 Let's call the Monday January 10th architecture review board meeting to order Steve if you would call the roll Joe Clark older person savaglio Jerry Jones Richard Lindy Pam Langen Robert Heimraul Does not appear to be here and Dave Aldig are not here and if everyone would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Any potential conflicts of interest for our board members this afternoon? Hearing none will move to item 2.1 the approval of the minutes from way back on November 22nd Motion from Jerry second from Marcus any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor if I base saying aye aye opposed It was approved Brings us to item number 3.1 The proposed construction of a new Tommy's Express car wash at 3627 Washington Avenue Frontage Road the former Perkins restaurant If that team could come to the podium I believe the other handheld Mike was there and give us a brief description of Your very interesting building and what you're proposing Good evening commissioners. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you today My name is Peter Schwabby. I'm with Peter Schwabby, Inc. We're a general contractor and we're working with Steve Killian, Jr With the Killian group We are a contractor who's built multiple times in Schboig and before and The Killians asked us to come and help them present to you with this a new state-of-the-art car wash located Washington Steve why don't you come up and introduce yourself? Great. Thank you, and thanks for the opportunity. I'm Steve Killian, Jr. My family and I are very excited to hopefully bring a new state-of-the-art Tommy's Express car wash We think it'll be a great addition to the community here We've been very involved in the community for many years We actually own and operate the McDonald's restaurants here in Sheboygan So we're very familiar with the community and excited to show you what we've put together for today. So thank you So the the from an architectural standpoint We'll go to the the first picture as you can see here I'll just give you a very brief overview. This is about a 5,200 square foot building located on a 1.6 piece of acre piece of property as was mentioned the former Perkins vacant property right now near the corner of Washington Avenue just east of I-43 We we position this in on the site so it can be have a good looking Entrance there or you can see coming in from the off of the main road That should be a side entrance a frontage road entrance here The cars will enter all through the the canopy here Come through and come out here on the on the on the back side of it is this building is a pre-manufactured Metal structure made with ACM metal panels for the red the black and the white There is also you'll see these are aluminum or I'm sorry property of stainless steel metal metal pieces that Will go along here along with a composite material here if you'd like to be happy to pass around a material board Here you go. Sure To give you a feel for how this is laid out This is the site here. This is Washington. This is the And access point right along here with the frontage road. There is currently a Gas station on a very hard corner and then another business on this site and Our property will be access start off the frontage road on the North side of the property again, the cars will drive through the back side here the the south side and Exit out here and have a choice of going and using the vacuum system over here to the They'd be to the east of the property or exit out back in the north side of the property From an elevation standpoint You notice that it's attractive building with glass to allow a lot of light to flow through the inside of the building While people are going through it It had also set with two towers here one tower is 24 foot tall the other 28 The the 28 foot tower building will have on the first level the control center where someone will be able to stand and see all Activity at one time what's going on and the second story of the training and management office up there With that I'd like to turn it over to you to see if you have any questions To help me better explain it Think I just need a fancier car to be able to take it there No questions or comments from my end yet anyone other board members questions This is the first one that's being built in Sheboygan Steve can you answer the question as far as other locations of this? Sure, so there's a few other in Wisconsin there's one in wasa I believe and then there's in the Southeast in Wisconsin, Milwaukee area. There's two two or three that are actually called coast car washes That was the original concept and now Tommy's has started to Tommy's Express is starting to franchise these so across the country Or across the Midwest. There's spot 60 of these right now With a pretty aggressive growth plan but they've been in the car wash business for close to 50 years now as a family and This is just their next step in evolution here and like like it was mentioned It's really a state-of-the-art facility and even with the light that comes into the car wash It's an entirely different field than the typical dark tunnel that you would go through when you go through a car wash And it's really inviting from that standpoint. So we just think like I said, it's a new state-of-the-art car wash We're excited about so Maybe if you could talk just a little about the mechanical systems and if there's any of that visible Or if that still needs to be designed at all How it integrates with the rest of the massing it's a great a question I have to I'll be honest with you You know, I'm not the expert on the actual system itself I and if you need me to I can get a expert on a phone With with with Tommy's however, I can say this is a system that had that like already being used throughout Wisconsin and a half to the locations as well as around the country the system in essence one of the one of the Technological advances of it. I will tell you it has more of a magic carpet system Then they roll the old-fashioned rolling track to move cars through because of that They're able to move cars through almost twice as fast and you would in a typical a typical car wash Did you see out there today which allow is obviously not only for a good washing system? But also for helping that you know the the citizens of should wait and get the car washed a little bit faster Yes, oh Okay, thank you You know Great I Do not have those details up with me today, but I can get them for you if that would be alright Or I can get someone on a phone immediately tell us how that how that works, so Typically without that information we'd make that a requirement of the submittal that that be submitted to the city for approval So that we can make sure we don't end up with a monstrous rooftop unit Absolutely, I can tell you that there's two hours. There's two towers out on there our bathtubs that shield Only protects people to go up to to take care of things up there But also shields view from things but we can confirm with you the visibility or lack of visibility of any HVAC units That are going to be on top or mechanical on top of it the majority of the mechanicals for the for the system itself are going to be inside The north tower is there they have a literally a lower level and a mess level where all of their their Mechanical systems for their state-of-the-art car washer are stored. So it's such a streamlined building It would just be ashamed to ruin those lines with some ugly mechanicals with a mechanical popping out of top of it Yes, what you're what you're seeing there is is what it will look like in the day So if your viewpoint you're seeing here today If there's a transformer like you're looking at right there We will do the best we can to shield those things with landscaping from here to there I do have a landscaping plan and we'll be working with your Landscaping department right now. We have a transformer plan to be in the same location that you saw in a video And as you can see she does have some bushes Surrounding it to help shield that from the view of the public Marcus Thank you very much. I could use my projection voice without the mic, but the people at home wouldn't be able to hear me I My question would be why the location for the transformer there and not off to the side or shielded like by a Enclosure of some kind like where trash would go to great. It's a great question I've we found with many of the buildings that we built that we energies have certain requirements of how close Transformers have to be to building so we're making the pre-subption that this matches what other what other buildings we've built how close they've wanted it If it is a requirement of the city and we energy is Concurrent for us to move it to a different location such as the existing location. We have further off right there Thank you. We will definitely consider that as an option We place it on there to show that to the space near the building if we energy wants it to be that close to Mechanical room where direct connection to the building would be The we we would be more than happy to consider all the locations if if they are open to it Thank you very much for that clarification I'm looking at the site plan and I'm looking at your parking area And I see some unusual shapes in the area where the cars would be parked look like little Martian umbrellas or something Could you bring up the the about Tommy's and assure you should show some next one down Further right there. We probably can't zoom into that on the first as efficient processing Nope, that's not it either. Let's see. Are you able to bring up the PowerPoint presentation that I've given to you? Okay, we have a we have a PowerPoint presentation It has additional photos of the inside and the outside of the building and he will show you I'll show you a closer up of the vacuums is the answer as you said there. They're looking at that plan there There's about 20 of those triangular shapes And those triangular shapes allow for Vacuums that hang that hang over and allow people to get both sides of their car to vacuum. So I hope that answers your question Okay, thank you, commissioner Any other questions or comments? Pam Pass the mic so the people online can hear So this is the fanciest car wash I've ever seen and I love to have a clean car So I'm pretty excited. This is going in. Is there anything is the inside all it's all car wash Or is there an area for snacks or food or a it is the inside is 90% car wash if you bring that picture you just pulled up there showing it'd be a nice shot of the inside On the PowerPoint. He just had a second ago Is 90% our wash there's in there's what the inside looks like as you can see it's very open very light very airy The on his left side of there is the mechanical room where you see the glass door And then right we're standing right now is the central control room There is not a location for people to come in and get peanuts and sandwiches and stuff like that It's it's meant primarily for the employees to have to see what's going on and take care of the customer Thank you sure look at that You stay in the car correct I Was thinking you get out and they push your car through Yeah, great so we There'll be three lanes of traffic So the inside lane will be for a cashier if someone wants to pay with cash And then the next two outside lanes will be set up to either recognize your license plate if you've bought a monthly subscription Or you can use an app as well So the those two lanes are meant to let cars bypass that are monthly members and the inside lane is for cash You'll then pull in there'll be someone that'll you know greet you and you know wave you on and it's it's not the typical rollers That you see in a car wash it's we'll call it a magic carpet So it's much easier to get on and it's and it's very smooth It'll take you through our tunnel and like we said that the light is a really big plus You don't realize how great the light is in a car wash until you've actually experienced this before And then we've got your cargo clean You'll it'll be dried off You'll have the option to go to the vacuums or keep on going and it's a very fast and efficient way to have your car Washed it also has the ability to there's quite a few car washes where you have a bigger Not a not a bigger like pickup truck have a hard time getting through where this car wash will allow those trucks to To get through as well, which is another benefit of the car wash Yes, yep, you're the customer would you do it that we and you never have to get out of your car You can pull right in and like I said once you have a few purchase them off the subscription It's a really efficient way to get through the car wash Question for you on the in the glass What i've seen in previous car washes that have had glass especially in the winter you get the fogging The staining and it's hard to get that out if you found a way to prevent it from doing that Not necessarily the steaming up but but you know where you get the sea bitch and the water build up inside And you get the stains that are permanently there You know we so I can't answer that entirely I could tell you that as part of the operation of this is an hourly cleaning schedule that we're going through Pressure washing the floor and work And so the details that I don't know but they've the system they've put together is very it's been very impressive And I could tell you I was at at their headquarters recently in holland michigan And it was cold and and there didn't seem to be a problem, but I unfortunately I don't have more for you today So I can't tell you that as part of the system on the top of the top above the glass There are venting systems to also help the Some when it gets too humid in for some of the air to flow out Um, but depending upon the the time of the year whether those vents are open or not will will very greatly Oh, it's a fun building If there are no more questions or comments, I would entertain a motion You have a motion and a second that's uh with the condition of submittal of the mechanicals for approval of staff Everyone is clear on what we're voting on All those in favor signify by saying I opposed The motion is passed All right. Thank you very much commissioners alderman. Thank you so much What is your time frame for the project a time frame it all depends upon the city We probably will be we're shooting for a late fall opening Which of course all depends upon the architectural approvals and the construction commencement dates So we're looking forward to it. Good luck to you. Thank you All right, that brings us to item 3.2 the proposed construction of a new courtyard hotel by marriott Uh south of the fairfield in location on south taylor drive Uh, if your team would come to the podium make introductions and give us a brief overview of what you're proposing, please Sure. I'm lukas peter with emanate design The architect on the project of stan raymaker. He is owner's rep for whiskill hotels who Did the phase one? Fairfield project just north of the site. So that's split here So, um, this one is a again a marriott product Courtyard four stories 49 foot Six inches high 117 rooms With a indoor pool The exterior cladding is primarily efis and Fiber cement vertical fiber cement panels and then there's just some miscellaneous exposed steel like the carport That'll have some stamp concrete below it And then as well as some awnings in the back the like trellis type awnings that have Some red cedar screenings And then as you come back here, uh, this is the the southeast side of the site All mechanical equipment will be screened and then a courtyard kind of has a Dedicated courtyard that feeds off of the interior lounge and bistro bar that's inside um, that is a um, a full functioning kitchen um And uh, and again the screening on the outside is There's just a molding down on the bottom or a base that is covered in efis and then again with some um red, uh red cedar Um fencing for either screening or or the privacy part of it um The uh, there's a dumpster um on the northeast corner that'll be made of uh split face block That will have a trash recycle and then as well as a attached shed for um, just some some site maintenance for the owner um, and then we are proposing to Put uh or combine the sign that uh is currently there for the fairfield To make it a fairfield courtyard One combined uh sign Steve yeah the board May recall that we had previously approved a fairfield So that fairfield when you take a look at the the site plan if you wouldn't mind Bringing up the computer just a minute scat with the site plan Um, you can see this is the existing Fairfield and then this is the proposed courtyard So the front when you're taking a look at it is facing Interior to this parking area or to kind of the back of the fairfield The side and kind of the rear Sides of the new courtyard are probably the most visible from i 43 and taylor compared to that front Just so everyone knows in terms of how the building lies on the site And you know when you see this type of view This is looking kind of at the courtyard. You'd see maybe this front portion And then these are the elevations that you would likely see as you drove north from the business park towards the intersection of washington avenue Or when you're heading north on i 43 that you'd be seeing the rear elevation and this west elevation So just to kind of make sure that the board is familiar In terms of what are the most visible from the streets when taking a look at this Yeah, thanks, steve. That that was Confusing to me initially just the orientation of the building I think looking at the site and the location of the driveway Where you're coming in sort of aligned with the drop-off canopy that entrance becomes a lot more evident And it looks as if you're using that Frontage for sign area that that makes sense Yes, my My biggest question with it at the moment is on that what I'd consider the backside where the patio is It's Is there an entry point from the parking there? It seems like That patio and is that the pool back there is kind of screening the parking lot from the hotel Yeah, there's there's more I would call it more of an actually an exit So I think the way that courtyard wants this function is is a guest would come into the building and then they would function from inside out rather than An outsider or someone from the parking lot coming into that courtyard area So like, you know, it'd be guests the restaurant is primarily for guests. It's not a I don't believe it's you don't make reservations outside. It's not like a public Um restaurant just seems if you're parking along that Southeast property line You got a long hike around the building to find the entry and get to it and it's not overly welcoming on that backside That being the case, I don't know if you would look at shifting the building To just get the driveway back there for fire department access to get more parking out front closer to the entrance Or was there not room for that? Correct. So so yeah, if you want to zoom in there So basically the way that that that shared entry point there is I mean that obviously can't move The orientation of the building itself You know it lends itself be being In that in that orientation But I guess are you saying Like trying to get a double row of parking on that side there Yeah, just I'm sorry is now if I'm parked along this backside. Yep I have to go the whole way around the building to the front door to get access. Oh, no, sorry There's entry points on each side of it On each side. You just can't go. Sorry. You just can't come from the Sure, that's yep, that'd be great. Yep Yeah, or for a plan. Yep So those sides are have entry points Sure, that would make sense. Yep Yep, right there. So Yeah, if on the top this is plan plan view on top there where your mouse is you would just come off to the sides And each side of it has has entry points for general public. So you'd have like your your key fob You're obviously checking in the front the ends of the building. Yep, rather than through. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Yes, sorry You see where that is And really that's a that's a single row parking I believe on that on that southwest side So yes, there will be some parking, but the majority of is is on the the northeast and the southwest Where the double rows of parking are Our city other questions or comments jerry No, I was just going to comment I've stayed at quite a few of those properties and usually you check in in the front and they are a lot of them are Uncombined lots like we see here And you check in and I tend to go to the back of the building like you're pointing out But you do have access once you've checked in with your key You just they just don't want random people coming in off the parking lot so you can't get out there freely And if you're eating inside It's a controlled locked area to the patio area so that once again you don't have random people But I I personally think that that's how the building looks better than the canopy site. Anyway, that that's just my input On the Steve can you I think it's on sheet nine page nine So on page on this can you go to put this on this? Okay on this screen on this image. It shows these It shows grills next to the windows that i'm guessing are air conditioning units But then that's not shown on any of the other drawings after that um, so the question that I have because I've seen a lot of these new hotels going up all over and those air conditioning units that you obviously have to have in each of the Rooms, you know always are the White against some other color and they stick out like a sore thumb and that's all you see on the facade is these air conditioning things So i'm just curious what the plan is for These on the building if they're going to follow what's on that one image, but Sure, so they're not showing on any of the other those are p-tax. You've obviously stayed in a hotel So yeah, what what we what I what marriott obviously would do too, but um, we'd have them their Arch actually like a kynar painted louver and it would and it would match the efis or If it's in the gray panel, so it would match the the adjacent material Yes, I believe that's how yeah, that's how the prototype is set up. Yep Underneath yes. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. This is the up they have the window and then the unit is off to the side. Yep Yep, it was good. Good question. Thanks for clarifying chat other questions or comments Concerns The gray panels that are shown on the elevation What material is that? So it'll be a fiber cement panel So it'll it'll have a A hook like cladding system on the backside of it and they um, and they're just long narrow panels Um, that's it on this Um this track system Thank you. Yep And our same old question with mechanicals not seeing any indicated on the elevations. Are they screened with a parapet? Yep. So yeah, the reason why you don't see them is yep The any any any mechanicals that will be on the roof will be will be usually inboard them But uh, they should be covered by uh, either high door or parapet and then um The stuff that you see on those renderings, uh, we were By the pool there's there would be a mechanical system and we screen that and then over by where We have one next to the courtyard area that would house the commercial kitchen that would Would have units out there So yep, everything should be would mostly be screened. Great Yeah, right there. So that that one on the right would be The one for the pool equipment room for the pool and then to the left of the backyard area The if you if you go straight in Yeah, so right there the first little blip. Yep Straight in that that direction is is straight into the uh the commercial kitchen So I would certainly entertain a motion at this point We have a motion and a second for approval as presented any further discussion Hearing none all those in favor signify by saying aye Aye opposed Motion is approved. Thanks for your time. Thank you very much Looks like our next meeting is scheduled for the 24th Perfect Any other business from board members to discuss If not, do we have a motion to adjourn? All in favor We are adjourned. Thank you very much everyone You