 Well Tony Sheppard, thanks for being here at the Lowy Institute today for the launch of the poll. My pleasure, Sam. And I want to start, you're our representative from Australian business here today, so what's in this poll for Australian business, particularly Australian exporters I guess? Look, I think there's some good stuff in there. I mean the desire to be able to maintain our relationship with China and the US simultaneously is I think a more sophisticated approach from the Australian community. We'd have a concern with the sort of negative response to Chinese investment in Australia, which doesn't match the scale of that investment and really we would say is an ill-informed view of what that means to Australia. So what is the truth? Just let me break in there, what is the actual... About a half percent of our capital stock, so they're very small investor compared to the other countries like the United States and Japan and what have you that have invested over many years. And so I'd say that is a concern because we do rely on foreign capital to not only grow but to survive in many respects. My sense is that Australian business aides are becoming more Asia, literate and more Asia interested in the last few years. Maybe I'm behind the times there, maybe that's been the case for much longer than I appreciate. Do you think Australian business is ahead of the Australian public in that regard? What does the poll tell you about that? Yeah, I think so. Australian business has really taken a much stronger interest in Asia from I guess from Bob Hawkes' Prime Minister ship onwards. If I take my own company, Transfill Services, we've been very active in the old company before we were listed in Asia. We started in Indonesia about a good 20 years ago or 30 years ago almost. So we were working in Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Thailand 20 or 30 years ago. So I think Australian businesses have been engaging quite deeply with Asia for a long time. China has opened its economy up for foreign investment and foreign participation. That certainly brought us closer there. Our trade links with Japan have been strong for a long time. I mean I've been dealing with Japanese companies on major projects for the last 30 years I guess. Japanese companies built all the araring and based water power stations for example. And let me ask you about the Indonesia result because you mentioned Indonesia just now. Australians stubbornly refuse to believe that Indonesia is a democracy it seems. Yeah I think that's a bad thing. I think that's disappointing. That shows that our education system and perhaps even our news system isn't really highlighting the truth about our near neighbours. And Indonesia is a very, very important near neighbour in a big country with rich with resources and I think with a great future. And it's a pity that you know the average Australian doesn't know a lot more about what it's all about. I mean it's more than barley. It's more than you know the odd terrible flood and tidal wave. It's got a lot more going for it than that and it's a pity we don't know a lot more. In some respects I think we've gone backwards on Indonesia. I think our knowledge and appreciation of Indonesia 30 years ago is probably stronger than it is now. Well I think you're right actually on the question of language training as well that we've gone backwards. But the slightly paradoxical thing though in the poll is that we asked Australians how important they thought the economic relationship was with Indonesia. And it seems to me the return on that poll is actually far ahead of the actual truth. But Australians think that the economic relationship is really important when in actual fact it kind of isn't. Yeah it's it's underdone. Yes and again that's an educative process I think to explain to people. I mean all they know about trade is the beef trade, the life capital trade and that sort of really negative stuff which is I think has been overblown of course dramatically and not rear and a bit of tourism they don't but you know they they they seem to have a view of Indonesia which just doesn't match the facts. Tony thanks for your time. My pleasure thank you.