 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump, this guy's a he's a no-g man. Oh, yeah, I like this guy. Vinny Tortorich has been doing this For a long time. He was a celebrity trainer in LA Yeah, back in the day got his start from the playboy mansion. I God bless that guy great story The guys right along lines with us looking forward to doing some more stuff with this guy. Oh, I would love to love this guy Yeah, I know a great vibe great energy. Yeah, it's one of my people Killer stories. He's got yeah great stories when Italian. He's got a good podcast. It's actually pretty funny Kind of our style. It's called fitness confidential. So you should check it out We have some good conversations with him Also, this is like the last week. I think this week is it right for the promotion So our promotion is you get one of our maps programs for free if you enroll in any maps program or bundle You either get maps prime for free you either get maps prime pro for free or maps performance for free It's a pretty big sweet deal. That's going on. You can find that all at mind pump media Com so without any further ado Here we are talking to Vinny Tortorich Podcast host of fitness confidential So you were you were telling us a story of how you got on you did your stuff on the internet You wrote a book and they said that was a good story. I want to continue Oh, I love you actually googled how to become a famous person on the Internet. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go back a little bit for the audience But you know, I I wrote a book and I didn't want to write a book I think everybody goes, hey, I want to write a book or yeah, you know, because I live in Hollywood and everybody's got You know, most of my friends are producers and back in the day everyone Was producing a sitcom. There was like 48 sitcoms on television. You guys are a lot younger You you don't even know what a sitcom is. You're watching Netflix and stuff. We're talking we had full house It was that yeah, it was like 40 something of those and You know, like literally I had a friend. She would go to a dentist and she's got a tooth hurting and he's in her mouth And he's going hey, I have this great idea for a sitcom. You know, it's in a set in a dentist office Yeah, everybody thought they were getting ready to write something and I worked with celebrities and hated the idea of being on television or in television or any part of television, right? So this is all going on and We had a writer strike in my my good friend Dean Laurie who's a writer-producer most famously known for Arrested development and movies like My wife and kids was one of his TV shows He kept telling me you have a book in you, you know, I was like I don't want to write a book and he said but you're sitting around right now because When the industry goes on strike I Go on strike because there's no one to train when you train celebrities all day and they go on strike Oh, wow, you're done. That's right. That's right because that was your thing. That's what you did You train I just I trained I got people ready for red carpets and holding and for TV shows and what have you and when they stop working They've you're fired that day that you walk in the next time and go. Yeah, we won't need you until we go back to work Oh, it's like that. So were you hired by the production companies then or were by the actual celebrities and so very seldom Sometimes by them sometimes by the management. So in other words I Two or three different scenarios and we'll get back to the other story But one of the scenarios is We have an actress and she's got to be in a bikini in this movie And she's not bikini ready, but we sold this movie based on her star power But she just had a kid You got six weeks. That's your job. Yeah, and they will pay for that. How do you get into that? How the heck because that's all that every trainer's dream. He says you got produce you had producer friends and things Is that how you got it? Well, I got producer friends after that Oh, yeah, so that's a very good question because every trainer in the world wants to do that They come to town. They go. I want to work with celebrities and the first thing I tell them is number one. No, you don't You have no idea what you're not difficult at all, right? Well, it's not even about that People think oh, there's celebrities. They'll pay 20 times as much. Not true Other way around we want everything for free every pro athlete or celebrity Well, because as a trainer, I would assume you train a celebrity. It's going to give you clout So they probably have that but really it does but it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't literally put money in your pocket The way every trainer, you know, I'm going to go to LA and become a celebrity fitness trainer Good life with that one. Yeah, because everybody left their small town with that dream The fact that I got that was the luckiest move on the planet And I wasn't even going after it. It was I got to town 27 years ago Nobody would return my phone call You know, I couldn't get I couldn't I would literally like a guy that chops trees I would take a rock and put it with a note and a sip like bag and toss it over fences To see if I could get business. You're kidding me. I'm not making I was so you're here in LA and you're like Yeah, I'm like putting stuff in people's You know mailboxes every day. I love that because there was and by the way, no one ever called me from that But I was here for two or three months because I was pretty well known for this back in New Orleans for 10 years before I came out here So we're talking 1980 to 90. I was doing 81 to 91. I was doing this I come out here and it's like crickets and I don't know anyone and a friend of mine said I know someone At playboy that works in you know for playboy international so I went and had lunch with her and She said, yeah, if I can figure out a way to help you out and the whole thing when I came back from lunch I met a woman who worked for playboy She was a middle management She was wider than she was tall and she had Our kid in school and holding she didn't have a lot of money to spend I trained her for 25 dollars per time four days a week Got her eating right and within a year I took 165 180 pounds also this woman. She looked like a different human being well And everyone at playboy took note. You couldn't have You couldn't have done the best advertising. Yeah, that's that's like a billboard on sunset, right? That's like and she worked in a place I mean surrounded by people probably looking for trainers and a couple of other VPs started using me and the whole thing and and that led to Playmates because the thing that people don't realize about playmates is They have a problem once they become a playmate. They're now under contract for two years by playboy and They have to look a certain way They have to go to all the Cinco de Mayo's and vegas weekend and whole thing They can't be fat They have to look like playmates, right? Don't they don't they actually measure them and if they get beyond certain measurements and things I don't know anything about that. Yeah, but I do know that if they want to keep working and making that money That sidelined money from playboy. They have to look a certain way because playboy will just kind of go Ah, you sit this one out We'll go with you Out of me. You're a lot easier to go with a sell over here His boobs are too small So that is natural though, that's how I started working with a few playmates and playmates are Somewhat hooked to real celebrity If that makes any sense because every hot celebrity in town wants to playboy girls. Come on. Of course So are they hiring you themselves first playboy hiring you interesting Playboy hired me for some of them Some of the other girls went wait, you're looking great How do I get this guy and they would hire me fantastic out of their own fucking rad job Kidding me. It was like gold sir Yeah, I just happened to be standing and you're married. Tell me you weren't married Please please. Please tell me you weren't married when this happened. I don't have to go through worse I was not married. Oh, yes And god bless you. And by the way, I started getting invited to the mansion and invited it. It was like I was telling I was I was I do adam corolla show. We were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. It's like Yeah, I remember the first time I messed alone He goes because they know I know a lot of celebrities around never just throw He goes, where did you meet because he was bragging about meeting still on I went Yeah, I remember the first time he goes, uh, where did you meet him? I don't know But it was him and Mick Jagger and and they're like sitting there mind blown. It's like You just mentioned Mick. You know, you just it's like, yeah, you're in that world And these guys are getting these women, right? And I'm not saying Stallone was getting those women or anything else I'm just saying that these women mingle in that world And at the time the brat pack was a big thing, you know, remember, you know, saint almost fire And I started getting hired by some of those people and Before you know it, uh, and I talk about this in the book the book that we started this conversation on Um, uh I got called in by this big Management agency and I'm on this in this building on sunset And they're saying to me um, and there's a there's a desk. It's a table like this And there's a guy sitting at the head of the table And there's a couple of guys a couple of suits from disney and there's a couple of managers over here And I went into this meeting. I was dressed in cargo shorts flip-flops and a torn t-shirt And I'm not even sure how I got there Yeah, I was just told to go to this meeting that it would be good And they're sitting there. I'm sitting right about where Justin's sitting right there and There's some guy speaks up and goes, um We understand that you're the go-to guy to get weight off of people in LA And I'm going okay All right, I'll pick it. That's me. That's me. Yeah. Yeah, that's what they call me the the quick weight guy lost the way Yeah, and they said we uh, we need to get some weight off of an actress and I'm like, okay And uh, they said she weighs a certain amount of weight and the whole thing And we need to get you know 40 pounds off of her Pretty quickly and I said how much time do I have and they said six weeks Oh, geez So I put my hands on the table and I got up and he goes, where are you going? I went, I can't do that Nobody can do that. What are you talking about? And they said and while I'm doing that the guy at the the guy in the big leather chair at the head of the table writes down a number on a piece of paper How much is he gonna pay you then it slides it across to me. I open it up and I went Six weeks I'll saw her fucking leg off for that Are you kidding? I'm gonna tire to my car and she's just gonna run wherever I go. She's gonna be running And that I got that client. I took the weight off of her. They literally called me back in at six weeks And said we have a problem Problem I took for they said she failed her her test again her screen test Her face is too round And I literally said and this is all written in my book fitness confidential. I said Face is too round. You realize she's Korean, right? And they literally around the room all of these suits went, uh, we just wanted known that we didn't say this These are the words of mr. Taughta rich. I mean, are we really doing that? She's Korean. She's round. She's And literally they were doing that game back in the early 90s and I went you got to be kidding me And they said we need you to get more weight. So I took more weight off of her the client was Margaret show I don't know if you guys know. I know it can be a member. I remember when she lost a lot of weight too And so this ends a very long story of how you become a celebrity trainer At that point Margaret is now her show, you know, all american girl is coming out big sitcom first time An asian is leading a sitcom and this is you know history and She's on arsenio. She's on letterman. She's on leno. She's everywhere In the name on her lips Vinny Taughta rich. I lost how did you lose 55 60 pound Vinny Taughta rich? Wow now the next day every agent in town is going Get Vinny Taughta rich in here tomorrow I had nothing to do with any of it other than getting a fat lady thin at playboy And then getting a heavy comedian thin for a sitcom. Wow now if you asked me how to go get become I don't know I got lucky. I walked in the playboy one. Well, something something why okay So I had listened to some of your podcast episodes like over a year ago Why I had my assistant reach out and get to you is because There's not a lot of people that are doing fitness podcasts like us that have a similar message And that is that you call the bullshit out which is what we do and there's not a lot of us that I that I feel talk about this When did that start was this something that you started to put together because we share on the show We've got you know 16 years 15 years 20 years in the industry And I'll be the first to admit that the first 10 I was a terrible. I was probably terrible Didn't know, you know, I was getting fed all the bullshit I was regurgitating the information that I'm giving that are pushed by supplement companies and bias studies And that was what I was delivering down in my class. It wasn't until later Did I really start to put it together? But what point did you really put that together for you? Like was that early on in your career that happened over time? I'm 55 this month I walked into a gym when I was eight 1970 Gems didn't exist the way they exist today. Of course. There's no google. There's no online So bro science was at a minimum Um Literally people would say oh take desiccated liver pills in 1970 that was the number one supplement that that was what you took Extra protein, but everybody else was eating eggs. Some were eating raw eggs. Some would tell you to eat liver around the clock Um, you know, you want it more iron. You want it more protein more fat in you And then in the 70s, I start, you know, because I stayed in it. I never got out of it I walked into a gym as a gym rat and I had a guy who mentored me all those years And you know at one time I was 235 pounds with the same amount of body fat I have right now You know, I was I was bigger than this guy. It's hard to believe you could go from that To this but I did um So I've seen it all I've done it all I've been a 400 pound bencher I've I've been able to as a matter of fact, they were called the gym in my hometown And asked if I was squatting that day because that meant nobody else is coming in to do bench press I was using most of the plates So on lag day, they were all the weights. Yeah, it's a small town small gym I helped build the gym So if I and I was going off to play college football, so if Vinny was squatting that day Nobody else came in to do bench press or anything else because we We had three olympic bars, but we didn't have enough weights to go around You know, um, so I've seen it all come and go And when all the bs supplements started coming in Because I have a degree in physical education and exercise physiology and nutrition I come from a science background. I went to Tulane and I you know, I've studied You know, whenever people say hey, man, I take the stuff because before it was bros, man Hey, man, you gotta take the stuff. It's gonna I would go You have a blood double blind study on that Anything you got anything and whenever people wouldn't listen to that I would then go to this I would say, okay Is it legal in olympic competition and they would say yes, I would go, okay, it doesn't work Because anything that works is not legal in the competition. That's a good point. Very true Yeah, that's a good point. You could test positive for uh for pseudofed and you'll get kicked out Right, you know what I mean, right and you could buy that over the counter There's a lot of over the counter coffee if you have too much coffee in your system Yeah, that's that's an ergo. Jenny coffee actually works better than a lot of this stuff you get from the supplements So you've seen you've seen uh the fitness industry being in the gyms because I was in the gyms in the in the late 90s That's when I got I don't know and I've seen a lot of change since then right But you were in there a lot sooner. So you saw the You saw the transformation from It was just men lifting weights to then women started moving in there to the changes in the diets. I mean Yeah, you know at first it was only men as a matter of fact, I remember when women Every now and then would be one chick and if a chick even had just a little bow on her hamstrings It was like awesome. I was like, oh my god. Yeah. Oh, she's hot, you know You never saw women with muscles or you know or even in good shape women looked like women They were lean, but they looked like women right the skinny model type is what they were right twiggy Or you know, this kind of thing or Cheryl Teague's and all this, you know You didn't see and then Rachel McLeish comes on the scene, you know, and she's the first mr. Mr. Olympia, right? Yeah, she was and she was hot and Uh, I don't she couldn't even win a bikini contest nowadays The amount of muscle she was not that mommy and she was right definitely tone and she wouldn't even went Yeah, the fit model competition. She could not win But she was gorgeous and her symmetry was just amazing and then You know, you had people like Corey Everson who took it to a little different level at some point in the women's category Um, but then when the Carla Dunlops and all that came in They started looking like men and they started winning. So the women started taking more and more hormones, you know and Why don't you impress that even know some of this stuff? Oh, no, that's great. I'm a big follower in his wheelhouse Yeah, but yeah, I've always kept my eye on it because I've always loved it and I wiced where I went where guys are Injecting all this stuff to make muscles look like muscles that weren't there and all this stuff and Why's the whole steroid thing go from Taking diana ball to you know stacking 30 different things, you know, it all changed over time, you know and and uh Uh, I worry about it sometimes. I worry what it teaches the younger culture of the bro science kids Who are coming up in that? Yeah, you see, uh, you know, I remember reading some article with an interview of an old school bodybuilder in the 70s 60s and 70s like, you know, five 10 milligrams of diana ball a day. That was a dose. That's what they took And uh, you know bodybuilders Now taking grams Grams every, you know, not milligrams but grams every single week. It's crazy. How much has changed? Oh, I found that when I went into I competed and I went started on the whole purpose for me competing. I had no desire I didn't follow the the industry as far as the bodybuilding industry Um, but I did see that this was who's on the cover of the magazines. This is who everybody's looking to for advice And I thought it didn't matter if I knew more than always people if I didn't get my name out there Then I no one was going to listen to what I had to say so I went on a journey about three and a half four years ago Of getting in shape and at that time I'd actually kind of fallen out of shape I was 19% body fat and I took myself all the way into down to seven percent body fat And I started doing that to build like a social media presence to build a business Right And I saw the traction that I got and I thought okay Well, I'll take it to the next level I'll show you guys that I can go from being this average joe kind of fit guy And now I'm going to get in shredded shape now I'm going to go compete and I went and competed at the amateur level and I'll never forget that day Standing backstage and you know just totally being like a lost puppy dog. I had no I did it all by myself I had no coach no team And I'm standing around and I'm looking at all these super shredded guys and I'm talking to them and I'm listening to How they got ready for the show and the information that their coach was telling them the way they were eating The way they were training and I thought like what the fuck are these guys doing like No, it doesn't have to be that crazy. It doesn't have to be that hard You don't have to take that much drugs to look like this. I'm in men's physique. I'm not even bodybuilding I mean, we're just men's health look like you don't need to be taking grams of testosterone to look like that And I'm listening I thought well Maybe because this is the amateur level and these guys don't really understand but the pros got to know their Shit well long story short. I worked my way up to the professional level And the same thing I get back there. I've got all these pros back here now My peers all my buddies are the cover of a magazine guy And everybody looking up to them and asking them information about nutrition and exercise and I'm listening to the information They're going what the fuck are you telling people like this is terrible advice like This is going to set these people up for long-term bad relationships with exercise and food You have no idea with it and it's an epidemic actually right now and it's getting worse I don't know how many men's physique guys that are 145 to 180 pound guys that I found that we're taking grams of testosterone a week to try and obtain this Look and telling people the the bouts of cardio and exercise and the starving and the Diarrhetics that they were taking and the pulling of fruit other diet and taking the sodium out for weeks I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So it's it's bad and I worry because That sport's growing really fast right now when they introduced women's bikini And men's physique it exploded. I mean I watched it in the last 10 years every every year It's doubling and so it's growing and it seems that everybody now wants to Be a bikini girl or a men's physique guy and you know So they could post their pictures on instagram and say i'm a competitor and an athlete now And the information that's being passed around and circulated right now in that world is really bad It's a lot of what inspired the show So that was kind of what my story was from that side and I remember getting with these guys We were all friends before we worked for the company I said we got to talk about this because this is growing. It's it's just getting worse And the people that everybody's looking up to I mean you talk about people that have a million plus followers And that are talking to these people and giving information. It's horrible So it's it's scary to think where it's at now and where it's potentially going And I love talking to someone like you who's actually seeing the whole the whole spectrum I mean because the and we talk about this too on the show that some of the advice they were given 20 30 years ago about nutrition It's better than the advice that we're giving them. It's coming back. Yeah a thousand percent right, right Yeah, and the fact that people think that they have to live on chemicals. It's a real real problem I I did something in a micro way That I I knew that I could do I saw one of my nephews about your guy's age and he He was kind of a roly-poly guy not really fit guy but not out of shape and He got into pumping iron and just like most people when when your muscles grow You almost have this shield around you know and people are now taking notice. Oh my god You know you have biceps and oh my god. Look at your chest And once a girl tells a guy a young guy anything You're like sitting there going noted. I will be in the fucking gym As soon as I exit this place right now right who ships now. Yeah, it's like I'm gonna go to bathroom and knock out like three sets of 20 on this and He kept doing more and more bro sign stuff and the only time I see my nephew is on facebook So I'll keep up with my family right And I noticed that his biceps are now 19 inches, but his gut is out to here and he's getting fatter and fatter So his brother his younger brother was coming up for high school graduation. I said I told him I said They all live in Louisiana. I said I'm gonna take you guys up mount whitney the highest mountain in the contiguous united states And you guys have to train for this and the bro science guy literally Took note and he started hitting the the stair machine and holding he told me he knocked 20 pounds off In a couple of months getting ready for this thing, right? His younger brother, I've played basketball this year. I'm graduating high school. I'm good. He didn't do anything Right, so I meet these guys. They come to LA This nephew the older guy the one that's all pumped up He's pulling out powders and potions. Get ready for this I'm like, man. What is this? This is beet juice, man. It's powdered beet juice, man. It's nitrates in there bro And I you know, what's that? Oh, I've got you know, glutamine, bro That's gonna feed but I gotta feed my liver. I gotta get my insulin up to feed I'm like I'm like But I'm not saying anything in my mind I'm going crazy over this. I'm like, oh my god We get out we go to mammoth for a couple of days before we go to whitney and I have my buddy from new york Who climbs all the time but my buddy's my age He's a little heavy. You know, he's an overweight guy, but boy can he climb You know, he trains all year. He just eats a lot of pasta, right? So We get out to mammoth and they notice that my buddy don is just running up the hills And the bro science guy he can't go a city block without grabbing him He literally can't get out of town It's the most amazing thing you've ever seen He ended up going six miles up mount whitney three days later and turning around his younger brother Only went two and a half miles up turned around and went home And driving back to la He started asking me about clean eating. How do I how do I get off of this shit? How do I and all I could think the whole time was Mission accomplished, right? I made your point. Yeah, that's all I had to do and You know, he was looking at a fat guy who summoned it that day my buddy dawn And he's going i'm taking every product on the planet to the tune of like several hundred dollars a month More right and he goes I can't even keep up with an old dude. That's fat So he's lost in the irony of all this is that a lot of these products actually reduce your performance You know branching amino acids when you take them too high Yeah, well, I have actually have a depressive effect on the body make you feel make you feel tired some of the one of the most mind-blowing things to me was Years ago up until well up until it may be four or five years ago I ate, you know, six seven small meals a day. I ate all the protein I did everything I was supposed to Then I learned about fasting and some of the health benefits Read about some, you know high level muscular people that were Fasting how great they felt so I fasted for the first time ever It fully expecting to have a terrible workout to have low energy to feel horrible. No supplements. Nothing I had one of the best workouts I had in a long time and I felt incredible energy And it was because I was fasting because I didn't have all this food in me all the time Not to say that you should always do that but My point is when you optimize your body naturally or let it do what it what it can do, you know, the performance is incredible Well, look at look at things like the pre-workout, you know, that's the the number one supplement right now That didn't even fucking exist 10 years ago. No the whole category number one supplement sold everybody's taking it Because they think it's gonna do some shit for them. Yeah, but yet that 10 years ago that didn't exist I'm like, that's what I always yeah, Arnold didn't take a pre-workout Right exactly Right, I mean think about do you think it's that much of a game changer that Came out out of nowhere the last 10 years and when you actually flip the bottle around you start reading it like that That feeling you get that sweat this like I mean all the chemicals that they put in there to do that I'm like go take go take three or four pills of niacin sit in your room and watch you'll start sweating your dick off Yeah, I mean it's a B vitamin will make you sweat. It's a vasodilator. Yeah, I tell people all the time What is it B3 is niacin? Yeah, take B3 and have a cup of coffee. You're good. You're good to go Yeah, mix up some Hawaiian punch and throw it in there now you got yourself a pre-workout Literally it's sugar drinks. Well, we created a bunch of controversy when we first started because so Our first and main sponsor that we took for the show We turned down every supplement company that came our way We wanted nothing to do with it and it was tough because I'm sure you know Those are normative sponsors that come when you first start You know, you start making a little bit of traction and every supplement fucking company wants to pay you some money to rep them And say this is how you get in shape and that was against all of our message So for a long time, we didn't have any sponsors The only sponsor that we did take on was a chimera coffee a coffee company And we used to tell people that listen like if you I I get why you want to have energy before you go Work out totally fine, but have a fucking cup of coffee Yeah, you know have a cup of coffee and if a cup of coffee doesn't do it for you And you need two or three that's probably a sign that you're probably having too much even that It's probably time to pull off of it for a while that's cycled back on so yeah Yeah, it's uh, it's crazy and uh, I don't know if it's I don't know if it's getting better or worse. We talk all the time about how You know, we're making good traction on the show and we see these things I'm like, yeah, but that's in our circle Sometimes I feel like we're losing this battle because more well then you go to a fitness expo and you see what Right, right. Vinny, have you been to one of those? I refuse to go. I've I've been to I would love to I would love to make you go I feel like we should all go and I should just go and bring my camera. Yes Video because I was at speaking of coffee. I was at a coffee expo The big csa show up in seattle because we're opening we're starting pure caught I have a vitamin company called pure vitamin club now. We're starting pure coffee club and So I'm up at the big convention and the whole thing, you know making the rounds and it's literally football feel after football feel size arenas of all the stuff And I passed by and they got the cute chick out there going Hey, you want to try this product? You put it in your coffee. It really gives you energy and it's so good for you And I went what is it and she goes it's new tropics and I went Okay, I said look I have a meeting right now But before the weekend's over with can I come back and she goes absolutely So I told my partner Andy. I said Keep an eye on her I want to come back and shoot a little video with her and it's up on my website. It's up on my youtube I go back and I'm asking this girl about what this new tropics new tropics or whatever it's called It gives you energy and stuff and I went okay Doesn't coffee do that and it no it like it's good for your brain And it goes in your brain and it's good and stuff And I just sat there and goofed on her for like five minutes You know what you know what that reminds me of is when you go to those if you go to like political rallies Yeah, and you go around and you ask people why they hate what they really believe tell me why you hate Trump Yeah, or tell me why you uh, he's raised. They just blurt out all this GNC rep, you know how to describe this product to me. That's always entertaining. Yeah. Yeah The whole thing is just Crazy when you think about it. Like let me ask you guys. Let me interview you guys for a second Um, the the one I keep getting and I'm sure you guys are getting is hey, man. I saw this film. Uh, what the health What the health? Oh my god, we tore into that actually. Oh, I've tore. I've done three episodes It's crazy that we have to keep actually revisit revisiting this topic because I thought we did such a good job of destroying it The first time but you see you have a million downloads. Yeah, I have a million downloads We're nothing right compared to red flags and what the vegan community does Well, the format of document uh, documentary Documentaries, thank you. You're welcome. I'm having a hard time with that one Documentaries. Yeah, it's this format. It's like people really believe because they dress it up so well and it like Dramatize it and it's become this sort of authority Just if you just put it in that format, I feel like people start to like ooh They're challenging authority and they're going against the grain So there's got to be a lot of truth in there and people like get like really sucked into that It's it's what the health is. Uh, it's vegan propaganda Right now there's some there's some information in there that they're taking that's true A lot of it isn't but if you understand and we talked about this on our show If you understand the motives behind That documentary then it all makes sense if you take vegans As a group and you look at the ones that are vegans for long periods of time The ones that tend to stay vegan Are vegan for moral reasons for their own personal moral right? They think they think eating animals is as bad as you know, you know hurting people or whatever So for them by any means necessary if they can get more if they could save more animals Then that's a good thing. They're saving lives right and so this documentary is vegan propaganda It's and what they're trying to do is they're trying to scare the fuck out of everybody To stop eating all animal products. It's the first time in my life. I've ever heard a health documentary I'm doing the air quotes literally say fish is unhealthy Like they said fish wasn't healthy and chicken is racist. No, no No, it was it was it was a it was a pig pork or milk No, oh my god, they found the one black vegan doctor Okay, can you still say black and not be? I think you're okay. You're on my put rough. So they found the first african-american Vegan doctor. I didn't think any I have tons of black friends. I can't find one vegan amongst them but this guy He stood there in the film and said Okay, let me explain this to you 38 agents Can't have dairy lactose intolerant 42 of mexicans can't have dairy lactose intolerance 52 african-americans can't have milk. They're lactose intolerant Therefore by the government putting dairy on the my plate thing that is institutional racism That's when I just went that's how that worked. It was it was the milk You can't be saying that You can't be saying That I loved another one I loved was If you eat an egg it's equivalent to five cigarettes Really because let's say I have four eggs this morning times five that's 20. Yeah, I have a pack I had a pack of bread I literally had a pack of cigarettes Didn't even realize it. Yeah, you know and and the you know When you can lie And you have doctor next to your name and you're allowed to lie that way It's a problem. So this guy kip with the man bun, right? With the monotone voice He gets a meeting at the ADA Right first off the guy sitting behind a desk in a suit Kip you couldn't even dress up a little bit get the the stained t-shirt off something He goes into the ADA He's got a piece of paper with him like this and he goes, um Mr. ADA guy, I have a study here that says that If someone eats meat It's uh, it'll kill them. It'll kill meat will kill you Mr. ADA, why are you killing people? And the guy's like, I don't even know what study you're talking about. Yes, but you you're killing people What is it okay for you guys to kill people and the ADA guy is like Sir, I have no idea what study you have in front of me. He goes, would you like to read it? Would you like to read it because I have a study now? I took it a step further on my podcast. We went to check out what study he was talking about The study was done by neil barnard one of the guys you saw in the movie the guy that looked like he could use a meal Did that guy? He was the guy who did the study the study is an epidemiological study. It never saw a lab and it was never peer reviewed It's worth this piece of paper. I have that's blank right here. The study is worth Absolutely nothing But this guy's talking to the ADA with a stained t-shirt going you're killing people My favorite was when he when he calls in and he's he's talking to probably some 17-year-old girl who makes minimum wage and is asking her like all these technical questions and why is the why is the world health Organization or they hang up, but he's like, oh, obviously they don't want to talk to me. Yeah Yeah, they're they figure out you're a cuckoo My other fear is tell me if you guys notice this one They had four as I like to call them four identified patients in a movie now I can't remember all four one was a woman Uh, who they showed walking with a walker She's in a dimly lit room and they're like this is katie And she's on five medications and walking on a walker and she gets up really slowly like this and she's getting up And then they never they never tell you what katie's problem is Why she's walking with a walker why she can't leave this dimly lit house But they go we gave her some juice and some vegetables and two weeks later They have a vibrant outside running down the street. She's like I just got off all five of my medications and I haven't used and I'm sitting there going what was wrong with you to begin with And then he went to a heavy set guy goes I'm on five medication doctor told me I'd be honest the rest of my life Dr. Even told me they might have to cut a limb off And then all I had to do was stop eating meat. Yeah, I stopped eating meat and chicken He's like running down the street. Hey, I'm gonna do a marathon next month. I'm like, what was wrong with you to begin with You never told us what was wrong with you This is what drives me well, I we looked into it to who I was wasn't it uh produced by walking phoenix It wasn't that who produced it was a guy who lives in marijuana Which which is vegan I know a little bit my wife did a movie with the guy while back and oh really Yeah, I know a little bit not I don't know Joaquin by any stretch of the imagination But you know, I know that he's a nut. Have you ever seen that that that where he falls off stage? Yeah, yeah, I saw the whole okay This guy's not stable. But yeah, he threw a little money behind this But the vegans you had it right the vegan sal they First off it was a religious group back in 1917. Do you guys know that? Yeah, that's that's your the origins. Yeah, it was the um, it was the uh, seventh day adventists that started this whole Which they still exist and lovin led in the california. It's still well They they're one of the biggest religions in the world right and if it's got an ism at the end I tell people right away. That should be your red flag right there So they they started this as an ideal it only took hold about 60 years ago because What happened was no one can really be a vegan until we came up with an exogenous form of b12 because It doesn't have b12 in the diet So when you look at the 13 essential vitamins, there's the term essential It means if we don't get it, we die, right? Yeah, the vegan diet does not so every vegan will tell me Well, you can take b12. Yes, but what did you do before? Right You could be a vegan. It's true. I mean in modern times a well planned, you know Vegan diet can be fine, but it does take a lot of planning and it requires Modern, you know, modern technology and modern times, but if you go back to before You know, the even the agriculture evolution like you couldn't be a vegan It's it would be impossible if you just lived on the The the vegetation that grew around you naturally You would have starved to death besides going having malnutrition. Yeah, because it just it just doesn't work that way But again, if you want to do it, you got to plan it out. You can do it But this documentary in particular total propaganda. Yeah, because they're lying to people who could use help You know, there are people out there and you know, I'm okay with people being vegans I'm I'm with you Sal. I'm really okay with this what I'm not okay with Is people just both face lying about this, right, you know Yeah, I go on. I well, I'm with you guys, too I we all agree on this is that, you know, if you're doing it for moral reasons then then by all means I respect that What I always try to make clear to people because there's people think it's a healthier way or a better way of living And that's not oh god. No. Yeah, that's where I that's where I draw the line in the sand Is that listen like moral reason is more power to you if you feel good We do it more power to you But don't get it twisted. It is not the best and the healthiest way for you to live Studies will show in fact that even well planned vegans or vegans who have well planned diets When they're given a substance like creatine, which is a very popular fitness body building supplement They get a pretty significant measurable boost in IQ This doesn't happen omnivores because we get enough creatine from meat sources So that alone will tell you even though they've planned everything right or whatever That they're getting a boost in IQ from taking a substance that you only get from meat So that tells you that's your clue right there. That's your big clue You're absolutely right. Look, I always say if you want to be a vegan Fall in love with avocados fall in love with olives because it's the only two fruit that will give you any fat So and fall in love with coconuts because you could get a lot from coconuts But the bottom line is you you cannot it's very difficult as I tell Dr. Drew gets a kick out of this every time I bring it up Veganism is a convenient way to have an eating disorder and not be judged for it You know But it's true. I mean you're you're literally omitting parts of what you need to eat And you're adding in things that are horrible for you high-grain diets I mean think about it. You want to talk about You cannot eat a grain without processing a grain I want to see anyone walk up to a stalk of corn and eat it without boiling it to death I want to see anyone just take a stalk of of wheat and put it in their mouth. I'll destroy your gut Oh, it will rip you a new asshole literally You cannot do it. You know, we got to separate the wheat from the shaft and and then cook that down and do everything You 2000 years ago, we didn't even have wheat now we have we have corn we have wheat we have quinoa We have all this crap and none of it is good for you. It just causes inflammation in your system It can cause lots of problems. We have to process the heck out of it And you know, it's it's it all goes back to and it sounds like you're you're you're talking a lot about just eating The way we kind of evolved. Yeah, that seems to give us the best answers and variety You know periods of fasting even periods of fasting from things like proteins This is very controversial that we brought up on the show in the past is that Because we come from the the fitness world the muscle building world Protein has become this mat this magic macro nutrient You can't get enough of it eat a ton of it all the time You need to have lots of protein all the time Even that if you over consume it can cause problems and even being exposed to it All the time can cause problems and sometimes even going low protein For a day or two number one makes you more efficient at utilizing the protein when you do eat it But it also has some health benefits. I think just that well balanced approach Seems to always be the one that seems to be bad regardless of all the fads So I'm glad you brought that up because you know in the bro science community It's a little known even less care for a situation because Everybody's talking about the stuff you can buy the powders and potions and pills But it's always that bro science thing. Hey, bro. You need to have 1.5 grams of protein propensity body mass, bro You need to have two but but I tell people all the time Point zero six you need that's the number And the reason I say that's on the upper end too. That's the upper end The reason I tell every every one of my clients. I said a reason I say six It's because it sounds sexier than saying just take a half a gram Nobody wants to take a half a gram But if you say 0.6, they go, holy shit. Oh, he measured he knows That's even hot a very specific 0.657 Do that because people will go holy shit solid He met he knows Well, you know, you we brought up, you know things to be worried about This was one of the things I was talking about when I was talking all these bodybuilders It's actually become almost like a competition amongst them on who can consume the most protein Oh, jeez you got guys you got guys my size that are eating 350 400 500 grams of protein every day It just it blew my mind. I thought god. This is insane that much protein is pro inflammatory It is pro aging. They've shown that it will accelerate the aging process and Depending on the context in the right context is pro cancer too much protein can fuel cancer just like sugar Well, it turns to sugar, you know Gluconeogenesis it just turns anything past anything you can use is just converted and it's not good That's why people I tell people all the time when in doubt eat a lot of fat So it's obvious Vinny that you are on the same page as we are when it comes to nutrition and how we We talk a lot about there's so much there was better advice 20 years ago than there is now when it comes to that We also talk about that with lifting weights and programming You know We nowadays it's so popular you open up a muscle muscle and fiction magazine And you see these body parts splits and these guys hammering away at one body part And you know what a lot of these young kids that are reading these magazines I was one of these kids that was trying to follow that is You know one i'm not hopped up on that much gear two these guys are genetic anomalies So i'm never going to look like these guys lifting like these guys And what we have found with training the thousands of clients we train that A full body routine tends to be superior for building muscle than these these types of splits Mainly because you get more frequency more frequency stimulation you get to focus on the important exercises There was a period of time there where I was managing gyms in the 90s early 2000s where I'd be in a 40 000 square foot facility And there'd be one or two squat racks and nobody would use a machine right everybody was on the leg extension Everybody was on the you know, maybe the leg press it which makes no sense whatsoever I you know, I mentioned that in fitness confidential You know people say oh you didn't put enough about exercise and said no I'll put everything I had to put about exercise in that book If you if you tell people Just do the count. You know just the average guy Do the compound movements right squats lunges leg press dead left for the legs lower back upper body, you know Bench press incline press if you want to dips if you want to And then call it a day if you want to really girl it up do some some flies And then for the back, you know pull down from over your head and then pull to you and pull up and you're done You know push pull legs done. It will give you everything you need Now if you want to be that bodybuilder type and you got to sit there and sit there the goddamn crow I can't imagine anyone doing that. I did it for years when I was younger and I'm like, why am I even doing? Yeah, it's not doing it. Well what I what I told a lot of people because I went through the competing thing And I there was I mean I was living in the gym when you're competing at the professional level It becomes just like a sport, you know, and it is yeah consume my life And I said hey listen if you are in there seven days a week one hour to two hours every day Like a lot of these pros are then I get it while you're doing all these little tiny movements and Targeting the tiny rear delt and doing all this but for the average guy or girl Who's just getting in the gym and wants to build some muscle and burn some fat There is a way better approach than fucking around with all these little movements I mean like you said overhead press squat dead That's what we say the big compound movement sticking to those and then the way you progress is the frequency of it Is you know, it's not about going to failure all the time and killing it in beast mode You know more frequent in fact, we also even talked to people about you know again. I think there's this huge Trend right now with the beast mode the no days off the balls of wall kill it all this talk That we keep trying to tell people, you know, you're probably better off going to two reps short of failure So you don't do so much goddamn damage that hinders your workout for the next day Right, you know like getting that across versus this Hammering the hammering the hell out of a body part not touching it for an entire week because you're so damn Store and then try and then you wonder why you're at this plateau because your body's stuck in this recovery trap You're absolutely right. Uh that that drives me nuts. The other one that drives me nuts is everybody's oh crossfit You know these um, I knew I liked you, you know, I I look at this crossfit stuff number one 99.99 87 I love sal state because I gotta use the 87 more often Um, don't know Can I say fuck on this? Oh, yeah, don't know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah, please Yeah, I I was in the gym the other day watching a guy showing a guy how to do crossfit The trainer and I know you guys must argue about this, but The guy is doing a squat and he's all bent over and holding and the trainer's on a cell phone Oh, god, I'm doing this and holding And I'm looking at it going you're gonna hurt the guy you're gonna the guy's getting hurt He's not doing right And then you see him there with the ropes and beating on a fucking tractor tire and flipping the tire over And and I'm sitting there looking at this going, you know, if you lift the tire up and roller it rolls a lot easier You're the caveman figured that shit out And you're trying to do it in over and you're taking us backwards We're not doing anything right here. Yeah So I'm looking at this going Number one, you're not doing anything you're hurting people But let's assume you're one of the 2.758 guys that didn't get hurt Then you're not doing anything because If you're constantly taking people where they're burning all of their blood glycogen Then they now have to go and eat something with sugar in it to put it back on I noticed this for the first time in the 80s when Jane Fonda's aerobics came out Uh, everybody in New Orleans. I was in school and I was in the lab all the time Yeah crossfit and Jane Fonda. Just the same thing. Yeah For the first time making a t-shirt by the way Women were putting on these leotards and going to these dance studios around New Orleans And I was still in college and I was still doing all these labs and my girlfriends would come to me and go You know, I never used to have a craving for ice cream and cookies But all I want to do is eat ice cream and cookies now And I looked around and I went, hmm And you never exercised before now. That's right. And that's when I came up the theory of You're burning up all of your blood glycogen and your brain's going feed me, bitch You know, what are you doing? So that's why I tell people if you do zone two aerobics, if you don't take it into the red line all the time on aerobics You can literally burn fat without worrying about burning all your blood glycogen If you go to some morning boot camp with a guy driving a Hummer I hope none of you guys drive Hummer Because I'm looking at Justin. I was gonna buy a Hummer guy. There is a chance he could be He's not he's not I'm talking the old style like, you know, Schwarzenegger, the real Hummer, the Hum V And you know, these guys show up in a Hummer. All right, rise inside pussies You're not doing anything. You're burning their sugar out. You're hurting them You're sending them off worse than when they showed up and that's where I draw a line. I have a problem with that That's an interesting theory right there because I've never thought about And I'm sure you're familiar that there's this doughnut culture But I'm sure Duncan doughnuts and every doughnut stuff. Yeah, every doughnut company is loving CrossFit for this because I mean, it's your chiropractors and physical therapy. Oh, yeah, right Yeah, I love cross and I and I think that that's the that's the problem is you've got a lot of these people these That are making a shit ton of money off this that nobody wants to say that it's a could be a bad thing You know, oh, these people are getting so fit and they're able to eat doughnuts. I think there's also psychological component I think when you train When you take the average person you train to that level of fatigue They now psychologically believe that they earned It becomes a reward to eat this, you know, whatever I'm gonna eat now because I just beat myself up And they don't realize that the calories in that doughnut equates to about six of those workouts not one of them But you see you mentioned rewards Al and and that's one of the things that I always talk about I was like, well, what do you want the reward to be? I would like the reward to be when I go on vacation I could take my shirt off and not feel like a fat schlopp, right? The reward shouldn't be you know, we live in a world now where everybody wants that instantaneous reward Amazon shows up at people's house every day They buy shit on the internet just so something will show up We live in a society where people want it all right now. No one's willing to wait five minutes for anything Right and if if that's what you're doing and I'm hoping someone hears these words coming out of my mouth because You the reward shouldn't be hey, I did this five minutes ago. Give me a doughnut The reward should be I did this five minutes ago. I'm gonna skip the doughnut next month I'm going down to Santa Monica and I'm gonna take my shirt off and maybe get laid Well, what's the what was the what was the study on the delayed gratification? Yeah, they've actually they've actually done this study with children where they'll They'll present them with like a treat and they'll say you can eat this now or you can wait And I don't remember what the time is and you'll get two of them And the kids have to wait a decent amount of time to get another one And they followed these kids afterwards And 10 15 20 years later and they find that the ones the kids that can actually delay gratification Far more of them become successful later on as adults So it's actually in other aspects of their life not just their fitness journey But every isn't everything in life that way everything think about it because Anything that's worthwhile, you know going to college Delayed gratification, you know, I know a lot of guys I went to high school with they're like screw that man I'm going to work. I'm gonna job in a plant making at the time 17 dollars an hour. That's 1981 that was a lot of money Screw screw that. I'm not going to college. What was that waste my time? But if you get a degree you get to get out now you have a lifetime of doors opening for you You know and a lot of guys, you know, and they go through life like that They'll go I want a motorcycle today when really what they want is a nice sports car But they can afford the motorcycle today. It's the same thing as your candy one piece now or a bigger piece later Well, you get the motorcycle and chances are you're gonna get in an accident And you're gonna now screw up everything else. Maybe your life your marriage your job everything else Because you can't walk Yeah, but nobody thinks about that in the moment It's like I can afford this motorcycle now versus the sports car And you can look at everything in life and everything like that works that way. Absolutely, Vinny I want to take you back to Get your business because you had said how you became a celebrity trainer You wrote your book And you were going to tell us how you got online and how you do what you do now. Yeah Thanks for bringing that back because it's kind of a neat story. Um, I wrote this book with dean larry and Dean larry's with uh, william marris endeavor the biggest agency in the world, right? And we took the book in there and they looked at it and we had a meeting and they said look This book is great. We love this book, but we have a problem We know who vinny is because he's been working with our clients for years But we googled him right before this meeting. He does not exist on google like his name Didn't even come up on linkedin or anything And I went yeah, that's by design because I work with celebrities and the last thing you want when you work with celebrities For anybody to know your name is your shit all there, right? Right because Like I'm going to name a celebrity. I've never I've never worked with like if britney spears gets in trouble And you read in the paper sources close to Those sources are always a masseuse or a trainer. Oh period. Oh, that's interesting. And so I've always kept my list very quiet Um, but they said you need to go online and figure out how to become famous So I went home that night and I started looking up youtube videos and stuff like that and There was a girl named jenna marbles. I don't know if you guys ever heard of her She was the most famous. I literally googled how to become famous online You know, I put words like that into google and I found jenna marbles and I found Uh, and she was a hot chick sitting on the edge of a bed in a bikini And I went okay. I'm not a hot chick. I don't have a bikini. I have those skills You know Sal will tell you as italians we do have man style bikinis because it comes with He's wearing a pair. He's wearing a pair right now with grapes on them the banana hammock. He's all about we have to they're comfortable To keep things where they're supposed to be adam. We feel naked with Is what I call them So, you know, I'm looking at this and then I go to another video and it's like some guys like Duck taped a squirrel to a skateboard pushing him down the street and there's two million hits You're like, this is what I have to do and like take that peter Yeah, I'm like, I can't duck. I don't even have a squirrel I'm looking around going I call dean and I said dean. I can't become famous online. I don't have a skill I don't even have duck tape. You know, so He said, well, you need to go figure it out. Yeah, I'm busy over here So I was talking to a nephew and he said you should do a podcast And I said great What's that? How do you do that? He goes? Well, you did a radio show back in the 80s Before I left New Orleans. I had a show called talking fitness Where I was taking fitness to the airwaves and doing this kind of thing before anyone was doing it And it was a pretty popular show. It was more than pretty it had really great ratings and He said you could do that online And I said, well, how how much does that cost and he goes? It's nothing. It's free. It's itunes Just I went, well, how do you give it to it? I didn't know any of this And pretty much six years later, I still don't know any of this I went to a friend who had equipment because she was a voiceover person. I said to her Anna Vochino. I said Anna Can you help me do a podcast and she said well, you can't do one You have to do several and you have to keep doing them And this is the early days of podcasting. Yeah, nobody was really doing it a whole lot Nobody was taking it seriously as you know So Anna and I did three a week at first and she told me she would help me for five or six, but A month later, we're still doing them and we didn't know what our numbers were at first We had no way because itunes wouldn't tell you what your numbers are. They're still terrible They're still terrible giving you a lot of the analytics. It's really itunes is crazy and so finally someone explained to me hook up to Lipson so we went to Lipson and this was about six months in And the first time we looked at our numbers. We were getting at the time about 50 55 thousand downloads a month That's a lot for right out the gates. Especially six years ago. Yeah, this was like six months down the road And I said to Anna. I went holy shit. She goes what I said people are listening to us And she says yeah, I said yeah, but our last podcast we spent an hour Coming up with every name we can think of for a vagina We got his teller One of our first episodes was sparkly taints You guys didn't think anyone was listening right? No, we just shoot it out there We would have some drinks and just go back and forth and just have fun. We're just having fun Wait, we could have had drinks in this podcast Well, now I know I would have done we have to come back. We have to do it again. Let's do this But no, we were sitting there going gash Hatchet wound. Oh my gosh, you know, we were like sitting there doing shit and you know bearded yo-yo. I mean we were coming over to stuff fur burger, you know And we were just going through the stuff Because we were pretty sure no one was listening right And Anna would throw out the c word because women can say that word right, you know and We're doing this whole thing and I said Anna We have said some pretty raunchy shit and but we just kept doing it that way and Now Anna still does the Monday show it's the original show it gets crazy downloads Right out of the gate. I do a Wednesday show Which is by my company pure vitamin club and the Friday show is luminaries It's where I bring doctors in and we talk about real stuff not Vegan fake stuff and it's Saturdays. It's a Saturday listener calling show and every other week I do a children's show on sunday. So it's veni sunday school and We've sponsored up all the shows and they do well and Here we are six years later and the book became when the book came out because now you had the internet clout We had some clout. Yeah, as a matter of fact my agent for the book From levine greenberg danielle schvetkoff When we went out and gave the book to all the big book companies Well, most of them turn you down because that's what they do And two of them simon is houston harper wave harper collins came back and said we love the book We want to do the book But they both wanted to give me a two book deal. They wanted me to split my book in half and flesh out the two halves And I said no, I like the book like this. What's the purpose of that? Why would they do that? Because That's a good question I wrote part fitness book and part biography And they didn't know which shelf to put it on in the single bookstore that's left in the world today borns in noble So I said really are you guys that that? You know foresight you can't you can't see what's right in front of you Right and they said no, we don't know which shelf it would go on So I looked around and and then they said They wanted to give me $60,000 and I said, what am I supposed to do with that? Yeah, I have toilet paper. I can wipe my ass out of this And they said well, you don't you only have 60,000 followers. I said $60,000 I said, yeah, that's probably eight or nine thousand followers If those people buy that book I can make more than 60,000 on my own And then I listened to my words And I went wait a minute I can Make all the money So I self-published And it was the smartest move and I'm telling all three of you guys you have an audience You have something going on if you do a book The stupidest thing you can do even if because now in my second book I've been offered three quarters of a million dollars. I won't take it If you can self-publish a book and you have an audience and it's a good book That book pays dividends month after month after ever green It never stops. It's still on amazon The checks come in It's mailbox money. So we teach we tell people this all the time that Ask us for advice when when getting started with a podcast was You know, what do I don't know how many Guides that we have so we sell what we call like fitness guides So we create these online programs and nutrition guides and we've created all ourself and we sell it all ourself And we tell them if it wasn't for that if we relied on sponsors, we'd be fucking broke I mean, first of all, we didn't take any for the first half of the year Then when we finally did barely paid for the damn lease for the the building that we're in So, I mean if you think you're going to get into podcasting and get rich off of sponsorship You're in for one because you're not going to get rich that way Where you're going to make your money is if you actually create something yourself Whether it be programs or guides or a book, but make sure you do that shit yourself We tell people that all the time. Yeah, you know, the book is the one thing I sell Everything at VinnyTotteries.com is free. As a matter of fact, I'm putting out is coming out next week a 20 page free PDF because I own the term I own the trademark in SNG Which has become this major brand now You see all over the internet in SNG and SNG And I own that and people are trying to figure out what it is So I finally wrote the tome the piece to and I'm giving it out for free It will never be sold. It will always be on VinnyTotteries.com. So if anyone wants to go there It's it's it's going to be free. But when this is coming out next week a couple of weeks Yeah, we could probably release in a week or two. Yeah, that it will be out there And uh, finally people can read exactly what it takes to lose weight to be healthy not to have a problem because Up until now it's been piecemealed and you know, I feel like I've made enough money on the book I do twitter for free every day. I do consults. I have to charge for that because it takes a lot of time But between that and amazon click-throughs and you know, we have two or three sponsors We have Thrive Market Villa Capelli olive oil has been with us from the beginning Oh, man, I want olive oil to sponsor us. Oh, you know, it's olive oil. I eat it I drink it. Yeah, Italians do that Did your grandmother put it in your hair when you were a kid? Yeah That's why they call us greasy a town Go to school and you had grease coming out of your head Yeah, and you know, we have them we have, uh, you know a bone broth company that So the podcast does okay and the click-throughs and everything does okay But if you try to explain that in a business school, they will say, okay, this model just does not work But for certain people it works if you have an audience if you have ears, right Well, if you've created yourself as an authority to if you've given a good message you've given a lot of good free information And then if you also you can tell by the companies that you chose what we're sponsored by Thrive awesome company You know when you've done that there's not a lot of people Which is again what drew me to your podcast that have done that have stuck with their integrity It did not sell out to some supplement company that's pushing a bunch of propaganda and bullshit And uh, you're providing good information for people for free. I think I think when you do that You can make a very good living doing doing this if you do it well, but you don't need a million followers You need a you know Some a thousand or a couple thousand of people that you're really impacting and really helping right and then you can do you could do pretty well and and Knowing that I think people then don't feel like they need to sell their soul, you know, I mean they can remain True to their integrity. So Looking ahead in the future. What's what's in the future for you? Um, I'm hoping to get laid He's all what time is it? Yeah, you know, you're not tired from all them years at playboy god. I would think that would worry Let's just ramp them up. You know, you know, I I'm I'm excited about uh, the vitamin company. We've been doing that for three years now I literally started the vitamin company off of the book money um, I've always wanted to do A pure supplement that didn't have any chemicals didn't have anything except the pure vitamins in them And we we were able to do that with the multi cap. We've done it again with the uh magnesium We put four different types of magnesium in there We did it we made the first sublingual b12 on the market We cannot find another one anything close to it That is not hooked to a sugar cube is actually it dissolves off of a piece of calcium Oh, interesting. And uh, so we're proud of that product And from that money we are creating pure coffee club Where I'm a big time coffee fan and have been my whole life So we're bringing in coffees from around the world and uh, just the highest in coffees and We're gonna do the same thing. We're gonna sell them to people at the lowest possible price. Excellent. Excellent. That's a pleasure, man Yeah, yeah, I have a great time with you. 100% we're gonna do this again for sure. I'm glad we finally got connected, man If you ever come up in the San Jose area come hang out with us. We're doing some whiskey Yeah, our scotch. I like scotch. Okay, now that I know that yeah, we're gonna have that But it's it's mid-afternoon Just wait till you come up to mine pump. Yeah I'd love to man. Yeah, we'll have you out there for sure. 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