 Alrighty, it's 530. I'll call the meeting in order. I'll start it with roll call. Alderini, here. Alderust, present. Alderheidemann, here. Altavetker is here. Alder Salazar is excused. We'll start with pledge of allegiance. Pledge of allegiance to the light of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, one God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Alrighty, I think we can spell the vote of other people here so we can do a quick introduction. I'm Alderust D. Decker, chair of the committee, and I'll first look at district 6. Joe Heidemann, district 10, the home of Indian Mount Park. Zachary, district 8, vice chair. I'm Angela Raimi, district 5. Leslie Jarrah, assistant city attorney. I'm listening to all your public remarks. Joe Heidemann, district 10, the Department of Public Works. Assembly of the Department of Public Works, thanks. Chris and Sanchez, with great, we're working with the city and the Conference of Auditors. Okay. Joe Kerlin, Department of Public Works. Colson's Park is Cleveland. Ooh! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Reinside's Department of Public Works. Stacy Westleger, Department of Public Works. Heather Burke, Department of Public Works. David Riebel, Public Works Department. All right. We'll start out with number five, Approval of Minutes from August 29th, 2023. I move to approve. Second. We'll make a second then. Any discussion on those minutes? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Chair on the one side, those are approved. Okay, number six, General Ordnance, number 19, 23, 24, September 5th, 2023. In Ordnance, creating a two-way stop requiring Northbound and Salt One Faction on North 18th Street is North 18th Street. Yeah, this is the intersection of North 18th Street in Cambridge Avenue that Heather has up here. Our office received several phone calls and the reason we received phone calls is because this intersection is uncontrolled. Therefore, for some reason, there's no stop sign to remember wherever it's called, it's intersection. And since I've been here, it has maybe happened a half dozen times in these older neighborhoods. I said, just the stop sign is never involved. No, we're not gonna put up a four-way stop. You don't wanna do that. But to make the intersection safer, so someone's stop sign is uncontrolled, you should make this a two-way stop and it should be put on 18th Street because that's the minor street. Less people are gonna be inconvenienced from the stop sign on 18th. So that's how this all came about. I said, it's probably happened a half dozen times since I've been here. It's always in these older neighborhoods. It's just, no one's ever, yeah, I just had a couple phone calls on it and you go out there and boom, boom, the original stop sign is there. So that's why it's always been our policy to try to take care of the uncontrolled intersection. But it's not a four-way stop. That's a whole other thing. I'm gonna go, Kendra. Thank you. Does it warrant a stop sign or a yield sign? I live in Wildwood, so we just had a stop sign put in maybe a couple of years ago that should definitely be a yield sign because trust me, no one's stopping anyway. And so I'm just curious. The yield signs I think are from our department is they're good like on roundabouts because you really get around a lot of times you don't want to stop, you want to yield but you can see all the way around you. Something like this where you got site distance issues. For instance, in these older neighborhoods, a lot of homes are built really close to the sidewalk where you don't get all these big setbacks. You have a newer subdivision, so you got trees. Granted, there's no site distance on the, I guess that'd be the east side of the road but you want a stop sign. You want to put a stop bar or a stop sign. It's just a cleanest way to do it. But yield signs do have their place, so roundabouts especially. Don't have a question with Heather, yeah. Oh, okay, all right. Then I guess I'll come on. Go, go, go. Second. Maybe second. The other discussion, all in favor? Aye. The post. The chair votes aye. That is approved. All right. Seven, solution number 51, 23, 24, September 5th, 2023. Resolution authorizing the appropriates to the officials to enter into a contract with JT Engineering for design services related to the State Highway 23 and Taylor Drive intersection. Let's see if it would just be down here a little bit. Right. Here we go. This is the intersection of Taylor Drive and State Highway 23. A lot of people call it Erie Avenue, Colm Memorial Drive. But State Highway 23, this section of Colm Memorial Drive is considered a connecting highway. And the DOT has a program. It's called the Signals and ITS Stand-alone Program. So in other words, what they'll do at the two interchanges there and also down on the bottom, the signals are extremely old, so you apply it to the DOT program. We signed an SMA with them a couple of years ago to replace the hardware and do some minor curb work with the DOT. The DOT has this program, but it's got to be part of their system, which it is. We did the same thing a couple of years ago over at Union and Self-Business is considered a connecting highway. Or the DOT will upgrade all the hardware. A lot of this stuff is probably from the 80s or early 90s to hardware and they come out and look at it. They realize this stuff's got to be replaced. So with this program, the city basically, you have to, the city has to hire a designer to see exactly what you all need to upgrade with a camera system and also for the installation. With this program, the city has to pay the money off for the design work and the construction. But then when it's all said and done, we get reversed 90%, but with the program though, the city's got to pay the money off. It's a good program. We're going to use it. Donald Washington Avenue and Salt Business Drive. I know whenever this comes about, David and I, we always try to chase these programs out under 30, they're really good. So what they'll do is these signals, as you see, these call their trombone arms. That's the older standard. You'll have actually a structure that will go across the vertical signals over both lanes now as you see in some of the work intersections. But again, it has to be a connecting highway. So, but the first thing you have to do is you have to get a design done, which that's what this is for. This is strictly for the design contract. And then the construction contract, they'll come like next spring. This is all scheduled to be completed by the end of 2024. And can we get the state pay or something? I'm all for it. Yeah, that's what we needed. It's got the loop system where the loops are underneath the concrete and it's picked up magnetically. What cards are there? Nowadays, you want a camera system. So much more efficient, just to act a lot better system. And they realize that. Maybe you can drive from motorcycle. That's really not, pardon me. Well, a lot of times in these old systems, these old loops, if they don't want to pick them up. Yeah, I understand. Or if you go in there and you adjust the loops, they'll pick up everything. You don't want that either. So you just want to get rid of that stuff. Discussion on this? I have a question. So is this the design you're talking about? Is it just for lights? Or is it every changing street at all? Maybe a little bit of curving, but it's mostly meant for hardware. Maybe a little bit of curving, but they won't touch like sidewalk on it. It really isn't meant for a whole heck of a lot of pedestrians meant for movement. Yeah, but there are some pedestrians there. Yeah, but what they'll do, what they'll do is they'll go from the best. They'll come back and do sidewalks for me. Yeah. Buttons and stuff, but if that's hot, that'll be part of the design. We won't be going to use some of the infrastructure. Yeah. For most of that, I guess I move to approve the resolution. Okay. And the discussion. All right, all in favor? I move forward. To the both sides, that is approved. Okay, number eight. Resolution number 52, 23, 24, September 5th, 2023. Your resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute a lease agreement with Lake Shore Regional Child Advocacy Center for long-term use of a portion of the Apatron Social Senior Center, Community Center, building located at 1817 North 8th, or 8th Street as a branch location. Mr. Chancellor. It's Assistant City Attorney Liz. It's here. She worked on the agreement to help. But I'm just, this, I'm going to pass this around. This is at the Sheboygan Senior Center, Apatron Social. What you see in the blue, if you pass that around. Okay. Is the space that they're talking about. We see. So it goes in this direction. Okay, okay. So it's like, we call it like a gray space, vacant space that wasn't built out at the Sheboygan, Apatron Social. It's proposed to being built into there. That's what this is. We discussed correct. So the Child Advocacy Center is in need of space. Given that the city used HUD allocation dollars, they were very specific in terms of any type of secondary uses. The CAC meets all of those requirements that's been vetted through HUD. And we think it's a, you know, a win-win. It serves a great need with their organization. And they're going to invest in the building by building out this vacant space that we have. And in terms of the lease. Pretty straightforward lease. It's not a profit driving lease. It's really just a public service lease. Currently Lakeshore CAC is utilizing a small space within the police department building. It's inadequate for their needs. This space is on the bus route. So provides ready access for individuals who don't have private transportation. There's no apparent conflict of use because they could have a separate entrance and exit. Parking is maybe going to be an issue, but we're not anticipating it as much because we really see the driving, the increase of vehicles being related to staff rather than client health. This isn't going to be a high traffic area. The use with the developed use within side is going to be office space, late examination areas for interviews, things like that. So it's compatible with the building's design. And the lease agreement, I believe, I want to say it was like a dollar a year or something very minimal, which was something that we had approached council with several months ago, just to gauge appetite. And everybody's really excited about this project. So we're hopeful that we will move forward on it. Because I'll start with my question and I'll get you. My one question, the utilities, I don't remember, I know Emily was talking with that last minute, but with hers. So as the utilities, are we totally, are these going to be paid somewhat, ours is totally on us, the utilities? So we've talked about combining the utilities because of common infrastructure. There wouldn't be separate water service or electrical service or internet service like that. But we don't expect much increase in use of the utilities. It would be nominal increase, lighting and things like that. They would have their own internet service. Correct. And if they make any modifications to their part of the building that impacts the existing utilities, DPW would sign off on all of that before anything is done. We're heating the space currently. Okay. Not to the high standard, fully occupied, but clearly due because the utilities and water lines and such has to be maintained, but this will be a fully built out, insulated area, sound proof, they want to make sure it's separated. So again, I would agree that we were talking in terms of utility increases, it would be very minimal. Okay. Joe, at our last seniors meeting, again, it was very positive. All the members on that board said they wanted to do that. It was just noticing that nobody objected. They thought it was a very positive thing for the community. Yeah, I was going to ask what they thought. So that's awesome to hear. And I just want to say I was looking into it today and I think it's just a great idea. Just, it's so, so needed. And I think it's a really great spot too. So I think it's wonderful. Motion to approve. Second. Seconded. Any other discussion? All in favor? Aye. Both chair votes aye. That is approved. Okay. And that is out to the by-by-by, okay. Number nine. Yeah. General Ordinance, summer 21, 23, 24, September 5th, 2023. Ordinance correcting various provisions of the shlugging in this municipal code so that they conform to ordinance number 14, 23, 24 on August 7th, 2023. This is just a housekeeping ordinance with every big ordinance revision. There's always little things that you notice after the fact. So this just buttons that up. Questions or discussions on that as well? Motion. Aye. Move to approve the ordinance. Second. Motion is made to seconded. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye. That is approved. Okay. Now we're coming to the big one. Number 10. Resolution number 36, 23, 24, August 7th, 2023. A resolution adopting the city of Shibuya in comprehensive out-door recreation plan. Cool. A big one, but there's something we all love. Come on. We enjoy talking about parks, right? So just a quick background. Comprehensive out-door recreation plan is basically a five-year plan that most cities should have. And for the reason, we use it as a guide for developing our parks, for preserving our parks, for do we need more parks? We use it for a maintenance guide. We use it in a lot of different ways. We use it to find out what people are thinking, what the community needs. We also use it to endpoint our current natural resources and our needs of that. So that was a big part of this one this time. And I'll explain why in a minute. And then another large part of a five-year plan that's adopted by the council is that you can go out and go out for federal and state grants and have the eligibility to receive those grants. The big reason we really put a lot into the natural resources this time is we did receive a $25,000 grant from Wisconsin Coastal Management, their coastal grant program. So, and then it kind of hit at the right time with the rising of the lake and seeing the destruction along the lake shore. And it was just kind of all at the right time of, hey, we need to include more of this in there. So, with receiving the grant and the city was, it's a 50-50 matching, so match that grant, we went out and we just finished up working with Grave at JC Quarry Park, a large master plan and we liked working with Grave. So that's where Kristen Sanchez here, she's gonna be doing the most of talking, I'll be done in a second, but we hired them to go through this process. And the reason we did that this time is, oh, three plans ago, it was hired out using consultant, and that's great. We have a large city and I think we need that. After that, the planning department and myself did the last one and that was good. We were able to kind of really use what we did, the consultants did before that. And we really, it was a goal of David's and ours too, mine too, to go out and use a consultant again. So that's what we did. And again, Kristen, she's gonna run us through a PowerPoint, I did hand out the sheets for everybody. It is a large document, but I think this sums it up pretty good and go questions as we go along. So Kristen, if you wanna pass up at the table. Thanks for having me here today. I did bring one hard copy of the plan and the appendix. Was that all, was that included in the packet, the actual plan itself or just the PowerPoint? We had a couple of, if people need to look at it, I have another one here too if someone wants it. We can refer to it if needed as we go. The PowerPoint is pretty succinct at this giving you an overview of the process and the product. So a comprehensive outdoor recreation plan looks at all of the municipal facilities, all of the park facilities in the city. You have 715 acres of parkland in the community, which is a really great number of your parks. So you have 44 municipal parks that were part of this plan. Half are on waterfront, which is pretty amazing that you have that resource. Of course, Lake Michigan Shoreline is amazing, beautiful resource, but you also have parks that are on the Pigeon River and on the Sheboygan River. And so all total, it's about half on waterfront and half that we're calling inland, just not on water in your park system. So how do we go about getting from the very beginning to this document? And this is the process, the workflow of it. So we start at the beginning of what we call discovery, but it's really data collection, but it's also going out and talking to, visiting the parks, talking to people, understand kind of what is here, what assets and amenities are here. Then we go out and did public engagement. So we did multiple public open houses. We also had like, we had an online project website. So we have, there were, there's a survey and a mapping module where people could drag and drop icons and actually leave a comment like we'd love this park or this needs improvement here. So we had that module that was open as well as other newsletters posters, flyers, things like that were posted throughout the community. Then the next thing is, okay, we understand from an inventory standpoint what's here, we've gone out and talked to the public and we understand kind of what people want and need to think. And then we go and we use a resource called the National Recreation and Park Association, NRPA, and to conduct what's called needs analysis. So it's done a little bit differently now compared to the last time that you guys did a plan and corpus conference about the recreation plan. So love acronyms. So it used to be that they had these standards. So like these ratios. So every community needs to have X amount of park per person and X number of acres of park. It really went away from that in the last few years. And it's done with comparable communities or peer communities analysis. So really the needs analysis is very customized to each individual community. There's not a one size fits all for park systems. And so we looked at communities that were similar, right? So kind of same size, same number of parks. And we looked at the kinds of amenities that they had in their system. And then kind of did some analysis towards what's existing in Sheboygan and if there is any room for improvement. So is there any place where other comparable communities have a lot of facilities and maybe we lack some facilities. It's just a gauge for us to see as you improve your parks what facilities might be needed compared to other communities that are similar to us, to Sheboygan. So all of that information goes into the middle square which is creating that vision. Where do we wanna be? Now this is a five year document. So these aren't 20, 30 year documents necessarily but this is a time we advocate when we do these is that we're creating a vision plan, right? So we're creating a five year implementation plan but really looking at where we wanna be. Big picture with the park district and what are the kinds of things we wanna do now to set ourselves up for success. So that rolls into a series of recommendations and then we build the actual plan document, 200 pages of greatness. So the engagement. We had a really, we had almost 550 survey responses. You can see I mentioned that drag and drop love this park needs improvement. This is a screenshot of that engagement. You can see we got loads of information and feedback from the community about things. Plus we did the survey. So all in, we got a really good kind of snapshot of what people thought from the community. So overall, people love the park system. You guys are doing a lot of things, right? They think the parks are well maintained. They have access to parks. There's nice facilities in the park. There's a few things that came out in the engagement and really it was about trails and connectivity and added trails and paths within the community not just within the park but connecting things together came out and access to the waterfront. Those were like protect and improve access to the waterfront. Those are some of the key things that we heard. So we talked about this question park initiatives and you can see the top vote getting is maintain the existing beautiful parks that we have. There is, we'll get to some of the metrics but there is robust amount of parks and park acreage in the city. So you're not lacking in terms of adding new parks unless population density grows and changes, right? Where like there's more people living in an area where there weren't before maybe through redevelopment or growth in kind of the edges of the community where new subdivisions are built. So, but the number two expand and improve the trail and path system. So that came up again and again in the comments and in the survey questions. So what I found really interesting is when they asked about parks and amenities, oftentimes we hear lots of things about tennis courts or basketball courts or things like that. Your number one is ice skating. And of your top three, two of them are winter activities, sledding and ice skating. And it's really important to think about all seasons. So that gets into kind of the vision framework when you think about what are the goals of the park system. It's really thinking about all seasons and not just the summer ones. When we like to use our parks in the outdoor, if you know the summer, we wanna think year round. So overall, over half of the respondents satisfied with the amount of sports and rack facilities in the parks. And we'll see this like people are very happy with the park system overall. So availability of park shelters and rentals and the connections between places and parks. People are generally very, you know, 53, 54% are happy and satisfied with those elements in the park system. So the document itself, like putting the documents together. So I have a copy here. This is actually in two pieces. It's in, when it was given to you, it's actually one big PDF, but we have, this is the main document and that's from here up. So what's included in that piece is which is just kind of sets the stage and introduction. Then we go in and document all of the discovery and engagement that we did, what the community said. We go and look at the peer communities, like I said, and explain kind of what some other communities are doing and what is the actual inventory that's in the city, the parks, the facilities and amenities within each of the parks. From that, we create the vision. Then we go in and explain like, what are these opportunities in each of the parks and where are the goals and objectives to get there? We have a special section, physical characteristics in the Shorigans Waterfront that is specifically looking at access to the waterfront and water quality and a lot of the sustainability and environmental elements of the waterfront parks specifically. So 22 of your parks that are on the water. So this chapter focuses in on those. And then the final chapter is implementation and funding. So it outlines what the capital improvement projects that are slated for the next five years, but it also has an action plan matrix. So it takes some of these things that we saw as opportunities, puts it into kind of a checklist action plan so that as additional funds or grants become available that you have a plan of action of things that you can also accomplish over the next few years. That's about 100 pages. And then the Appendix is about 100 pages. So the 200 pages overall, but you have 44 parks. The Appendix has double page spreads of each of your parks. So a map, an aerial map on one side and then some data and information on the other side. That is what the Appendix is. So 44 pages times, 44 parks times two is 88 pages. And then there's some orientation maps at the beginning for all of your parks and your waterfront parks. That explains the document. I know it's a big document, it's a lot of pages. So when we look at the inventory, this is kind of what I got up earlier, looked at it too earlier, is the inventory itself. So your metrics. So these are some of the top metrics that NARPA looks at and that is how many acres per resident, number of residents per park. So acres of parks per resident you want to be tried, numbers of residents per park you want to be low, you don't want to share your parks with a lot of people, right? And the number of acres per park, how bigger parks, Sheboygan, Meets or exceeds all of those, compared to other comparable communities, according to the data that's collected by the NARPA. Just a quick question. Are you comparing these, this park system to other communities that are on the lake or anybody with 12 Wisconsin? So we're looking nationally actually. So we're looking at communities across the country that are similar in size population and have similar size park systems. And comparing all of the, these metrics, plus some of the amenities and facilities to see how Sheboygan compares. It seems like you did pretty well. It seems like what? We did pretty well. You did great. Yeah. So this is a little bit kind of deeper dive into some of the facilities and amenities. So overall people are pretty satisfied. We saw the engagement. So this is a look at, and again, this needs to be customized for each community. This is just data and how you've implemented or what's meaningful to you as a community is what's important. But this can be helpful. So anything highlighted in blue is somewhere where you're comparable or peer communities that we looked at have more facilities kind of based on it's a ratio for population. So it's adjusted for population. So those, the blue numbers are the ones where Sheboygan has fewer. So for example, basketball courts, our couple of communities adjusted for the size of Sheboygan was just under 50,000 people would have 7.7, which I realize is a 0.7 because it's a ratio, it's a number. So it's just, you know, 7.7 basketball courts. You have six and a half. So you're shy about one, right? Is that a lot? Not really, but it's just highlighted here. Maybe you could use another couple of half courts somewhere when the opportunity rises. Ice rinks, other communities have 3.6, no outdoor ice rinks in Sheboygan. So you see that one, soccer fields. And then I think the racket courts are one that you see that's pretty out of kilter compared to some of the comparable communities. You really have more of the multi-purpose, the ones that are combined, pickleball and tennis. So average communities have like 3.7, those you have six of those. So you're up on the up, but overall just plain tennis courts. Another community might have 10. Right now there's zero that are usable or in use in the community. And pickleball is just a little shy. That pickleball is very popular. They're being built everywhere. And then a comparable community might have a dedicated team center. And so that's something of note also. So again, as you look to expand the existing facilities inside or develop or add, this could be a guide to use to say, what are some of the things that we may need more of? So that our tennis courts, we have six of them are all painted for pickleball. That's why they're in a different category. So it's a little, it goes a little out there. Does that also include the schools, tennis courts? This does not include the schools. So there's other things available. This is something. And that would like their soccer fields and things like that too. So these would be facilities that would be open and accessible to the public versus, so we do look at the schools. So they're included in the plan. We understand where they're located and some of the facilities that they have and they do all the programming, right? So that's part of the plan. But really the plan is focused on how you all as a community want to spend or allocate your resources and dollars for the things that you own in control, essentially. That's the focus of the plan. But yes, there are more things than other at the schools also. One of the difficulties when, yes, they have the facilities, but they're not available at all hours that our park system is available during the day. So like this, during the daytime, you can't go to the school district and play tennis as an adult. When school's in session and some of that kind of stuff. And there's other restrictions with the school district that also factor in some of these dinners. Okay, we've got younger children and you can't just get to the playgrounds and the school systems, you have to have new things on. So all of that information, the inventory, comparing us to some other communities and getting engaged for that. And then the engagement all together kind of comes together to create this vision. So we organized the recommendations into these four categories. First, and we heard this again and again in the engagement is about trail sidewalks and connection. So it's really important. We see this in communities all over. This isn't unique to hear this, but it did rank really high in the engagement that this was really important when asked as part of the survey and the engagement. All season amenities. So really thinking about year round activities in the parks, inclusivity and community. So one of the things that we want to be mindful of when we're developing park space and open space in our communities is that it's meant for everyone. So whether we have there's a saying that whether you're eight or 80, there's a place for you in our parks. And so really thinking about this in terms of age, ability and what kind of amenities and activities are in the park system. And then finally, facilities, maintenance and management. So there was a high desire for the people felt the parks were high quality and wanted to maintain that high quality of the parks. So not going to go through any of these, I will say. These are, I was going to mark the page and then when I got up, I lost my page where they are starting on page 58 is where you'll find all of these goals and objectives listed throughout the document. But it raised on those four categories into very specific things and then action steps that can be taken in order to fulfill those goals and the vision. So the facilities, trails and connections and actually there's a map in the document that highlights some key areas for consideration where future trails and connections can be made. Thinking about all season amenities, inclusivity and environmental and water quality, which there's a whole chapter, chapter four that's dedicated to that in the document. So the waterfront itself, I've mentioned, you know, 22 year 40s of parks are on the water which is really impressive and there's quite a bit of diversity in terms of the types of spaces that are on your waterfront and including just access to the water views and also just kind of biodiversity and different environments to experience in the city which I think is pretty wonderful. So the water recommendations which are in chapter four of this document here, let's get to the page so that I can tell you where it is. 66 and 67, this is chapter four. This is a big chapter in there and it has a lot of the goals and objectives for water quality and sustainability. So really improving access, thinking about resilience for fluctuations in water levels and the biodiversity and habitat along the water's edge, protecting the water quality and just enhancing the ecosystem. So in this chapter, you'll see as part of it is a really checklist of sorts which is meant to aid in the discussion of future development in any parks that are on the water. So thinking about things like paving and types of paving, plantings and types of plantings, what kind of active uses would be there and kind of water and that water's edge, how to treat that and the kinds of things that can be done in order to improve water quality within the parks that are on the waterfront. Improve and protect, they should say both protect it as it is and improve it in the future. So as you review park projects and park development projects where you're putting in new facilities, anything that's on the water, you can use this checklist to go and guide some of your decision-making going forward. So in the final section of the document is funding and implementation. So in that, we have a capital improvement plan which has projects over the next five years that are already part of the public work budget but also an action plan. Again, that's a checklist that has some additional things that can be done as well as some funding sources and grants that can be used for the future. So that is the plan. Do you want to engage us in a nutshell? All righty, and we'll have questions, comments, anything? You know, I used to look back on that. When we do a development, it used to be when somebody put a subdivision in, they used to have that so much area for a park or money to, is that still there? Is that because that's not, when I hear about some of the development that's going on, I don't hear what, and then they're going to put X amount of dollar into the park system. So what we've done is part of a subdivision plan. We look at the size of the subdivision, look at the area. We look at areas that are conducive to potential park area. But we also, if you recall, we have now a park impact fee that we charge. So any type of residential development, we collect the fee per housing unit. So if it's a multi-family, we're getting every unit, it pays into the park impact fee. Same with the condos, that. Exactly. Very good. So that builds up a fund to help develop new amenities or new parks. In fact, I think the most recent one is that the Romer, if not Romer, Warner subdivision, Stolbrook, it's called Stolbrook, right between Menning Road and Self Business Drive. There's a small neighborhood park that's going to be, it's platted, it's part of the subdivision. And in fact, in the capital plan, as you'll see when we start talking about capital improvements, there's an update to put a playground and develop that. Because I know that was a system. Then you ended up with a lot of small parks. And then the community said, we don't want a lot of little parks. Let's get that money and either reinvest it into the parks that we have or develop larger parks. So it's a balance. So you want to still have neighborhoods with the neighborhood walkability and you don't want necessarily people driving to a neighborhood park and utilizing. But you also want more regional, larger for larger groups and larger activities. So there's, yeah. The money's still coming. And it's all part of the plan. Identifies those different types of uses and sizes of parks. Was there any discussion in all of this about splash pads or pools or things like that? Because I know that those are really nice amenities. Is that considered, was that brought up in any of the feedback from the community? So as pools on that list, did it rank at all? It's not, don't. Yeah. So with three plans, you have two now and a third one planned, right? So, yeah, we two weeks old that Cleveland Park is now getting us by that. I approve. Get your dog in there and wash it off. Oh, that's amazing. Two weeks at that contract community for you guys to. Exciting. Okay. Great, great, great. I will say there was, at our three meetings, our community meetings, there was probably two that I remember for sure. People talking to us about pools. Yeah. And I mean, we had a good discussion and I think they understand that the pools are very, very expensive. And then you have to run them and you have the operation. And where the city I think made a commitment to start going towards splash pads and we still like to get one in. Cleveland's this year still, probably open ground opening next year. And then I think the next one would be pig for Veterans Park. Great. And then Kiwanis is actually on the master plan. Probably a rather larger one. Yeah. Great. What about accessibility for the handicap for the lay front? I know we didn't have something put in. Is that also, are there gonna be more areas like that? Is that in the, is that in the capital? Or is that, is that, would that be something also that would drive our marks way up? Because it's, it's become more diverse to be able to get to that lay front. Well, you're, I mean, your marks would go up in terms of accessibility, inclusivity and the access to the parks. There is money in the capital improvement plan currently for ADA accessibility. That's in the overall plan. That's in the, that's in the plan. In terms of waterfront though, I'm not sure that it's waterfront specific. More just not, yeah. Probably not waterfront specific, but just to get all our parks up to handicap accessibility where they, where they should be. So, and that's, there's quite a bit of money set aside each year, all, every other year in the capital, but as long as it gets approved every other year, to gold specifically towards handicap accessibility. If you, we, you know, we, we did the Moby mat for the handicap accessibility on Long Beach. We would probably like to put one in King Park next. Right, that's what. That wouldn't be a capital that we could, you know, factor that in our regular operating budget as a amenity. But yeah, as Joe has mentioned, and we have an ADA accessibility plan for the city and parks are a large components of that. And it's a multi-year plan where just the bathrooms need to be upgraded. Our thresholds are just pathways. How do we, I know with the most recent one, we did quite a bit of improvements at Valrath Park for accessibility around the playground and some of that. So I think you're going to, it's a constant need and we're trying to address it as we can, yes. So everyone wants an ice skating rink. What do you mean? Yeah. We need winter to come back. Because well, and, and, and I would think you would need to almost have a, well, we'd, that would be ultimate yet. Right, is to have, you know, to have the liner system as well as probably, you know, refrigeration. If we're really seriously going to have a nice public area that is going to be maintained. I've dealt a lot with outdoor ice skating rinks. And, and since I've been here, it's just you, I would guess maybe you'd get a few weeks of good skating, but every time it warms up, bubbles up and you got to basically start over. What about that fake ice stuff, like, like a plastic? Yeah, I haven't checked much into that yet, but, but Dean said, I would say you start with picking one spot. It's expensive. I really looked into it a couple of years ago and you put in a chilling system and a cooler right over. I can't describe where it is over by the, those, uh, Kohler has one, you know. And the Kohler company in my way 23, it's private. But it's private, right? It's small, it's, yes. Yeah, you got to pay to get in there. I mean, Sheboygan Falls has two, I believe, that are open to the public and free for use. And no chiller system. So the fact that, when are they usable? I really, it really depends. And even us being a little closer to the lake is going to make things worse. We're full of water, trying to keep it cold. There should be a community day then at the ice skating rink or something to make it accessible for. They do have public access at, at the blue line as part of their lease. They do charge a fee. But that's what I'm saying. It's not very accessible for a family of four. Right, so I made it, you know, and that's something in terms of if, if it's really, you know, it's something to be, I guess, discussed about subsidizing that or whatever. Different time, but yeah, right. That might satisfy some of that, you know, because it is that if you think of ice skating back, and you know, it was just what, what it's free and it's anyone can do it and all that, we don't have that. So yeah, something to think about. That's not a snowing. That's true. But if we did the inside thing, if we did the, if the inside place. I know blue line is very popular on those open skate nights. And again, you know, you're right about affordability and how can that be? How can partnership be maximized to have better access? A large benefactor to, well, I, the reason I was bringing it up is because that's when I was speaking to an altar person from Nina. He said that they have a, or because the Bergstrom family donated for the whole entire thing. You know, we would find someone like that. Maybe that's something, maybe you could approach something like an acuity or something like that. I guess we have to look at those kind of, I think avenues, I think as a city or self, I don't think we can afford to do it a little bit more than what we can find a benefactor to do it, it would be the way to go. It's great. Wow, this is great. I just wanna say, I'm very impressed with this whole study. I think this is really, I think this is really gonna be helpful. I think also does this also help with getting grants and things like that. This is, you know, having this plan, it helps bring, you know, so that we can get grants to get things that we can't necessarily always afford as a city or self, so that we can get some of these things to help pay for, you know, these spotch pads, things like that. I know that's, you know, Joe's got a lot of plans for Kiwanis. We've opened, you know, and a lot of plans for JC and see if we would like to see those parks, give you those things so, you know, to get those grants, to get those things bought, we need to get those grants. Yeah, this makes us eligible. There are certain things that state, those state and federal grants won't pay for like music playgrounds, but that's unfortunately, they'll pay for restrooms, parking. So there's a lot, they will, pathways. So there's a lot in here that we can start reaching out and trying to get some grant money for. And this is good news. Like this is like a really, like we scored really high on something. And that's exciting. I think DPW should look at maybe working with someone to put together some sort of social media. Like let's sing these praises when we have these really good, good reports. And yeah, this is great. Congratulations. So anyway, we also have any comments. And I guess we are looking for a motion for this then. I'm worth it. Truth-threating we should. Second. Okay. Okay. Then we also, we have some cleanup. Liz give us some cleanup for. So this is a two part cleanup. The first relates to language in the original resolution which is suggesting that the language be modified from, we had misstated that the 2016 plan was the first one and wasn't. So we're just cleaning that up. And then the second change is to remove or reject the first draft that was referred to the committee from council and instead to accept the current draft that is on today's agenda. Ideally both would be on the agenda. We just have the final one. So I've provided Alder Decker with language for that. Okay. So I'll read it and then you guys can then make the motion I guess to amend the resolution to modify the first where as clause where as the city of Sheboygan adopted a five year comprehensive outdoor plan in 2016 and to reject the CORP originally referred to the public works committee and to replace it with the September 6th, 2023 version attached to the current public works committee agenda. So let's make that motion. I move to adopt the. You move to do that. I'm gonna adopt that. Do that. Okay. Second. Second. Second. Okay. So first we move to the discussion on that. Okay. Then first we have to vote on that the amendment. Aye. Aye. Okay. Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye. That's approved. Now we get to vote on the resolution as amended. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye. That proves. I think that puts us through, right? Okay. We're good. We're good. Okay. Next meeting date is September 26th, 2023. You've seen as we've exhausted the agenda. I move to the adjourn. I move to adjourn. I'll second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye. We adjourn. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.