respond by saying, so sometimes going through this can be daunting, but but for the two weeks, it may be worth it. Don't you think so, you know, so you've interpreted it differently by helping them see that there is a there is maybe something good that comes out of this. Okay, or in logical consequence, very similarly, you could say, yeah, as as much as this may be very difficult for you. What, how do you think what what are the implications of this procedure for you, right? So you're helping them to logically find out, okay, yes, there are negative consequences, but maybe the positive ones are a lot more much more stronger. Okay, so that's how you tend to reframe. Okay, I think someone had asked a question. Someone had put up their hands. Yes, one was these influencing skills that you've listed that they're not listed in an order of priority, like we first go with confrontation and then focus. So any, any, any influencing skill that seems fit. Yes, the tool that the counselor could use uses. Yeah, there are many, you can use whatever is relevant to your discussion, you don't you don't use all of them. Right. It's what is relevant for your discussion. Right. So along those lines, I was thinking, you know, like it, like some of them kind of speaks to a counselor's personality type, like, for example, I'm assuming just for me, I'm more drawn towards logical consequences to kind of naturally take that up and and approach any situation with a logical point of view and and jump to that. So that, so, you know, so that, or I know my wife, if you were to become a counselor, she she almost like all the time does the self disclosure, like she puts herself like, oh, even I had this, the same thing. So, so I'm wondering if there's any danger in that I want to say, like, you know, probably leaning on one skill too much might be a disadvantage. But I don't so that that's like an open and like your thoughts kind of thing, like, do you use all of it, like, or do you consciously choose like what has just come naturally. So that was, yeah, that was something. But the other bigger question also thing is, you know, in the beginning, somewhere we had. So one of the points that I stayed with me is this journey. There's the self determination, like, you know, the counts, what what what we're helping is the counseling, like the solution is self determined and that works best. However, this influencing skills seems a little counterproductive to that. It's directed. Yeah, it's almost like, yeah, so it's it's not self determination. It's like, you know, we are borderline offering solution to the counselors. So I was struggling with those that that concert. Okay, so you use so if you look at this entire list. They, they can be used in different situations like in confrontation, you use it when you are seeing a discrepancy between between what they're saying or what they're doing. Yeah, what they're saying what they're doing what they're behaving what they're feeling, you see that and that's what you want to call out because you probably feel that there is something that is not being addressed that seems to be hidden. So that's, that's when you use something like that. Interpretation is when your counseling is able to see it only in a specific perspective and nothing else, and they stuck in that. And you want them to look at something so often you will have and very often you will have counselors coming and say I don't know how to look at it differently. So when you're you are giving, it's like, it's like giving them a smell of meat. Okay, when you smell meat and you say okay that that smells nice maybe I should try and taste it. That's what you're doing. And, and this isn't just probably and one maybe not just in one perspective, but that's what you move into help them to look at different perspectives. So yes, you're right that it comes from the counselor, but what you're doing here it is. It is bought about in such a way that it, although it is a directive approach. It's not an approach that imposes you have bought about an idea and you're asking them to probably think about what it would mean for them. So even when something like that comes about you still, you're still giving the last word to the counseling, you may need to help to show them a different perspective by bringing about, you know, the smell of that meat. But they're the ones who would eventually need to chew it and eat it and digest it. Okay, but yes you are, you are going to be doing that. Or let's say the last one that we looked about was the last one was the feedback the last one was the providing information and broad suggestions. Okay, now for someone who is absolutely like last week I had someone who had who went through psychosis or schizophrenia. Okay, so she she's she's had a huge she has had an episode of it and she had no clue as to what the entire episode was. So something that and there were there were questions that were framed as to, you know, what will happen will I will will will I get this again. What is going on wrong with me so there has not been any information that was shared by her psychiatrist so the suggestion that was made was, you know, you seem to be really lost about what this is going what what is going about. Have you ever have you have you bought this up as a discussion with your counselor so you are giving a broad suggestion, because it may be needed for her to understand a lot more about her condition. Okay, so you're giving her the the responsibility to actually go do that on herself and figure that out so she came back saying, Yes, the doctor did tell me about this this and this. So then we started and say, Okay, what does that make you feel where do you think you are at with the kind of diagnosis that you've had so sometimes it may be important to be a bit more directive so that they have a place to go or they know how they have to go or let's say if there is a woman who has who's being. There is there's violence at home okay that is that is physical abuse that's going going on. It is it is to understand that there is a struggle that's there and what are the alternatives that she's you so she said yes I've I've probably walked out of the home I've called the neighbors. You know I've sat and gotten the beating so you're also helping them you're and the influencing skill is to say what what are the other places that that people have suggested to you what have other suggested to you that you should do. So there you're giving a direction say okay maybe my mother told me that I should probably go to the police and given a complaint. Okay, what does that make you feel so there may be certain things that you know whatever is in your understanding or your ability to assess the situation to give. Relevant information to provide those broad suggestion so that they could take that take that on and again this is this is very relevant to the needs of the counseling it's not. It's not something that you will force it down and you're also looking at whether they will be receptive if they are not receptive. Then you know you can you can you step back you step back and say you know that that's fine if that information is something that you wouldn't want to try and there are many times. Counselors may come back and saying that you know I don't want to you know that that's something I I I've thought about but I don't want to do and say oh great you know that that's that's a good thing that you've actually thought about it but would would like to try something else but. Nevertheless, it is important to bring up that that that sense of a information is definitely something that you may need to give. Okay, I hope I answer that. Okay, we're at 1150 and I know Christopher there is there is a question here. You know I had a smaller part to finish which I will probably take on in the next session which is just the last one is of initiating action which we will do in the next week and Christopher we will I will come back with certain confrontation scenarios also next week as well. Okay, so shall we close may I just request any anybody to just close with a word of prayer. Okay, all right. Yes, go ahead. Go ahead, Harrison. Yes, please, please. All right. How heavily father we thank you and we bless your name. We give you all the glory. We give you all the honor. We give you all the adoration. We give you all the praise for a time like this. We thank you for the word of knowledge. We thank you for the word of wisdom. We thank you God that you give it understanding and you give it to us and you give it to us completely. We want to thank you God for the vessel that you are using to go to impact this knowledge on us. And we thank you God for the heroes. We thank you God that the words we hear will go. Father we should take up this word. They've got a great impact into your kingdom. We are asking Holy Spirit that you will direct us. You will give us the never meant the grace to do exceedingly above all we can ever imagine. We thank you God. I went next ago we gather here who will have a lot of share and all to the glory of your name. We thank you Father even as we depart from here give us the grace to go to take up the word of knowledge and bring growth to an impact into your kingdom. For this I pray to Christ the Lord Jesus. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you Harrison. Thank you everybody. God bless. We meet you next week. Thank you. Thank you Master. Thank you Master. Thank you everyone.