 of business as an executive session. So anyone who is not on the select board other than Sarah should do you want to could you do you want to consider inviting Darinda you have to invite both me and Darinda. OK, I agree with that. But how do we can you put other people in the waiting room and then bring them back as soon as the executive session is over? I don't want to I'm afraid if I remove them I remove them forever. So Bill McManus if you could possibly just log out and then I can leave and come back in that. I'll put you in the waiting room. Charlie that's got to be Eric. Can you I'm just going to put him I'm just going to put these people in the waiting room. Oh I didn't know I could do that. That's great. Sandy I'm going to put her in the waiting room. I wish I could run my household this way. Out of executive session at five twenty nine. OK, welcome back everybody. I want to start the recording Sarah. Thank you for the reminder. I always forget. I saw a little red light come on. So who would like to make that motion Liz? So we're making the motion to do the job offering. That's what this is. Yes. OK, so I move that we offer the job of road foreman for middle sex to Shane Bricky and contingent upon the salary that Liz and Peter have discussed with him and his hire would be effective January 4th. Is there something else I need to say? I'll second. I think that's I think that's fine for the motion. Maybe Steve has something he wants to say. Well let's let's get through this. Well I think I should say it before the vote. Oh I'm all set and I will recuse myself from voting. OK, so so with that all those in favor of the motion please say aye. Aye. And Steve Steve recused himself. Any opposed? OK, we're we're we're on the path. Thank you everybody and thank you for your thank you for your patience. Uh so your workshop. We have two other things first. Yeah we have two other things first. Oh you I do I do say that it's oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I was so first of all we're supposed to consider and act upon the middle sex planning commission's recommendation that Kevin Thompson be appointed zoning administrator for a three-year term. Is there a motion? So I wanted to hear from Sandy because I don't know anything about Kevin Thompson. Is Sandy back on? Isn't that position he'd be filling that position to finish out a term correct? No that term that term expired in this over the summer. Oh yeah okay I remember right yeah. So is Sandy back on? Not yet. Sandy's not she's not around. She was just here. What I would tell you Mary is is Kevin is Kevin is on. Kevin's on. Maybe he can speak for himself. Well that's even better. I'll ask him to unmute himself. Okay I think I'm unmuted. Yeah hi Kevin. So Mary Mary Skinner does not know you she would like to know a little bit about you. Oh let's see. You know I don't have I just tell us why you want to be the zoning administrator Kevin. A couple of reasons. One I'm finding myself in a position where I've got time. It'd be kind of nice to serve the community some and I'm also looking for another part-time job. Okay fits. So have you done anything like this zoning administrator job or? I have been a carpenter contractor in the area here for the last 30 years since I've been living in Middlesex. I have been the last 20 years worked as a tax pro at H&R Block. I have been involved in different farmers markets in the area helping set one up in Barrie many years ago. Been on the boards of the markets in Montpelier and have dealt with local governments through through the farmers markets. And you know the position looked interesting and but put my name in. Any other questions for Kevin anybody? So can I just ask one more question Kevin in your capacity as a carpenter and a contractor have you had to deal with the Middlesex zoning regulations at all? I have usually I will send the owner and I have dealt with them myself for our own place. So you're somewhat familiar with them? Yes. Okay I don't have any other questions. Thanks Peter. Thanks Kevin. Since Sandy's not here I just want to tell you that the Sandy said it was a really it was a tough decision but the Planning Commission was very enthusiastic about Kevin and they unanimously appointed him. I can echo that just being on the Planning Commission we there were two really good candidates and we I think we struggled to decide which but Kevin clearly showed having prepped like read through the the zoning regulations that for me was sort of the just factor. Thank you. I think also I know Kevin from the days of the Fall Harvest Dinner way back when and and you know I can attest that he you know would be good with working with the community and you know he owned Highland Gardens I don't know if you know that Mary. Oh I did. So he so he has you know he's met he knows a lot of the community and I think that he'd be he'd be a good representation um and and a reasonable person to work with if you were working with zoning. Great. I would also say I've I've known Kevin for a long time. He was a a loyal parent to members of the U 32 Alpine ski team back in the day. Oh wow. Yes. After late years are ringing right. Yeah. So with that all in favor of appointing Kevin to be our say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay. Kevin congratulations. Oh thank you. And Mary second. Okay. That's what I was wondering. All right. So we're all we're all good. Welcome Kevin. Welcome. Hey. Okay. I was just I would just just quickly and we're we're running behind but I would encourage you to take uh first of all take some time looking over the zoning regulations which you already have but uh the league of cities and towns has has trainings and I would encourage you to do that. Take advantage of that. We pay yes that was that was something that we did discuss with the planning commission and um that was one resource that's available and also Mitch has said that he's he will be available to you know it just transfer so so moving one thing one of the things is when there's an appeal and this didn't really work as well as we had hoped the person who's the zoning adminters there should be telling the board um why they did or didn't do something so you kind of have to be a person who's capable of saying I issued the decision I didn't uh I didn't do it and these are the reasons why because it seems like uh from what we've heard that that there really was kind of like no preparation for the board to hear appeals from your decisions did they tell you about that at the planning commission uh no okay that's that's one of those things that seems kind of obvious I mean if I was applying for something and and was denied I'd want to know why yeah well I mean uh yeah there are people that you can talk to about I was going to say that uh Kevin I chair the zba and it probably would be good for you and I to have a discussion Sunday just to talk about about process and um kind of just get started along that that track so um I'll either try to call you or you call me and we'll figure out a uh you know chance to chat great good idea thank you okay moving right along to consider an act upon e911 coordinator to replace outgoing e911 coordinator Mitch Oseki action possible um I'm going to ask that we pass on this because I'd like to be able to talk to Kevin and see if he might want to do this it's something that the zoning administrator it's good for the zoning administrator to do but it also would be good for Dave Smith to do because I my hope is that Dave will work with Kevin uh just because we'll be getting documents here and we just need those two need to work it out so maybe you could just I don't think there can be any e911 addresses in the next two weeks but you never know because this place is exploding so what does that mean I mean that that real estate is selling every every piece of land in middle sex is selling like mad right now well the appell property isn't what I don't think the appell property is is it yes it is it is yes for how much well I don't know but we can talk about that some other time well and also I heard that the um the christiansen property was selling okay guys yeah let's move on let's stay on let's stay on track anybody who have a discussion with uh sarah at another time that would be fine and appropriate um so we're passing over the e911 coordinator so then considering whether to implement provisions under act 162 which permits any municipality the ability to apply the australian ballot system to any and all municipal meetings held in the year 2021 by vote of its legislative body action possible we've already talked about this we decided to wait and see what was going to happen over the next uh short period of time and I'm not aware that really anything is happening I know there's a lot going on in the background but uh a lot is happening there's talk of a uh special legislative session I don't know where that stands there's talk of the governor making decisions by executive order I don't know where that stands I do think I do think and and sarah please please jump in that without any putting any undue pressure on our administrative staff we could put this off for another two weeks and see what happens if anything we're we're we're all we're we're preparing for every contingency what is what other towns what other towns have done yet or not uh I think a lot of them are still are waiting and seeing but a lot of them are just going forward with ballots yeah that's that's what I would recommend that we just move forward and do the ballot thing this year and get on a path that we know where we're headed and and go for that for this next year then at least we know where we're headed well it certainly it certainly doesn't seem and I think you all got uh copied on that email uh about the possibility of of postponing the meeting that the schools definitely aren't going to go for that so what would mean would have to have two meetings two votes two so it doesn't seem like that's a viable option I can support either thing I don't mind I don't mind waiting two weeks and I don't mind making the decision right now if people feel that way I'd also just need to point out to you that we will have same in-person voting just as we always do so if you're going to hold it outside in May I'm going to have to be outside in May someplace where town meeting is to hold in-person voting all day long I mean it's not no Australian ballot no I mean what Peter is saying is the May meeting isn't feasible because the town the school board won't won't agree with that so that's off the table it's question of whether we vote now or wait to see what's happening about doing Australian ballots in March well what hold on isn't the Australian ballot always an Australian ballot for the school budget anyway so we're talking about having two or just one well you would know you would have normally we have two ballots we have a town ballot for town officers and we have a school ballot for school officers and budget questions etc and the school and nothing is going to change that's still the same so I all they're going to do is have an informational meeting which is what you will have to have if you have go by ballots what I'm telling you is that if you if you have if you move this to May outside under an umbrella or an a tent your vote your staff is going to have to be outside wherever town meeting is from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. that day so it's not just meeting for a couple of hours under a tent you know for the rest of us it's 12 hours outside and we have no idea what that right but I just want to ask this question you couldn't have it be where only the so everything else is on the ballot like it always is isn't the only thing but you have the voting on the regular town meeting day you have you have your Australian ballot at regular time meeting except for the town portion right the problem is the location so in other words if you go with a ballot that votes for everything like a total warning just exactly what the legislature has allowed we would have a early voting just like everybody is used to that would be able to vote for everything on an absentee or early ballot and secondly for those who wanted to vote in person we would have the same setup we had for the primary in august and for the november general election we'd have two or three voting booths here people would come and vote the problem is that voting has always been it would be very confusing to have voting on a ballot one place and then town meeting held you know underneath a tent someplace else you could probably do it it's not it's not it's not middle sexist history to do that so it sounds like a lot more work to have because regardless the school budget has to be on more on town meeting day a normal town meeting day right I believe so and the school budget is going to be voted by ballot regardless why do you keep mentioning this may meeting because Liz because uh that was what uh uh Susan Clark kept bringing up last week was she saying maybe we could move the meeting to may the town meeting to may and we could gather under a tent yeah and I really I just from a town court that's a nightmare yeah my suggestion was that we just do our australian ballot we have here the people that want to vote like you just said they will come on the town meeting day the regular day of our town meeting they can vote there if they want but most people would probably do it uh by mail in you know absentee ballots and we'd have our informational meeting prior to that or however we do that but then everything is taken care of not a meeting in may I'm not for that anyway so the only other other piece to this which is unknown at this point in time um and I actually had the opportunity to hear uh a represent an election representative from the secretary of state's office talk about this and he was asked directly whether the whether the state was going to pick up the cost of mailing out ballots to everybody or if they would in fact mail out the ballots and that's undetermined so I think we have to presume that it's very likely that we're going to have to mail out the ballots at our expense which is well I mean we would do that anyway we just don't the idea of mail we wouldn't mail everybody a ballot because that was a one time thing that happened in november and that was not something that we normally do as I said at the last meeting the march town meeting is a very very popular time for people to vote early because they're going on vacation kids are off school so we do we're used to that and that's that's not going to be that big of a deal so so sorry you're not you are not in favor of mailing ballots out to everybody you're in fact you're saying that people are going to have to request ballots I am not in favor of mailing ballots out to everybody I don't see why we would mail ballots out to everyone we are we have we didn't do that for the primary uh we people requested ballots and for the august primary and we mailed them out people are used to requesting for town meeting about requesting town meeting ballots and we mailed them out that's the way we've always done it the weird thing was the secretary of state's office mailing out for the presidential for the presidential primary and that was because it was a state election I mean it was there were no local offices except for jps on there it was a state election so that's why so can I just say that I would say I would prefer to hold it off for two weeks because I think that you know with respect to Susan Clark I don't think she is under the impression that we're just going to vote on this tonight because I think that she's you know had been you know with this idea that she was going to be collecting as much information so that we could be as informed as possible before we make a decision so I I would personally like to hold off for two weeks because I think that if we vote it today I mean I'm I'm of the mindset of voting to to to actually you know to have it all be Australian for this year but I think that you know I I think it's sort of unfair to Susan who doesn't think that's going to happen tonight even though it's on the I know it's on our agenda but I think that she's of the mindset that we're still collecting information and that something you know could change so that's my recommendation is that we wait for the next meeting if we can before we vote on this sounds reasonable I feel the same way I think we're headed down the path of Australian ballot but just in case something weird happens in the next two weeks make sure that Susan knows we're going to vote on it next time I'm I'm fine with that too we have anything else to say on that subject tonight so now we are ready for budget right back on schedule but we're more back on schedule so thank you everybody so um budgets for the town office listers rec committee zoning and middle sex cemetery so we received we received we received a couple of things we received a complete budget from darinda thank you darinda which shows uh the town office budget uh it does not show the rec committee or the zoning we have separate separate uh documents for them now though I included those in those numbers but I would skip over the town stuff and maybe start with um I think the listers are on here so maybe let them present the city and they are attending and then we can go over what was because even with the recreation and the zoning budget there was a lot of stuff not included on those budgets that need to be discussed well that's fine and as as a courtesy to those who are going to present those budgets that makes that makes sense to me so is there someone uh ready to talk about the recreation Mitch is not here right so we have his we have his budget I did not compare it to I will right now I think we should talk to Eric who is here on the listers as I don't care how we do it let's just do it if you want to set how we go through this let's do the listers first that's fine that's what dorinda recommended and Eric is here all right all right dorinda recommends we do the listers first we will do the listers first I'm sorry I'm just trying to manage this whole process apparently I'm not doing very well so what document we're looking at because I'm looking at like five different emails that have come in the listers are going to present the numbers are all in the spreadsheet that I sent and I believe if you have any questions the listers are on here to explain their portion of what they're asking for if you have questions or if they just want to present and then so we can go use that attachment within everything right yeah and all of their items are under administration right they're kind of all mixed in you have lister wages um I don't know does does Amy or Eric want to speak to this or do you want me to do it I'm here can you hear me yeah I'm sorry I didn't see you that's right my picture is not up because I called in so so essentially the budget that we've presented to you and Eric is on here too in case you have questions for us the budget that we're presenting to you is pretty much a cookie cutter of last year and the only exception is that we've reduced two areas and rounded another one up a little bit so really the difference change is less than a half a percent excuse me but we had expected I think everyone expected this year to be different nobody expected COVID we had anticipated that we would be in the throes of working to make sure the grand list was in tip top shape to be ported over to the state's new grand list software they have been slowed down on their process and so our understanding is that their transition date is also pushed off we don't have a definite date from them yet but we're presuming it's about a year everything seems to be about a year pushed off so what was expected to start next july we're expecting to start instead a year from july which is when we will be moving from the nimrick grand list software that we've worked with for years and years and years certainly long before I came on board and moving to an entirely new cloud-based system that has a lot of pieces to it including a GIS aspect and partial mapping and a lot of the things that we currently pay for as pieces of different types of software that we subscribe to as at the town level will be available through this integrated software that the state is purchasing the grand list pieces the parts that they that they pay for and then towns could buy into different chunks of the rest but anyway the gist is this this year we expected we would have by now spent at least you know maybe 40 percent of our wage budget but we haven't we've only actually spent this year so far to date less than three thousand dollars in wages so essentially there's going to be quite a bit of savings this year in in the budget that we had in place now and next year we're proposing the same budget and certainly not expecting that we would go over so the work that is was expected to happen this year in fact you know we'll be happening more in the spring going forward thank you any questions on here Amy it's Phil do you help by any chance what the state what the program name is that they settled on I knew you were going to ask that I don't remember the name of it we had a you know an online meeting with the pvr pool it was probably end of September 1st of October maybe yeah where they gave us a demo rollout and it's really some cool slick stuff it's from a company that is based in New Hampshire and New Hampshire the state of New Hampshire actually utilizes this software for their parcel mapping and what is the equivalent of their lister system their grand list system okay so one of the things that is I can tell you one of the things they did highlight in the meeting that we went to the online meeting was that there was some mentioned that the state may be taking over the tax billing at some point in the future which you know certainly be interesting so if you think of the name or find it shoot me an email please axiomatic software oh is it axiomatic thank you thank you okay thanks thanks any other questions for Amy thank you Amy all right thanks I'm going to go ahead and sign off y'all have a great night okay see this year's budget okay so committee we have uh Mitch's budget request here it's the same as last year's I think well leave it as exactly the same as last year well and that's the problem when you plug in the numbers it doesn't add up right so the problem first of all you start with labor and he's already making over $20 an hour so he just I mean I think he took last year's and just kind of put it out there so that number becomes an incorrect number um so that's actually costing you by the time you get the wages in there and the taxes and all you're up over $6,000 where he's budgeted five um and then he did not in his budget under recreation there's also rightsville beach dues I have no idea if that I didn't plug in a number on that I don't know if it's going to be the same or what's going to happen so I left that blank um let's see the other number was uh let's see the clerks mowing that falls for the clerk's office that's under the town hall budget really under their maintenance so that doesn't really fall under the recreation budget uh so if you total up the um recreation field mowing and the three-mile bridge row mowing that comes to 35 um $3,580 and uh so I plug that number in there and um the rest is the rest is in there so it's a little bit different than that 13,480 number that's like 14,453 is that what I'm looking at well that's without rightsfield beach and rightsfield beach it's around $2,700 $2,750 so if you plug that in it would come out to 17,203 and last year it was 17,589 so it's actually a little less a little less but I think it's how the numbers are distributed hey darinda was that 17,000 numbers that for the recreation or is that for the listers or both that's recreation we're on to recreation 17,203 right now well can you give me the lister's number because I the lister numbers are all over the place that you have to we'll have to take them out of the line items uh zoning huh I mean the zoning I don't have I can't we haven't done zoning yet we're gonna do zoning now so again the zoning is um the hourly rate is wrong in there and um he's put in uh let's see so then I added in the taxes and all of that which brought that up mileage and expenses um is not listed on here but yet last year he incurred $61 there which so I think there should be a number in there um advertising is not listed on here which we certainly do some advertising uh legal um zoning and enforcement for legal that is not on this so those are all holes in the bucket I don't know what numbers I should be plugging in here um well if you want me to just do what we did last year or so I would recommend we plug in we plug in a hundred dollars for mileage at least if not 150 advertising we haven't spent any in a while I guess I'd leave that alone we spent 48 dollars this last year I understand but I'm just saying how does everybody else feel you want to plug in 50 bucks sure legal enforcement what did we do this year it ended at 2140 dollars and what do you remember what that was for darinda there was a lot of issues I think there that I think ones you were still recently working on that's yeah you know we better plug in a couple of thousand dollars I think there's some stuff bubbling around out in the I don't know yeah yeah at least 2000 and then courses and seminars um again he has training in conferences at 250 with a new person coming on I don't know if that's a good number or one of those conferences typically cost 120 dollars or 150 plus a little mileage I have no idea what the individual ones are why don't we just double it yeah 500 yeah 500 yeah because that way you know takes twice as many things okay so your new number is 10 533 we possibly should put some postage in there because we kind of decided that when there are appeals especially where there are denials that we send those letters certified and I think that's where the 61 dollars under mileage and expenses may have come from that might have been postage on but so we have 150 in there good 150 moving up okay well don't we have the the rice field on a separate line 223 it's in the it's under the recreation yeah right okay so he had so I just plugged in the 2750 we don't have a number that's any right I mean again remember this is a budget so when we get to when we get to small I mean I don't think that that that is going to change dramatically it shouldn't so are we all set with that we're all set with that so so my my suggestion is that we just so we can sort of tell what we are and I did this manually before we made these other changes but I think we should plug in I don't know what do you think they're into nineteen thousand five hundred for county tax and wait where what line are you you're back up on page one back on general government I'm trying to I'm trying to fill in the the items that are blank which are the items that are red yeah right they always take so long to do that don't they central Vermont solid waste I don't know if you want to go to like eighteen hundred on it sure yeah yeah give us a little give us a little wiggle room okay um then we can equipment repair and equipment purchase do we have any sense sarah of what we're I mean we can we should plug in them some number for repair but that purchase is basically all computer stuff right that was all those all the laptops that were purchased um yes right we shouldn't have any expense in that category for at least the next couple years I'm trying to think we are probably a couple years out we're going to run into making some decisions about what we do with our server and possibly even think about do we continue to run a server do we move to a cloud-based service but right now everything there is fine so I you know I don't I don't see anything but we should have a thousand dollars in case a hard drive goes down or yeah it's going to break yeah we plug in a thousand dollar under repair or under purchase repair there and nothing for purchase yeah let's let's maybe put another thousand in there just to for a cushion right I think something goes down some router some yeah yeah maintenance okay so there's an interesting number um so I looked at some bills and so just what we're paying um yeah yeah eight thousand dollars okay then we're paying another forty two hundred dollars for support for the land records we're paying another five thousand dollars to NEMRIC for their general computer support and then we pay another two thousand dollars to NEMRIC for a disaster recovery fee which that covers all the Listers programs I guess that are separate like the CAMA and stuff like that so all said and done just doing the support services we have in place at this point you're looking at nineteen thousand dollars well that's what it costs that's what we should put in so what have we added that we didn't have last year we added more computers um we added NEMRIC went up on their charges yeah and we also when we contact them for any kind of support anything over a 10 minute phone call you pay for right I think if it's 19,000 it's 19,000 I don't think we're do we need more than that fell do you think what else gets thrown in there I I don't know off the top of my head I can't I can't think of anything um you know unless we had a major hack like UVM Medical Center did that uh though we'd all be in trouble but um we're probably okay there the um the thing it's interesting in terms of what Amy was saying with the state moving to this other system possibly in another year and the reason I asked for what's the software company is it may make some sense for us to see if there are other modules to get away from NEMRIC for the financial management so that we align with what the state's doing um I mean we don't know what the cost is going to be but the NEMRIC stuff seems to really be be adding up as far as all these different fees with them for um but that's not going to happen immediately we can look at that down the road kind of I think let's let's stay with the 19 whatever okay again we're going to have another chance to take a look at this in uh in January yeah well and also maybe Amy will get back to to uh Sarah with the program and then you know you might get that information and can take a look well Sarah gave me the name of the software so I will uh I'll do a little uh looking around so I think the only other item which we haven't plugged anything in for major item is Montpelier Ambulance yeah and are we weren't we in like a three-year contract is this the end of our contract I don't know that that might be that sounds familiar is this the year number right now let's just put in that same number that okay I'll go downstairs and look at the contract like yeah it's like $45,000 right uh uh 67,000 okay so with all of that Dorinda I'm holding I'm holding my hand tight and pressing my foot against the floor what's the budget number as it stands right now before the special articles yes before special articles I have um a hundred one million three hundred twenty two thousand and seventy five dollars which is lower well it's it's like a break even almost wow point one four but I think you know and here a lot of it that we have to discuss is will there be more training like for the accounting side of it that you know we really didn't account for any of that and the wages are going to play into that um again this is only a two percent placeholder across the board the big missing the big the big missing piece of this is hiring a financial manager person whatever we do with that and I don't know how we I guess what I'm thinking is we got to give a lot of thought to that between now and January because that's a real number by the time you plug in all the time you talk talk to a 32 hour a week person which I think is what we're talking about and benefit likely benefits and all the other stuff that's going to be a real number this this as it sits seems manageable I think that the two big questions are is the uh is the two percent raise enough do we want to do differential raises between different jobs and different departments all the things we talked about last week um and I'm not sure we're gonna get totally through that project by the time we do it but if we have decided that we're we're proposing to hire this financial person we've certainly got to put a bunch of money in there to support that right because that's going to not only affect just the wage side you have all the benefits that because they then will be eligible for municipal retirement everything if it is a full-time job what would you think we'd have to put in somewhere about eighty ninety thousand I mean I don't know here's here's my concern and this this gets back to the whole discussion when you look at what we currently pay our people meaning the town clerk the road crew the select board assistant the listeners the treasurer everybody all of a sudden we we throw ninety thousand dollars in there for for a brand new position that's completely throws everything else golly wonkas yeah it does but you also have to look at the cause you know bad feelings and upset and something so somehow somehow we've got to work and maybe uh maybe what we do to renda is you and you and sarah and I try and put our heads together and come up with something that we can plug in there and just see what it looks like I don't know how else to do it I mean we I have I have no idea did you look at the spreadsheet that I sent you for um the different departments and how they're paid and how many hours I mean I think it's a sad situation when the recreation person is getting more hours a week than the treasurer's position and you know so I mean I don't think there's a big explanation there you know you there's a big problem here that this is one of your most important departments and I think that and maybe it's restructuring the job positions maybe you can pull something from one person decrease those hours on that person and I don't know that's you know that's in your guys ballpark I'm willing to sit in and give you my ideas but that's why I did that and I also included the you know statutory requirements of each position as well yeah that was helpful what when did you go next I'm just go ahead last last week okay I haven't I didn't download that so it's my my bad I guess what I'm suggesting is that we and I I don't necessarily have to be on it but the dorinda certainly needs to be on it and sarah needs to be in on it and somebody from the select board needs to be in on it put together proposal because there are too many I mean you're exactly right dorinda there are just too many moving parts to this yep I mean we can't just say we're going to throw this much money into hiring that person that's just going to create yeah absolute chaos we've got to look at you know exactly what dorinda put out on that spreadsheet figure out the moving parts of that does it make any sense to subcontract out parts of that um payroll I mean payroll's not huge as far as the number of people that we pay and I don't know how many hours a week or every two weeks do we we have do do we put into doing processing payroll I don't think it's a lot I mean Amy does it and you're looking at the whole accounting being done in um what I tell you it's like I think she gets 12 hours and I'm for four so 16 hours a week so it can't and that's doing everything and that's spread out over the whole year of course yeah um but as a good example that just came up this week is never been offered to do our w twos and 1099s for 995 a person which doesn't sound too bad but it's a 300 dollar 300 plus it we figured it out based on what we do it was going to cost us a little over 300 dollars to do it in my mind somebody sitting in that chair can do it for a lot less than 300 dollars but the numbers come right out of our computer system that's that was my take on it and I just you know so I I I think if you subcontract it out you may end up at the same price tag yeah and not have as much control over the situation long as we discussed it some of these other functions the grant management process that's that's a big one the grants are big yep people out there that are um that want to do this job if we go to all the trouble to put it out I mean I what kind of person and what kind of background do they have to have to want to have this job well I sent I sent a variety of different positions that were advertised if you just google finance municipal financial people and there's all different types you have financial managers you have financial directors you have you have to compare yourself to the size town that you're you know doing it with and you know but I gave you like a half a dozen examples of what these other municipalities were looking for there was one that was a closer match I think it was Heinzburg or somebody or under hill or or something like that yeah that I thought was a fairly good match to what we were doing and I'll never be able to find it right now I don't have enough bandwidth to be on zoom and open up I know I'm looking at all up on my tiny little hand thing and I can't I can't get everything I need to be any help no it was Brattleboro there was uh Williston under hill under hill they had a population of 3,040 people yeah and um so and their salary range was between 22 and 28 per hour yeah see that doesn't that doesn't sound bad but that sounds like what Amy's getting no Amy's getting less I'm I'm getting more but I'm only you know like I said it I'm only in there yeah we're yeah and I think we'd have to dig deeper into that um to see what that person actually does at under hill whether or not they're basically a bookkeeper or an accountant as opposed to doing grant management which is a different set of skills right yeah right but like if you put more money into like a financial manager doing the position your you would hire them so they would be under your control and then the um the treasurer would have to live locally but they would more or less be in signing checks and hopefully have some kind of background or whatever um you know to know what they were signing I mean that's that's important yeah yeah having a municipal accounting background I think is going to be pretty important here um okay well I'm I'm certainly willing Peter to help anyway I can and or um you know with Dorinda and and and Sarah we got on a call tried to talk through some of this that would be great and come back to us with some kind of a proposal and then we can tweak it I just think to try to have all of us all of us here staring in a column of numbers and juggling parts around isn't going to be very efficient probably not I'm happy everybody I was gonna say I'm happy to volunteer too but it sounds like still has more background than I do no I'm good with that I wanted to say about the the the administration wages is that I want to make sure that if we do get that planning grant for a capital budget that it's going to require some extra time that we need to compensate Dorinda and Sarah for I'm not sure how to do that like Dorinda you can increase hours but like Sarah I don't know if you can do it they know some sort of stipend or bonus or something like that I mean it's going to take work and it's going to be time right the problem is is I'm only committed I can only work so many hours and that was under the understanding when I came on board I've got four other accounting jobs I do and yes so you know so I'm not complaining about the out number of hours I work I just think that you know I feel it's important that the person sitting in that chair has a good municipal background and understands what's going on because these grants are very time consuming yeah and just to chime in on that you know and I when I took this job the deal was it was 32 hours a week which has been a joke but I've also got another career on the side because to be quite frank this is not a living wage I mean so I'm grateful for everything but I also have it I also write books on the side and a couple of bucks from the planning grant is not going to help that I have to really really be careful about managing my time on the other hand I can get grant stuff done during the day when I'm here I've got your you've got a grant that you've got to consider right now that apparently makes me the person who's got to file quarterly reports and do all sorts of things I just got a call today from FEMA basically begging me to keep doing that grant that this makes all the other grants look like peanuts so I mean you know time when you're 58 years old time is more important than right right now any extra money yeah good point and those are the kinds of things that that should be able to fall to this new position if we define it the right way I think I think would help for minutes okay so Sarah or Dorinda do one of you want to try to pull together a zoom call or sometime later in the week or next week we can chat yeah how about Tuesday we could we could figure it out yeah I think Tuesday's probably he's okay okay thank you guys so anything else on the budget right now anybody budget committee can I get the final figure again that you had with all those figures we put in well it's far from final but well and it's one million three hundred something and that's where I lost you yeah let me go back one million three hundred and twenty two thousand and seventy five dollars great thanks very much I know it but I I like to put these more recent one on top of the other one so I can go back and wait Dorinda do you mind if it's not too much trouble the next time that you send us this to put headers on each page I like to see the yeah the problem is converting it because it's in a five page I'll do what I can because I had to convert it to a pdf and then it just I lost because the numbers for all the wages and things it's it's calculated from another sheet I know okay you lose all that formatting when you do it so but anyways what I love to do is is print the thing out and put the numbers on the pages before I even look at it so I can yeah yeah I like to save trees Peter I'm sorry what I like to save trees and look at it on my computer screen I can't do that I need to go from page to page I'm sorry and I I can't I can't I can't have that many things going like the computer in front of me and the iPad to talk to you guys I can't do that and the other thing retrain list but I don't think you have the time talk about teaching an old dog new tricks that might be trouble anyway and the other thing that you know that we were talking about tonight that we're going to appoint an E911 coordinator now that used to be Marika who did most of that during her clerk is this assistant position so that's another unbudgeted item unless you know it's why I was going to try to get either Kevin or because Mitch does it now ever since Marika's left he's been doing it so that's folded in or else get Dave to do it while he's there it's normally been something that has been it has to be appointed by the select board but normally we've worked it into their individual their normal hours the regular hours okay that was something I just wondered about if it was going to be somebody different we needed so we are going to have to plug in some money for a road commissioner too don't forget right right well I do have the I do have in there the placeholder for Paul so that is kind of calculated in the wages but I know that Steve was looking at as far as the road crew doing it different than so that's a whole I think salaries in itself is going to be a whole discussion I agree I agree what do you think we should have that at the next meeting then Dorinda well that's not my call I'm only here to take notes I think I you know I think that's a bigger discussion that we need to have separate from the final review of the budget before we approve it so I think if we can get some kind of a estimated estimated number moving the parts around of our of our personnel and what we need to do I think we should take it up at our next meeting and see how far we get I mean I think we could work on this from now until March and not not get to the end of this if we're not careful and we can't do that obviously so we can certainly we can certainly fine tune the moving parts as we go along and we when we see who we can who we can snare in our net but I just I just don't want to put some number out there for the budget that's unrealistic and we end up completely blowing the number away because we have no choice we may we may end up doing that anyway I mean all we can do is the best we can do right I'm wondering if you come up with some kind of job description of what you want for this position and then just throw it out there as an ad and see what you get for response and then build from it yeah the other part of it which is which is you know does that mean does that mean we still also have a bookkeeper or is this person doing the bookkeeping and the financial you know they would do it all you know other than the statutory requirements you know you would still need the you still would need your treasurer and I don't think you want to make a bookkeeper and the treasurer the same person I think you want to keep them separate and is Amy giving up that the bookkeeping job and she's only keeping her other job yes she's going to stay on until she's willing to stay on until the end of the fiscal year and then what's the job she does I can't remember what else she's right of course she just was here today talking about it okay so I would say that concludes our budget discussion for this evening unless somebody has something else thank you budget committee you've been very peaceful and quiet this evening listening carefully thank you write a blistering report and blow our budget right out of that water who know they've always been very kind thanks I think we're okay good night thanks thank you thank you I appreciate your involvement thank you okay you're all right right Steve quick highway report yeah we're still doing a few little minor things getting ready for our winter stuff we got a few blades to change their cutting edges to change on the on the plows and stuff that's pretty much done one comment that I would make is that the way this weather has been our roads are starting to get a little potholes and we've really got to try to pick a time to get it out there and grade hopefully we can get out there do a little spot grading over the next week here some different times we just got to be careful when we do it so that it just doesn't turn to mud you did it today on culver hill what's the hat you did it today on culver hill you've graded yeah and then it rained it actually hailed and then it rained we do that especially for you Liz I'm sorry it's supposed to be good Steve give them the good news about our chain table we got a little good news yeah so anyway we we were trying to either have somebody manufacture or or build a table to repair our chains on so the guys don't have to bend over do it on the floor right on the backs anyway they found a table um they went and got it today paid 300 bucks for it it's a great metal table and perfect for them so they're happy I'm happy we have four or five thousand dollars in your budget for that I did put a number in there I don't remember why I don't have that right in front of me but yes well so we can eliminate that it's a great it's a great table so there's a little financial good news we don't always get financial good news right okay thank you hey guys what is our meeting for December I'm sorry is it regular our regular meetings well one of them is today because it's December 1st right so it's two weeks tonight whatever the 15th yeah so that's good that keeps it away from the holiday yeah Dorinda anything else from you or have you blown your yeah just a couple of things um again it I still have not heard anything about the grant that um or that so we can we get our money back from um for what we paid to do boys and king so I don't know who's writing the report and who's drawing but I ain't got nothing I said Steve and I talked about that this morning early this morning and are we talking the same grant we're probably we've got a couple of grants that we're gonna talk $80,000 no okay that's a different one that's a different thing Dorinda and I will spend a little time on that at some point here in the near future but yeah yeah did you ever talk to Paul or did he have any information I did talk to Paul and I'm gonna probably take that folder and jog his memory a little bit with that folder you left in the in the highway folder okay no the one I'm talking about is the one for the sidewalk and village path and all of that where nobody's drawn down the third portion of it and I vast like every single meeting for the last three or four meetings so here I am asking again okay I thought Sandy said she wouldn't do it no I don't know so I emailed Mitch and he never responded I mean I call him though I think I have his number and ask him if he's done like his um well I shouldn't say I haven't heard from him I should check sometimes I don't check my email every day so is Mitch like resigning most of the things he does and just focusing on rec on the rec department planning planning commission planning commission but he's not going to be the zoning administrator and he's not going to be the e911 person so he still has planning commission and rec correct he never responded to me I did I said this way back in no Tuesday November 10th yeah and the the other thing is is like we got Sarah got a letter that we were awarded a $24,000 grant for I don't know what it was for I think it's for the second part of the sidewalk thing which is probably I think coming up down here but it's I mean we don't even have a copy of the original grant that was ever and there's a discrepancy like um Sandy Levine said it's for $30,000 and we're going to get $24,000 so we have to pay $6,000 we thought we got $24,000 and that the 20 percent would be $4,800 so again these are the things that I talked about even after we talked about it it's still I did email Sandy and she sent me a link she said it was too big to print so she sent me a link if I wanted to go on and download it but I mean we really need to get people to start sending the financial department records because this is crazy well that's all part of what we've been talking about okay that's my complaints for the night I sent you uh the uh a new budget report so we're looking good we have another school payment that will be coming out in your next warrant it's another 830 some thousand I believe so but we got money perfect okay so quickly here we've got uh approval of our minutes from November 17th is there a motion so moved second all in favor hi hi we opposed okay approval of an access permit for Chris and Kelly to row at 253 Culver Hill row this is the one we talked about Steve right I don't know if I talked about this one with you or not no we talked about we talked about the sunny brook thing which is yeah that's a different subject yep okay so do we have have somebody signed off on this did Paul sign off on it have you signed off on it you've signed off on it go ahead Sarah I'm sorry Steve signed off on it and it is for uh 253 Culver Hill road on the west side of the highway of the of the road yep one mile from the intersection to route 12 yeah you know it's across it's that whole all that land I know where I see them doing something no it's not for a house it's just another access onto their property where he can store his camper and stuff so it's just another access onto the highway just past the peas farm okay side yes same side as a piece for yes west side I don't know I I just I know where the peas farm is and if it's on the same side I got that I don't know what east and west is over there so the the thing is that you guys if you sign it Steve we need you you either need to authorize me to sign it or else Peter needs to come in and sign it coming in to sign it okay I'll leave it out there for you orders to render you got enough responses on the orders uh before the meeting I think I had two so um I didn't get a chance I did it I did it in an email and not on my phone so okay so maybe there could be three there by now so okay look at him if you if you haven't already okay hey one other quick thing I wanted to mention we met with Eric Matevia for the fire department on Monday we had a really good meeting with him and I think he's going to be very refreshing as far as you know um he's got he's well organized and all of that so but he wanted to know the budget came up and he was asking me if he had to come back to present his budget again because that's what was asked of him when he presented the budget the first time I told him that I had all these numbers and I was passing them on to you and I didn't think it was really necessary but I want I told him I would check on that well you're you're comfortable with the numbers that makes sense to you well they're the number they're their budget numbers you know the only thing we don't have yet is the dispatch number right but you know they're their budget numbers so it's not a matter of me being comfortable it's what their numbers are it was just he was given a spreadsheet to use which he assumed was calculated correctly which it wasn't and that's what happened there is it what is it in your budget now what he had given us yeah okay yeah I don't think we need I don't think we need to see him again unless I you know if we're gonna do the challenges when we get to finalizing the budget in January if we're gonna if we're gonna propose major cuts to any of these budgets I think we we owe these people a heads up and say you might want to zoom into the meeting because your budget is on the chopping block you know but other than that I don't think we need to uh Sam I just wanted to make sure I told my dad would you send me his email because there is this grant that that I keep looking at waiting for it to be released and it's supposed to be released and I just don't have his email I don't even know his how to spell his name so okay no problem I'll send it to you when we get done thanks yeah correspondence Sarah only from the watch tower I received I received letters yesterday asking um and I I round filed them and maybe that was the wrong thing to do but uh asking if I would if I could present to the select board the opportunity to be to receive copies of the roch towers a regular basis so that was male that was the correspondence I got for the select board this recently no good without the watch tower thank you that's what I expected but that's the only correspondence I got I got cornered by those guys I was working under my truck one day this was about three years ago and they surrounded me I was trapped under my truck great um we did have we did have the thing that I did pass on to you uh from the request for uh an event on to uh we've got a weird person trying to join in Jane nummie you know that's that's good that he's here he's actually I just John that's okay that John nummie he is the one Peter that uh is buying the land over on lower sunny brook so I'm gonna in other business I'm gonna bring that subject up that's why he's on there okay okay well do we want to do we want to quickly deal with that before we deal with the uh v-trans grant might as well if he's here that's fine okay so let me get his his stuff so anyway this is the one where the lawyer had sent us uh an easement deed for him to be able to uh go on to the I don't really understand the easement thing and why we need it I think Sarah had sent that to our lawyer with a copy of our class 4 and trail road policy but I've read that and there's no need for that I've talked to John uh earlier this evening and I told him I didn't see any reason for uh an easement but we've never done that before it clearly states in there um that if he wants to do any maintenance to the trail that he has to get written get written permission from from the road uh commissioner which is me and I told him I we've gone over everything so he is writing up a letter uh requesting I asked him to send it to Sarah though so it would go through the town so it's a matter of record and and then it when he gets done his maintenance section then that I inspect it but that's clearly in the things and then the only other thing he has to do is apply for a uh access permit like anybody else would do to get on to his property so he has a trail and he wants to upgrade it to lower sunny brook road uh where we stopped there from there on it's a trail the piece of property that john is is going to be closing on shortly uh I think it's the 11th but the piece of property is a approximately 375 feet up that trail and that needs quite a bit of work I mean it's hard to walk on let alone you can't get a vehicle in there so he I walked the thing Paul had walked it I walked it twice Paul walked it with me once we've looked at it I talked with John um you know so anyway he is going to what he is planning on doing is making that section of road passable culverts what he needs for culverts and making it passable uh for vehicular traffic but it's it's uh so he's upgrading a portion of that road just just for his own uh use to get on to his property but it's still a trail gotcha still be a time trial pardon and it would still remain a time trail yes we're not upgrading the road from trail to class 4 it's a trail it just remains the trail that's the way it is it remains the trail it's it he's able to get to the piece of property he's going to be closing on and and uh you know it'll be be safe for for emergency vehicles or whatever but so um uh what did his lawyer want an easement for Rob never got back to us on that okay well I read that I read that easement over it made no sense to me no it makes no sense to me and that's what I told John I don't I don't know why we need an easement and I don't think we do so I've I've instructed John to just go ahead send his letter requesting you know to upgrade that road and uh and I've already gone over everything with him I'll I'll send him back the written correspondence um and let him do his thing we don't need the easement we've never done an easement okay so it doesn't matter what it says because we're not going to sign it anyway we're not going to sign it anyway okay gotcha okay now is everybody at a fresh cup of coffee you've got your wits about you everyone we have to deal with this uh v-trans project commitment for the bike pad scoping study 20 town match action possible so I did get the copy that I guess Sandy sent out of the of the grant application right and what it clearly shows is which we discovered and Derrinda alluded to what we thought it was a $24,000 grant where we were responsible for $20,000 excuse me we were responsible for $4,800 it is a it is a $30,000 grant and we are expected to provide 20 of that which is $6,000 and then in another little line it says we're required to provide $3,000 of administrative services so that's $9,000 and we have been for the past I don't know how long it's been but quite a while tiptoeing down the down the path of sidewalks in the village this is a this is more of a more of a tip not a tiptoe this is a this is a gigantic jump and my only concern on this is and my my real underlying concern and I've been nothing but thinking about this I was awake half the night last night thinking about it is I don't think I'm ready to support sidewalks in the village so if I'm not ready to support sidewalks in the village why would I support this grant which is going to cost the town $9,000 um I just that's that's where I am I don't know where I don't know where everybody else is but I don't know Sarah does this does this have to be signed tonight or it's dead can we delay this can we table it can we uh it just says within two months of receiving the fully executed grant agreeing from v-trand this is so there's nothing this is the fully executed grant uh agreement um I don't know this is came from sandy I don't I'm that's $3,000 of administrative services I mean you know uh how much is that that's uh that's like a what is that a month of tooth two and a half months of my take-home pay or something I mean that's just what are what are they expecting here from the town I'm not sure that I'm afraid what they're expecting is all that work which drives you crazy in which you don't have the time to do now we have our new financial person that's exactly what they're supposed to be doing yesterday yeah so I've got two things I pretty much feel like you do I don't think we're ready for sidewalks in the town of middle sex I'm at that at that meeting I mentioned that that this road could have a bike path and it could walk on the bike path and I still stand by that uh and but my second point is this is a second grant and we and Durinda alluded to it just a little bit ago we don't even have the information on the first one why are we even thinking of entering into another grant when we can't even get the first one taken care of that's my position I just say absolutely not until we can get stuff squared away so my only sort of concern is that wrote this grant she got our blessing to write the grant I believe and so when they award this money they're taking money away from someone else who didn't get the grant and so if we just decide suddenly that we don't like the terms of the grant I'm not sure that's a great precedent to set for future grants for projects to turn this down I mean I get where you guys are coming from but she's well meet with us and talk with us about applying for this grant you're right about that Liz and that's point well taken however at that point when we agreed to that when she wrote for that grant we weren't having all these problems we just how do we get the information we just going to enter into another one and it just keeps going and then we're putting more work on people that we don't have to do that work we need to handle this differently and I say that I don't know that needs to be signed tonight I think we need to delay this a little bit anyway yeah I think so too I remember the 20% match I don't recall another 3000 and administrative contribution right I think to follow on what what Steve is saying that I'm not sure we have the capacity to do that right now you know we're looking at restructuring our financial office we're looking at how we handle grants we you know we're gonna have to where we have just replaced our road foreman we've got to deal with a road commissioner's position so I I think we're a little short on on a lot of different kinds of resources so you know I'd rather try to defer at least for a while not to say we couldn't come back and look at this again but I I'm just feeling like right now is not the time to do it but we don't know what the deadline is either do we let me just go get the a binder I'll be right back okay I that we should delay it because I don't think it's fair to Sandy that we gave her the blessings to apply for it and then we're gonna just say we're not gonna go ahead without giving her a chance to make an argument on why we shouldn't go ahead and maybe the argument is simply majority of the board doesn't think we want sidewalks or maybe that's because they're three thousand dollars worth of administrative costs we didn't know about and we're not prepared for it but at a minimum I think she ought to know that those are the concerns and she ought to be able to address them so and I don't think the fact that the majority of the board whether or not we do in which we haven't actually said do we like sidewalks or not I don't think that's a part of this conversation that doesn't weigh into whether or not we have you know now been awarded this grant that we gave a blessing to and now we're like well I don't think I want sidewalks anyway that's just that that's not a good response so and and I also think that there may be some clarity on that three thousand dollars administrative stuff it could be that it's the planning commissions you know that's the three thousand dollars and it's an in-kind thing or something that's worth three thousand dollars so I think that we need to get clarity on that I also think that is what it is Liz I think that is what it is is that's just that's just the work that Sarah or somebody from the town has to do and they're just putting in a plug number to show us that right and I think that I think it's their responsibility though to do the reports like they there's the ones who I don't think it's Sarah's responsibility to be doing just like it wouldn't be Sarah's responsibility to be doing a report for the fire department I think that if you know it's it's what what's happening right is that's not happening right now with with with Mitch not filling out the report that's the administrative stuff I think that isn't getting done and so and that's the value there's a value to that right and so I think that you know we need to say to Sandy Sandy before we sign this we need to draw down the last of that money so that we can proceed so that's putting that that's that's putting a fire under her to say somebody has to finish that report or we're not signing this grant I mean the point is I'm gonna I'm gonna support something I mean what I'm what I'm struggling with is and I hear what you say about we've we've kind of done a bad thing because we got talked into this we said we would support it we went along with the first grant I mean we've been we've been hippity hopping down the down the trail here but I just I I the more I thought about it this the more I've just thought that the idea that by putting sidewalks in the village all of a sudden the village of middle sex is going to look like wood stock is uh is is just way over the top and and you know I I drive through I drive through more town all the time and and Sarah and I were talking about this quickly the other day you know yeah they put in those sidewalks but they've got their school there they've they've got a store connected they've got a church they've got hybrid a lot more of a village than we're than we're ever going to have and plus they had at least some kind of sidewalk there before they had it was more like a dirt path but it was a sidewalk and I I I kind of like Steve's idea I think having the idea of making it safe to walk but not having a sidewalk that has to be separately plowed I mean that you know there's going to be ongoing expenses for the rest of our lives paying for the maintenance of this thing if we build it it isn't just building it and I can also promise you if we get a grant to build it there's probably going to be a 20% match and that's going to be a whopper of a 20% match hundreds of thousands of dollars potentially I don't know a lot I just I I really come around and maybe I maybe Sandy can can twist me around again but you know the idea that that creating this sidewalk is going to all of a sudden bring economic prosperity to the village and there are going to be people running around and walking around and buying stuff and doing stuff well I think that the economic development that occurred is because of our friend who lives in more town and his partners well you know the other thing I was going to say is don't get me wrong planetary matters is doing a lot of good stuff for our village but it's really them who started this whole sidewalk business and you know I know they like to have a sidewalk well maybe they should put in the sidewalk I don't know I kind of feel that way too well Liz had a good point though that we we all did agree to have Sandy right for this grant so Liz is right on that thing and looking at this thing this scoping project they had said this is kind of their next step to be able to do anything it doesn't mean that we have to accept any sidewalks or anything we should have a lot of say in that coming down the road oh no I agree I agree with that Steve it's just a question of spending thirty thousand dollars for something that we're not convinced we want to do that's that's why let's let's I think we at the very least we need to have another discussion another frank discussion with Sandy and she was here earlier and I guess she had to go so I say we I say we table it for tonight and I think we all need to be thinking about this and and I agree Liz that at a bare minimum we should say we're not going to sign any new grants until we get the old grant squared away and draw down the money because we've spent that money we paid those bills right Dorinda we need to get reimbursed yeah she's not in her head yes so do you want me to put this on for the December 15th meeting yeah yes and invite Sandy right Sandy okay but maybe we invite do we invite the somebody from planetary matters as well I don't know I need to be convinced that this is going to be a benefit to the town in a worthwhile thing and I'm not convinced now well can I ask a question at what point would the town's peoples get involved as far as if we're going to be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on sidewalks we're not no no no like that I mean we are going to get involved but like we would never that it would never and the only reason I know this is because I've read about other stuff but it's you wouldn't the town would never be put on hundreds of thousands of dollars it would be done through giant grants so there would be a match you know that the town would have to come up with um and sometimes matches are done through like not even the town like maybe through fundraising right like I mean there's there's different ways to understand but like the town would not be put put spending a million dollars on sidewalks oh no no no I I was just the only way I came up with that money is just thinking 20 percent of a million dollars which was a figure somebody threw out for the cost of the sidewalks would be 200 000 I don't know what it would be and how it would work yeah but I mean the idea behind the sidewalks is also it's an economic development idea right it's to get people to come to your town so I think that that's really the the selling point that we need we as citizens need to be educated on and that that if this this ever happens the buy-in has to be that there's a return on investment for these sidewalks and it's not just that the people of middle six get to walk from redhand bakery to the town clerk to the roots thing right it's that it brings people in and has them spending money and brings in more businesses who want to do business with us that's that's the idea build it build it and they will come as I say but I just have to go back when if you read this I just don't I mean I can I can do this I guess is town clerk and a select board assistant but I mean you know I have to within two months of receiving this grant we will begin the procurement process process I've got to send out RFPs you know it's it's really it's not it's not something it's not something just like you know should we plant flowers I mean this is a big big project this is a huge project and I don't think that I'm not sure I understood that as a town clerk that this was going to be when when Sandy proposed this grant that was not there was no understanding that this was going to be this this amount of work I'm sorry tell Sandy that I mean is that their job to do the bidding and the RFPs and all that you know I mailed I I mail things for the planning commission now so I I send out letters and certified letters if they can't do that I can't imagine them doing this well they're they're going to have to do some of this stuff I mean and I think we put this on for the 15th and and have Sandy there and I think that's you know and maybe we sign this and get it but I don't think it's going to have your name on it yeah well I think you should share your concerns when Sandy comes in Sarah I will one goes on and on I just I just am stuck about this and I and I do feel badly because I know we agreed to do this and yeah but I think we're entitled to take over okay everybody anything else any other business for tonight okay the temperatures drop and fire up the wood stops people are freezing what should be what it should be this time of year but 60 yeah yeah I went for a bike ride today in December my first ever December bike ride you did that just so you could say you did it right I almost mowed the lawn too Phil there was the year when my son Matthew was a Dartmouth and he vowed he was going to kayak every week of every month of the year for 52 weeks and he did he would send us pictures of sliding down icy waterfalls and ski hills and everything under the sun in his kayak remember the Christmas Eve we had like four years ago or five years ago that was 70 degrees we're playing soccer yeah that was crazy I'm gonna have to move to Alaska I need snow come on snow have a good evening bye sign that thing Liz can you hang in for a minute just a sec yes I'll call up Sean and get a time that we can with him in person and we just want to talk with him we can talk with them and it's Shane it's not Sean you keep saying I know I keep saying that I'm sorry I know what Shane when you when you guys when you decide on a number when he let me know so I can plug it into the budget we know and I have a little this stuff but I have a little notes that I took from his interview well his interview but also his whatever that thing is called okay his resume his non-resume no when you do a opinion about the person