 I did want to thank Alex for becoming a ground support member right before the show so welcome Alex to the YouTube membership. Hopefully it is Good, and we're starting just a little bit later than normal mostly because I was Playing around before the show instead of doing the work. I was supposed to actually be doing. Yes woefully underprepared woefully underprepared. Good job. So now I am trying so You can see I'm not even logged into chat like this is this is a whole mess. Do we have updated slates? No, you know we do we do no no no we do we do we do only because it's the same month You better be glad December is 31 days long. I hate you all My name well as I try to get this going my name. I got the chat room up. I'm good. I'm good. We can start now My name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am a disorganized mess, and I am joined by Jared head who is Also actually disorganized And we're also joined by Molly so for those who don't know Ryan will no longer be with tomorrow and has been permanently replaced by I'm just kidding Actually Ryan Ryan Ryan has a previous engagement. He's actually in the He's in the chat. Wait. Well, he just chatted. He said I've been sent off to boarding school to learn the true correct and only measurement system Imperial I have so far Learned that one mile is five thousand two hundred and eighty foot One yard is thirty six inches Wait until he finds out that the world series actually doesn't include the world in it No, Ryan Ryan will be back next week But this week we're joined by Molly and Molly actually you're still in high school. You're senior in high school and you're a Aerospace enthusiast and I asked pre-show if you were going to go into aerospace When you went into college because you were going to college next year and you said Concur Despite all despite all the advice My math skills are not up to par At least that's what I thought a couple years ago and I kind of chose my track Oh, she already knows that we're gonna give her give her a hard time over that one. So yes Arguably you don't need hardcore math skills to be in aerospace You sure it all depends on what you're going to go into and you said you were looking at full I was at philosophy or communications were those to do Yes, so if you wanted to go into aerospace Our of those too, I think communications would give you the better option because you know, we need to communicate Yeah, to do people. Yeah, some groups. Yeah Hey depends on the company But legitimately like these aerospace companies have communications crews and so you don't need Not everyone in aerospace is An engineer working with hardcore math all the time No, and if math is not your strongest suit, but you want to work in aerospace That's okay. If you go to the SpaceX website in the careers page right now, you go to the Blue Origin website I assume Virgin orbit and galactic. I'm turning this way. I assume it's the same. Yes, they have websites You know, I'm getting that though. You're gonna find you're gonna find literally hundreds If not thousands of available positions inside of aerospace that do not require this is gonna be an episode I'll tell you that much right now that do not require math. So Regardless, you're young. You can do whatever the heck you want to do. Yeah, I mean, there's some there's really good I mean Ritter just made a really good point here, which is that I'm an aerospace engineer a calculator works great Yeah, yeah, actually does get your TI 84 C's out everybody actually I was talking with someone not that long ago I don't know we were reminiscing about Technology and they actually had I think it was a TI 80 series. I don't remember which one it was nice I was old school old school. I got a TI 84 C. Is that the color one? Yes Yeah, I never I'm too old for the color one. So those didn't exist. I just had the it was a big deal when they had So I started with the like the regular display like they're just The lines. Yeah, and then after that they had one that made like a graphing display Like this is like an LED or yeah, that was like the tail end of me in school like that. Yeah I had a TI I'm old in high school I had a TI 82 To get me through math and that one dealt with lines and then I had to start dealing with more than one line at a time So I was like I need colors Bumped it up that I could work with that So I put out a call so because Ryan couldn't make today I put out a call on the Tweety birds and I asked if anyone wanted to join Molly was like it I'd like to join so here we are the nice thing is actually can we go to Molly's image full screen really quick? You got some cool stuff in the background, so I just I was in Molly's room. I was able to see Like you've got I think it's a slightly out of frame now, but you've got like a star shape over there There's a Saturn 5 on the wall. I think it's out of frame. Yep. There's Starship There's a space shuttle Atlantis right over there And then on the wall you've got a there's the only true space shuttle. It has to be Atlanta That's clearly challenger. Yeah, wait why no, it's not it's actually not. It's not just neither. Oh You oh, I don't think Jamie understands. I don't I'm missing something All right, anyhow, we'll tell you we'll tell you Okay, I feel dumb now. No, you're not done. Well. Yeah, actually but kind of but whatever and then a What else have you got in there? I can't quite see there's like a Tesla thing Yeah, a little Tesla sign and then let's see Falcon 9 Worcester landing. It's a 3D printed model. Nice. And then I've got the Lego International Space Station up there. Oh, I missed the ISS the Lego ISS up there. That's pretty cool. Sweet And then you've got your own model rocket somewhere in there. I think it's out of frame now Yeah, it is but I I do that kind of stuff on and off Definitely not the highest level, but I enjoy And honestly, it's A great learning experience all around learning how to deal with lots of systems all at once and Lots of points of failure and how do you deal with all that stuff in conditions where you Never dealt with before so Speaking of points of failure. Do you have to deal with approximately? I think we all know where I'm trying to go here No, do you have approximately 344 points of failure in any one of those things? I would never go that high risk. Yeah, I know that'd be weird, right? You wouldn't want to go that high risk on anything. That'd be weird, wouldn't it Jared 300 and that's just a random number I'm bringing up 344 single points of failure. It seems like a really High number of single points fail. You wouldn't want to put that on any First off any mission at all right, let alone a milestone mission Right Jared right Jared Right James Webb space telescope, could you remind me Once again on James Webb space telescope. How many single points of failure are there on James Webb space telescope? I just don't remember. It's it's like two or three, right? It's 344. No, it's 344 Single points of failure single points of failure That's okay. Because if there's a problem, we'll just send a servicing mission up there to fix it like we did with Hubble, right? No So i'm that fun and awkward note. Why don't we go ahead and get started Jared? What's exciting you about space this week? Is it the 344 single points of failure? No, it's not actually Because that never excites me that frightens me. That's a real number by the way. Yes I'm not making that up. I had to actually go back and look in my discord room to see what the real number was It's 344 It is 344 and uh, I will be crying Actually, I think for pretty much the whole month of january. I will be holding a pillow And rocking back and forth softly saying please Please So what's exciting? What's not terrifying you? What's exciting? So, uh, this is jared. We're talking about everything terrifying. Oh brad. Oh brad. That's terrible And I love every minute of it brad asks Uh, I can't hit the button. Is it 344 single points of failure or 10 billion points of failure 10 billion dollars points of failure Yeah, well, you know, what's uh, what's a tripling of the budget amongst friends, right? Tripling I I don't know. I can go up to oct. What what is actually deck tuple? All right. I'm sorry I Ryan said I 3 344 an imperial is 10 plus years. Oh, this is a this This is the joke that just keeps on giving jared Oh, you know between this and starlink everything's terrible right now. Um, anyways It's too bad the people in the chat room are nuts. I'm not snarky Oh, man. Um, so, uh, yeah, thanks everybody. I appreciate the faith and and everything that's going on So something that's uh, I at least have found interesting this week is that the federal aviation Just announced today, of course dumping the the story on friday that they are actually going to be stopping handing out wings for commercial astronauts They're literally going to be wrapping up the program on december 31st of this year. That's it They're not handing out wings anymore if you fly suborbital and you clear, you know, whatever altitude We'll hear in the united states at least 50 miles. Um, whatever 50 miles are and, um, Once you hit that altitude you get your wings as long as you've done something important because the fAA Changed all the determining factors as to how you would get your wings So either had to do something That was like noteworthy like walley funk flying. Um, and I imagined william shatner as well being even older than walley funk Getting his wings for that and it or do something of some substance So I guess you could say the whole crew of uh, what was it vs? vs 22 I believe whatever the technic whatever the thing virgin galactic The first one that they did with whatever they leveled their first one and yeah I guess you could hand it to all of them for being the testers of the first uh first flight of a uh, uh spaceship to um, but no the fAA At this point has basically said that uh, regardless Of what you're doing you're not going to get astronaut wings. So we're done handing off astronaut wings to people We're not going to pin them on your chest anymore after december 31st. Uh, if you go, uh over 50 miles By that point we'll put your name on a web page and congratulations You're now on a list on a web page of people who've been to space, but this is a good thing, isn't it? You know, I feel like it's a good thing um, because I feel like there is a difference between somebody who say is going Uh on a flight To the international space station as opposed to somebody who just purchased a seat on a new shepherd Um, to me there's a very big difference between the two. Yeah, right like when you're flying commercial airliners You know, you don't you don't get your own Air pilots wings. Well, I always ask if they have them, you know, because I just want to make sure you know situation ever comes Why can't we do the same thing on a suborbital flight too? Like if you want the wings, you gotta ask and be like, hey, hey I mean virgin so virgin galactic and blue origin have their own astronaut wings, right? They have their own that when you fly on them, they do that spacex has them for crew dragon as well as we Saw with the inspiration for mission. Um, so I don't see why those the company given Astronaut wings can't just replace the faa's commercial astronaut wings And it's also mostly too. I feel like because the fa probably just doesn't want to get into a big fight as to saying Who is and isn't a commercial astronaut on suborbital hops? Um, because On the supposed to be the next virgin galactic flight. You're going to be having a team from the italian air force actually working Uh doing experiments during the microgravity portion of it. Sure. So Oh Do they get astronaut wings because they're doing something of significance during this flight? But what if like Beth Moses is there again? Should she get like she's already got her wings Does this count as a flight for her since she's just basically going to be supervising the cabin? So like what do you do at that point? Your idea is that okay? It will diminish the amount of snarkiness with regards to the 50 mile versus 100 kilometer, which is a like what is that a 15 kilometer difference or so somewhere there. It's like someone can do the conversion for me But like I think 50 miles is like 84 kilometers or 82 kilometers something like that around there So the idea is that okay? No wings. We don't have to deal the fight goes away No problem anymore except that if they're putting their name on a website It's the same problem. It's just basically I flew really high I mean, that's is that I flew really high calm. Is that what they're making ultimately? That's what it feels like it's gonna be night flew really high calm little look My name is with all the other names of people who have flown really high except I just happened to drop a large sum of cash to make this happen So I mean to me It's basically the faa saying that we don't want to become arbiters of what's important and what isn't in suborbital space flight Because we want to make sure that this is something that actually can become an industry because we are so far behind on this So well, is it that or is it that we're getting to a point where or the faa is realizing? Hey, we're about to have a lot of suborbital commercial space flight passengers. Yes, like A lot that's coming up in the not too distant future here We've seen successful flights from blue origin and they've been able to repeat those flights, right? They've got a flight tomorrow. I was reading in the show notes beforehand, right? Yep, it's gonna fly six people see right first time They're loading up a new shepherd capsule with the maximum amount of crew that you can have on board So this will be the first human the first this will be the third human space flight that they've done This year alone, right? Yes, and they it's not like they started at the beginning of the year doing this stuff Like they once they hit the ground they kind of hit the ground running Yeah, so technically blue origin will have flown 14 people By the so far this year. I don't think they might have one more flight left in them I don't know. They'll probably announce You know, they're gonna announce that they've got their base on the dark side of the moon And they've got like 20 people up there. So actually that'd be kind of cool a new year's flight Yeah, that would be that's definitely some fireworks So I'd be I'd be there for that. Yeah. Well, hopefully you like good kind. Yeah, you know what I mean I guess I'm just clarifying for the people who are crazy. How much do you think You could pay blue origin to get the abort motor at the top Right to get the abort motor. Yeah Yeah, let's like once we're going up once we reach apogee Fire the abort motor so I can get so we could get a little bit more Don't you need that? But don't they fire the abort motor on landing? No, no, they don't fire different motors on landing How does she think that more of that would be Like I don't know, but if you were representative from blue, we'd like to know what the price of firing the abort motor at apogee would be Yeah, blue. Call me up. You keep taking people you keep taking really famous people on your flights. I'm not really famous Oh, no, he is but no, I'm not but You I would definitely go on a flight Jared is future famous that's There's an interesting question there too there's Would it be more effective if you ignited it after Like just after staging or at apogee I think that is a good question. Is it at actually is it even at apogee? Well, apogee would be the point where your It's the top part, but your speed is all you're already decelerating it by that point, right? I'd imagine that it's staging you're constantly decelerating as soon as you as soon as you Stop thrusting, right, right. So maybe apogee is your highest point So you you're saying it not at staging, but really it would be oh, no because staging There's no there's no additional firing of the engineer. You're totally right When they release the gum drop from the top of the the gum drop phallus Do they ignite the motor then or do they wait until it reaches zero velocity You're totally right because I was thinking when I think staging I'm like, you know second stage of the rocket, but that's totally wrong. Yeah. Yeah, I want to go high High and fast. Let's go Let's do this and and they've never had Humans on board when they've fired that engine, right? Yeah, that's why it would be really fun Is fun the word you're looking for that I don't know, but it sounds like it'd be a real fun kick in the pants I think you mispronounced terrifying Missed a few syllables. Do I go on roller coasters because I'm like gonna be like because I feel like I'm in control So all right two questions because we asked this of ryan. We haven't asked this molly molly Would you first up first question would you go to space? Yes, yes, I would okay. Would you go to the moon? It's a three day journey there three day journey back and you can spend however much time you want there as little as one day as much as a week Are we saying on the early Artemis missions to land on the moon or later on? No, I think at this point we've got some However, you want to get there. Yeah, I think I think the the point of this exercise is there's some habitation there already, right? So You've got some have modules. You've got some available food. You won't be eating bugs the whole time Fair Okay, crickets and chocolate are good. Just no No, thank you. No, thank you. Thank you. You All right, thank you. So moon. Yeah moon. Yes or no Yes, I would go to the moon. Okay. And the last question is how about mars So you've got a we'll call it a six month journey there a six month journey back and you need to stay there for a year minimum I I don't think I would not yet Okay, so now the final question which we can add to so I believe ryan is still the only person in the entire come on Dada, did we ask you these questions? Um I think at some point. Yeah, what were your answers really quickly. Um, so space. Yes, right? Yeah, I think I'd go to space moon Yeah, vacation trip. Okay. And mars Not right now. Okay. So the only person on the tomorrow crew Wait, I don't remember your answers. Well, you were no to mars as well, right? Yeah. No, not yet. Yeah, okay Yeah, so the only person on the tomorrow crew is so far Is is uh is ryan for the record. Okay. So now then the final the new question becomes Would you take a blue new shepherd flight? And then have them fire the abort motor Oh Because we know jared's answer jared's all like yes, we're going to do this. This is a thing that's happening The question is would you would you by the way jared, you're saying you would do that without them ever testing it? Beforehand above and beyond what they've already tested. Um, I would definitely want to see that Well, now that i'm hurting and injured like legit. Um, I would definitely want to take a grander at it Jared, yes Look, I understand that an abort system is not about comfort You know, it's basically like do you want to be comfortable? Or do you want to be alive and typically it's like I would like to be alive So yes, I understand that abort systems will often subject you to things like 10 to 15 g's to get you out of there Because that's the point. So yes, dada. I'm trying to be I'm trying to sell it here. Okay. I'm not trying to actually talk about when that soya is aborted at like 21 g's Okay, so look And basically compressed everybody's vertebrae and the guts. I think they didn't fly again Um, actually, no, I think one of them did fly again, but the other one was too injured with his back to do it again Um, but look, you've already got a compressed disc, dude Two, thank you very much. Maybe this kid maybe if I I just had an idea let me flip over zero g boots from the ceiling Let me flip. Yeah, attach me to the ceiling and then fire the abort motor and maybe I can like pop it back in Blue origin chiropractic services. That would be so good. I'm so for that No, like wouldn't you just need to ride madder horn once you should be fine. Well, I think that might have been the problem Disneyland jokes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry They can lay you over the uh center table with that's the abort motor and Yes, yep, okay. Yes, so Jared you're you're a yes, apparently with the abort motor I'm obviously no because I'm sane and uh dada. I assume you're no as well. Good god I don't want to be anywhere near as solid that large Yeah, okay next question Would you fly on blue because you're gonna be near if you do the act of flying Put you next like you look when you're sitting there You you just reach out your hand and touch the abort motor. It's the elephant in the middle of the of the conference room Yes, it is Would you are you okay flying on that? Okay, and I'm gonna ask these same questions of everyone in like leaving your comments Same questions, right? Would you go to space? Would you go to the moon? Would you go to mars? And then would you fly with that giant abort engine sitting right next to and would you fly? Would you like to have that motor fired off either at apogee or at stage sep? What do you think leave it in the comments below? I'd love to know what you're thinking. Okay, okay Do you doubt just now or just just put this in perspective? I I don't think that blue origins capsule is much larger than you and jared are apart Yeah, that's about right seems a part right? Yeah internal volume, right? Yeah. Yeah, so in between you Uh-huh is a giant engine giant solid rocket motor. Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, yeah, and yeah Yes, and All right, anyhow, yeah Is the casing oh, sorry go ahead. No, no, no, no ask your question I'm just gonna say if the is the casing Um strong enough to sustain the pressures if it were to malfunction like would the people in the capsule be Uh gone Or would it protect them still? I I don't know what their tolerances would be for that Are you asking if it's made by cesarone or aerotech? I I have an aerotech. I have an aerotech and it's good. I was gonna say hang on. Let's let's let's but I mean there's no They they fired it once is it really only been well, we don't know that they fired it in flight once I think so Yeah, well, well, we actually don't know that either. There's a possibility. They flew more and we didn't know I thought they did a blue abort and then an apogee abort Oh, did they haven't they done it twice? Yeah, they would imagine they've probably done it Twice of some kind Internet saying twice if they didn't do a pad abort, then you know Two isn't a pattern yet. I mean, hey, I figure if I'm down to ride on a spaceship, too you know, then Why not totally down to ride on a new shepherd? That's fair. So I'd ride him. I'd ride on both of them Yeah, me too. Yeah, although spaceship two looks like hang out. Hang out. I'd ride on both of them I think where you and I differ is I don't want them to take the abort engine And fire it outside of its nominal sequence. That's fair. That's fair. That's not okay. Okay. That's fine I'm I do that But I'm also very much looking forward to that flight tomorrow because I want to see just how cramped and uncomfortable it is with six people You know, I don't think it will be I don't think it will be because like Okay, this is gonna sound pretentious and I don't know how to make this not sound pretentious But I've been inside of dragon so many times Sorry And the the thing is there's like three-dimensional volume there, right? I understand that You know, you It's not as cramped as I think you might think it is like you can You can get those chairs kind of rotating around the outer perimeter and you have enough of your own room To actually be quite pretty comfortable without Feeling like you're crammed in there like a sardine. I just feel like it's different than like a car I feel like every time I'm looking at them when they're in flight or something like that They're having to Bend parts of their bodies in order to fit in certain areas I don't know if that's just because they're in microgravity and they're not used to being in microgravity Or something like that But like when I was when you watch the virgin galactic flight It looks almost effortless for them to move around the cabin inside of that But but the past two flights I've seen with new shepherd It looks like everybody's kind of got to cooperate in order for them to move to certain areas I think that's a fair evaluation and I I think you know based on having not flown on either one of them I feel like I'm obviously No Thanks, Jared. Oh, well, yes, you're an authority then Thanks, Jared. Not so pretentious now No, but I have cut open my head on that stupid hatch Ouch. Yeah. Yeah, that is exactly what I said. That definitely sounds like a word's only story Those were the words I said. Yeah, I wish no like that's the end of the story Is I I didn't know what I was doing. I would got him grabbed on a handle wrong and hit my head on the thing Oh, I feel so sad for you. I know the chat room is not giving me any sympathy whatsoever Oh, it's apparently a rite of passage. Michael weaver says Oh dragon ride a path cutting your head on the stupid hatch thing. Yeah, you've some blood, you know, remember, right? Yeah, I got some agar All right, so, uh, we we got way off topic Sorry, and then you were talking about um, james web space telescope and 344 points of failure No, no the astronaut wings that was it. Yeah, and I also did want to include in this too That they are going to be giving commercial astronaut wings to the Two pilots that were on board of vss enterprise during the accident. Oh, that's nice of them Yeah, so they'll be getting they'll be getting them before the end of the year So dumb question. What did they reach for apogee on that flight? Oh, I don't know. Okay. They don't care. It doesn't matter. It's it's symbolic Yeah, okay. So I mean that's fair like yeah, I don't disagree on me Yeah, I would like I you said I was like Maybe they did make it like maybe they did make it. No, I think it was I think they were maybe I want to say like 60,000 feet something like that. So maybe maybe yeah Yeah, no, it was it was not high up at all because it was very it was very short Right after the initial start of the engine when that happened So right so we're all kind of in agreement that this is a good thing. Yeah, like I think it is I don't need to do this. I appreciate that they're at least putting out a web page We're gonna put everybody's names. So now I could be like, yes, I've paid a quarter of a million dollars to get my name on a web page So that's not why you're doing it. No, but some people you watched us You watched his blue screen william shatner when he came back you watched him on the ground Yes, and he was in an infinite loop. Yes, right. He was blown away. He was broken by the overview effect I know the best possible way and that like that's what you're spending the money for yes, exactly That's what I want. I mean, I feel that way when I go in an airplane I have no idea how I'm gonna feel when I like I can only imagine a rocket's gonna be like a hundred thousand times that I will probably black out at some point during the mission simply because Uh, I'm so excited to be there My heart will just reach a point where it's just like no, we've got to shut them down for a couple seconds here So because I mean I just like I yeah, I see I can't even do it right now I'm thinking about it on air. Hang on. Hang on. It'll look a little bit like that Yeah, okay. That didn't get you the same way. Okay, great. Uh, Harry Harry had a good comment since uh, shatner showed us what it's all about that. I felt the same way Right, because it it felt a little bit like a gimmick before he went into space, right? I was like, uh Yeah, gimmicky like whatever and then he came back and you watched him try to mentally process What was going on and I was like That that's what that's it. There it is. Yeah, that's what this is all about. That's why we do this This is why suborbital flight is actually important because it gives it gives you a new perspective On humanity as a whole right on the planet on humanity like a positive Good perspective on everything. Yep. And so like yeah, I saw that was like, uh-huh. There we go People don't come back from space a-holes I guess is how I would say it. I don't know what's going to happen when data comes back No, even bigger All right, uh, let's uh you anything else we moving on moving on. Yeah, I think we're good to go Yeah, I stretch that out way longer. I've lost I've lost hundreds of viewers and that Molly, so what are you excited about in space this week? Um, I wouldn't say this is exciting as much as interesting but the Uh, I'll pull it up here the nasa to secure additional commercial crew transportation That's just the blog post name but talking about how Because uh starliner is not able to reach It's the operational status in time They're adding some more dragon flights in between the two the rounds of the commercial crew contracts Um, just simply because there wouldn't be enough Dragons otherwise or dragon flights contracted in order to get um To have continuous us occupation of the space station So I just think that's really um now i'm not I think bowing has a lot of issues, but I also think that We can't say oh bowing is bad. You know that there are some people that do say that I there's so many brilliant people that work there But it does say something to the Differences between the two and also to the Um intelligence of nasa going with the uh redundancy of Contractors having more than one provider always a good idea Definitely, yeah, and I would say that probably it's a kind of piggyback on your idea that bowing has brilliant people working there um, I would say that starliner not working is definitely a It's definitely more a failure of management and and program management And how should we run this program and basically the people who thought Of how to run these programs and things like that as opposed to like the people Actually on the ground doing the work with it And uh, you know the second starliner flight is still now set for mid-year 2022 And then the crew test flight So remember it still has to do an uncrewed test flight because back in december of 2019 on its first Test flight over. It's been that long already. It has been it has been almost two years. I think. Wow I don't know to the day or whatever. Um, someone in the chat room will definitely um work with that Correct me on that, but yeah, it's been almost two years to be fair. COVID was in the middle of that Yes, and I feel like you get a year gimme. Yes, right? You get a look you get some gimme But at the same time you get a year COVID gives you a year gimme at the same time the report that came back about the first flight test for starliner Which basically this shouldn't have happened to begin with what the heck are you guys doing? So Yeah, but that's also why we test. Yes, exactly. But also at the same time There was a sort of a level of like this is why we test but but Holy you know what? What are you doing? You know kind of kind of idea with it So now the second one is going to happen sometime mid next year and then they get to do a crude test Wait, you assume that that one will work Well, yes I hope so The the additional reports that have come out of nasa basically said that boeing has gotten it together on that front and At least in the issues that were originally plaguing them, which was software Now they apparently need to relearn how teflon works but With With how that works now What it's a it's been it's established. It's been around for a while So and if y'all need any help you'll come to my kitchen because I got teflon and it works pretty well there anyways Yeah, it's uh, there's definitely a cultural component to this and I I think I'm in agreement with nasa saying that they are changing those things. Um, of course then, you know valves But hey, nobody's perfect and uh, oh boy, am I hoping that they fly safely the first time Not the third or fourth time Um with it here. So it's almost as if industry industry shouldn't regulate themselves Yeah, you know what I think um, I you know And I think it also wasn't starliner that taught us that as well I feel like there was something else involving boeing and in and boeing regulating themselves with it as well I can't I just can't put my my finger on it what it could have possibly been but yeah, so Yeah, just overall not a good situation with that there, but hey three additional dragon flights. So it's pretty good um, and uh, yeah, actually I was just checking here real quick the schedule on things So the boeing officials are saying that yes, they're gonna they're looking at options to launch in the first half of 2022 And then that would push the schedule for the first post certification mission to 2023 So we won't see we won't see starliner flying until the year after next So no, I mean we're flying with humans Yes, well, you know 2022 is right around the corner. Yes, I understand this but 2023 is a year away And that's when the humans will fly for the first time Yes, but you already said earlier in the show that that terrifies you anytime. There's a yes Well, it's her anytime that We're flying meat. I get I get extra scared. Sure. So first of all, I'm already scared of rockets Because let's face it. That's a lot of energy and you're having to control that Like I think once you I think once you learn more about rockets It kind of scares you even more because you're like these things are like right at the limits of Of capability like tolerances have to be not not near perfect, but pretty much perfect Materials have to run as they do You know Like a million things have to go right and it only takes one thing to go wrong and that's That's pretty frightening. Okay, I don't disagree with you. Yeah, but I also disagree with you in that Sure, but they're You're not running these you're making it sound like you're running these all the way to the tolerances of the materials themselves But you're not no you're in fact You kind of are on paper with regards to making sure that you've got so much overhead in your tolerances That you can never actually approach those failure or fatigue modes in real life flight Usually Usually exactly but like once you understand what they are Yes, that's the thing is and as I think something that not a lot of people understand is that in order to make the vehicle safe You have to blow it up. Yes Fundamentally, you got to break it. I say blow it up, but you got to break it Right. Yes, you got to take all of these components to Dutta's point and you need to turn it to 11 Right and be like, oh, did it break? No. Okay. Turn it to 12. Did it break? No turn it to 13 Did it break? No, you got to do that and you have to do it to Dutta's earlier point You got to do that a few times Like one data point if you're like, oh, well, it broke at this number isn't enough Like you've got your analysis. So I think my point is like, yeah, yeah And you also have to break it in multiple ways Right, you have to understand you have to understand the tolerances of tolerances of these things Um, which is why I'm a fan of reusable rockets because you get them back and you can look at them I mean, you can understand this data. I know What a concept. Are you kidding me? Right. Are you kidding me? But The future is now Jared But but I but I think I don't think these are things that are like we're right up against the red line and like This is as far as you know Anything can go and there are a lot of things that have to go right And it is fun to say, you know, a thousand things need to go right No, only one thing needs to go wrong, but I'm not sure that's entirely true either There are redundancies on a lot of these systems on a lot of rockets It's not like it's James Webb It's it's it's Dutta Dutta. Hey Dutta, can you cut to a close-up of Jamie real quick? Thanks Thank you. That was not show safe. That was not show safe Jared was very happy. He was very very happy with us. Yes. I'm just thrilled. I'm thrilled tonight I'm not thinking about throwing this can as hard as I can I'll show you redundancy. I think I think my point is this is um I don't I don't this I don't want to make this sound like this is the safest thing ever and like there's never going to be any problems But I think there's also sometimes this assumption that all of these things are at the edge of these tolerances and like They're really dangerous and like all that and I feel like the truth is somewhere in the middle That's a very very long way to say that I'll buy that I'll buy that it it is fundamentally dangerous But at the same time this is also being done by very smart people who know what they're doing at the same time Yeah, and there's a ton of testing that goes into these things. Yes from everyone right like from every rocket company like there's just a lot of testing There's a lot of experience from people as well who are deep into these things to me It almost feels like watching a skateboarder on a half on a really big vert vert ramp or vert half pipe, you know Like you know that they're going like hi You okay there, Jamie? I don't know. No, I don't know they're going high up and they're doing tricks But they've gotten the skills to be able to do this. They've practiced over years and they mostly know what they're doing So That's kind of what it feels like to me. Anyways, all right. So that analogy I'm going to take that analogy. We'll chuck it not out the rapid airlock. We'll just throw it out the airlock So, um, I do I do like this comment. No No, it is not Go to close up a Jared so everyone can see his shirt. It's just In fact, I think that's oh my god I I know the first shirt that we're going to bring back in our swag store. It's just going to say 344 on it With like the james web Like a mission patch 344 over a silhouette of the mirror Right come on come on internet you would buy that right I have played myself tonight I did not know that I was doing this at all So and I I'm now feeling like this doesn't bode well for the weekend either So internet you would buy that right you would buy a shirt that said 344 with like a james web patch of it, right? The chat room has has knocked me down. Oh, yeah, 344 winter jet. Oh my god I love this idea. I love this idea. I may actually make this happen. I think this would be great Oh, no, oh, please now the chat room is coming after I can't do this anymore. I'm getting stressed. I'm getting really stressed about I so first off I'm going to have a break. I'm going to give you a free 344 shirt I'm about to have one single point of failure here in a second So I expect you to wear the 344 shirt on launch day You know if you do that I will because I'll go ahead and go through my regular launch day things that I already do So and my routines and my my I love this so much stuff with that. Yeah, I'll go ahead. I'll do it Yes, I make it up. We need a 344 shirt make it happen. All right If there are any graphic designers out there who are better at design than I am shoot me design I will do some sort of something something we're going to make some 344 shirts just understand There's going to be 344 iterations of it before you get it improved No, oh Ryan Ryan asks if that shirt is red or green. That's actually a great question I hope it's green So that's actually a very old school comment in a way because back in the space vidcast days when we did shuttle launch coverage We had different shirts that we would put on They had stripes that went down the side and there were different colored stripes There were three different shirts We wore there was a one with a green stripe one with a red stripe and one with a gray stripe And whenever the mission was no go for whatever reason like weather range some sort of boat and boat My minnesotan came out the boat boat encroach and encroach Incursion Boat incursion Yeah, this is a lot of caffeine. This is the alani new cosmic stardust Not a sponsor. I just need caffeine That's their slogan that incidentally an obscene amount of caffeine. Yes. It's 200 milligrams of caffeine So I would I would change my shirt To whatever the status was and we wouldn't really ever point it out on air We would just kind of like I would just be sitting there and we go off air for a moment We continue talking and swap out for like a green or a red shirt and all of a sudden if I was wearing red You knew we were no go So that tradition kind of stuck with me when I started working at company x And I didn't really ever want it. I wasn't going to change my shirt in the control room. That would be weird So what I did is I forced everyone in the control room to always either wear green Or never wear red like those were kind of your you can wear any color, but you can't wear red And the only person I think I really ever gave an exception to Was uh in sprucker because he wore red one day and it was like a one of his lucky shirts or something something something I'm like fine. I'll allow it, but you need to not be in my control room So that's where that comes from. That's where that comes from. Should I do like daily updates? For tomorrow like ryan did for the inspiration for mission but about james web and as we're going along Yes, I can look more and more relaxed. Hopefully Oh, oh my god by long stay you'll have your hair made no and then as And then hang on hang on You know, there's gonna be a lot of fingers flying at the in our members only at the end of this There's gonna be a large quantity of expletives coming out of my mouth at many people in this studio I have another idea. I have another idea. So you start off by wearing the 344 shirt and as things start to unfurl And as different parts of the the spacecraft like you're like now you're down to 218 points of failure Your shirt will change to 218, right? Right? We just have been the number of potential failures left But I don't know how many points of failure are going with everyone. What's the initial number? It has to be because I don't think 344 includes the the launch the launch No, 340 So 345 Yeah No Wait, are we counting the individual parts of the launch because you have to remember they had to change stuff on the arian 5 Recently because they were getting concerned about things like the fairings. Yeah, so yeah Has the payload fairing been tested before? Uh, yeah, it was just yes. It's been flown twice and it got NASA's approval So does it does it have any single points of failure? I I believe like every payload fairing is in in and of itself a single point of failure I think so, right when you think about it Uh, yeah, so do we group the look okay? We're getting too deep into this at this point Yeah, 344 plus into the weeds into the weeds exactly. Oh, we're engineers. That's what we do We can't help ourselves We're gonna fix this problem for them right here right now This oh god, this happens in meetings too. I mean, I just I just starts to derail in this and you're like, we need to be here though We're going over here I just want to say that I really hope that if there actually is a problem that they can figure out a way to fix it So like what they're doing with lucy right now where they're working with with the solar array on nasa's lucy mission that hasn't fully deployed It's deployed enough that they could still do the mission with it as is But they're trying to get full deployment out of it and they have an idea They're just getting ready to try out that idea if only we had a debate about the service ability at james web space telescope Yeah, if only we had thought about like discussing the possibility of people approaching it or maybe a robot So maybe a robot. Yeah, maybe a robot because you know, it would just be that simple What I see you got for us jared Well, I did want to say that Hubble is back online as well So super excited that I don't know that I knew that it was offline. Yes. It went down again Um, its computer is just a old fritzy Oh, hell that's before you give the computer. Is it the computer's fault or is it radiation? It's radiation's fault, but it causes the computer to be a a Jerk It doesn't allow it to synchronize certain things inside of the systems. Sure, then Inhibits its ability to actually operate as it should to be fair radiation ripping through computers is a problem a hard problem to solve Yes, and it's like a legitimate issue on a lot of spacecraft. Yes, there's a ton of weight that has to go into Effectively rad protecting the computers on all of these space things turns out That's also not a single point of failure for Hubble So it's a regular point of failure. It's a consistent. It's it's it's called a consistent point of failure That's the difference a consistent point of failure. Yeah, so I think I just think it's like fantastic that it's now up and operating And I really hope that we can keep Hubble alive so that we can do Um, we could do co observations with james web Once james web is up and running by summertime 344 to go. I know i'm i'm counting We're gonna count down counting the points of failure, baby. So Um, and just it just like it would be really great to have them both working together, you know, like the the The first and the successor making it happen so And being able to do that at the same time being able to look at visible and infrared at the same time with an instrument of Instruments of similar quality. That's like I don't want to say unheard of But at least with space telescopes. Yes, it is unheard of and to combine that data together to crunch that data however You can you know, you know super computer with the systems that are in use. Yeah, it would just be Fantastic in order to get that and just combine that data and make really make it happen There's some really great comments from the chat room. The first one is from jens Which asks how many point of failures for the tomorrow show itself which I think is pretty funny I think it's just one me Um I like this one as well from our veil. I believe is how you pronounce that which is jared needs different colored shirts For whether Hubble is up or down that would be kind of fun The problem is that when Hubble goes down it's down for like weeks of the time Sure. Yeah, yeah, because you have to troubleshoot it from the ground. Yeah, so well at least it's not on mars That'd be even harder. Uh, yeah, but if it was what each command would take a minimum of seven minutes one way Yeah, but the thing is if it were on more so that would mean it would be in the purview of jpl Is it six minutes? Yeah. Oh Well, yeah, well, it's still be difficult to troubleshoot. You just know that they would fix it Yes, that's that's the difference. That's the difference never bet against jpl Never bet against jpl. Actually, um So tickle stuff says uh, spate. What are we looking at? What is that? Did you bring that up on air already? No, I don't what is it? Is that that weird disney movie that space movie? Yeah Oh my god, there's there's there's Hubble on the on the left there And james web on the right You might have that reverse data data. Oh, please no All right, so uh, so tickle stuff says space is hard radiation is hard and that's true Um, and then copper core actually has a really good point Which is considering the actual computers on board hub are over like 40 50 years old um Based will no kind of and and actually a lot of old Well, yeah, yeah, they're not yeah, they're not 80. So yeah, they're 40 that'd be 40. Yeah. Yeah, we're old data Yeah, that hurts doesn't like you start running the math and then you get sad. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sad now. Uh-huh Uh, so yeah, that's actually kind of impressive also like a lot of computers in space are fairly old because the The slower like power pc Chips just fair better with radiation. Yeah, exactly. Then like these really high speed which let's keep in mind like your latest Processors that you've got on the ground It's hard to keep these things stable with like full-on fans and liquid cooling and like you you put your laptop in your lap And you burn your lap imagine putting that in space where you don't have air to like help cool it down Plus you don't need it as well. Yeah, like we're not doing 8k video editing out in space yet taking in Yes, I understand But we're just taking in data and processing that data to bring it down and and other data like for telemetry and other things like that so so the the other Thing that I thought was interesting is I was making an argument for no We need faster processors because then you could do more right like think about having an iphone in space I like the imagery you could get back and you could pre compress it So you don't have to rely on the rf link as much. I think it was vax in the chat room. Who's like no, I don't need that What happens I don't I really don't I'm fine. Yeah, I have processor power to spare on my spacecraft I'm like, oh, I think it was him. I don't remember. Yeah, and if anybody's gonna be able to actually say I have processor power to spare on my spacecraft be vax it be him Yeah, so exactly there's also vax probably isn't gonna hit his head on a spacecraft Either so I don't know. He looks like he may have a couple times in the past He's got that crazy scientist like that mad scientist Dr. Oaken here. He's rocking it. It looks amazing. He's owning it. That's the best part Yeah, Joseph says faster rad hardened processors. Yeah, I agree like that would be nice Yeah, I don't know again if the if the satellite manufacturers don't want them and don't need them They'll they'll go for the less expensive more reliable parts every time Yeah, and that really is the key reliability You've I mean if you're launching something in space you want to make sure it works, right? Yeah, I think so Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of the theme for the next like I don't know two three months Molly most Jared and I have been talking this whole time You've been sitting there patiently and silently and I feel a little bit bad Did you have any other topics you wanted to talk about the answer can be no By the way, because I'm putting you on the spot now in the middle of a live show Um, I was just thinking while you guys were talking about the radiation things um There was an episode of a podcast radio lab. I'm sure people have heard of it um that talked about I believe it was in another country in a northern european country elections that were somehow affected by Bitflips from cosmic radiation. I don't remember the specifics of it, but It was I just remember it was very fascinating that These things down on earth the these very tangible things were affected by cosmic radiation Space weather dr. Scove would be very proud of you right now. Yes, uh space. What no space weather is very important A lot of people look at space weather, especially the space weather segments in like our space news And they're like, I don't understand. How does this impact me and it absolutely impacts everyone here on earth um And especially if you're an aerospace geek like it's also it's it can create a no-go criteria for a rocket space Space weather totally can yes, it doesn't very often. No, but it can it absolutely can Yeah, and I just kind of want to throw this out there too, which is that you know in the I think it was in 2010 Uh voyage or two went down all of a sudden We were just getting like a safe mode signal back from it and they had to basically work with that telemetry And I remember we're talking tens of you know tens of billions of kilometers away from the earth So it's not exactly like we can launch a servicing mission out to Voyager two real quick and uh, they they did some work on it And they ended up finding that it had basically had a single bit in its memory flip From zero to one and that's what knocked it out for such a long amount of time And they just basically reset it and then right about Voyager two came right back on well when it came back It was then known as veager. Yeah veager two So it was a star wars reference for you all it was looking for it's great star Oh I'm sorry internet. I'm out. I'm sorry ouch. I'm sorry ouch ouch ouch ouch. It's okay coppercore has a good nerd joke It was very oh you might want to put your headsets on dud is gonna say something funny. I think Well, oh So Yeah, was that the veritas same video Yeah There you go. Uh, they had it had 40 96 votes Wow, that's a few votes. That's a bit flip. That's a bit of a flip there. Yeah, so yeah, it's a nerd joke. Yeah That's pretty tough. That's pretty tough. I will never leave you either. I will never live that, you know The worst part is I was just watching uh I almost said I should oh god. How can I say this so I really upset the most number of people the wrath of Ray no star wars 2 star wars 2 into darkness There you go Oh, yes, that's welcome That is that is gonna make I was watching star trek into darkness though and I was like, I don't know that reminded me That movie reminded me how good star wars 2 wrath of con actually is Is that terrible I still don't like earwigs You don't like my what earwigs those little the little pincher bugs From seeing that movie as a child You know, I don't know a lot of people who look at an earwig and go how delightful Look at the little thing I just want to stay away from my ears I could have said war's trek No, anyhow, all right. Have we run out of hardware wars hardware? Lord of the wars. Oh god, I was just gonna ask if anybody Out of you have watched the expanse. I'm assuming someone has right So I've seen bits and pieces of it, uh, but not I've seen like an episode or two But not the entire thing. I saw all of season one I really like the expanse with the bits where it was talking about like the political bits the verge of war between Mars and earth And kind of like how you had the belters and how they were kind of like completely and totally neglected And I was really fascinated by that and then they added the proto element. I think it was or whatever they call it They lost me on that That's where they just kind of I didn't enjoy that much I felt the same way initially But it really comes back if you watch the newer seasons it really is very representative of a lot of political things and It just really makes you think there's a lot of Retaliation from the belt. I won't spoil anything but you essentially get the belt retaliating and potentially depending on your view overstepping that retaliation into just violence and revenge And how do you differentiate those and it's it's a very interesting look at things That exist today and things that could exist in the future and It's I think it's one of the best science fiction works ever created in my opinion I'll get a lot of hate for that. That's a very bold opinion Jen said that is a very bold opinion Allow me to introduce you to an art an author named, uh, Andy Weir. Uh, sorry Jen Jen said you should read the expanse that might be a good that might be a good way to do it Is like maybe i'm just having a hard it so he says I agree. Oops. I missed missed missed. Oh, apparently people are agreeing with you. Wow. All right Okay, all right, and we've gone into sci-fi so I feel like this might be starting to turn into a Post-show type conversation. Yeah, just because we're we're exiting kind of actual aerospace type stuff I did want to say uh that uh, just some props to united launch alliance for their Flight this week on stp3 because they set a new record with their centaur For endurance on that for the centaur upper stage So oh just for like I didn't know this for like burn time or for what for total time between burn and deployment So seven hours 10 minutes So That's a long time. That's a long time to keep liquid hydrogen liquid and liquid oxygen liquid I think can you imagine if you're on console for that? Well, you have to be right. Yeah, like That's a long day. That is. Oh, how bad Do you think they shift? Yo, that's a long day. That is a long day. Yeah So, yeah, they might have congrats to them. That's pretty cool. Yeah I just thought that was a neat thing a little neat factoid that I remembered from this week Is that they set the new upper stage endurance record? Do you have other neat factoid? So what's that any other neat factoid? Um, yeah, there's 344 single points of failure For this james web space telescope. Is that the title for the show 344 single points of failure and james web space telescope? Did we just uh That sounds awfully clickbaity. Yeah, it does. Yeah, except that Except that it's completely true. It's completely true. And I feel like that's what we spent the most amount of time talking about on this particular episode. So like, yeah 344 you guys need to make an album called 344 That's it I was gonna say 344 single points of failure is the name of my punk band So would all of your songs fail? Will they be like just oh my god? Okay. We've we have exited the show We have done we have done that. Uh, so they all end prematurely I do want to thank everyone for joining us today. It was I'm sorry for the awkward Although no, I'm not. Uh, you know, so this show I should have set this up front. 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