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He was just sitting back chilling, watching everything, sitting in, I think it was that other dude there, the big guy with the bad eye. What's his name? The big guy with the bad eye, the one that used to be with 50 Cent. Oh yeah, my man, Jack Thriller, he was there that night. And I was like, damn, man, it's popping down here. That was my first time at that place, man, but it was a dope set up, man. But I was like, dang, we got to see him and God made a way when we went down to Houston. We was invited by Mike. Won't he do it? He'll do it every time. I already done it. And you know what, we just left LA and we was in LA. We did Run G, you know, the one that was loose out at night. We interviewed him when we was in LA. I'm not playing. So we going through the whole, and I got some stuff coming up in a couple of weeks. So I'll be in Atlanta. I'm getting everybody on the camp. Watch what I tell you. Come on, man. Shout out to Boss Talk 101, showing nothing but love to comedians, actors, anybody that's out there. I love this show. I will always do it, no matter what. That's why it's being recorded right now. Jordan Jackson will come back every time. Let's get it. Man, see that, and that's what I love about it. You know what I'm saying? The fact that when we first asked you to come, you was on time that day. You was on time that day. You was on time every time. Have you ever been late anywhere? No, I don't play those games cause you know, you gotta respect people's time cause I definitely want them to respect mine. I love it. So when it come to that, you tell me how you feel about me when you show up on time. If you just come up like you're doing me a favor, I don't need that energy and nothing I'm doing. Every time you was on time, you was always, you know that it was a spirit of God that was with you cause you always came. You dropped jewels, man. Just the whole situation of every time we met you made us feel like, hey man, you know, it was respect, right? So what did you see when he was seeing him? He was acting a damn fool up there at that on that stage. He did the JJ thing. It was all kind of stuff going on up there, man. How long, let me tell y'all, if y'all have not seen him in person, I mean, like it's totally different from what I see on the internet. It was, it's just different type of comedy to me. It was just way funnier to me, okay? I love to watch you on the internet but that was like, y'all gotta see him live and in person, you have to have to. When are you gonna do your own show? So, you don't got some stuff in the oven. That's what people always say when they really don't know what's going on. You got some stuff, you got some skin in the fire. But you know, we working on stuff. We don't go back on tour in to February. So, you know, I gotta put you on cue. So in between then and now, you're just doing shows everywhere I can, so. Who are, like some people, you see them in the crowd just checking things out. Who are some of the people that's sitting and watching you? I know you said Cat Williams was one of them, didn't he say last time. Is anybody else that count in the comedian world that's kind of just, you know, you've seen and kind of learned stuff from? Yeah, Zoo Man, Miller, my boy. I mean, there's so many different people there, but Zoo Man is one of the biggest influencers. Country Wayne of course, you know what I'm saying? We talk comedy every day for hours at a time. And you know, a few other people when we're actually at shows, it'll come back and give me feedback. But you know, the stand-up world definitely is a different world from the skits. But I knew that social media was blowing up. So a lot of people think that I started doing social media and then started doing stand-up. But you started stand-up first? I was already doing stand-up, but I know who's gonna care about what I'm talking about if I'm not known. So I decided to go ahead and push the social media and then surprise people, because a lot of people will come to my open mics in Atlanta and just see me working on material so no one ever got to see me in Atlanta. They see me at the Fox Theater with Country Wayne and all of a sudden they were like, whoa, they didn't expect that, which is, that's how I want it anyway. Man, I just, I know when I seen you guys on stage, man, you definitely look like, hey, man, I'm where I'm supposed to be, right? Yeah. I mean, I sit there, it was like 3,700 seats. You're not encountering them, but you know what I'm asking the question. Oh no, I Googled it. I'm like, how many seats is in this one? It was like three. In the eight. Right. And they don't play, you know what I'm saying? You've got to come on with it. They do not care about no fame. You have to be funny in Atlanta. So to be validated at the Fox Theater and to be able to lay it down like that, man, was just, you know, just super, super exciting for all the hard work I put in. But you say you have to be that eight on play, okay? So what do you think about T.I. with his comedy? Because he's in the A and I've heard two different sides of it. Well, what do you think about his comedy? Well, being as a comic who really just don't want to say nothing bad about T.I. cause I might get a chance to do well with him, I'm going to say, man, you know, he's pushing hard. He's doing what he needs to do and it takes time. You know what I'm saying? I'm pretty sure he didn't become one of the hottest rappers in the South just like that. Anything that you do, any art form that you get in, you got to put in the work. So if he continues to do that, eventually he's going to get better. This is the only game that you cannot cheat. You know what I'm saying? You have to put in the work. And your fame will give you a little bit of a leniency for about seven to eight minutes. But at that, it's like, okay, what you got, bro? You know what I'm saying? You're famous, but we need some material. We need some jokes. Hey, I can tell you, man, you know, I don't know how he's scaling it, but you know, the ticket prices that we've seen. They're not cheap. We got some tickets to see him. You know, his ticket prices, they, yeah. But let's look behind that though. Let's look at the fact, okay? There's a lot of people saying, well, you know, T.I. is taking money without all that. He shouldn't be, you know, in this field that he decided he wanted to go in. But you also got to look at the fact that he is giving other comedians work, giving them an opportunity that they might not have had otherwise. So you got to look at the good and the bad. He decided that he wants to do it, but he's bringing people with him. So you got to take your head off to that. I like it. I like it. So my question is, because you're a person who do the skits and you do stand-up. But you say you started stand-up first. How hard is it to start with stand-up first and then gravitate to the skits? Because it's sort of a little bit different. And then I've heard some people who only do skits who've never done stand-up and are scared out of their mind to even go do stand-up. How hard is it to convert from one to the other, whichever way it goes? Well, it's easy for me because I'm a writer. So basically any of the material that I have to write on my own, it's the same thing when I do a skit because I make sure that I have a premise. You know what I'm saying? That's gonna be relatable first, not funny. You know, a lot of people try to go to the funny too fast and then you lose your audience. So I look at a good premise that everyone, not one category of people that everyone can relate to. And that's why I'm averaging about between 30 and 35 million views per month because I'm making sure that I don't cut anybody out. I'm making sure that the relatability is there. So once you do that, it's all in your pen. It's all in writing. So all your skits, you write? Yeah, you have to. You have to. So you don't do any impromptu skits, right? I don't know. When I say write, it's the actual premise. And what I'll do is I'll take someone that I know that has the talent. I'll just tell them what to say. You know what I'm saying? To make sure the video and then, you know, I'll have to direct it and film it, but it's gonna be a great product when it's done. Or if I'm working with, you know, with some of the people that I work with, like Kelly Kales, Chief Nass Myron, my boy Munchies, those people are already comedians. So their timing is already gonna be good. So basically all I gotta do is do the premise, be listening while we're filming, not cutting everybody off, not trying to be like, hey, look at me, but making sure that the skit is something that everyone can enjoy. And so I've had a lot, a lot of success with that because I'm working with people that I actually know. So it's easier to get that vibe going. Because the chemistry, it has to be very important. That's the biggest word. And then you've had, you've been in film before. Right. So what is the difference between doing your skits and if you're gonna be in a comedy, a movie? Now, that's a great question. And the answer to that is, it's a little bit more difficult because it's easier for me to take my words and make that believable. But now that I have to take somebody else's words, it takes a minute. Like when I have to co-read for parts and stuff like that, it takes me a little minute. Once I get it, then I can put my own emotion into that. But as far as I wrote it, then I already know what the emotion is because I'm the one who put it together. So it is, it's a huge difference. And if anyone who thinks that you're gonna go straight from skits into movies and there's not a difference, you're for rude awakening because it is a huge, there's so much stuff that you gotta break down. I've been with acting coaches in LA, showing you different moves that you gotta have with different sentences and I ain't know nothing about that. I said, how could it be? I'm natural. People don't know. You have to respect the art of actors. It is very hard. Man, you know, when I had Mike on there last time, he was one of those guys that basically was acting before as well. And you guys got a hell of a team. You know, the way you guys do the countrywane skits with him and then you do your own thing, you know, individually. And I don't think people understand how powerful it is that you have your own individuality within also doing that with him. I think that's dope, man. Oh, it's super dope. And the fact that countrywane encouraged that, you know, hey, go out here, you got what you got with me, but go out, build your own. And at first, you know, I was like, nah, man, you know what I'm saying? I was wanting him just to put me in everything, but he was like, no, you're not going to respect that as much as if you go out there. You know, we didn't talk about it. And he was like, yeah, go ahead and do it. He said, I know right now it seemed like it's hard, but you're going to appreciate it more if you build it on your own. And then being able to link with Mike Bless, which Mike Bless has got a hard to go. Like he's encouraged any of you to take, but he said the same thing that you said, he'd never seen me perform stand up. So he pulled me after the first show he's seen, but he's like, bro, he said, I don't see you in your skits. And he said, the skits is good, but he's like, this stand up, bro. He's like, boy, I never expected that. He said, I'm not going to lie. I never expected you that you were going to be that good. Man, he definitely spoke highly of you when he was here and just the way that you commit to comedy, the way that you, you know what I mean? You give you all. And I thought that was dope that he recognized that in you. He don't play with that comedy. He's serious. It's life. He put everything into it. And I thought that was live. I'm like, man, for him to even notice that. It's important that people believe in you as much as you believe in yourself because there's a lot of comedians that were telling Country Wayne when he put me on. A lot of them were like, oh man, we know dudes that are funnier than him. You know, why would you use him? First show, I went out there bomb. That's what he said. That's what he said. I'm talking about bomb, bomb. I'm talking about my friend. He didn't think you was coming back. I'm thinking, I'm fired, light it up. And then, you know, so, you know, I didn't even look at him. I went to get my check. I was like, all right, man, I appreciate the opportunity. We got some more shows in Memphis. So I'm like, we do? We go to Memphis, he's like, listen, man. Tell these people, tell these people that I'm the one who put you on. Man, I take my testimony in the beginning, you know what I'm saying? Until I'm so happy and just, that somebody believed in me and gave me an opportunity. And from there on, the bomb was over with. It was just a learning and process. But what people don't understand about Country Wayne is the fact that his work ethic is so, he literally could chill, the dude's a millionaire. And I ain't talking about a millionaire that people talking about. I'm talking about that I've seen. People say they got it all the time. So when I see a man like that working so hard and they really can kick back, that's gonna transcend into your team because everybody knows that if you work is just as hard, your day is coming too. Put in that work. I want to know. You were talking about that, you bomb before. Do you believe that every single comedian who do stand up for the first time, that has bombed at one time or the other in their career? I'm pretty sure. I mean, that's hard to say because there's some maybe who didn't bomb. All I know is I bombed, I bombed for a year straight. And I was there. Yes, I did. And I came to every show. Zoom in. A year straight. Nancy put me up on that stage every time. Zoom in. Even when he's at the show, he's like, well, he gonna get it next week. Hopefully he'll have it before he get back. But they took me under the wing because they knew my writing was good. I just didn't know anything about timing. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't let that deter me. I was there. The timing is important. Every week we bomb it. Timing is very important. Timing is very important. Of course it is. But how are you gonna know? I'm just up there shaking in my boots. Just trying to get people to enjoy me. That's what I would think. You could go up there and just tell a joke and you hit or you miss. Is it? Man, you know, and here's the question, right? It's coming. It's always coming. This is the big question. Go ahead. This show has been, I went to LA asked this question, but it was all behind Phazon Love. And Phazon came on here. Now that's why Mike ended up on the show. Cause he wanted to state the fact of who country Wayne was, you know, for his his comedy. Cause when it hit the airways, it was like, I asked Phazon, I was like, man, you know, that, I said, man, you know, I said, they're finding a new wave. And I said, basically I say the internet, you know, they're doing that thing on the internet comedy. And he said, nah, nah, that's some other shit. You know, and he talked about the residuals. I asked this question every time now, because I feel like the conversation need to be had and people need to understand it. Only way you're going to bridge the gap is to talk about it and come up with a solution. How do you feel about the fact of the old versus the new? You've done it both ways as well. How do you, do you think that the old way is better? Or is the new way better? Are they both the same? As far as the old, you know, the way that the traditional, the phase on love, the movies, the residuals, versus the country, Wayne, being internet sensation that's doing crazy numbers that we're hearing, we're hearing this, these numbers are crazy, but others on this side are saying, we don't even know what that is, if that's even comedy. But before you answer that question, do you make residuals off of anything that you do? Yeah, that's how we get paid is the residuals. Okay, I'm just checking because a lot of times people don't understand that. How, explain that. How, because then you- Oh, well, Facebook is paying you while you're sleeping. You know what I'm saying? That money is being turned over every time. Once you post a video and you're monetized on any of your platforms, that right there is your residuals. And it's better residuals than it, because that show has to come back on in order for you. So one might come on this month, next month in my life, our stuff is rolling 365 days. Yeah, but Columbus say, Columbus sure said that's not residuals. He said residuals. But he's wrong. No, because it's residuals. No, he's saying residuals is something that can, what, take care of your family. That can pay your kids' kids. It's something that they keep getting. Then it's residuals. Okay, but let me ask you a question. Okay, you said you're getting residuals, but let me go into, what's that man name? I know this name, that passed away the other day. He talked about women like- Kevin Samuels. Kevin Samuels. Okay, he was making a lot of money off of me. He passed away and videos are still being watched over and over and over again. Somebody's in, on the other side. Will that money go to his kids, kids and kids? Of course, the money's still going. As long as he left, specific details in his wheel of where that go, because it's still going into his account. You know what I'm saying? It goes directly into your account. So of course his kids are gonna get it. Then that's the beautiful thing about it. Something happens to me, my videos are still there. It's still rotating, I'm still, I don't understand how you can say that that's not residuals. Well, that's what Faizan says and that's what Columbus says. Well, they don't- I guess because their world is different when you come to residuals and you look at the budgets that they made their big movies on, whether it be- Congratulations. You see what I'm saying? They still got big checks coming every six months. Congratulations to that. But mine ain't no every six months, it's every month. And the bottom line is there's no wrong way when it comes to doing what we're doing. My thing is why wouldn't you take advantage? If I'm in a big movie, okay? I'm gonna be hot if I'm lucky. Let's just go at the long, maybe a year. And that's stretching it, okay? Whereas you go to the social media platform, I'm able to build my own television network, my own audience, my own. I don't have to wait on anybody else to build me. I can build myself, okay? So let me think about this. What happens if I'm in this movie where I'm hot for a year and I'm building my own? I can't lose, okay? So why wouldn't the old school decide to say, okay, I'm gonna make both of these money? Exactly. That's what I've always said that. We've always said that. It makes more sense, they're known already. You know what I'm saying? Out of those type of people that I would love to work with, your face is already out there. Let's get to work. And the difference is that- You don't want this money? You don't want $50,000 a month? You don't want that? And they would blow up even more because to me, when you see a person in the movie, you're just seeing that character that they're playing. But when you're actually on social media doing different things- You're building you. Building you and people can get more close to you. That's so true. They can feel like they know you without knowing you. So you know what I mean? They're coming to that show because I can't. You're in Jackson's in town. I got to go, that's my friend because I'm connected to him. The movie, they're connected to the character. Yeah, but you know, Will Farrow is not hurting. Of course not. Well, there's a bunch of people who are not acting. Well, Farrow is not hurting. Face on with what I just seen with I- What does that mean? They're not hurting. Trump proved that you ain't got enough money. Okay, so they don't matter if you ain't hurting. That don't mean nothing. Who don't want some more money? They don't care if you, all the people that ain't hurting, you're gonna tell me I got a million so I don't want another million. You're gonna say that I'm making 50,000 so I don't want another 50,000 just to do the thing that I love, just to be myself? That makes no sense. But some people, I think the reason, a couple of reasons why they don't do it. Some people just don't know how to word internet, number one. Number two. Do you have somebody who does? Number two, they're like, they prefer it, they're more comfortable than just playing a character and turn it off and they're done with all of that sort of stuff. They can go live their regular life because these celebrities, imagine, you're a person that can't even walk outside your house without TMZ or whoever, hounding you and all of that. So they probably just don't want to even have to deal with that. But that doesn't make sense though that you're not comfortable because you're doing a character in that movie and if basically you're gonna let people connect with you because all that's doing is building your brand unless you're saying that you're acting not to build the brand and if you're not building the brand, how are you getting the rose? Like it's all connected. You know what I'm saying? It makes no sense to me that you're gonna say, because think about it. If Chris Tucker or Michael Jackson had an Instagram or Facebook back in the day, how big do you think that would have been? It would have broke the internet. It broke when... I see Chris Tucker when he was high. Another question I was wondering about because with Facebook, Instagram, and you know, this has been going on for years, but when you think about MySpace, MySpace was here and then it's gone. So what happens to your residuals and all of that when something else comes up and that's hot and Facebook is gone or Instagram is gone? We all know that's a good question, but it's non-envoy, okay? Facebook ain't going nowhere. MySpace was basically a different type of thing because it wasn't family. Like you gotta remember, Facebook is so that we can connect to our friends and to our family. Now they were able to monetize that and turn it into money, but no matter what, even if you take away advertising, monetizing, Facebook ain't going nowhere because there's gonna be people. And as long as there's people, there's always gonna be money. That's why television has a winning way. A lot of people aren't watching television like they used to, but there's enough people that are still watching it for you to actually make money. Movies are not as big anymore because people are watching them on their phone. The big screen is the small screen. You know what I'm saying? People are watching on it, but guess what? Movie theaters are still putting in. You still gonna have to catch a Marvel movie in the theater because you have to share the space now where you didn't have to share that space at first but now there's so many different, but everyone's trying to get a piece of that but no one's gonna mess with the big three. You know what I'm saying? YouTube, Facebook and Instagram. You know what I'm saying? And the rest of them will fall in as they can. TikTok is trying to get a share of the market, but we know what it is and Facebook is coming. They're coming, trying to get it, the whole space. Well, you look at, like I said, I always bring up Will Smith because before he did the famous slap and all that, he was doing it. He was figuring it all out, that whole world out. The movies, his wife doing what she was doing on Facebook. When you look at that, he was really, I was like, he got it, you know? He's got this whole thing working but then, you know, the slap came and it kind of threw him off from what he was dealing with. Kinda. Yeah, that caused him a lot. A lot. So when you look at that and then you see these worlds, let me ask you something. When you in the, like when you doing your comedy or when you around these certain comedians, I know y'all, it's all love, but did you really, do you realize that that world exists where some don't rock with the guys that do the internet thing versus the ones that's traditional that feel like? Did you know that? Did you know it was a gap there? Of course. But I've also seen him, that gap is getting closer and closer because people are understanding. I think it's, you know, we always veer back from something that we don't understand. You know what I'm saying? If you actually talk to someone who does it and you look back and you're like, okay, here's XYZ. This is why you need to do it. If you're a manager and you have a client, of course you're going to tell your client to do social media. Now, if he doesn't want to do it, that's fine, but he's still going to eat. But why wouldn't you want to eat more? You know what I'm saying? Because there's so many people that are out there who may not have heard of you. You know, you've got a core base of people, but this gives you an opportunity for more people. Think about the people that want comic view. You know what I'm saying? You don't really get to use that credit as much, but you can use it enough to where maybe you can get some shows, but if you got those comic view people and some of these new social media platforms, all it can do is help your brand. Why wouldn't you want to help it? Carlos Miller was just on here and he gave a heck of an analogy about how one comes out. He said, if he was doing, why would you change what you do and go to the, I was like, that's crazy, but it's real. It's true. It's a little great point. Why would you change what you do when you go and he was like, basically go in there and do the skit on stage. And then let them come do their jobs Those people are there. The comedy club gave you the place. They gave you the venue to use. You get to create your show any way that you want to. Have those people there aren't really into stand up anyway. They are there for those skits and their picture. They want to be able to go to work and show their friend, hey, hey, I was at the country Wayne show. I was at the Carlos Miller show. I was at the DC Youngslide show. I was at the Desi Bank show. I was at these shows and look at my picture. Here's my proof to show. Any type of show that you want to put together, it's your show. You can do it however you want to do it. Ha, ha, Davis. That's what he did. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's seen, okay, you know, I tried to say, it takes time to get that stand up all. You're not going to do it in a year. You're not going to do it in two years. You got to put in that work. So why not just be entertaining until, and if you don't want to go to stand up, you don't have to because guess what? They're there for you. So wherever you give them, that's what they're going to enjoy anyway. They're your fans. They're not going to go in and they go, oh man, he was horrible, even at the stand up because they're your fans. They're your family. But when you look at like, when Mike came on here, Mike was like, Faizon don't know. He, it's just like telling a gorilla animal about an airplane. They just don't get it. A dinosaur. A dinosaur about an airplane. And it's like, but there has to be some way to bridge the gap. Bring the, you know. You know what I'm saying? You said it was, it was, you see that gap closer. Definitely. Okay. But who though? But who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who? Plenty of different community. You can't say, but who? No, because they, no, they trying. Right, yeah, so. I get it, so you don't want to push them back. Right. You know what I'm saying? But here's the thing, okay. If Faizon love actually said that because I can understand you coming from a part of not knowing. Right. But if I was to sit down with Faizon love and say, okay, here's what you have to do. And this is going to get you an extra $10 to $20,000 a month. He's not going to say, oh no, I'm not doing that. He's going to say, oh, okay. Because he already has the talent. He already knows what timing is. He already, he already knows. So he can basically make extra money with little or no effort because Reels is where Facebook is going to right now. Six second video, get millions of views and you capitalize off of that. So there's no veteran comedian that if you explained it to them and showed them how easy it was, it's not going to be like, well, no, I can't use no extra 10 to $15,000 a month for doing a little bit of work. I find that hard to believe that they wouldn't jump on that. They wouldn't jump on that. The thing is, it seems hard if you're not doing it. You know, if it's explained, right? It's like, oh, there's a lot of my friends that I helped get monetized who really weren't into doing it right now. I was like, I don't want it. But then once you get a taste of it, you're like, wow. But that's why I feel that these discussions are very, very important because a lot of times people don't like you coming to the person and saying, this is what you need to do. This is, this is, this. But then for them to watch the video on their own, nobody's around and hear both sides and hear, you know, like, oh, okay. Don't just need to be here. Maybe I need to research in this and you know, hire somebody if I can't do it myself or whatever. There's no history. But here's the biggest thing of what people don't understand about it because I understand once you're already on a certain level, okay? You took your minute to get to the standup level that you are today. Okay, this is hard work as far as you still have to put in the work and you can't be so caught up in, I posted this and it only got 50 views because you're already defeating yourself. Okay, 50 views today, 100 views tomorrow, 150 the next day. There's 150 people who got a glimpse of you who never would have. Focus on that. Don't focus on, I need to get some money. I need to, and this is for the more people who aren't really famous, but I see a lot of people give up before they have an opportunity. You have to keep pushing and you can get caught up and it didn't get a views because sometimes you're gonna say, oh, this is going viral, my own self. I put something, I've done it so much now as soon as it's done, I'm like, oh yeah, that one going. You know what I'm saying? Then there's other one, that's a good filler. You know what I'm saying? It'll get me something. I still got to see. And the filler does better than the other one. And you just don't know. But I'm posting 20 reels a day. I'm shotgun social media, buddy, so I'm going in. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And don't pay attention, because one thing I realize about this business or any business on the internet, don't pay attention to the haters who'll be in the comments saying negative stuff and whatever. First thing I do, this one funny though, I'll be like, ooh, thank you, I'll work harder next time. That's it. And I end up getting a flower. You know what I'm saying? But if you come back and you get, no, no, don't, don't give them, that's what they want. Just thank you, you know what I'm trying my best. So you talk to all these negative comments. I sure do. Thank you so much, dude. If you have any advice that you can give me, to be funny on show, we appreciate it. Tell me about the negative comment that came across that you couldn't answer like that, that you had to really sit down and think about it and you answered. No, it's positivity no matter what. I don't care. Somebody comes in and says, this is a waste of my time. I can't believe this stuff is so stupid. It's the same response every time. Thank you so much. I would try harder. You know what I'm saying? Forget about the almost a million people that are following me. What do they know? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, but stay positive. Don't go into the point of there trying to defend. Why you got to defend your talent when you know? There's no way that you're getting these amount of numbers if there's no talent there. That's right. You know, you're a person who's looking for attention and I just gave it to you. The best positive attention I can give you. Man, I like that, man. That's a good spinoff, man. I love it, bro. So, I mean, you just, like I said, you don't, you don't see still Mason, man. Just the thing you do as the, you're the father on the show for Country Wayne. And what's your daughter name on there? Blake. Blake. And I didn't see that coming because I knew he was coming back into this whole thing, but I didn't know how it was going to do it. So how was that? How did you guys, and we can talk about it because it already happened, but how did you guys prepare that and just how easy it was, was it to get into the mode of dealing with it? Okay, well, well, basically I was already casted as Blake's dad in the very beginning. Yeah. And so we took a little break, you know what I'm saying? But he brought me back in. Now this character is a very difficult character to play because, you know what I'm saying? I got my swag and what I'm doing good, but I'm a bum who's borrowing money from his daughter, everything you turn around. You know, I got the nameless shoes on. I'm just a broke dude, you know what I'm saying? But I'm engulfing this character that country Wayne has provided for me and I'm going all out to do it. But I'm very different from broke Blake's daddy. Man. But I love the character I love in golf with these guys. Man, you're killing it. This is a great opportunity and the comments are amazing. Like people are really interacting and saying that they love it. So it's great. It's a hard deal. You know, you basically, you got to stand character. You got to, you know, do your thing. You used to doing that. But just how is it easy to do that with Blake? I mean, is it, is it? Cause it seemed like I haven't done it myself. I mean, I haven't done it myself. I'm a father. You know, the chemistry is there, you know what I'm saying? And it's a fun, it's a fun character to play. And you know, we've got some really good stuff coming up in the future. So it's, it's, it's a, so what people don't understand about that particular show with over 7 million people, 7 million plus people watching. It's like being in a real soap opera, like being on HBO Max and Showtime or anything else. And the love, you know, people used to walk up to people the way they walk up to me and I was like, different bleak daddy boy, where did you go to? All the daddy, all the daddy. You know what I'm saying? But it's love. And then being able to be combative with Mike Bliss and being the other daddy and trying to compete for the daughter's love it just fled out amazing. When you look at like the fact that Country Wayne is basically, he's different, man. You don't see nobody ripping through doing the things that he's doing right now. I'm a big fan, man. So, you know, I just wanted to just kind of ask you like, you know, how does it feel to be in the midst of that? Like that with Country Wayne, man, being that he's a, you know, this guy's a millionaire, man. Like, like, and it didn't, it happened like that. The quote was 400, yeah, I'm not pocket-watching or nothing, but the quote was 450,000 a month. I'm like, this is crazy numbers, man. It seems unbelievable. It seems unbelievable. And do you see it? But the thing is, man, the dude has got a comedic mind that is, you know for a fact that it's going to the next level. You know there's going to be TV shows, there's going to be movies, which he's already got a movie that he just finished. You know that this guy, the book is coming. Reality show, he's got all these different things that with his brain and his comedy that he's put together. And for him to do it without Hollywood and now about to be joining Hollywood is just an amazing feat because he's really self-made. You know, people say that, but he's really self-made. He took the cell phone, put it to his face, then took it out of his face and then made other stars. You know what I'm saying? And let everybody eat. His team is always, you see it. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's thriving. He's never been a type of person where it's all about me, it's all about me. And it's hard to find people that are genuine like that who really care about you. You know, I'm expecting when I got on tour with him to be okay, we have the shows, I see him. And I'm like, nah, every day, what's up, George? What we got going on? You know, we swiping out information. You know what I'm saying? He's like, Jordan, this is what you need to do. I'm watching the new room. That's love. Everything that he's told me to do has always been right on point. Sometimes I was hardheaded. You know what I'm saying? God, I knew it. I come back and do the things that he's talking about. So when you got somebody like that, if you're around somebody making money and you ain't making money, oh, it's you. Oh yeah. It's you, you should be. And not only just the money, but the knowledge. You can't replace that. Man, this guy's so dope because of the fact that he'll take time and he'll sit in front of the screen and he'll take it to a spiritual level. Yeah, Bible study. And Bible study. And see, you don't see this. Most people don't even let you see when they're doing something like that. He's made it cool to even love God. You know what I mean? Jesus is popping. Jesus is popping. And I think that's dope, bro. Like you gotta have that because of the way that the internet is permeated with the evil that's coming out through his streams to have him interjecting something about God is spectacular. Yeah, and he's always been about that. He ain't trying to, he's never did that to try to get know. He's always been about that. I've seen that from day one. You know, I wish I read my Bible every day the way. I wish I could sit up there and pretend. And he's a real person, but he'll call me up. I'm about to read this word. You want to get the heck? Yeah. Every time he's done that, something boom. Man. Turn around, something good will go for me. So for a person to be that spiritual, but never judge you, that's the type of friend that you want. I see it. You know what I'm saying? A person that, as soon as they get some information, you know how people get information. Whole information don't want you to win. He's right on. Hey, Jordan, just found this out. Just found that out. You know what I'm saying? And a person that's on this level easily could be like, okay, we're everybody trying to get my stuff. So they isolate themselves from the world. Wow. Man, I think that's- What God has for you, God has for you. That's it. Wow, man. And you know, like I said, this is something that, like I said, it's different, but it's needed. And like I said, I'm a big fan. I've been a big fan ever since I started watching him, watching you, watching the movement, man. You guys are spectacular, man. I want to say also, let me back something up and go and get the shot. I got the shout out of my boy Jesse McDonald. I always got to do that because he always have, you know, he linked me with the right people. He's the reason I got to meet you and I always just want to acknowledge that. Cheating ass Myron been on the set. You be on the set. It's going down, man. Boss talk 101, what a boss is talking, man. So let me go ahead. I know you're a very calculated person. So, and goal oriented. So where can we see you in the next year, two years? What you have planned coming up? Definitely a lot more writing, a lot more producing. I got my show actually is coming up September the 12th. So make sure y'all tune in. I know that. That was the name of that show. I had to go ahead and plug that thing. A shameless look. They're shameless look. What's the name of it? Jordan Jackson show Monday through Friday from seven to nine prime time. Gonna have some of the greatest, huh? Is it gonna be live? It's gonna be live. And I got some, some of the, everybody I called. I got you, Jay. I got you, Jay. September the 12th, the first show opening show got the big homey country. Wayne, you already know it. Yeah. I'm trying to get you, man. I'm jealous as hell, man. Damn. I got you, bro. You say you coming to my house? I'm coming in on the night. If I can get him, that'd be great, bro. So many people, you know what I'm saying? A lot of things, you know, Mike bless of course. Oh, that's my boy, man. Courtney Lees, of course my crew, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know, always rock with me, Munchies, Kelly Kales, Cheatin' Asmire and Hobaka, you know, all my people. You know what I'm saying? They're gonna come out and, you know, I'm looking forward to this. I've been trying to do this over 90 million homes, where like the lady who reached out to me was like, listen, I want to produce your show. I want to make sure that we do it right. And so, you know, Rukul, Apple TV, all platforms is going down. So make sure y'all support that. Man, that's love. Jordan Jackson's show is coming, baby. And you're gonna be located in one spot when you film, or are you gonna take it on the road? One spot, and then people will be able to come. It's easier for me to get to my guests rather than have them have to come to Atlanta every time. That's right, man. Just love it, man. In fact, of the growth, man. Yes, sir. You got it. I mean, how long have you been at this? Eight years. Eight years, man. Did you have a- Four years, professing. Did you ever think that you would be where you are today? I knew that I would be in the, I never thought, first of all, I did not see Country Wayne coming and taking me up under the wing and literally saying, hey, I'm about to take this trip. You want to ride with me? You know, people say that all the time. First time you see me, he told me that. But I, you know, people say that. I thought it was L.A.M. You know how people do. Right. L.A.M. Mission to lunch. I'm a millionaire, but my fork in the end is, ooh, I'm not a millionaire. So I thought it was one of those moments. It wasn't. Everything that's going on, working with the people that I work to, they're so, so genuine, you know, that are family and friends and being able to see the growth in them, them helping my growth, me helping their growth. It's just, it's a, just an honor and a privilege to be in a situation where you get to be yourself and be accepted as yourself and be able to make the world laugh in the times that we are now because laughter's needed more time than ever right now. Man, it's so needed. You want to go on it. So, you, okay, which daughter is older? Your true daughter or your play daughter? No, my real daughter is that. Is older. Okay, cause I was thinking, I'm like, well, maybe your play daughter, the things that you go through where her will help prepare you. But I got a sad daughter that's the same age as Blake. So that girl, that's why I got five kids. Wow, that's live. Four girls, one boy. And it don't matter how many baby mama. Four girls. Wow. Man, you know. Is he junior? Yes. Hell yeah, he's junior. I wish. He's junior. Junior softball, junior. Football, dream basketball. All right, let's get to the nuts and bolts, man. Just help somebody, man. You know, like on Facebook, man, some of the things, what we've been trying to figure it out. You know, just give us something to, you know, help us to understand how we can build our platform a little faster. Okay. We're posting maybe once a day right now. Two, three times sometimes. Two, three times sometimes. What do we need to do to get that page? We got the content, of course. You know that. What do we do? You know what I mean? To try to get this page up to where it needs to be. And all of our people need to help us too. That mean they gotta go on there and like the page. We are Boston Podcast 101 on every single platform. You go on any platform and look us up. And like, subscribe, follow, do all of that. We were so, so, so greatly appreciated. Yeah. So talk 101. So tell us like it. Give me the feel. So biggest thing that you can do right now that's immediate results is Reels. Okay, so you post as many Reels as you can. Make sure that you're going live once a day. That's the hard way to say it. If you can do it twice. That's dope. Don't always make it about yourself. What you gonna have two people talk. You know what I'm saying? Two people come up, man. That's discouraging, bro. It don't matter. It's before tomorrow. Don't get caught up. I'm just being ripped. This is what people think. Two people on his own. So what? Entertain those two people. That's the name of the game. You know what I'm saying? You know when they come on and just fall off. And you gotta remember there's more people that are gonna come. Two come. No, no, no. And that's not the truth. Then they drop off. Then one come. Then somebody get on there. You know what they say? What? He just got me. I'm trying to get more advice. Baby, let him talk. It's discouraging, man. It's very discouraging, man. Don't be discouraged. Don't get caught up in a number. Be caught up in being informative. Be caught up in what y'all got going on. Be caught up in getting the engagement going. You two people. Where y'all checking in from? You need to build. You need to build that knock down. Don't forget, once you post it, there's more people that are coming to see it as well. They just, there was only a couple of people. So if you're only getting two people at a certain time, go live at another time. You know what I'm saying? So that you can actually just mark it down. Okay, well I went at this time. It was eight people. This is the way. Then you may go another time. Find out what the analytics are for your paid because it might not even be what you think it is. Just could be the wrong timing for the actual page. You know what I'm saying? So build on that. Do your reels. Post your content. Go on your followers' pages and show them love, too. Don't make it all about yourself because a lot of people forget that. You know what I'm saying? Go on there and comment in. Take you nothing to comment on somebody's talk. When you're going through the reels, ha ha ha. Money or not? Ha ha ha ha. You know what I'm saying? Go through and engage with those. That'll make more people, because they're going to appreciate that. When the people are putting in real, they're discouraged, too. So if you see, oh wow, blah, blah, blah, they gave me a comment. You know what I'm saying? Show them that love. Now of course, when I do it, it's a little bit more, but still people appreciate the fact that you're supporting them as much as you want them to support you. Which one's more important? The reels or does the post? Thank you. Which one's more important? The reels, post, or store? I'll live, it's all important, but the reels is what will grow you faster, but you need it all. You need it all. You need to do it all. Is it better to do it on your like page as your business page or your personal page? Which one works better? You're doing both. It ain't gonna, you know what I'm saying? It's not gonna hurt nothing. Because a lot of people, well, two people that I've known so far, they have their personal page and they have their like page, but they get monetized on their personal page quicker than they do on their... Yeah, I mean, it happens. I'm monetized on both. And thank you Jesus, Facebook, y'all, you know what I mean. Won't they do it? We've already done it. Which one monetized first for you though? Yeah, my like page. Oh, okay. Like I said, the reason I was at doing like earlier, those are the things that people are thinking. When you, what I was telling you is when you see two people on there and when you like, it's very discouraging, but at the end of the day... It's a great time to see it now. At the end of the day. Nice and slow and stuff, you know. At the end of the day. That's what I mean. Listen, my show go like that, don't it? That's the way this day, I'm show go. But I just know that at this time, you know, when we're doing it, we've been trying to figure it out now. Let's go to Instagram now. I'm just trying to get all of it out of you because you dope at what you do. Your explanations help a lot of people. And I seen that last time we was on them, I'm like, man, that dude's good at that. Everybody ain't answering them damn questions. You even wrote a book about it. Yes, sir. Yeah, so that's why... Tell our fans again, what's the name of the book? How to socialize and monetize your social media platform that's on Amazon. It will be the best $10 you've ever spent. And I made it affordable, you know what I'm saying? So that people can use these things. And these things actually work. I got proof. I got friends, you know what I'm saying? Who were monetized or are monetized. So you have to put in the time, but you're gonna post these things anyway, especially if you're trying to build your business, you're trying to build your brand. So if you have a brand, if you have a barbershop, if you have a nail salon, if you're not doing reels that are catered to that, then don't do funny stuff. Just do stuff that are reels that'll get people to your page and want to come to your place of business. You know what I'm saying? You want to do, you want to do, if you're gonna do skits, that's great. But everybody has to have the boss talk 101 shirt on. You want a brand, brand, brand. That's right. That's what I like about you. Like I said, the things that you explained is, it seems like I can go do it. You know what I'm saying? I gotta do it. I gotta do it. Consistency. I'm not trying to end this. I'm consistently trying to end that. I need some more things that I can do that actually work. How long ago you wrote that book? Probably about two years. Has anything changed or needed to be added to that book that you found, man? Of course. You know what I'm saying? Value in two coming out. I ain't gonna do that. That's right. That $10 going. What about Instagram for us? What do we need to be doing? Same thing. It's reals. Go live. Stories. Let people into your life. You know, with the stories, just when you wake up, as you're preparing for the next interview, all this stuff, because people want to know that you're a real person. So that's where you get your connection from. It can't be every time you go to your story, hey man, make sure y'all check out the interview. That doesn't make you a person. You know what I'm saying? If you're going there, I'm like, well, I just woke up, man. We had a couple, didn't let them inside your world. You know, you ain't gotta let them all up in it. But you know what I'm saying? Get the connection. You know what I'm saying? Get the connection with your fans. What's suppose if you're like me, who sometimes feel like I'm boring, and nobody gonna want to hear nothing I have to say. Well then, if you feel that you're boring, then do be informative. You know what I'm saying? So because you have the experience of running your own podcast, because you have the experience, so you can wake up and say, okay, here's tip one for wanting to get it started. You know what I'm saying? Encourage people. Don't keep putting it off. You know, there's always, well, people don't understand. Content is key. That's right. And it don't gotta be funny. You know what I'm saying? It could just be informative. It could just be just inspiring. You know what I'm saying? It could be recipes, you know, whatever your passion is, that's still content. You a barber here. Here's how to cut your own hair. It's tutorial. You know what I'm saying? Then you build through that. So content is key. It's not going nowhere. It's not going nowhere. So however that you can do that and still get your brand across, hey, this is Boss Talk 101 tip one. Okay, you're trying to get it started. How you book to people. You know what I'm saying? How to get your connection. Don't be afraid to DM somebody. You never know. Go be it. Go home. Different things. There's information that y'all have that people that are just starting out need to know. Which microphones to get? Which cameras to get? Hold on a second. Boss Talk 101 is the greatest show in podcasting right now. So just wanted to give it up to him. But I wanted to show you this plug. Country Wayne, before we get off of Instagram, Country Wayne at one point, they're not gonna be on Instagram no more. We gonna do that. Did that ever get resolved? Or are they still like? Oh no, it's gonna get resolved. When they start paying them again. You know what I'm saying? For right now, Instagram doesn't know what they're gonna do. So IGTV is gone. So, you know, they were paying for the commercial just like they were on Facebook. So he pulled off of that platform. But Country Wayne was doing so good. I'm not gonna say the number, but Instagram still continued to pay him whether he posted or not. Because they did not want him to not do anything on the platform. So, but that's, you know, they just sent out the notifications. You know, that's about to come to an end. So obviously they solved and figured out a way for you to be able to post that content. But Instagram is smart. They also added another feature that's very, very important by adding the subscriptions to your page. I've seen that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, now exclusive content can go to your subscribers. And that's another thing. Okay, all people that are subscribed to Boss Talk 101 get a t-shirt. They get, cause they're paying 9.95 a month anyway. Give them something. Give them exclusive behind the scenes that nobody else can get. And so you're building a loyal fan base through that. And I'm subscribed to a couple of pages. The lady was really good on branding. And she, you know, she does these good Q and A's and contests and all that stuff. So there's another way to build, you know, more interest. But the only way you can get those subscriptions is if Instagram, I'm saying that. Suggest it? Yeah, yeah, they said it. So you can just go on. I just got mine three weeks ago. That's dope. Man, that's alive too. I think that is smart on their behalf to find another way to connect to a brand. And it's sweet the way they do it because now every time someone's liking or running the video, they're gonna come across and subscribe to who is your injection page to get exclusive content. Yeah, I see that. Now, what that does is put something else on your plate. To put exclusive content. They paying their money with exclusive content. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. You're like, I don't want to see the same thing I saw over here. Exactly. What am I paying the money for? Right, exactly. But another question I was holding on to, it was the fact that, do you suggest for people to record all their content before time so they have a massive amount of content to post every day? Or should they just post every day as they wake up? It's just according to how they want to do it. Now, me myself, I probably got about 80 videos right now that I can post, but that doesn't stop me. I'm still, I'm filming every day all day. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't ever know what's gonna come to where maybe I can't go out and shoot content. And that kind of, some people are filming and be like, oh, we'll just get up. I'm like, man, you might forget about that. It goes, ain't no telling when it's gonna come out because I have so much content that I have before that. Now, if you see me some, if I post something immediately, I'm like, ooh, it's a hit. You know, the only one I know it might hit it might not, but you know when something is gonna go, you know what I'm saying? So then I might post that. But you know, sometimes actors or actresses will get in their feelings because, you know, they want you to post it right then. That's the same as the show, the same thing. Yeah, it takes time or something. People come on and they're like, okay, when is this coming out? Tomorrow? I'll be like, nah, we'll get it out when we get it out. Exactly. As it's your show and your editors and everybody come through and you're like, ooh, this needs to be out to the people. If it's great, it's gonna go out. If it's pretty good, well, when we have some downtime, if no other good interviews come, you won't come on. How do you pick the people that come in your skits? I only work with a certain, at first, when I first started, I was working with everybody and anybody. But then you have to learn them. You have to learn the timing. So I work with a select few. There's maybe six people in general. And there's a lady that I just started working with. Shout out to her. And she's from that, let's go! Keyelavet, you know what I'm saying? Keyelavet, what up, baby? Never done skits before. Didn't even interest in acting. I asked her to do it, took great direction and I probably totaled views with her in the skit. She may be close to 30 million views. And she's never acted a day in her life, but she could take good direction. What did you see in her? Like you just acted a day? No, she was with me all the time. She was with me all the time. She enjoyed, you know, of course, a woman. You know what I'm saying? Of course, you want to put your clothes on and look good on the videos. And so I was like, you know what, you with me. You know what I'm saying? We're really, really good friends. Let's just try and show some stuff. And then, of course, she kept laughing at first because you know what I'm saying stuff. But then after a while, you know what I'm saying? She got it. Man, when I tell you, and it's less of a headache because sometimes when you try to shoot with people who feel that they may know more than you, no matter what the numbers are, then you have some head button going on. Well, I didn't have to worry about that with her because she just listened, take directions and boom. The videos went up as opposed. Well, I feel like, okay, well, let's do your idea the way you feel like you're doing, but this is the idea that I have. And I visually already see how I want it to go. So I just need to get it out and keep it rolling. I never had any problems with her on that. And then I started learning, hmm, I only really need one person. Then it taught me. I was like, wow. So really, if I just take a person who wants to do it and they'll listen, we're good. Man, I don't have to depend on if your schedule is open or not. That's it, that's it, man. Thank you so much, man. How can people get a hold to you? Of course, we ought to ask you that every time. Oh, that's right. You know what I'm saying? You can go to thejordanjaxi.com or you can go on thejordanjaxinshow.com, the Jordan Jackson Show on YouTube. Shout out to my YouTube page. We're made of 71,000 subscribers. We're trying to hit 100,000 in the next two months and I know what's gonna happen. Man, I know what's gonna happen, man. And with your energy and with your consistency. That's right. Don't you hate that word when you ain't doing what you wanna do? Why people always say that you just gotta be consistent. Keep doing it, man. Keep going up. Just keep working, just keep working. That's how I feel. I feel just gotta keep going. Don't care about what nobody say. Just keep putting out. If they hating, just put out even more. Yeah. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, Jordan. Thanks for having me. We love you, bro. You my God, man. It's been real, man. We gonna do this every, you my uh, you my uh, yeah, you gonna be here every two months, now. All right, I won't talk about it. I'm coming too. I love Dallas. I'm gonna be here every two months. Every two months, what do you call it? I'm gonna record that. Record that down. I'm gonna get eight movies next week. He's still coming back. I'm coming. You gotta come back. What a boss talk, man. It's going down, man. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the bosses talk. And we out.