 Good. So let's take on his argument a little bit because, I mean, there is racism in America. You yourself said a number of your students, it's Southern Illinois, your Eastern Illinois were members of the Klan. I didn't even know they were still members of the Klan. And, I mean, Tanny Hill C tells the story of his own life, which is filled seemingly with racism where he is the target of racism. You know, there was a civil rights movement for a reason, right? Because pre-civil rights things were really bad in this country and, of course, there was ultimately slavery. So how do you position your love of America and the love of values and the opportunities and your experiences being black in America with the existential reality that there was a lot of, you know, there was slavery, there was Jim Crow, and there was some racism still around today. How do you take all of that into account in your view of modern America? Because I think there are a couple of things to think about. One is that America is a very progressive, and I don't mean in the way that liberals have co-opted the word progressive. America is a very progressive society. For such a young country, if you look at how far we have come in terms of overcoming sexism and overcoming racism, now we have marital equality in this country. America has at its core, I think, a self-reflexivity clause where we are always a self-questioning society, always looking at the ways in which we can reflect on our flaws and correct our mistakes. And I think that the debt has been paid. I think the debt was paid, whether one, there are people who disagree with the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and I think that there's, however one debates that, I think the debt to black Americans was paid in that act. That is granting them equality before the law, recognizing equal citizenship along with their compatriots. But it went even further than that. It went to the point of making private citizens unable to discriminate against blacks. So I think that the debt has been paid and to ask the state to go any further in outlawing every form of private racism, short of a bloated totalitarian state, that's impossible. But I think also, as a university professor who has been teaching with almost 23 years now, when I look out at America, I see a progressive America that if you are a black man or a black woman, we have a progressive environment in which universities will welcome you with open arms, right? We have progressed beyond a certain pale of racism in this country where to be black is to command an enormous amount of social power. Look at what happened in Starbucks when these two men got arrested and look at the outrage, right? Look at what happened a couple weeks ago. This woman called the police on a black man who's wearing socks in a pool or a black woman who's in a pool and the white woman called the cop on her, they both lose their jobs. I think that Ta-Nehisi Colts actually overstates the position. And I see a progressive America in which race relations have become better. I lived in a deep cell for eight years in predominantly white communities because housing was cheap. And I do not think that I live in a country circle, Mississippi, 1950. Incidentally, the race... So you're not denying the existence of racism in America today. No. I'm saying it is not a barrier to success. And it's something that can and should be overcome and that the state has no further role to play. Well, the state has a role to play when racism is being foisted or being... It is the primary instigator of racism or committing the primary crime against violating individual rights. But I think what we are seeing, which points to the progressivism of America, is that social ostracism, which Iran talked about in her essay on racism in the virtue of selfishness, social ostracism is one way that I think racism is being fought in this country where people are attempting or threatening to boycott Starbucks because of two black men who are sitting there waiting for a white friend, get arrested, they're doing nothing of their own, and progressive Americans. And I don't mean progressive Americans on the left. I just mean people who are possessed of fair-mindedness. Say, if this is the way you're going to treat two innocent black men, but we're not going to buy your coffee anymore. I think if we want a bloated totalitarian state that is going to interfere in the lives of individuals, individuals who have every right to treat their businesses and their private lives as extensions of their living room, then that's not freedom and that's not liberty. And norms and mores have changed in such a way that I don't think anyone can go and put up a colored sign or in a bathroom today in a restaurant and get away with it. The outrage would be so legal. I think the outrage would be unbelievable, even in places in the South. It would be. I think that we have transformed enormously as a society towards fair-mindedness, towards women, towards blacks, and now towards gays. And I think that's a good thing. And I think we should continue to the extent that we do value a philosophy of individualism to continue to promote that sort of ethos. Incidentally, I must say that when I read Tanahisi Kultus' book, Beyond the World, or Between the World and Me, the racism that he experienced primarily was racism directed against him by blacks. Now, there's one incident in which a white woman sort of shoved his son along and said, move along and he made a big deal out of it. But most, most, I read that book very carefully, most of the problems that he experienced during his childhood was with black-on-black crime. And it was with other black men. It wasn't with the police. He didn't have any run-ins with the police. It was a fear that he had of being assaulted by other black men. Now, he explains that as, you know, this is the kind of, you know, social environment within the black community created by racism. I mean, that is explanation, right? Right. Well, you know, my rejoin to that always is coming back to the greatest civilization that I think has ever existed on the face of the earth, which is the Jewish civilization. I don't know of any phenomenon called Jew on Jew crime. And you couldn't point to a civilization that has been more persecuted by states across civilizations, right? By private citizens. And at the same time, we don't have Jewish people forming gangs and killing each other.