 Okay, so this one a little I wouldn't say more complex but I'm gonna try to keep it narrowly focused on talking about active communication as it pertains to sex offenders because you can fall down that wormhole around sex offender registrants and what type of notification and all that registration pretty quickly. So just as a little refresher so we've had a sex offender registry since 1996 in Vermont and there's really kind of two parts when you think about the registry there's the registration piece and then there's the notification piece. So registration is it requires folks who have been convicted of certain types of sex offenses really with there's very few exceptions so I would say in general most sex offenses with the exception of some very minor ones you are required to to register with the Department of Public Safety and the Vermont Information Center which keeps the registry so they are the administrators of the sex offender registry and so when someone is being let's say they're incarcerated and they're being released from confinement there are requirements in current law that for both DOC and for the offender to be reporting information to the Department of Public Safety so that DPS will have the information on its registry about that offender working living and what their reporting requirements are because depending on the level of sex offense sometimes folks are only required to register for 10 years other folks are required to register for life so it depends on their status there could also be things there's also information on there about whether or not they're determined by Department of Corrections as being a high-risk sex offender because perhaps they have confused treatment so there's a lot of information that's contained on the registry and that registry is available to all law enforcement and so it was originally kind of contemplated as a law enforcement tool and then over the years through like the late 90s and mid 2000s whatever it's the the notification piece was really expanded in terms of both passive and active community notification we do have a you can access the sex offender registry on online on DPS's website you can you can yep and again that's been up for years it does not give the dress it gives the town and the county you'll recall that or some of you well is that a number of years ago there was legislation that passed that said that that they could start putting up the specific street address of offender once there was a I can't remember the exact term but it was essentially a positive audit of the registry by the auditor of accounts because at that time there has been a lot of inconsistencies in the registry and to date that that it has not yet received a positive so the addresses are not there but they are available to law enforcement and so but you can go on to the sex offender registry right now anyone can and look up the town the county you could also put in the name of a particular person if you were looking to see whether or not that person was on the registry and so so that information is all publicly available the vast majority of sex offenders are on the public internet registry and you can access them there are some offenses that are the registrants are not on the public registry so for something like Luma Sidious so that might just be kind of a someone who is somebody who group somebody and that's an L&L but if it was involving a minor that would be L&L with child and that's a different offense and that is on the public registry so any sex offenses I'm going to do with children are on the public registry there's another access a way to access the other information about the other registrants but I'm mostly going to focus on the ones who are on the public registry because that's what we're talking about an active community communication provision in 842 so so the way that communication works as we talk about active and passive passive is just where somebody can access the information like I was just talking about so we can go onto the website they can look up somebody's name they can look up a county's aid who were all the six friends living in my town an active communication is when law enforcement or Department of Corrections or DPS affirmatively takes an action to either notify generally the public there were several years ago there was kind of a few years there where there were some high-risk sex offenders who had refused treatment who had maxed out their sentences and DPS and DOC were doing some joint press releases once those offenders were being released back into into the community so that's active communication it could also be something where you have a sex offender who is being released from in kind of incarcerated setting and and then they are going to be living let's say they're under they're going to be under supervision so they're going to be maybe serving their probationary sentence after being incarcerated and DOC has approved housing for them in a particular location and for whatever reason DOC feels as though for the or the registry so just meaning the Department of Public Safety or the local law enforcement agency because local law enforcement always is notified that there's a sex offender moving into town because they always have to keep their address updated with the registry is any of those law enforcement folks can notify at their own discretion neighbors employers other folks that that this person is a registered sex offender talk to them about the offense for which they were convicted and any and certain other information so they have that ability but it's discretionary it's not mandatory and so that was something that was debated again quite a bit probably about a decade ago and the law enforcement said we really want the authority to do active communication but we don't want to be mandated we want to take it on a case by case basis in order to kind of balance the issue of trying to say we have you know protection of the public here but we're also trying to reintegrate this offender successfully back into the community and so that's what you have you see in subsection a in section one so we have that the department anytime you see this one in the sex offender statutes when it just says the department is needs DPS so it means a sex offender registry it so it's either DPS DOC and any local law enforcement are authorized to notify members of the public at their discretion about any sex offender whose information is required to be posted on the internet so I get a sex offender notification by my email and that comes from department of public safety yeah you can sign up for for those on their website yeah so if somebody moves into your town into your community yeah I don't get the address right I don't get aware it's just it's in the community it's what the person's been convicted of whether it's high risk or low risk moderate risk is compliant it's not compliant they'll also don't have information on there about if they're under supervision and if they are under supervision which you know probation office to call if you have questions so you see the new language in subdivision to starting on line 3 is that so it's not less than 30 days prior to an offender being released from incarceration DOC is to notify tenants and owners of any abutting property where the sex offender will reside that the person is on their registry and and they're to do this at this mandatory act of communication in these circumstances one is the offender's information has to be required to be on the internet to the registrar offense was committed against a minor which all of the offenses committing committed against a minor are required to be on the internet and finally the offender is not completed his or her sentence and will continue to be supervised by DOC at the residence so DOC has approved the residence they've committed an offense against a minor they're on the internet already so this would not encompass if let's say somebody maxed out at that point DOC can't control obviously where the offender is going to live that person is still going to be required to to keep all of their information including their specific address current with the registry but this provision is just saying that for people that would continue to be under DOC supervision in the community if the person is offended against a child then DOC must notify the abutting neighbors right now they can do it it's just on a case-by-case basis up to DOC whether or not they can get appropriate so by default let's say they're somebody's getting out that's a sex offender not necessarily against a minor but I'm assuming that a landlord would have had contact with DOC prior to running a place to stay and yeah some it's not somebody's got to know where this person is going currently but that's pretty limited number of people so I'm Tom a landlord you see comes to me and I said Joe Smith's coming out would would I tell them it was a fence if they asked so are you talking about that they would be under their under DOC supervision or not right and so I'm Joe Smith I'm the landlord your DOC company and say well we need a permit for Joe Smith he's coming out we're gonna keep him supervised and I say to you so what was his offense yep so that's already happening yes they're allowed to share a lot of information one for the landlord right because that's we're gonna be part of what DOC does in terms of their you know approving housing right now but they don't they don't necessarily talk to the neighbors you see it's not necessarily caught the they're not required to but it's still up there it's at the discussion so they certainly may do that I mean I've seen there's also been telling the neighbors not everything breaks loose right yeah and that was again for those of y'all who been here for a while I probably remember again probably you know maybe about 10 12 years ago there were a number of situations and where you wound up with people who had maxed out and they kept trying to find towns and as soon as they would know they were notifying and then as soon as they would notify then they would lose the housing and there were a few offenders there were they actually wound up seeing out of state because by doing the notification it meant that they couldn't actually find so if somebody one more to be clear so so many maxes out they they can go anywhere they want yeah because you no longer under supervision they still need a sex vendor registry yeah they are required to be updating their information anytime they notify your registry violation if you do not do that so if I just max out I can go about my my way yes you can well you have to notify you have to notify their registry right and then what the registry does is you're required to so if you're under if you're required to register if to notify the registry in a change of address and then when the registry gets that information they transmit that to the local law enforcement so if I am currently living by my mother registry I'm on Montpelier and I decide I'm going to move to very act to let the registry know registry then contacts very piggy and lets them know it says you know Michelle child's her offenses or these this is their information she's now living in your town and not in Montpelier so this is pretty straightforward however should we agree to this how much work do we undo from previous policies new procedures I mean I would say it is a pretty substantial policy change from where the legislature has been and what's on the books now as I mentioned I think you know is very important for all the folks they wanted the authority to do it but they didn't want to be mandated because of you know again trying to balance the we're trying to reintegrate someone and protect the public at the same time and depending on the person's risk I mean maybe maybe they meet these these criteria but maybe they're actually low risk maybe they've completed sex offender treatment they're engaged in community treatments or circles of support all those kinds of things and maybe do see thinks it's better for them not to do that and that the person may lose their housing and then you know not be able to be released if they did the notification so right now they can do it but they're not required and so do see would have to let you know about what kind of additional burden that would be I in terms of how many people a year would qualify on the offenses against a minor who are being released from confinement but they would they would know that because they have to keep track of all that stuff now thank you Marcia I know it works well I have one in my area and we'll go nobody's mom and he'll come back and release grandmother and every time he moves around to send me an email that he's back in the area yeah and and you can talk to and again if you decide to work on this you talked to DOC about what they do to be monitoring compliance with registry there's also provisions in here about doing about law enforcement doing checks so you'll sometimes hear in the news media whatever that like one town you know like went out and they get registry checks over a particular weekend you know we've arrested 12 people for not keeping their you know not being where they said they were going to be according to the registry so they have the ability to do spot checks and such that sure now we can figure out the work on these two bills I do that decision now we talked about 844 before it says that they were going somewhere they might be a problem to have a police officer go away instead of them to do that I think they do reach out to this department there's issues promise not every time but so what's the thinking 9444 that's the one to carry a weapon people want to work on this or not people also be able to use use of force minute. Okay, looks like we're not. Okay. Eight four two. What are people thinking? I'm, my thoughts are not to work on it. I don't want to put the mandate to the local police to have to do that sort of working. It's not pretty when it happens. I've been through a community where this is happening. The person got run out of town. His parents ran their nineties. Nineties and everyone to take him in. And they were ostracized by the mayor. The ministry for the church group. Other folks. I'm not interested in that. I agree with what you just said. Strongly. I mean, they notify you now. So I don't know why we have to people that know what to do. And also when Ryan was in his hands, he was not addressed this concern. And that was not a minor. The victim is not a minor. So do we want a motion to do to. I would say no. So we agree to not work on each eight of us. So we've made that decision. We think those two. All right. I'll see you next year.