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Michaela, welcome back to the show. It's been a long time. Three, four years? How long now? Five? Maybe five. I think it was 2018, yeah. Wow. We had you on at the beginning of like you starting your... You were the first podcast I did. We were. I think there might have been a tiny one, but you were the first podcast. So you always remember that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we do. Now, hold on. Hold on. Well, now the first podcast where you're revealing to everybody that you're pregnant. This is true. This is exciting. I've just told people today. And you're eight months? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's amazing. So, talk to us about, because you were married before, you have your beautiful daughter. I was divorced with two kids at one point. It was really scary for me, not just to jump back into marriage, but to jump back into having more kids. Was that anything like that for you? Were you struggling with that? Or was it like, no, this is what we're doing? It was more of this is what we're doing. Like I knew, I mean, especially because we've got more of a time limit, I would say, than you do for having kids. So my plan was, I need to find some, not that I just like chose a random person. I was like, this guy will do, I was, I was really worried about finding another person. That was really scary. I'd actually just given up on that because I met people and like, I don't really get along with a ton of people for whatever reason, maybe more disagreeable than the average person. That's just normal for people. But I was like, oh, this is, I'm screwed for a while. But then I met my husband, his name's Jordan, too. People love that. Oh, wow. Yeah. If I can see it in your face. It was a polite smile. Interesting. Yeah, that's great. But we, we, I knew I wanted kids right away. Yeah. Do you know this boy girl? It's a boy. Oh, wow. Yeah. So we've got a girl and a boy now. She's a daughter. She's excited. She's so excited. She's so excited. That's great. So that's really nice. She's been like, you know, that's one of the, well, hard parts about having a relationship that doesn't work. I was like, I'd rather have a kid that has siblings. So I felt kind of bad. Like I know lots of people who are only kids, but she's been like, can I have a baby brother, baby sister? So now it's happening. Oh, that's, that's. You're now in an older, wiser version of yourself when you look back at your parenting, you know, six years ago, what are some of the things that you, you know, you're going to do different or that you plan to do this time that maybe you didn't do the first time around? I'm going to have like, I'm going to have more help. So with Scarlett, I had way less money. So I didn't have very much money. And I stayed home and I worked at the same time and I didn't sleep really for like six months. Cause she was breastfeeding through the night and that just destroyed my mental health, although the relationship at the time didn't help either. But it was just like, I needed, I needed more help. And we didn't have family around at the time. Cause mom and dad were off doing their thing. Cause that was right when things got crazy. It was right before I came on the podcast really like 2017. And so it was just, I was isolated. I was much younger than anyone. Like none of my friends had kids. I was 25 at the time, which isn't, which is young, honestly, especially for people in Toronto or more liberal places, but it's pretty young. And so it was just extremely isolating. So I'm not, I'm like a bit, I was a bit scared of now that I have more going on. How am I going to do this? Um, and so I'm going to have more help. Like I'm, I'm hiring a newborn care specialist to help with the nights so that somebody's there and I don't have to worry about it. Um, and that's making me feel better. We did the same thing with the second one. So we hired, uh, someone to come help with the post care. And yeah, it's so valuable. You mentioned the sleep deprivation and what that does to you. I, I don't think it's talked about enough. People joke about it. Like, Oh, it's so hard. No, it really fucks up your mental state. Yeah. It's like mental torture. It's, it's torture. Yeah. It's crazy. And then the guilt on top of it, like you can't really sleep. Yeah. And I remember with Scarlett, like it was every little, cause your hormones change, so every little sound she made, I was like, awake. And it was brutal for months and months and months. And I was like, I'm not getting into that state again. Cause like that's not good for your kids either to be so stressed about it. Just like, I need to prioritize sleep somehow. So since the last time you were on your podcast has exploded, your content, your, the way you communicate on your show, the guests you have, it's like you've just, every time I hear you and listen to you, like, oh my God, she's better. Oh my God, it's better. Oh my, in fact, uh, we sent some of your clips to our editing team cause we're like, I don't know who's editing this. In fact, I think Adam might've messaged you. Like you're doing such a great job. Talk about the growth because you were not a media person when you started it. No. First of all, what made you start it? And then what was the process like of learning to get better at that? Well, I think because of the diet, like just eating meat, I was invited on quite a few shows because of that and because of who my dad is. And so I was on quite a few podcasts. And then somebody reached out and was just like, you should start one. Like I like talking. That'll work. Um, and I needed, life was so shitty for so long. Like there was the relationship, but it was also my mom and dad got really sick in 2019 and it was just like a horrible period of time. And the podcast was kind of an outlet to like be normal and be brought out of the situation I was in. So I kept doing it, even though I was in pretty rough shape in like 2019 and 2020, uh, from taking care of my dad. So I kept doing it. I liked it. It was growing. People seem to be listening to it. So I always did that kind of on the side, um, from other work. This is like hard to monetize until you have more of an audience. Um, what did you do? But what other work did you do helping dad out? Right. Wouldn't you manage, I managed his brand. So like setting up all the social media channels and then negotiating business opportunities and making sure people aren't taking advantage of him. That's a big one. Uh, so like most of my time, I'm still doing that. Most of my time was that it was like, might as well grow something on the side. I was also worried that I had some negative articles come out about me, um, especially at the beginning when people were like, you're going to die. If you do the carnivore diet. And I was like, it's uncomfortable not being able to talk back to these giant media corporations and say, oh no, I'm not just a weird meat girl. Like I'm a person. I'm pretty normal. I think maybe. Um, and so part of the need for growing a social media, uh, following was so I had a platform to speak back against like articles that just weren't real about me. It was like a safety net. Would have been some of the biggest challenges of doing it so far for yourself. Well, let me see. Challenge. I don't know for podcasting. There haven't been very many challenges. They're the other things in my life were so awful that the problems that we're podcasting were like, Oh, the camera is not working. Oh, I had you on one time when I was in Dubai and it was brutal. That's the worst. That was the worst podcasting episode I've ever done. Yeah. So, but that, it was really bad. Um, that doesn't really happen anymore. But that was like just special for you, but that was pretty early on. Did you hear that? Did they ever go up? It did. And it wasn't. You had to edit all that. It was okay. It was like we managed it. It looked better post-edit than while it was going on. But, um, the complications having to do with podcasting were absolutely nothing. No rough guess, no guess that you just got annoyed with or you didn't like. Oh, yeah. Okay. As I say, that has to have happened by now, right? Oh, yeah. I do, um, opposing views sometimes. So it's usually a contentious issue. Like I just did one on the Gaza Israel issue. Wow. They touched that one. Oh, yeah, that's a tough one. So I had somebody on from both sides that, you know, believe that they're 100% right on both sides. Um, but I've had some opposing views, episodes where I really didn't like one of the guests, but, um, it's pretty easy to stay neutral from just, I usually ask the people the same questions. So it's just a neutral conversation. So I don't have to like debate, not that interested in debating with people who just completely disagree with me. Cause I don't know, you do you. Do you pick your guests just off of like stuff you're interested in? Cause it seems similar to, well, not the same, but similar to kind of the direction that your dad goes in. Uh, but it definitely sounds like it's stuff you're interested in as well. Like, are you specific about it? Or are you like, no, that's what I want to talk about. Yeah. It was just that actually at the beginning, I was trying to figure out health things. So that's right. Yeah. So I was actually using it so that it was at the beginning. And that was partly because dad was so sick that I was like, oh, if I have a podcast, I'll be able to talk to these doctors and see if they know anything that can help us without going the normal medical route. Which worked. So at the beginning, it was very health oriented. Where are you now that you're, you come out and you're like, Hey, I'm having a baby. Are you thinking about any of the potential, I don't know, backlash with your diet now? Because it's one thing to be like, Oh, I'm eating this way and it's just me, but now you're like, Oh, I'm pregnant and I've been eating just meat. Like have you thought about that? Like, Oh shit, are they going to come after me for this? No, I don't care. I don't care like at all. That stuff doesn't bother me even a little bit. Plus I started the diet, like when I was breastfeeding Scarlett, she was four months old and I had my arthritis had come back. And so my wrist was buckling when I like got up to breastfeed at night. And I was like, this is not doable. I'm not getting arthritis again. Um, and I was just eating meat and salad at the time. I talked about this on the first podcast and that's when I went to the carnivore diet and I can't eat other things still. Well, I've got some theories why now, but I can't eat anything still. So I'm not going to provoke an autoimmune disorder so that the public will feel better about the health of my baby. Like having an autoimmune disorder is not healthier for the baby. I'm so glad you said that. But also for people who don't understand this, like autoimmune could be deadly to a baby because you're, you're, you're hosting, you know, a foreign, I guess, entity. And if you're immune system, all of a sudden thinks that that is not good, then it'll attack the child. So you don't want autoimmune shit. No, not at all. And I go like, um, people get different symptoms with whatever they have. I had juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Um, but I had a host of cognitive symptoms and it's the cognitive symptoms that really get me. So if I go off the diet, I still get really volatile and really anxious and really depressed and I can't think and brain foggy and it affects my appearance as well. My face gets puffy and I start getting skin rashes and things. So it affects how I look, but it just shuts off my brain. So there's just like, I would be eating other things. It's been really hard during the pregnancy. Like the one part of the pregnancy, it's been rough, like, um, the craving, like I've literally cried over a cucumber, like seriously been like, this is so like messed up. Um, but I've had, I got hit with a meat aversion, which can help happen in pregnancy. Happened to my wife, actually, for the first trimester, a meat made her nauseous. Yeah. So I was like, that probably won't happen to me because all I eat is meat. I've been only eating meat for like, it's going to be six years in December. Yeah. So next month it'll be six years. It's like, well, my body isn't going to do that. And that is not what happened. I had a meat aversion first and it came back in the third. And so it's just been like, that's been brutal. What do you do when that happened? You just got to force feed yourself. Yeah. I decided that, like I started eating chicken, which I don't normally eat. I usually just eat beef because chicken doesn't make me feel as good. And that's a little bit more palatable, but like it's miserable, miserable diet when you're pregnant. But if I branch out at all, then the cognitive symptoms and the autoimmune symptoms are too bad. Yeah. When you, when you were on the show originally that, that was my speculation that, that the people who do well in carnivore, it's because for whatever reason, their immune systems are hyper reactive and meat just seems to be the thing that, uh, that doesn't cause that reaction. Yeah. And at the beginning, I think when I talked to you guys before, I was like, I felt so much better that I thought maybe people are supposed to eat this way. Yeah. Like it was so mind blowing to me to not be sick all the time that I was like, maybe people are supposed to eat this way or maybe they're supposed to eat a little bit of other things, but like primarily meat. And I still believe that people are supposed to eat primarily beef, but I do think that there's like my immune system is hyperactive and I'm responding to things in an abnormal way and something's triggering that. And now I think it was mold that was triggering that like throughout my life. I used to think it was maybe I have a bacterial infection or a virus and my immune system is just constantly inflamed. Um, now my theory is mold. So we'll see how that plays out. Do you think that have you tested that? Like when you travel, maybe some places and you noticed all of a sudden you feel better. Is that why? Yeah. Yeah. We're worse. That's what my sister has noticed. My sister, after the episode of Sal talking about his mold, she's like, Oh my God, I think we have an issue because I just took vacation for a week and it felt great at a hotel. And then I came back home and all the symptoms came back again. My, my, my theory is more, I think this is what I think. And of course I could be totally wrong, but I, I don't know. I don't think it's one thing. That's the cause. I do think that for some reason, and this is what we need to figure out for some reason, first off, people's immune systems have become more reactive over the last few decades. Anyway, like food allergies. I don't know any kids with food allergies when I was a kid, uh, you know, when my kids go to school, it's like they have whole tables that are peanut free or whatever. So some things going on that's causing our immune systems to become hyper vigilant and in extreme cases, it's someone like yourself. And so they're just more reactive to anything that you could become reactive to things that are in foods, mold, maybe, maybe viruses, bacteria's could be a part of that. It could be almost anything. She got to figure out what the hell is that root thing that's going on because it's becoming more and more common. You know, you're probably running into more and more people. I would assume that come up to you and like, Oh my God, this helped me. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's, I've got a group. It's what there's 18,000 people on Facebook on the diet. Yeah. And these are people that are seriously sick. Like we've been on eight medications and you have to get pretty sick. I feel like to go on only eating meat, uh, to get there. Unless you're like a weird fitness guy that's like, I'm going to try it for a month, those are the people that are forced in that direction. People think it's a cool idea. It's like the people that think it's a cool idea and never last. Yeah, I tried it for a month. Yeah, it was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So how was, how was the business now? So six years later, that's, that's pretty much what you do now. You have your show, you have your, how's it going? I started too many projects and then moved and got pregnant. And so I'm a little bit overwhelmed at the moment, but I do like, I do brand management for my dad. Um, I have the podcast. I've got a supplement company that's like slowly rolling out fuller health. And then we're launching Peters and Academy, like in the new year. That's right. Yes. Oh, that was way too many things at the same time. That was too much, but things are going well. Are you delegating some of it? Do you have someone helping you with this? Okay. Oh yeah. So there's like somebody, there's one person running the supplement brand. Um, and I have, like dad has a number of employees helping his brand. Uh, and then Peters and Academy has like, I don't know, 25 employees. Cause there's a lot going on there, but overseeing that, um, I'm stretched a little bit thin with the pregnancy and the move. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. So, uh, supplements, let's talk about the supplement company. What made you go in that direction? You gave us a, a sample, you gave us a bottle of one of your products. That's for helping the body break down alcohol. Is that the only supplement you have right now? Yeah, that's the only supplement for now. Now why in that direction? Well, I can't tolerate fillers because I'm allergic to everything. I can't tolerate fillers in supplements. So finding supplements that I can take has been impossible. So I haven't really been taking stuff. So what are the fillers that you're talking about? The capsule's gelatin typically, which is okay, right? Yeah, gelatin, gelatin, fine. Even the, like the cellulose capsules, that's fine. Okay. Um, it's magnesium, stearate. That's a problem that's in a lot of them. Um, and that gives me like gut issues almost immediately. So that, but a lot of them have like rice, some sort of rice filler. Uh, it's like, people don't usually make them. Oh, they don't make them because if you, if you work with people who use machines to make the supplements, they use flow agents. To help the machine flow the supplement. Oh, so it just clogged up in the, yeah. So they say, Oh, well, we need to add this additive because it's a flow agent. Now it turns out if you're just picky and annoying, they'll just get rid of the flow agent and go, Oh my gosh, no, the machine still works. So that's what we did. Okay. So you look, you want to create products for people who get reactive or it could be reactive too. Yeah. Lots of different things. Yeah. So the products are literally just cellulose capsule with whatever you want to take in it as opposed to these other fillers. And I would assume most people don't have problems with fillers, but magnesium steroid, I know, can cause issues in people. You know, what's funny about what you're saying? So you're so reactive. It's easy for you to see that you have a reaction, but there's a lot of us that have kind of low level reaction. So it's hard to pinpoint. Um, that'd be interesting for me to try. Cause I take so many supplements, uh, partially because, uh, I probably have a bad relationship with supplements. So I just take lots of pills, but, uh, I wonder if, if that would make a difference for me. I feel like it would. Cause I'm somewhat reactive, not nearly as reactive as you are, but somewhat, I feel like anytime you can remove anything extra, um, whether it's in like the environment or food or just like, just things you shouldn't necessarily be eating, it helps a little bit. Yeah. Do you monetize the podcast? Is a podcast money making for you? Yeah. What was that like? So good. It's, and it's, that's going really well. So I have a couple of sponsors. Um, I'm pretty picky about the sponsors. I just switched like after this mold scenario, uh, from Miami, I, I had to switch the air filter. I was advertising because I was advertising this air filter. And then I realized, oh, there's actually a major difference between air filters and what particle size they filter. I don't know if anyone cares about this. I do. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm interested in it. Cause I know you have big brands like air doctor out there. Okay. Yeah. So what do you want to look for? If you want to use an air filter that gets rid of like, you know, like mold spores. Yeah. So you want to look for a filtration size of 0.03 microns. So there's only a couple of brands that actually go down to 0.03. And that's because they pick up fragments of mold spores, which is mostly what's hanging out in the air. If your HVAC has mold, it's not whole spores. It's fragments. Okay. So it just needs to filter down to 0.03. Okay. We use aero aces. Aero aces is really good. Okay. Okay. Otherwise it's just getting through the filter. Yeah. And so the company I was advertising before, they filtered down to 0.01, which is pretty normal for an air filtration company. And then I was like, oh, that, you know, can't do that one anymore because they're not the best. And I didn't know that until it's interesting. I wonder how many air filters six air filters. I didn't even check that. I hope that's not enough to buy a bunch of new ones. Did you not do air filter because that's what we have in the studio? No, I didn't because no, yeah, there you go. I was trying to save a dollar right there. Guy got that every time. The knockoff filter just pushed it out. They don't sponsor us. That's fair doctor's fault. Sponsor us. And then maybe I'll use your phone. I actually wanted to get it. Maybe you can connect this. I actually wanted to get a air filter sponsor. Yeah. We reached out to another. Yeah. If they send me six samples. Okay. Six samples. Aero aces. Yeah, listen. There you go. So what was it like growing up in the Peterson household? What was that like as a kid? Because, you know, everybody sees your dad and now you're out in the public. So you get this idea. And I can't imagine having like, what was that environment like? Was it like very different from normal? Was it like dad blowing everybody's minds all the time with his talks? What was it like? It was a jokester. I didn't know any different. So I thought it was normal. But then once I moved out, started living with roommates and things. I was like, oh, my dad's pretty eccentric. That's what I thought. It's like, I've got a pretty eccentric dad, especially when I started seeing other people's houses, like our house was full of Soviet Union art. Full. Yeah, that is weird. Completely full. Yeah. We had over a hundred paintings in there. Like every wall was almost a different color. And then I go to somebody else's house and it'll be all white. It'll be like, oh, something's different. But he, he worked quite a bit. Not that I didn't see him, but he did work quite a bit because he had, you know, he taught at U of T and then he had a psychology practice. And then he had a couple of online products that he started like 20 years ago that didn't really pick up steam until now. So he had three things going on all the time. So he was kind of busy. But yeah, our talks were pretty similar to what he lectures about now. So there was a lot of, there were a lot of family sit-downs. If anything was going even remotely sideways and like, we're not leaving this table till it's sorted out. That was, that was normal. Now, how was that as a teenager? Were you rebellious about that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think that's partly because I was, I was really quite sick and depressed and I was so angry. And my dad always said, like, tell the truth no matter what, like, tell the truth no matter what. All right, here it is. Oh, yeah. And so I'd go do something that they wouldn't approve of, you know, like drinking, say, like on a Friday as a teenager, like, what were you doing last night? This is what I was doing last night. And then I get in trouble and I'd be like, okay, you told me to tell the truth and now you're getting mad at me. My brother just wouldn't say anything and he didn't get in trouble. And I was like, well, that doesn't make any sense. So I'm, I getting trouble for telling the truth. But I went like overboard. I was a little chattier than I probably needed to be as a teenager. Look at all these things. So, yeah, I was, I was, I was a bit of a mess as a teenager. But I think it's because I mean, I was on anti-depressants. I was on birth control and who knows? That's not a great combination on top of having an autoimmune disorder. So I was, it was like, I was angry. It influences the psyche. Yeah. I think you said even at one point you were on stimulants to have offset. Yeah. Which also affects the whole gamut. Oh man, I was on, I had, by the time I was 23, I had perfected a mix of cocktails to like keep me fairly functional. Now compared to now, not even close, but I had like Adderall to get rid of the chronic fatigue. I was taking Benadryl at night to sleep. I had the antidepressant. I had birth control, which was partially for my skin. I was on an antibiotic. That was for my skin. And then I was on the immune suppressants for the arthritis. And I was on a prescription strength anti-histamine because I was allergic to everything. So I was on so many things. But when I added in the Adderall, I was like, I'm awake. Now I wasn't like away. I was like, awake. That stuff is insane. Yeah, it is crazy. I mean, I don't know how to give that to kids. I didn't have an Adderall pill until I was an adult in my late 20s. And I'll never forget trying it for the first time for totally not any reason other for recreational reason. And I went, holy shit, they're giving us kids and it was a dose that I knew it was a very low dose. It was the first time I had it and I was blown away by how I felt. And as a grown man going, oh, my God, can we prescribe kids? I got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and then they offered me a prescription for Adderall and I had I stopped taking it because I identified I was developing a not a great relationship with it. And I think to myself, they give this to kids. I could I could tell I could tell like it was it was getting a hold of me. So I just cut it off completely. Not that I needed it in the first place. I'd already done my business and everything. But, you know, they give you something and you feel it and you're like, cool. But yeah, can't believe they give that to kids. I think I was on so much at the time and I was so sedated. And I think part of the reason I had chronic fatigue. I believe the fatigue was there, but I think it was a side effect with the antidepressant because I was on a high dose of an antidepressant. And I was on it at such a young age that I didn't know. But I think the chronic fatigue might have been a side effect. So I was balancing side effects. So when I took Adderall, I was like, I'm finally awake. I can think. But then when I started to go into the paleo diet and I started to get off of my medications, the Adderall like changed and it got rid of my sense of humor. It destroyed my appetite the whole time, but it really impacted my sense of humor. And I started getting foggy. So it wasn't like I woke up. It was like I'd get overly focused on one thing and like obsessive. And it just, it wasn't fun. Not that it was fun before. It really was just like hyper caffeine. But once I started to go paleo, I was like, Oh, this is not good anymore. What was the coming off for you? Did you have to do like one thing at a time or did you go cold turkey? What was it like coming off everything? So I made a huge mistake there. And I stopped taking the immune suppressants. I didn't have the support of any of my doctors because I was like, it was 2015 at the time with a paleo diet. So my doctors were just like, you're crazy. And so I stopped the immune suppressants. I didn't tell my doctors. I was lying, actually, because you can get fired in Canada for going to a rheumatologist and not listening to what they say. So I was like, yeah, I'm still on it. And it's like, okay, doing well. Like, yeah, whatever. But so I stopped that. And then when I went gluten free, I stopped that. Um, and then when I cut like grains and processed foods and soy and dairy and eggs and like cut a bunch of things out, I stopped everything else over a two month period, pretty quickly. Like I would say, Adderall, I just stopped like most of the things, things I just stopped anti-depressants. I stopped in two weeks and I felt amazing. And then I got hit with anti-depressant withdrawal, which I didn't even know was a thing. How long does that take to kick in? Usually, or how long it started two weeks after I stopped taking it. What does that feel like? It feels like you're trapped in a horror movie permanently. So just fear? Yeah. Fighter flight, I had skin sensitivity. So I had to stop wearing like, I still don't really like polyester, but like I couldn't tolerate polyester or really soft touch. It just felt like it almost hurt. Um, I wasn't able to go around fluorescent lights easily because the fluorescent lights hurt, different sounds hurt, like everything hurt. And, um, at the time, foods really made that worse. And I attributed all of those symptoms to food reactions. So I was having these food reactions for like three weeks, um, that I don't get anymore. And I know that that was from coming off of anti-depressants because, uh, I've talked to a lot of people who've come off of anti-depressants. Anti-depressant, like psych med withdrawal. I got off of Oxycontin when I was 17 after I had my hip and ankle replaced because I was on them for a year. And that was unpleasant for sure. I, um, I could probably feel my brain recover for about a year after that in increments, anti-depressants were a completely other monster. Really? Yeah. I've been on them since I was 12. So 12 to 23. Well, sure. And I was on a high dose. Um, and these are SSRIs, just typical. Okay. Yeah. I was on Cetalopram and, um, it was horrible. Like I would not recommend anybody just suddenly stopping those. I didn't know that anti-depressant withdrawal existed. I knew that opiate withdrawal, alcohol withdrawal existed. Um, but not psych med withdrawal, which is just like, whew. There's a reason people have a hard time getting off those. I didn't even know about opiate withdrawal until I experienced myself. I tore my ACL MCL and was the first time I'd ever been prescribed Vicodin. And I remember coming back to the doctor and telling him that I was at the time the prescription was like one every four hours I was supposed to take. And I remember telling the doc like, man, I'm still in a lot of pain. They said, well, how are you taking it? You go, well, I take one, you know, when it hurts, it starts to hurt something. They're like, Oh, no, no, no, no, you need to stay ahead of the pain. And so they're like, make sure you take it at four or earlier before. And so then I'm like, you know, religiously taking this thing for like six months. And then I remember like, okay, I was, I knew I was healed. I was back to training and stuff like that. And so I just cut cold turkey. And then the next day had like the most awful flu symptoms. And I couldn't sleep that night. And then the next night, the symptoms were even worse. And I'm like, man, I still had some of those pills. I'm like, I'm going to take one of those because that'll help me sleep. And I took it and it went, everything went away. And I went, oh, shit. And then right when I got on the internet right away, I started searching. I'm like, oh, I'm going through withdrawals right now. I had no idea. And they don't communicate that with you when they prescribe them to you at all. No, no, they just kind of casually, like sometimes, maybe not for you, for Oxycontin for me, it's the, it was the long acting one. And so that saturates your receptors almost constantly, which is what psych meds do, which is why they're so hard to get off of. Because everything, everything up regulates, down regulates, right? Yeah. So getting off of that, I weaned down, like they said, over a two or three week period as fast as I could tolerate. And then when I cut it out, yeah, I had the same like sweating, flu, like symptoms. I had this sensation of ants crawling under my skin. I remember like lying in my parents bed being like, wow, this is really uncomfortable. I bet if I took one, it would go away. And I remember thinking that and being like, hell no. But what I should have done is just gone down slower, instead of just stopping. But I'm so tired of being on them after a year of like sedation from painkillers. So awful. Do you think going through all that, because I mean, you know, when you hear about the medications you were on, the arthritis you had as a kid, which was so bad, you had to have joints replaced going through the whole process. You think that's just made you like, do you look back and be like, I'm glad I did that because it's made me who I am. And I'm really tough. Or you're like, fuck, that's, that's tight. I don't regret very many things because I think that's made me tougher. Like you said, I would like to stop other people from going through the same thing. They can have other things they go through that make them tough. I think it's unnecessary. So it's mostly that like, it's like nobody needs the frustrating thing about the joint replacements is like, hip is pretty good. The ankle, it's just, it's not a real ankle. A real ankle is way better than a replaced ankle. A replaced ankle is better than an ankle with no cartilage. But like, it's not great. And if I'd found the diet and been able to put myself into remission faster, you could have saved the ankle, but the ankle is like, it's gone. So it's frustrating to be like, well, that's just me. Now, as a mom, right? Going through all that as a kid and all that stuff. And, you know, you, you have a different view of the medical system than most people because you got to see the bad side of it. How are you with your children going to the doctor and dealing with things? Are you, are you like, you have to like carefully pick the right doc because you think they're like super hippy mom now or what? Yeah. So like, where are you on that spectrum? Are you like the super crunchy hippie? Like we're not or. OK, yeah, I'm like way into hippie zone. And I do not, I do not have the personality of a hippie person. You don't know. At all. So. So you're not like, oh, that's sweet about it. Oh, yeah. You're like, fuck off. Yeah. So no, I've told her, I mean, I've told her that there are good doctors and bad doctors. And just because they're a doctor, you don't trust them. But I tell her that with for like any. Sure, that's everybody. Authority figure. There's just people like just because they have a title doesn't mean they're trustworthy. If anything, be more skeptical. But we've pretty much avoided the medical system. Now I work with some good doctors. Like, especially since we got sick from mold, I'm working with a great doctor. And now that it's not, now that it's like 2023 there, you can go out and find good doctors. So we just avoid the like mainstream medical system. If I ever needed to bring her to a doctor for whatever reason, it would be a specialist in whatever's wrongs like mold or an integrative doctor. Are you doing, are you doing traditional birth? Yeah. Or are you doing at home? At home. Oh, traditional. I was figuring like, how far back is traditional? Oh, so you're going to do that at home? Yeah, I had scarlet at home. That's great. Yeah. Have you talked about that at all? I did with scar, I didn't talk much about it. I had a blog at the time, so I was blogging a lot. But I was so traumatized from the medical system that I was having panic attacks going into hospitals. Bad place to give birth, if you're- I would say in the middle of a panic attack? Yeah, not great. So usually when people ask me like, what do you think I should do? I say, go wherever makes you feel safest and give birth there. So a lot of people there, they have a lot of trust in hospitals and they can get set up and then they feel like they've got backup people there in case anything goes wrong. And they're going to freak out if those people aren't there, then they're probably better off in a hospital. But I did research on how often there are interventions used. And I mean, they're used in hospitals, they're not used at home. No. Why? I don't know, but I'm definitely going to stay at home. I hate hospitals. They smell weird, the lighting's bad, there's always buzzing noises, there's weird smells. So I was enlightened on this on our podcast. So we did a podcast, I remember what episode it was early on. And I made a comment, something along the lines of like, oh, women, modern medicine has saved so many women because women used to die from childbirth all the time. Just a passing comment. A midwife emails us and says, no, you're totally wrong. Like natural childbirth is very successful, very whatever. And so I looked into it and there was a documentary, The Business of Being Born, you might have seen that. I don't know if you've seen that. I haven't heard of that. Oh, cow, you got to watch that. Oh, you're going to love that, especially you're about to give birth. Oh, that does sound fun. Yeah, especially since you're about to give birth. So it was about how the c-section rate is for the roof and there's the escalating interventions that tend to happen in the hospital where you go in, you're not progressing fast enough, here's a pitocin. Oh, now it's too painful, epidural, now you can't push the baby out, c-section type of deal. And it blew my mind because I watched it and said, everything's an emergency. Yeah, like of course, this makes perfect sense, like why it would be this way. So we did, we tried to do it natural with my three-year-old, didn't work out, we experienced the scale of interventions with him, which was like, oh my gosh, this is terrible. And then my youngest, we were able to do it the way we wanted to. And it was such an incredible experience. But I remember learning from a midwife that, and they said, look, when animals are giving birth in nature, when danger comes or they feel danger, their body stops giving birth, so they can get away. So if you're, the reason why a lot of times moms are like, oh, I'm in labor, taking the hospital. And they're like, oh, labor stopped because of the anxiety and the fear, I'm in the car, get over here, prod, you check it, whatever, you want to create an environment where it's like, you feel totally safe. So the whole process. That's why I think her advice, actually, to people that ask, that's really good advice. So I was just gonna say, go where you feel safe. Well, the thing that really got me was that if you get stressed out and your cortisol goes up, which just happens if you get stressed out, that directly lowers oxytocin, which is what induces contractions. That's enough. Don't stress out. So whatever you do, like, get ready to be as zen as possible and let your body do its thing and then your body knows what to do. Generally speaking. Not to mention, this is such a fascinating topic because like a year ago, we just had Dahlia, but not to mention just the, like the contractions that you get naturally versus the ones that are induced by pitocin. Pitocin contractions are like, boom, like very regular, they hate you hard. Whereas the natural, it's almost like the body will go with as far as you could tolerate. In fact, there's like a period of break. There's like a break when you're, oh, we're getting there. And then all of a sudden you have like 30 minutes of no contractions and then the next one's come and then it's time to push type of deal. This happens in natural childbirth. I had no idea. And the midwife's like, oh, your body is working with you. I'm like, oh my God. Our course, our doula and the doctor almost got into a fight. It was crazy how fast they wanted to push. Yeah, wanted the same experience. And she was, and the doctor's telling Katrina that and the doula's looking at her and saying, no, you don't have to. You're fine. You're fine. That's so stressful. Crazy, right? Right in the middle of that, like have fun with not having high quarters all in that situation. Right, please. Yeah, please. Are you gonna have Scarlet there? Is she gonna be in the, when you push or are you gonna have her out? No, I think it's too much. Maybe, right. She's just wild. Yeah, it's just too much. That's a little much, bro. Well, some people have their children in them. It's an adventure. Never having kids after that. That's real hippie. Some people, yeah. Too far hippie, yeah. That's just the whole family's son to be sent out. That's right, baby. How was she as a little girl? Is she, I mean, you were rebellious about, you said, when you grow up. Was she like that too? Did she have your spirit? She's more stubborn than me. I don't think I actually was that stubborn. I think I was just really sick and then really angry from all the medication. Like, I really think it was that. She's more stubborn than me, but she's really easy. She's a really easy kid. It was rough. Like, we moved from Canada to Nashville to Miami and now we're in Arizona. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, because we moved to Nashville and she got sick and I started seeing symptoms that she had that I had when I was a kid, like chronic bronchitis. And she wasn't like running around, being a happy little kid, which she was doing in Canada. She was just like sad, kind of. I don't know if it was depressed, but just suddenly she got quiet. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's got like bronchitis all the time and she's quiet. Something's wrong, something's wrong. Something's wrong. That had to terrify you, huh? Oh, just horrible. And I was like, I got her tested for tree allergies. She had all the tree allergies. I was like, okay, this is not heading in a good direction. And so we moved a bunch because I thought it was tree allergies at the beginning, but it turned out it was these stupid moldy houses. So she, now that we've moved to Arizona and we're really aware of like what's in our environment, she's a completely different little girl running around. She's way more extroverted than she's been in like two years. Oh, wow. Her stomach aches are gone. Like so. I noticed a change in my son's personality. Yeah. He was way more irritable. I mean, he's still oppositional anyway. I mean, he's gonna be, he's my son. My wife is even worse than I am, but he's definitely happier. He's less annoyed or whatever. So, and we think it's that. And it's only been, it's only been a couple months. Yeah. It has to make you think, like how many parents are dealing with that and have no idea. Well, they give their kids, you know, medications or they numb them with other things. Cause they don't know. They have no idea. How did you, how did you work out? If you don't mind me asking, how did you work out custody with Scarlett? That was such a tough, that was so hard for me. Cause my ex-wife and I split, we're dual custody. We work together. We live close to each other, but that's so hard because every, still, I mean, now I'm like, what is it, seven years, eight years later, you know, saying bye to my kids every other week. It's really, really tough. How do you guys manage that? Oh, it's miserable too. The pregnancy hormones has made that so much harder. Really? Like I, I could stuff it down. Mama bear comes out more or whatever. It's brutal. You can kind of, cause you're in that situation and that's the situation. You have to make the best of it. So you kind of like stuffed down. You're like, yeah, no problem. Like go have fun. I'll see you next week type of thing. But with pregnancy hormones, poof, it's like gonna make me cry now. It's rough. So you guys do, you guys split custody? Yeah, we split custody. We go back and forth weekly and he's moved too. Oh, I was just gonna say, so he lives near, well, that's good. Yeah. So you guys work, I mean, together generally, to co-parent? Yes. Okay. Well, obviously if he moved here, I mean, I had a bit of negotiation. Well, you know, I asked because- That was a negotiation for sure. Yeah. Because when I talk about it on the show, I always get messages from moms and dads because their situation is much more challenging where the other person doesn't want to participate and that's gotta be tough. Yeah, we're trying to get salad to move out of California. I can't because I don't want to be near my kids. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys work that out, right? That's good. Yeah. Having money helps those situations. Yes. It does a lot. Thank God, yeah. You must have purposely moved to Arizona then because of the dry weather. Yeah. Wow. And I mean, I really like Scottsdale. Like I really like Scottsdale, but it was. I was like, I'm never dealing. I'm pretty sure most houses, I looked at the stats to have a mold issue. Yep. And in places like Florida, like you have to actively try to not, like it's impossible. It's too humid there. So I was like, well, Florida is not the place to be. I'm going to the desert. I was so sick. I was like, I'm going to the desert. Scarlet's sick. I don't want her to get sicker and then develop something. The doctor I was talking to was like, little kids recover really quickly if they've been exposed to mold. You're going to have a harder recovery than her. She just needs to get out of it. But if she stays in it, then that can progress into auto immunity and all these allergies and things. And I was like, okay, we need to get out desert. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Smart. So when you were younger during all that, were you dating? Did you bring boys home? What was it like with your dad? Like he seems like he could be an awesome cute. He seemed super intimidating, I would say. Or super intimidating. He was intimidating. So the first person, and this was just like a middle school, like date type of thing. Like pretty young. Yeah. The first person I brought over who'd told me that he loved me and I told my parents, I don't know how it got. I think my dad had probably asked, like, does he love you looking at me? And he had like a sit down with the person. Oh my God. Who was just this like... Like 13. Kid. Yeah. He was like, why do you love my daughter? And he was like, yeah. I was like, okay, this is not ideal. What are your intentions? Yeah. It was not, yeah, not ideal. There was a lot of, yeah, what are your intentions? Type of thing. So it was a tough then just bringing boys home and trying to... I'd imagine he probably made a lot of boys feel really stupid, I'd feel like. Because he's so intelligent, I think that he could probably just unpack anybody. See, I would have loved it because that's me. I'd like to sit and talk. You're a dork like that, though. Yeah, so. But I could see how that would also scare the shit of some kids, so. He's pretty like, he's a compassionate guy, though, so he wasn't just gonna terrify them and be like, ha. What about mom? How was she when she... Mom is a scarier person, right? He says too. It was true. I used to so bring friends home and my friends initially would be scared of dad because he's louder. And then after like the second time they came over, like, oh no, your mom is the scary one. Oh, what did you see? Oh, mom was the scary one, but she's really good at... She's really good at boundaries and judging people and figuring out what people want. She's like more skeptical, but she's spot on. And my dad's more trusting. Oh, interesting. And so people get in. Like I had one night where this is in like my debauchery years, I was... They were like, what are you doing tonight? I was like, I'm going over for a sleepover with my friend. And I'd ask my dad if I could go do things cause he'd say yes. And so I asked him, he's like, yeah, go ahead. And my mom was like, you know, first, like where? Who's going to be there? No. So that was like mom, but she was like spot on. She was completely right. So I got away with it. My dad would say yes. He says, yeah, yeah. That's fine. My mom's like, no? So you're protective cause you said you managed his brand to make sure nobody, you just mentioned like nobody takes advantage or comes in. So are you, were you like the gatekeeper for a while because your dad is more trusting? Yeah, still is. Yeah? You still are? Yeah, yeah, I still am. I also think it's been hard for him to get an online following maybe when he's older and being so compassionate. So usually when people come up to him and say, okay, I'm going to do this for you cause I want to. Oh, right. And he goes, oh, this is a great person. I was like, no, what do they want? Cause what do they want? And so I'm the person there that goes, what do they want? And like, if they don't want anything, what do they really want? Cause that doesn't happen. That like, you come across the rare person that does something for nothing, but I'm so skeptical now compared to what I was five years ago. I don't think most people are like that. Unfortunately. That's who that is for us. Yeah. But we're all presuppitable for sure. But we're older. So I've been around for a little while. Yeah, but I can only imagine like, right. And we're in the similar boat cause we weren't social media people until all this stuff. And so it's, you know, if you get somebody who tells you, oh, you're not doing this and I can help you do that. And it's like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing here. Yeah. That's when they get you at the beginning when you're like, no, you're right. I don't know what I'm doing. So we, we went through that brutally. Like as a family for the first three years of growing social media and having dad's brand with business people coming in, fricking business people coming in and like, I'll run it. I know what I'm doing. You don't have a business story. You don't know. And we're like, well, I don't know. And you sound like you know what you're doing. And we just got raked over the coals from some business people. Oh yeah, taking huge amounts of money for nothing, for making our lives a lot more difficult. Setting up like corporate structures to keep dad from being sued. Just in ways that were so stupid. It's hard to even describe how badly things were run. But it took three years to figure out that because they're like old lawyers and things. You're like, oh, you have a practice and you got recommended to us. So you must be okay. But I've just made the rule that if you're hiring or talking to someone and you don't know what they're talking about and they tell you it's because you just don't get it, then don't work with them. Because if they can't explain it to a five-year-old, they really don't know what they're talking about anyway. 100%, that's for me one of the biggest red flags whenever somebody comes to us and tries it. Jargon. Talk to us about working together, partnership or whatever. If you can't sell what you do to me in less than 30 seconds to where I understand it, no, that's a huge red flag. You should at least be able to do that. And we've had a few people that sit down and like an hour into it. We've gone through a lot. What do you do? We've gone through a lot. How was it taking an hour to figure out what somebody does? Oh, you didn't get it because you don't have a business degree. Oh, those aren't even words you're using. They're made-up words, don't give me that. That's so awesome. I love that. Do you have a, is there like a goal or an in-game for you in building all this? Like, do you have like, oh, I wanna reach a certain point or build it to this and then sell it off? Or is this something I wanna do until I'm old? Like, have you thought that far? Like, what's your, all the things that you're building, you have your hands in? Yeah, a bit. So Peterson Academy, assuming that's not a giant flop, which I don't think it's going to be. I think that'll work out. If that brings in money, I'd like to become wealthy enough that I can start to impact the healthcare system. Because I think that the people that impact society are like the billionaires. And so that's why I'm working on things because the healthcare system just like wrecked my family. It almost killed most people in my family. And there's so many, it's so badly done. It's so badly run. And I feel like if money could get pumped into certain sectors or if the propaganda used was actually true information as opposed to like, here's the standard food pyramid. I feel like if somebody had enough money, they could start to influence that. So that's what I want to do. So I want to make enough money. So I have my like hands and all these pies. What's the saying? Oh, pots. Is it? You can't say pies? Well, I don't know why you would have a hand and a pie. Okay. Iron's in the fire. Iron's the fire is what it is. Iron's in the fire. I mean, we understand. I've had a pie for a long time. It might be the pregnancy. Your hands and pies. You know how they make like vegan foods that look like meat, like fake nuggets? Do you do like, do you get like fake? Fake cucumbers? Like vegetables made out of meat to help yourself out. I like, I've tried to like, maybe if I make something crunchy, it'll like resemble lettuce. No, I saw a vegetative thought about making things crunchy, but like meat tastes like meat. Yeah, you know what I was talking about. You can make it into chips at least, meat chips. Yeah. I know. Yeah, but don't like the pork, you've had the pork chips. Oh, like, yeah, but, Yeah, yeah, we've had that. Like what, pork rinds? Yeah. Some chips the other day that were like. Yeah, but they use some fillers in that too to keep it, to make it a chip. Do you know carnivore snacks? It's meat and salt. Oh yeah, yeah. The ones that Doug had was just meat and salt. Oh yes, I did have those. Yeah, those are really good. Yeah, so those are good. So you can make meats into chips. And then you have like soup, I guess. Different forms of like mushiness of meat or crispiness of meat. Is there a part of a cookbook? Yeah. Like repages. I have a ton of recipes on my website from like six years of desperately trying to get some variety into my life. Yeah. Are there any you're excited about? Do you have any recipes? You're like, oh yeah, I can eat this. I'm so tired of meat. Oh yeah, I want to make, you can slice tendons apparently and then boil them and deep fry them and they turn into puffs like pork rinds. Yeah. Oh, interesting. And I saw that like during pregnancy and I was like, that I need, I need those puffy tendons maybe. What's the oil you use? Tello? Tello. Okay, so it's all beef. Yeah. It's literally just different forms of beef. All beef all the time. Yes. That's awesome. That's great. So was it you that got, that invited us to ARC? Because I feel like that was the connection that got us invited to go over there. I helped with, dad was like, who should we bring? And I was like, well, you should probably bring people with an audience. And they'll talk about what they experienced. Maybe that's what I would do if I was trying to spread awareness about an event. So yeah, I helped put together the list. Awesome. Was it cool? That was amazing. Yeah, it was great. It was funny though. This is why I wasn't there. It was funny though. I was looking forward to seeing it. A lot of people couldn't figure out why we were there because then you have, I mean, it was like a government parliament people. You're stuck out a little bit. Oh yeah. Well, there were like, there were a lot of government people. It was like, no need government people there. We need podcasters. Right, okay. We discussed that a little bit. It was incredible. It was about when the politicians would get up to speak. You could tell. We were less interested. I didn't need to know they were a politician. You could, you know, politicians talk. It's like, I'm a little over here, but I'm over here too. And I like everybody, but I don't like this. And it's like, yeah, I hate that. Yeah. That was actually a bit of debate by us because Sal made the poll. I wonder why Jordan had him there. I mean, he's got to, he probably asked to have some of them on his side. So part of his- To help influence that. Yeah, to help influence. So because he was like, it's so weird that he would have them speak because they didn't feel like it was aligned with everybody else. That was my speculation. I don't know everybody who spoke, but dad's also like, he's been interested in politics since he was a kid. He was volunteering with the NDP party in Canada. I guess the, yeah, new democratic party. So I've just deleted Canada from my brain as a place of existence. But he volunteered there as a kid and he thought about becoming prime minister. I know when I was a kid, like it came up like maybe this, even though he wasn't involved in politics. So he likes it. God, I wish he became prime minister. It would be nice to have your neighbor to the north. He's not- Not be that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that would be nice. It'd be nice to go back and visit there without this like feeling of horror in the air. That's still there. Even though COVID is like long gone. Crazy. Do you know if he plans, is art going to become a annual thing? There was, we were all speculated to you. I remember Max thought it was going to be like the TED talk, like a more conservative TED talk and there's going to be more of these coming out. That'll be virtually, or is it going to be an annual thing you think? I think it's going to be an annual thing. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, that'll be very cool. And I liked it. I was super skeptical at the beginning because I'm always skeptical. So I was like, who are these art people and what do they want? They just want the marketing power. What are we getting in return? But then I went and sat in on a board meeting and they're really focused. I do think that those people are really focused on trying to send a more positive message for the future. Yeah. So I was like, okay, I can get behind that. No, it felt that. I mean, I literally got emotional a handful of times with some of the speeches. Oh, that's cool. I've seen some pretty motivational ones that came out of that. Yeah. The girl, the CEO, so who ran it was super impressive. Except, oh, she came in with fire. Her opening speech was, I mean, to be in there and not get like goosebumps from it. Oh, that's cool. I haven't seen that. That's Philippa's. I haven't seen that one yet. She ripped right out the gate. And there were a lot of talks that were really, really good. So we had a really great time. Great. I was sorry to miss that. And I was like, eight hour time difference from Scottsdale or something like that. Plus flying. I was like, oh, I'm too like. I'm not pregnant. It was rough. Yeah, yeah. So there's no way. So are you going to take a break from work and stuff? I think I have to, I'm going to podcast up until December and that'll be a month away from the due date. But so I have the next two weeks are like, oh my gosh, there's a lot of podcasts in the next two weeks. So I'm stacking all the podcasts so that I can release through February. So that's a month off after. I think I'm being like optimistic about how fast it takes to recover because I remember with Scarlett, it was pretty rough for like, I think it was six weeks. I was like, maybe this time it won't be like that. So I'd rather keep working. I really like working. I got something for you because now you're like, okay, I have more flexibility, more money. Get a postpartum physical therapy. Have them come to your house because there's a company called Luna that you could work with. So then if you can't work through them, try and find one that come to your house. If you do corrective, like specific to postpartum exercise, night and day, night. In fact, it's the most, I think it should be mandated. I wish it was available there. Because what your body goes through, not like right now. The abs separation is horrifying. Yeah, your muscle recruitment patterns are different. They have to be because you have a different shape and whatever. And then you have the baby and people are just like, yeah, do nothing until, no, really good correctional exercise so that it's appropriate. Night and day, you'll recover so much faster. So yeah, I'm looking into that. Yes. Yeah. I was told so with Scarlett, I was like 10 days afterwards. It was like, oh, hormones are gone and feeling more like myself. This is great. And I just picked up about like seven pound with a seven pound baby. So like 15 pounds with car seat because I was supposed to go see cold play because my dad had been invited backstage and I was like, Not missing that. This is amazing. I love cold play. And I picked her up and I throw out my back. Yeah. That was way worse than childbirth. That hurts. Like I couldn't move. So then I was in bed for like a month from throwing out my back because I had like no abs because it was 10 days after giving birth. Yeah. Not doing that again. Do the postpartum therapy and then we'll send you if you don't already have access. You should have access to all our programs, but if you don't, we have a program called Map Starter, which is perfect after the therapy. So after you get cleared, then you follow that worthwhile investment to have someone there for sure. A hundred percent. But some of that specializes. Yes. We'll we'll have the time. There are people that'll come before like the six week period that you're supposed to wait. Yes. Yes. We'll do very like baby movements for you at first. That's really and then ease you in. Yeah. In fact, the postpartum doula, if you're working with them, sometimes knows certain things that will help as well. I just have midwives right now. I don't have a doula. Yeah. Yeah. It's called postpartum doula. They're similar. They're midwives. No, I mean, midwives are like the top. Yeah, yeah. But like the postpartum one literally comes to your house. So we had someone come to the house every day for four hours. And this was for I want to say the first eight weeks. I think we did it. And they know the foods to prepare. They know obviously baby care, infant care, mom care, you know, help with breastfeeding, all that stuff. OK, cool. Yeah, so worth it. Good deal. It's going to get all the people. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Unfortunately, we're running out of time because we had to book a studio. So that sucks that we have to cut this. But it's so great seeing you again. Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah, and I'm so excited. I just found out that you were pregnant because he told us that we weren't supposed to say anything. So I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so pumped. And now. Well, this is close. Now that we know you're here, we actually come over here at least a couple of times a year to speak over here. So we'll come over here and we'll link back up with you. For sure. Oh, cool. Yeah. Now that we know this place is here, so we'll link up with you. Yeah, great. But thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you.