 After submarine school, after supply school, age 22, next thing I knew I was on a submarine. I had 25 guys reporting to me. I had riot responsibility for millions of dollars of stores and supplies and food preparation for 120 guys for 90 days with no chance of resupply at sea. So it was a really it was a preparation for total immersion, both for me and the boat. And honestly it's the kind of experience you could never get in civilian life at that age. That's what the Navy is able to teach you. So when I got out of the Navy I went to, I got my MBA at grad school and I realized that what I learned in the Navy about management, about organization, and about communication was way more than I learned in any of my grad school classes.