 if i punch you are you okay with that very cool so it's pleasure it's pleasure so you get pleasure from cruelty going going to Burger King it's totally different pleasure the pleasure hi my name is Joey Carbstrong i'm a vegan who has spent the last seven years trying to convince people that animal cruelty is wrong without as much success as i hoped so i thought i'd try a new completely opposite approach i'd pretend to support animal cruelty and harness the power of reverse psychology this is how it went what do you think about the sign for first of all if i if i have supposed to think about anything about that i need to understand you because it's written change my mind so this means if i would like to change your mind that's you gotta change my mind i think animal cruelty is there's nothing wrong with it why basically i think it's fine to be cruel to animals as long as you eat them i think that's an important point uh and the reason i think that is because when you look around most people are doing it like most of the cruelty that happens is because like people eat animals when you talk about a human caused cruelty to animals it's because people eat eat animals really and i think in nature like lions tigers hyenas snakes they're all incredibly cruel animals yeah they torture their prey they rip their throat out while they're still breathing you know this is how they kill animals very vicious and because the animals they do that i think it's okay for me to do that basically and also we have human beings have been cruel to animals for thousands of years can i can i ever do this i mean can i ever kill anymore have i yes have i been cruel to animals no killing anymore i usually pay i'll do it yes that's all different i usually give people pay other people to do it i don't think there's anything wrong with being cruel to them so i can eat them if someone else kills them i don't think there's anything wrong if i did kill them i just couldn't do it you couldn't like you've never had a chance or you don't want i don't have the courage to i don't think there's anything wrong with being cruel to animals but you i don't want to do it but have you ever been cruel to animal you in your personal life maybe uh maybe when i was younger i caught a fish i eat animals all the time factory farms i buy from uh i buy bacon chicken most of the those animals are factory farms here statistically can't avoid it um you know even the free range pigs go to a gas chamber gas chambers are horribly cruel slaughterhouses are very cruel places the dairy industry is rife with cruelty i mean the way that they impregnate the cows and take the calves is cruel they kill the calves so you know the egg industries it's a very very cruel industry egg industry i mean i eat out of these places i support these places you support them what with my money that's for sure do you eat eggs yeah you're eating eggs yeah i mean i eat all eggs cage eggs whatever okay so do you eat meat do you do you yeah yeah i mean i don't have a problem with it yeah you're okay with the meat yeah and uh you're okay with uh with the do you eat me yes okay wait a second you you do the same thing i do uh yeah but i would like to understand your point of view okay okay because there is a difference between killing because you need to eat and there is different huge difference uh to a cruelty because you like it that's a totally different experience because if i if i take a chicken because i totally need it right now there is no store okay there is no store in the next 10 kilometers so 50 kilometers i will need to kill the chicken to eat it to fry it or whatever because i'm you're in a survival situation but if you if you view it in the point of view that uh you'll like it there is a bunch of stores around you there's a bunch of ways that you can provide a meat but you just like be cruel that's a quality that's a pleasure i like the pleasure from eating the cruelty i didn't say that that i unnecessarily like really love that animals are being treated cruel i just don't think there's anything wrong with it because i eat it all the time so if i thought there was something wrong with it i wouldn't eat animals and and uh you told me that if you're in a survival situation you kill a chicken but you're not in a survival situation right now no but why do you eat animals now you don't need to like you just taste so it's pleasure it's pleasure so you get pleasure from cruelty yes so you know different to me if there is a pleasure uh because there is a pleasure of the taste which is totally different than the pleasure of the cruelty if i punch you if this gives me a pleasure that's not gonna be totally well that's not gonna be good if someone is punching the uh the animal that's totally and he have a pleasure for this action that's totally not how is that different both the actions are needless right you said we don't need to eat animals you said that it's cruel to eat them we know that we don't need to punch people right it's needless and i get pleasure from both things how are they different uh both in both scenarios when i punch or when i eat an animal or human or whatever gets harmed that's all i get pleasure okay but the point is the pleasure you're back so let's see it like that she's a vegan or can i say that the pleasure of the the pleasure of eating is totally different the proof the pleasure of eating is totally different than the pleasure of punching it doesn't matter to the victim why i'm being cruel it doesn't matter to the victim yeah but the taste is going going to burger king it's totally different pleasure it's a totally different pleasure from the eating it because you like the taste it's taste is totally different than uh punching because satisfied then it's satisfactory pleasure it's totally different okay but what if every time i punched someone i got taste pleasure would that be okay uh i'm talking hypothetical every time i punch someone i get taste pleasure same pleasure would that be okay the pleasure of punching is a hate so that's when you hate someone you feel good when he's bad but you're not you're not feeling good when you're eating that kind of chicken or you're not feeling bad sorry you're not feeling bad about eating that kind of chicken or i'm cruel being cruel then the cruelty is okay the cruelty is totally if i feel good when i'm being cruel that means the cruelty is okay if i feel good if it's not done in hate if it's just done i'm supposed to how you're gonna do a cruelty without without hate doesn't that's not logic why you're gonna punch the dog how are you gonna kick him well i'm saying i'm being cruel to eat them you're not cruel to eat them yeah well you're paying about this to eat them but i'm paying someone to be cruel for me to eat them no you're paying to the understood no that's not darling not true you're paying to the you're paying to the store to the employers who are who are making the whole the whole process to give it to you you're not you're not paying for the killing they are paying for that but don't it's a business it's totally different so if we in the way where you put the money well i'll tell you how we do if everyone stopped paying for meat what happens to the meat industry i'm totally okay to the meat industry today so what happens if everyone here stops buying meat what happens to this industry it's gonna close so that's me it's gonna close yeah there will be no more cruelty in this way okay well of course i mean a lot of different ways this is where the most of the cruelty is happening not all of it you're right honest i don't like the cruelty about uh in the lifestyle cruelty like if you see a dog you hate dogs and you hate cats in my country there is uh in my country there is a celebration and the celebration is that they take a dog put it like a neck here and put it behind the car and they drive it and that's a cruelty are you okay about that do they eat the duck they don't eat a i don't care about this cruelty you say that there is no problem that's mean that you're okay with this kind of celebration i'm totally against that i mean how that how long has it been happening for from for a long time yeah my country's a little but we've been eating meat for a long time too yeah in the survival mode i think if you do something for a long time it's okay but how you're gonna feel it just to watch this i mean it's traditional that's a tradition that's correct eating your turkey at christmas time is traditional what's the difference the turkey doesn't care if they're being dragged behind the car or if they're being the difference yeah the difference i mean i suppose it's a bit most of the time yeah the difference is that most of the time the dogs are staying alive out there they're not that's bad that's bad that's cruelty that's cruelty that's cruelty are you okay about i mean i guess i'm a bit of a hypocrite maybe slowly dying what about this different than slowly dying and how he had shots right now well a lot of the animals in the farms that i eat from slowly die on the floor they don't make it to the slaughterhouse there's a four percent death rate or something in chicken farms say this quarter of a million chickens in a farm 50,000 in the shed all right four percent death rate every four weeks that's a lot of chickens suffering and dying are you okay about this well i think it's okay because i eat the chickens you eat the chicken because you like the taste so that's mean that you're buying the taste i don't know what the difference is between me supporting that cruelty in the chicken farm because you're and you and the cruelty that happens um with this duck tradition i don't see the difference the difference is that you're not directly doing it that's all different okay so if i pay someone to drag the duck on the car for my own visual pleasure that's the same as me paying someone to torture the chickens for my own taste pleasure you as i already said you're not paying to anyone just to just to kill the uh just to kill the chicken you're playing to the store which store is one of the suppliers like are going to the and without me and everyone else there is no cruelty in this chicken farm because it goes there is a market that's that's mean a business there is a market a market niche in this if there is a not market niche like uh immediately it's gonna stop and then gonna go go in another direction like a lot of business are happening if you see it in in the real time because it's now we are just here hypothetically talking about yes we're not saying anything we're not seeing so yeah we're not saying anything in front of us or whatever but if you're in real life just see the the killing like like the suffering of the animal i mean i could show you a chicken right now and say here's the chicken why why do you i've seen this why do you kill them and eat them i've seen this i'm told against against it but i've seen this and i know the feeling you don't want to kill and eat the chicken i don't want to kill anything you don't want to kill any more animals no i'm against the killing and cruelty and you sound like you're a vegan you're against you're against cruelty and killing I'm for sure against this if you're against it then you should live like that the point is that I'm trying my best not eat so much meat to be honest but I'm not seeing the good good the good way of the vegan it's too much for me I'm okay with the eggs and a lot of different things but and the cheese and etc a lot of cheese is not real by the way from Bulgaria in my country they love meat they love it I mean like my country they love me too that's in the culture so culture in Australia too so do you think if it's in the culture then it's okay to do no I think that a lot of things in the cultures and no matter which country culture is it is not okay let me show you this it's here watch this it'll show you what happens to animals it's really hard for me to go in this in this moment not to eat meat because you know you when it used to eat or something like a hobby or habit it's a habit it's a habit it's a true habit Andrew is it's really hard just to be like oh to from tomorrow I'm not gonna you know you're against this sign yeah but when you go out and you eat you were doing what's on this sign oh he's eating burgers bro I like it very cool this I've never seen someone stick a dead body other ass I'm not pretty sure that the McDonald's are real but that's it that's a dead animal and he was like pretending to her like whatever so you see this whatever you do I'm so sorry I read the sign wrong I thought you were for animal cruelty how did you do this are you against it I mean I mean I'm against it bro I'm against you are you against it before I just like me but if you're gonna come at me with the animal I really don't care I just try to enjoy some meat yeah I know I say I'm trying to get these girls my as well you know I say I see I'm cool to these girls with this you understand that's animal proof it's a real that's our trainer catch what's your pants I don't say that usually I'm very quick to say something back but I didn't know what to say to that it's subtle fun of him do you think maybe he cared he must have cared about this to come and do that must have thought about it for in order for him to do that he would have he had to have a feeling about this get upset angry or in order to come up and do that do you want to take one of these for sure take one of these thank you take care and I hope next time we see each other maybe you are we'll see maybe follow and subscribe take care