 Joining us now on the Fishbowl Radio Network, the Slam Dog Nation is our friend Jason Tru. He's a leadership expert from www.beextraordinary.tv. Hello Jason, welcome to the show. Hello, thanks for having me on. Hey Jason, I know you probably heard a little bit of that and we're sorry if you got any reverb, but what's your first thought on that being a leadership expert when you hear a manager going off on a customer like that? Well, I mean, that's obviously horrible service, right? I mean, you need to serve your customers and really, I mean, give them what they want and what they need. I mean, talking back or telling them, you know, any sort of thing that's going to be negative or derogatory is just not appropriate how you run it. And today's world, if you're going to put on Facebook, YouTube or anything else, I mean, that's absolutely silly. The problems it's going to cause you. Right. Exactly. Good morning, Jason, Maria, Maria Lucci here, the empowered mom. We're so happy that you're joining us and, you know, from all of your expertise, obviously, that we'll get into, it's all kind of, it's all kinds of wrong, especially when everything can be recorded. But just from a human aspect, I mean, who really? They just wanted a couple of tacos and some extras. And they got completely cussed out and had such attitude. It's unbelievable. Yeah. And what you're going to have also is that you'll have to realize that usually when people are mad in a situation like that, they're not necessarily mad, like the manager at those people as much as some things have gone wrong during the day for that person, right? Exactly. You probably had spilled coffee on himself with late getting into work. And so the problem is, is when you start to offload your emotions and you don't actually are present in your own life and you let all those things accumulate inside of you, you then just start to explode, right? You explode at the first person who comes in your face for any reason that you can justify in your head. Now, what do you suggest to do about that? Excuse me, Derek, what do you suggest? Seriously, I mean, as with your expertise, how do you suggest people effectively deal with those things so that then they don't blow up at their boss about the fact that the cat, you know, peed on the floor? Well, I think you can do things in your life, right? Sometimes, you know, I think getting up in the morning, getting exercise. I think meditation helps. I think doing things, activities that you can do that may help you be more present in your own life on a day-to-day basis. I think there are deeper work to do on looking at the stories and limiting beliefs that are shaping your life, that are holding you back. It's a little bit more deeper work, but at the end of the day, it's a necessity for us all to do it, right? Because I've done this with hundreds of people and typically things that happen under the age of 10 years old are really impacting your life. Hey, Jason, also, not only people blowing up at fast food restaurants like we just played, but, you know, we're in a pretty heated political season. And, you know, I was drawn to you by a little article I saw that you had written out of your book, Social Wealth. And it was talking about politics in the office workplace. And people don't realize it, but politics, discussing politics these days, can get you fired, can't it? Yes, because typically what you're having is people on both sides of the coin, right? You're having people who are conservative or democratic or liberal or conservative or whatever you have. And they want to prosodize their point of view, right? They want to evangelize what they're doing. So you don't usually have a collegial discourse. You have someone trying to convince someone to get to their side. Yes, that's not going to happen because they're pretty hard in their own stance. And what happens is you just go and offend people. Yeah, it's like I always say, trying to convince somebody, you know, about your politics is like trying to tell them on Facebook that their child is ugly. But I'm good. Yeah, can I ask a question out here, too, with Bernie Sanders? Go ahead, Bernie. Sure. Well, what I want to say is if you vote for me this year, you can have free anger, all right? I think there's plenty of anger all the way out there. Speaking of that, Jason, one of the things that you pointed out in your article was that there was a tow truck owner that left a woman stranded because she was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I think that's just taking things a little bit too extreme, don't you? Yeah, I do. I mean, I think, you know, again, I think we're seeing a political season here that we haven't seen in a very long time in US history. And I think you got to be very careful of the politics that you share with other people because it can cause some serious challenges in your life, both in the office and outside of it, as we've seen in that example. And so on social media, too. I mean, are y'all not interested in it? Yeah, you're absolutely right, Patrick. And it becomes so personal. I literally was having this discussion with my 11-year-olds the other day and talking about, well, and they were trying to understand that because we're a news household, all three of my boys are, you know, they can have conversations that are well above many, many adults that I know. And I'm trying to explain these things and, well, what's going to happen and are you going to vote? Well, of course you're going to vote, honey. And then, you know, and I said the problem is, is that people take it from you can have this belief and we can agree to disagree, but we don't have to get in the gutter and make it personal. It can just be we have different beliefs. And it's so interesting that these children, my children can accept and understand that. Adults, adults can't. And that goes back to everything you're saying, Jason. Well, I just think that a lot of people didn't pay attention back in Sister Teresa's debate class, that when you're talking, yeah, or that when you're talking to a corner, you just kind of, you give up, you don't start throwing, hitting under the belt, which a lot of people do on social media. Yeah, because, well, they're nameless and faceless in social media, right? So there's no consequences. And I think that, you know, we don't live in a society with collegial discourse. And I think that's pretty, I mean, you can see that everywhere you go. So I think if people get that, if people get, you know, fat, you just have to let it go. Right. Patrick had a question. Go ahead, Patrick. Well, he had a question. Maybe I know I didn't hear it. I can hear it. Did you ask me a question? Yeah, you ask a question and now we ask you a question and you're going to ask a question because the question is, what is the question? Well, the words that Jason are using, I understand. But maybe some other people, because those words are, you know, they're, I'm just saying, and I'm getting bad reverb over here. I agree. And Patrick, I agree. I'm sorry you're getting the reverb. I think, are you talking about the collegial discourse that Jason's referring to? Exactly. And what does that exactly mean? Yeah, Jason, can you, can you kind of put that in layman's terms? Well, I think it's being mean spirited. Right. I think it's being able to listen to another person and not having to do a personal jive and personal punch at them in the face and just letting it go. Right. Go ahead. With being someone else's point of view, making yours and then just letting it go. And having respect. Just, I mean, like having respect. Exactly. And going, okay, you believe that. I believe this. We can agree to disagree. We don't have to be, you know, to each other. Yes. So Jason, if somebody wants to discuss politics at work, which what they say back in the day, there's three things you don't talk about, religion, politics, and most of the other. Yeah, sex, sex girlfriends. You don't discuss that either. Anyway, if somebody wanted to discuss politics or they find themselves in a situation where politics is being discussed in the break room, should they chime in or should they just say, I don't think this is a place to discuss this. We should talk about this off site. What would be your recommendation? Yeah, I would, I would recommend to people not to have a conversation. If you want to have a good friend at work at lunch or something like this, that's fine. But the thing is you do it in the break room or anywhere people, people can hear you, right? And they, you might get some real opinion about who you are and, you know, that's not necessarily a good benefit for you at work, especially there's a lot of people that can break trust, people can lose respect for you because of their point of view. It can cause you problems in collaboration and communication with others. I mean, there's a lot to lose and I don't think you have much to gain because again, you're not going to convince someone of your side because people just aren't at the point where they really have a pretty hard stance. So the only reason you're bringing it up is to be right. And I tell my clients all the time, you've got a choice in life. Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? And, you know, I'd rather be happy in my life and have a job. And if you do it with a superior yours, it actually could get you a situation where you could really have a hostile workforce, you could get bullied at work or perhaps you could even get fired, right? You live at at will employment. So, you know, these things, they can cause a lot more problems than you think that they are. So you really need to know your environment, who you're working with and people around. I think sometimes it's better to share less publicly than more. True. And you know, the workplace these days, I work for a pretty big corporation. We have to take it seems like every month, these questionnaires that teach us about common sense that us older guys and women know about. But the younger bucks may not and the workplace has really become a tiptoe through the tulips, what you say and what you can't say anymore. It's almost like Orwellian, George Orwell in the sense that I'm here to work, work, work, work, and that's it. But it's really at the end of the day, I think the corporations are afraid of a harassment lawsuit or something like that too. That's a bigger picture, right, Jason? Yeah, I mean, I think the bigger company you have, you're going to be facing a lot of litigation these days. People are going to be very careful about what's going on and really legislate to you what you can or can't do. And I think that, you know, that's life if you wanted to work for a big company today. Yeah. Jason, we appreciate you joining us here on Monday. How could somebody get in touch with you if they have questions or they want to check out your book, Social Wealth? Yeah, they can go to my website, bextraordinary.tv, that's bextraordinary.tv, and there's a lot of free guides on their networking, relationship building, how to get unstuck, and how to stay away from office politics as well as, you know, links to my book, coaching and other things that make sure so. And we'll put this on our website and all of our social media pages as well, Jason. We just really appreciate you joining us. And I look forward to speaking with you again as this political season continues, because it's going to be an exciting and rocky road, I believe. It will be. All right, Jason, thanks for having us and have a good day. All right, thank you very much. Bye-bye.