 Well, it's funny actually, I thought it was time I left the Marines anyway, I thought it was quite tough and actually then I joined the police and I realised that that would toughen you up. You know, first day, Friday, Saturday night in a big town or city centre, you know, going from fight to fight to fight, you soon have a different perspective on life, I tell you, you know, different from the core, not better or worse, just certainly different. But I've had like these three sort of main careers really, so I had the first element, 12 years, that's a lie actually, I always exaggerate Chris, it was 11 years, 11 months and nine days or something, so we'll say 12 years, 12 years in the core, about 18 years in the police, but I made a transition, started making a transition into sort of outdoor adventure and TV stuff, maybe 10 years into that and then at the last eight years solidly being in TV. Yeah, so I went to, I became an LC about two years later, I went down to Poole and actually it was brilliant because, you know, we always say, don't we join the core and see the world, but probably you don't necessarily see that much of the world, but as an LC, I got a deployment on Intrepid, so actually we went to, I don't know, we did a Mediterranean tour, world tour, you know, but just before that, oh sorry when I came back from that, I went back to Poole and then I went off to Northern Island which was then called Snowney and we did Carlinford Lock and Locknate, so I did a, in the end a nine month tour actually, I did six months ago and got extended, volunteered to stay out there because it was just a great job, so in the end did sort of back-to-back tours there, but you know, yeah it's good, interesting, you can't just punch people in the face, that's a no-no, you have to have some rules and then you can punch people in the face, so it was, it's quite difficult to make that transition, and a load of lads, bootnecks, matloes, you know, army lads, they went by the wayside, you know, they just couldn't make that transition behavior, you know, and it's only just being careful what you're saying and knowing your audience, I think, but actually it was great, I did six or seven years front line policing and who wouldn't want to do that, you know, fast cars, going to fights and really adrenalized all the time and new challenges, great, yeah, you know, everything I'd done in the court, particularly as a PTI, and then the police, sort of gave me all these tools, which are going to be very useful in not so nice TV, but the TV and the outdoors, and so you know, you're already there, you can work with helicopters, you can work with boats, you can do risk assessments, your first aid, and medic stuff, which in the police is really high as well, and we had a cameraman actually never been in a helicopter, and we just had to do some GV, so he's going to fly up and down and do some beauty shots, you know, over the camera, so he sat with his legs down there over the side, and I've clipped him on, and so he can't go anywhere, you know, he's got, you know, he's strapped in, if you like, but his feet hanging over the side doors off, and of course I'm just sitting next to him on my phone, just reading my emails, you know, and I noticed as we start to bank the helicopter, he's leaning out the aircraft, his bum's off the ground, because he's going with the helicopter, he's getting sort of fixated on the ground, and you know, he can't really go anywhere, he had about three inches of movement, but it was just funny to see, and he put the camera down like, and he was like, oh, that was really weird, so just by putting a hand on his shoulder, he gave him a bit more confidence, and he was fine, but you know, you only need one or two rides in the helicopter, then it becomes normal, you know, and we get shipped around so much, it's just a, it's just a bus, it's just a taxi, isn't it? Yeah, no, I go cattle class all the time, which annoys me because, you know, some of the directors and producers and other people, they don't, fine, and they maybe aren't the right to be up front, you know, earn a bit more money and all that sort of stuff, but it makes me laugh, they then get to location, and they, in their contract, they've usually got a day off to occur from, you know, jet lag, and old wanker chops here, that, you know, seven o'clock in the morning, straight in the car, start on the wrecking process, and actually an hour later, I could be tying knots and rigging abcells and Tirellinge, you know, and so it's one of my bug bears, but yeah, unfortunately I'm in the back in cattle class, which doesn't mean too bad recently because there's no one in the back, so just before Christmas to Moab, I just stretched out across five chairs, you know, because there was like 11 people flying to the States, but I'm sure we'd be back to normal now. He's a TV presenter, that's what he'll say first and foremost, you know, that's what he does, he's bloody good at it, and, you know, he's got his journey and what he's done over the last 20 or 30 years, but, and it's controversial, anyone on TV, I mean, TV is cheated, you know, TV, to get the pictures that you see has to be to a degree cheated, you know, it was not like we could go away like we did years and years ago and have 30 days filming for two shows, now we have to do the same thing in four days, you know, and so we can't go to a mega extreme environment, for instance, miles away from anywhere, cost too much money, and we can't be filming the shit out of everything, and all the TV is the same, I worked with Gordon Ramsay last week on the show, and of course it is, you know, if it doesn't happen on TV in front of the camera, then it doesn't happen, and so people who love him or love him, you know, as well they do Middleton in a different way. What I would say about Bear is that he's bloody talented, he's good on the ground, you know, his movement and his fitness, and, you know, he is one of the good guys, he's a truly nice guy, he's always trying to do the right thing, and if you just, you know, he's an honorary colonel in the Marines, I know he gets maybe a bit of grief at that, but actually, you know, he's doing it for the right reasons, he's doing it because his dad was in the Corps, and he wants to try and help the Corps with its recruitment, you know, and he's doing his bit, same with the Scouts, you know, and he really is committed to those charities, the Scouts, the Corps, and I think Tusk is the other one he does at the moment with the Rhino, he puts a lot of time and effort into it, so, you know, he's one of the good guys, and, you know, yeah, I like him, I like him a lot. Our next guest speaker, he works for Barry Grillis, his name is Stephen Hetfield, that's me, you know, and I get, they always get it wrong, Bear's name, and my name as well, you know, it was all a bit sort of, wow, he's been the head of a snake and all this sort of stuff, and it was for entertainment, and a few outrageous survival techniques, you know, which you could do, like drinking your own urine, you know, you'd never do that, but actually, you know, you know, never ever drink your own urine, Bear's there drinking his own urine, if you then read between a rock and a hard place, when old Aaron Rollinson cut his own arm off, you know, he did drink his own urine during that, and so, you know, and it's nothing else, it kept his morale going, just wet his lips, and no doubt it wasn't doing very much good, but, you know, he survived, and for whatever reason, so, yeah, I think you're right, Bear, I know he's still like that to degree, we've got lots of new programs, they're doing this You versus Wild, which is interactive, and that has really taken the world by storm, actually, you know, should Bear jump off a waterfall or show he, you know, abseil down the waterfall, and they're both brought there pros and cons, how you decide.