 two U.S. Navy sailors are being arrested for apparently selling naval secrets to China, and they both are of Chinese descent. David, this is going viral, and being of Chinese descent ourselves, we have to talk about it. Yeah, man. I mean, from silly to serious, I'm gonna go ahead and put this one in the serious category. A lot of people, a lot of opinions, nobody knows if it's true, if it's not true, if it's half true. Obviously, there's something here, right? Because I'm assuming the military is not gonna trump up these charges for no reason. Yeah, so basically, long story short, David, what happened? Jin Chow Wei, a 22-year-old petty officer second class, was arrested as well as petty officer Wen Heng Zao. They are both accused of selling naval secrets of different types to China, to a Chinese intelligence officer for about $15,000 each. Now they face life in prison, the other one faces up to 20 years. Right, and they have been arrested, they haven't been charged yet, obviously, so we're in the beginning stages of this case. But yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't do it if they didn't have some evidence for it. I guess, David, we're gonna go through, there's just a bunch of different opinions on it. Obviously, a lot of people are questioning, like, hey, these guys are Chinese immigrants, why do they even have security clearance to anything secretive, right? And they're not that highly ranked, but obviously, does this, and this is the big question, does it kind of reflect on other people of Chinese descent that are also in the armed forces? Right, yeah. I mean, make sure you guys like, subscribe, turn on your notifications. I will honestly just say, first off, listen, if you do the crime, you got to do the time. I don't know what they did, but if they're guilty of it, they should go to jail for a very long time, because obviously, as a country, you do not want this. And it does look bad on Chinese Americans as a whole. Obviously, some people are gonna go, no, it doesn't reflect on me, those are just individuals, but other people are gonna be like, let's be honest here, a lot of people are gonna stereotype people, right? Yeah, yeah. And there's gonna be a lot of different reactions to this. Obviously, this feeds into the fear that China has spies in America, obviously. Some sort of a red dawn type movie thing going on, right? Yeah, and there are definitely in a time of war. I mean, there's always spies on each side, but yeah, that's not to say that is okay. I would do want to note and, you know, not to, you know, we're American born, they happen to be both born and raised in China. Right. And they came over here later in life. And I think they even got naturalized through an expedited military program through the Navy, you can like speed your process. Yeah, but regardless, I don't want to like draw that division. I guess, all right, my one joke here is David, they sold the secrets for $15,000. That's not a lot, bro. That's like a pretty good deal. You're saying that it was the lunch special at the Chinese spot. Dude, that's like a quarter of the price, right? Yeah, Chinese again, giving great deals out there for high quality products. How significant is it for ABCs to be like, Oh, dude, you know, like, you know, these guys weren't like an Asian frat or anything, and they're not in the EDM, you know, they're not AZN, BBT, KTV dudes. These guys are more like, you know, on on Garviev, like eating. Listen, the truth is there have been spies in America throughout history that were American spies that there was white spies. Yeah, white American spies. Obviously, now these guys are Chinese born. Could there be Chinese spies could be anybody. So that's what I'm going to say. They could be anybody. But obviously, if you have ties to that country, I guess people are going to make the argument. Yeah, you might have more communication with people from that country, whatever. Some people were saying that the media is especially going to focus on this case, because it's going to get a lot of click through rate, whereas white American spies in the military, for example, are generally going to have it handled internally, and it's not going to turn into this big media push. Because this one feeds into the whole China taking over America thing. My last point before we get into the comment section is that 5% of the American armed forces are actually immigrants. Okay, almost 70,000 foreign born people are serving in the armed forces. So obviously, there are quite a few immigrants in the armed forces. So I don't know. I mean, the relationship with China obviously makes it more complicated. I also want to say that I actually think that people are like not freaking out about this as much as I even thought. I think nowadays, you know, with Trump being accused of removing secret classified documents and Biden doing it to everybody's just like, man, this whole thing is a mess like everybody's leaking everything. Yeah, also, we don't know how secret these things were how like detrimental they are. But obviously, regardless, if you join the armed forces, you should not be doing this type of thing. Don't do this. It is treason. Okay, it is don't do if you feel like just don't do this. Let's get into the comment section. Andrew somebody said, let this be a warning. They are not loyal to the USA. Jen highway. You don't say, huh? I mean, what do you think you think it's true or not that people are going to extrapolate this? I think that some people are and some people are not. I mean, I think to me the conversation from this comment is like some people are like, yo, I hate to say it, but service members of Chinese descent should be under more strict scrutiny before being granted a clearance in the military, especially if they have more ties to China, you know, right? Somebody said, we don't we have to reconsider our background investigation process. Sorry, but first generation Americans should not have access to classified material, especially when their parents are from countries that are deemed unfriendly at the moment. So I guess should there be a distinction between American born and then like foreign born and then if you came here at two years old, then you don't count. But if I'm born here, then I'm good to go than like I'm just like any other man. Like I guess there should be filters on anybody trying to get clearance. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if right now they're probably retooling some things over at the Navy, right? I don't know. I mean, they probably need to take a look at doing something, right? I mean, personally, I feel bad for a lot of the naval officers who have rose the ranks, been great patriots to America, but they are of Chinese descent. And now they're being looked at with a little bit more scrutiny, you know, of a side eye, right? Possibly. But I think it depends like some people are and some people aren't. I feel like nowadays a lot of people look at military service almost like more like a job than they used to. Somebody said, you know, I was stationed on a boat and it was so weird that there was people on our boat that barely spoke English. It kind of makes me wonder how they do the screening. Yeah, so there's a lot of talk about how desperate the armed forces are to recruit people, right? Because a lot of people in 2023 that are American citizens born here do not want to join the military any branch, right? I mean, what David, they're taking people on who are felonies. I think decades before they wouldn't do that. Obviously, there's a lot of people who are not born in this country, right? That are joined in the military, right? Like, you know, and possibly also for the benefits, mostly for the benefits of the military versus like joining it to fight for your country. I do think the American public does not view American military conflicts with the same way that they used to. You mean like in 34 years ago? Because a lot of people are like, we don't know what our government's actual motive is. Is it for oil? Is it for resources? If they tell us it's for this thing, but it's actually for that thing. So I do think that contributes to it too, right? Because they have to lower the screening standards to fill the roster spots. Right. Somebody said capital punishment is not unreasonable in these type of cases. China would do it. Why can't we, huh? And at least discourage it in the future. I mean, I do think that, you know, being in a complex immigrant country like America, Andrew, it does make things a lot more complicated on the back end, right? Yeah. Yeah. I will say this, man, in America is a very interesting place because obviously there's all different types of people here from all different origins. And that is always very interesting. And that's why we do have a lot of the issues in the conversations that we're having right now. Yeah. And I think we need to have discussions because yeah, I think diversity is beautiful, but it is way more difficult. It's way more layered to the. It requires a little bit more management. Right. For sure. Um, somebody was like saying they're just slowly invading everywhere, man. They're all throughout our business and industrial sectors too. Look at the spa balloon. Now we got this guy with the balloon face. Because he went and he had a really round face. I think he was eating too much to ours on Garvey, to be honest. Somebody said there's over 300,000 Chinese foreign students in the US too. And they're all cash customers. So the education institutions love them. This is really where all the real espionage happens. Yeah. But there was actually a lot of cases of Chinese professors being accused of espionage that actually turned out to be untrue. Right. There was. So there's times where you wrongfully accuse people and then there's times where they get arrested and possibly with these two guys that it is true, but we don't actually fully know yet. Right. But there's probably some basis for it. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of cases and it's like when they're white, like a Edward Snowden or like, ah, I forgot the other person who like. There was like an Aims spy. There was Aims Hansen. There's been a ton of things. It's true that it's like when there's white American spies, they're viewed as bad individuals and their families viewed as corrupt to get money to like live a better life because I guess government salaries and are not very high, even if you're out like the FBI or CIA. But obviously, it doesn't reflect on all white people. Well, that's because white people are considered like the most patriotic to America. Right. So they're like, well, just because we accumulated so many points. We could lose. I mean, there's like a white American guy who got like radicalized to like join ISIS before that happened. Right. But that's not going to reflect bad on white people, of course, because the majority of white people you could say are more patriotic. Somebody said who even cares about the USA is an idea anymore. Are we all just mercenaries, but with just different opportunities to be mercenaries? Who cares about this Constitution in 2023? Amen. Who made us all mercenaries? Who made everybody mercenaries? And this guy pointed out this guy said, man, I worked on the Essex as a naval man, too. And our commanding officer, Captain Dusek, was charged in a bribery scandal where he was selling shift movement patterns to independent contractors so they could secure gigantic military contracts. And he ended up going to federal prison. So this was not the captain of the ship selling out to a foreign power, but rather military contractors. Right. So I don't know. Still bad. Yeah, it's still bad. He still went to jail. Maybe not as bad as I guess that's pointing out to the, I guess the money motivated mindset, right? Let's go to get to some Asian comments sections. Somebody said, man, they were just waiting for us to mess up. So instead of calling us these robotic model minorities that are uncool, they could call us spies again. Yeah. You know, I read this really interesting comment that also said, man, you know, a lot of people why they did it at first was for the small paycheck and the probably Chinese intelligence officer promised a larger bribery check down the road as the information got better. However, once that foreign operative knows who you are, they can use that leverage against you as to blackmail you so that you to give you up. Right. That would be very cheap on the Chinese intelligence officer side too, because they're like, nah, I already gave you 15,000. You want another 15? How much does food really cost on Garvey? Somebody said, you know, I'm in the US military right now, even though this case happened, I don't feel any shift in tone towards me by my fellow officers. Okay, that's good. That's good. That's good to hear. Obviously, I think he's proven himself, the people around him. I don't know what the higher ups think. Again, within the military, David, it's true that we see this headline, but we don't know how big of a deal this is to the military. We understand it is a big deal to the media. Obviously, it's a big deal. But I'm saying like, does that make every Chinese person more scrutinized in the armed forces? I don't know. Let us know in the comments section below, guys, you know, we're a little bit outside of that world pretty removed from that fishbowl. So I don't really have a good read on it. Somebody said, all Chinese Americans should stand up and demand that they get harshly punished. In that way, we we can counter the racism and stereotypes against us. And I was like, yeah, maybe if this was like World War Two, like people would need to turn on the Harada's, who helped that like down like Pearl Harbor Japanese pilot. This whole incident on this island and called Ni Hao, I sort of got the islands called Ni Hao in Hawaii. Anyway, guys, look that up. But somebody said, what about white spies that were way higher up in the hierarchy that directly led to other deaths? What what do people think about all the white spies? Because I guess there's a long history, Andrew, of people selling out the spies that are in Russia that are for the American side for a bunch of money. And then those spies got killed. Right, right, right. Because like a place like Russia or even China would definitely execute the spies. Yeah, to be honest, they would. And somebody said they need a ton of Chinese immigrants to run the military tech just like Silicon Valley does. A lot of Americans do not want to do those type of jobs nowadays because it's too much math and lab work. So they were saying that you cannot avoid having Chinese run the computer systems. Well, what a conundrum. You need the Chinese brains for your capitalistic society. But then you distrust them. So here's the thing about being Chinese, man, we're always perpetual foreigners. But then people want to like align us with white people sometimes. But then we're also the enemy. I feel like in the streets, people feel like we're white adjacent. But then when we are in more like higher level geopolitical facing things, then you're almost like the most mistrusted. Yeah, but then we're also not counted as full minorities. Yeah, I don't know guys. It's so confusing being Asian, man. No, I think it's really confusing being like Chinese specifically to be honest. Yeah, anyway, let's just get into our takeaways. You know, like I said, it's not like an easy thing I think for a lot of Chinese Americans to to sink their teeth into because nobody really knows they're like, OK, did this reflect on the group? Does it not? This is like almost one of the first times because you're almost more used to seeing the cases where they falsely accused somebody than then potentially this one where it looks like they are guilty. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would I guess I'm actually interested in hearing there are reasonings for selling the secrets. Like if I could sit down with them and I would ask them, I'd be like, bro, do you risk your life for 15k? That's not that much money to risk your life, especially if you join the military and you make that oath. Like when like we know a lot of people not in the military like don't join the military and commit treason because I was reading about the FBI and CIA like white Americans that flipped to join the Soviet Union. They got paid the equivalent of the US like 15 million. Yeah. Like they got they got paid a lot, but I guess like what what about America made you feel like you wanted to turn your back on America. Do you feel disenfranchised? Do you feel left out or do you like were you just still stuck in the old mindset or were they and some people accused them of always being spies? The second they landed in America at the age of 1415, they were already indoctrinated. Well, I was reading something that's saying that like people who don't feel very important, they're like, if you just make them feel important, they feel like no, I mean, I don't know man. It happens with industries to like companies like people who sell or are whistleblowers for companies against you. I think that the US is probably going to come down pretty harsh on them to prevent this future thing in the future. Like I don't know exactly. Let's just say out of 10 levels, they had access to like rung number one or rung number two in terms of like high tier information, but they'd rather make an example out of those guys that are given away that low tier information than risk somebody in the future given away like eight out of 10 level info. Right. Yeah. So, um, do I feel bad for all the other Chinese guys with like, especially with Chinese names in the US military? Yeah, if it impacts them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, think about it, even you could be of Taiwanese descent, which is obviously a different nationality and different identity. And then you could be in the military and I don't know. I mean, I think it depends. I think that, you know, maybe within, I don't know how it works. You guys let me know if you're from the military, let me know if it's possible that a lot of other Chinese guys in the armed forces are feeling the heat right now, uh, wrongfully, you know, because of this or maybe this, maybe people in the, in the military are smart enough to be like, no, that's the individuals. We got to just vet people better. I kind of have a feeling in 2023. I don't know. You guys correct me if I'm wrong that more and more people are kind of like treating the military just like a job and a way to get them out of their circumstances. Yeah, it's possible. So I mean, I think that that changes it too, right? Because not everybody's like, they're just kind of just treating it like a company. Yeah, it would be even bigger news if these guys like graduated from West Point, you know, like the Naval Academy. Yeah. Like, that's like the Harvard of the Navy, you know, for sure. It'd be a way bigger deal. Yeah. I think, I think my last thing is like, man, to be Chinese and be considered patriotic is so hard because like, I feel like I'm patriotic to America in ways, you know, I, I don't do anything bad to America. I pay our taxes. We're safe. You know, we help people out. We create content. We're speaking English when we're creating our contents for the English American market. Right. I feel patriotic, but then like, people are still going to look at me and be like, oh, like, you guys aren't patriotic enough. And especially look at these guys, more of you guys who are from the St. Gabriel Valley, eating food on Valley Boulevard and Garvey Ave. Y'all ain't never seen a slice of Americana left in your, in your, you guys eat dumplings five days out of the week and beef noodle soup like three days of the week. And you guys aren't American. And I'm like, man, we can never be patriotic enough. Obviously, these guys listen, these guys committed treason. I'm saying, so I'm not comparing them to me. I'm just saying as I'm just like, it just made me think about it. No, for sure. For sure. It's interesting. Let us know what you guys think of the comment section below. Keep it civil. Until next time with the hop hop boys, we out. Peace.