 aqyti na fukia ni nafuja gopan Nairobi to na share I'm not to share what we are sharing is resources is infrastructure I will don't know what we are sharing but ni miskeo na fuku gupa Nairobi Yeah Mineswaa, Good morning If you've just told us you are watching the Lady of Speckle show Ender's Hair Town and I told you please do not take my word for it just watch like Monday although it's Friday jas yani uki, I'm going to I'm shepe at Tv no, aqetu wae nalafu ju bambi mimi naona maybe perhaps since one end amends conference sindio this this year in a few weeks I am thinking maybe perhaps okay say at wazikwana women's conference tum nangojam tumiwefia na tumi I am not your boyfriend We don't do that here but I am thinking perhaps maybe this year if you want a man with a car also you nani say ato uji tumiwe ato wu kuna garendio sindio if you want a man with a lot of money nani say ato wu pataizu paki amani jifunze kuna maaza boy child help me out hashtag wa in the morning I mean since you keep saying also what a man can do a woman can do better see you can also no? okay ato Facebook, what for channel on Twitter hashtag is what in the morning welcome again it is time to celebrate a phenomenal woman and she is as beautiful as she is phenomenal but let me allow her to introduce herself to you ladies and gentlemen good morning good morning how are you please introduce yourself to the people so my name is Gataro Amiru I'm the founder of Saudi underscore Kenya it's a social political movement and I'm also a mediator and a lawyer mm-hmm that's a heavy flex and you've said it was such a straight face ah mngelala if I was a lawyer sijui sijui found out ayayayay you know the school be doctor professor sijui advocate who woo God knows what to give us he does he really does okay tell me a little bit about yourself and why you started the non-profit first um basically social justice activist I call for the protection of human rights and one of the reasons why we decided ato Saudi is a movement it's not a particular person so one of the reasons why we decided to come up with sauti underscore Kenya is the realization that Kenyans and in particular the youth do not have access to civic education so basically what sauti underscore Kenya does is spread information especially when it comes to constitutional issues and arising matters through the use of social media with the view that Kenyans are going to be empowered to make better and informed decisions especially when it comes to choosing leaders that's not the main agenda of sauti underscore Kenya on the other side we have now mediation for sauti underscore Kenya we are trying to create a future where we do not necessarily have to go to court to solve issues where we can use alternative dispute resolutions which is actually recognized in article 159 of the constitution so we are focusing on mediation because it's easily accessible it's affordable and it actually gives the disputing parties more control over the process so yeah that is the basic sauti underscore Kenya I don't know if you know but court is not easy guys presentia continue almost 15 years for one thing one thing and one year the hearing has been postponed oh the judge has gone where hey Sijri so when I hear outside court it sounds fantastic actually apart from what you've said we realize that court has become less accessible especially right now when we have the covid regulations and this issue to do with covid so you find that most court processes are online and how many people have access to free wi-fi how many people are going to get laptops or smartphones to enable them logging and follow through on their matter but you see with mediation all you need is to get a good mediator find you the person who you disputing with sit down and come to agreements and the good thing with mediation is their parties it repairs relationships you know it's not adversarial like how you go to court and now we have the plaintive and we have the defendant and now you you want to kill each other you are at each other's road it's not about that it's basically mending relationships and making sure each and every canyon is in a position to access justice which is a constitutional right and I can relate because I have walked around around courthouse and the people I see like all people trying to you know get back their land or you know some type of giving situation somebody passed away did not have a will so not full of fighting and I said well who are struggling and I'm like ah you have not lived all these years manzei to now finish it like this so what's anyway when activism comes to my mind what I immediately relate to it is black lives matter or closer to home police brutality it has to be or as I perceive it it has to be kind of provoked for lack of a better word by something you know and until something really major happens like you know George Floyd being they did him how they did him until then now there was a worldwide outbreak until you know some I don't know this is alleged because I don't know if it's true or not but police brutality that has been going on sanasana with COVID-19 you know restrictions I don't know who is on the wrong when I was born I began because also we're supposed to be in the house by 10 so really I don't know what's going on there but when activism comes to my mind is it always violent is it always about someone being dealt with not paki if you judge from history and not the history of activism you'll say it's like you said provoked but now we are trying to change the narrative where everybody becomes an activist because not only do we have issues like police brutality we have issues like gender inequality we have like I said access to justice and now the problem with not the narrative that we have about activism is we want to put everything into small small boxes instead of now looking at it from a wholesome perspective where if we thought one issue if people actually don't know their rights as a wholesome we won't have to now particularize and say now today we are going to deal with gender issues no you're going to know I as a Kenyan this is right this is wrong when it comes to now for example the issues of police brutality said each and every person is supposed to be in the house by 10 and if you're caught there are processes that are supposed to be followed so if you already know your rights you'll know that I've been caught violating the law I'm on the wrong so what is the next process take me to court take me to the police station give me my bail don't ask me for extra chums so that I can you know get out of the space so when we talk about activism I'd say basically let's talk about equity and equality equity is giving people what they deserve in equal man I know that we have we have vehemently okay I don't know if that's a way to use but it's I want the umf that it brings that we have really empowered the girl child and I want to say I'm sorry but I imagine I'm not like I'm not like there was and I kid you know there's still some people you know going through some certain types of things that you have your periods and it's a monthly thing for valley but you do not have access to sanitary towers so you sit on in the dat for days until ishe oh my gosh oh my gosh I don't know if it slaps different because I'm female but okay so we've come from that although some people are still experiencing it to now we can go to school now somebody you know might get pregnant but give birth and then go back to school I like the options that the girl child has been given but the boy child now does not know how to deal with us now that we've been empowered is that activism I'd say activism in that sense is as the boy child you know we want we really have a good constitution the 2010 constitution and in the 2010 constitution they've brought issues of affirmative action which has really enabled there female child to some extent it has left the boy child feeling a little bit neglected but if we want to say activism in the scope of the boy child what is the boy child doing to bridge the gap that is that is now widening you see let's have a good example the gender bill that was supposed to be passed last year and that is still being debated you know if we had good politicians they'd actually tell us the gender bill is not the female bill like right now we're in a position where most personally I've worked in a company where more than two thirds were women so do you want to tell me men do not need the gender bill you see so what if in the next 20 years each and every corporate has only female leading you see so now is that when we want to now start having a conversation on the gender bill you see so what is the boy child doing to also enable themselves to put them in a position where they can compete with the with the female child why sauti how did you come up with that name sauti underscore kenya was it was an idea that we that we had we were sitting for exams and at that time you okay was at the University of Nairobi and we were really pressed because we were not getting our results so we were how can we advocate our issues so my friends were like maybe we should go to the media stations but then again what we realized is most of these media stations are not independent enough you see they have very diplomatic they have I'd say the deep state in the fourth in the fourth government so even if you were to take our issues to a particular TV station would they be courageous enough to air out our views without making us sound like so we decided to come up with an independent station via social media where we are not aligned to any person we basically give you the facts it's for you to choose for example if we are talking about BBI we'll tell you what BBI is we won't tell you vote for BBI don't vote for BBI it's for you to understand the document then you can make a sound informed decision as opposed to now telling you this thing is going to help you in this way it might be helpful to me but is it helpful to you so that was basically it Saudi underscore Kenya is basically trying to have an independent voice when it comes to advocating for issues of social justice I was asked recently by someone who does not live here Anishi states and at the time they were you know going all crazy waiting for the votes to be counted for Biden to get into office I laugh who I was there giving thoughts trying to sound intelligent and then Nikaolizo what is BBI I went on by the way I gave like a whole paragraph I was throwing sorry he was yes but I gave a whole paragraph and it was honestly honestly very emotional for me because there are certain clauses in the thing that I really don't agree with and they're very hidden you know you just go say yay let's do this but there's a trap somewhere but if you were to just logically in a sentence explain what it is could you be able to it was to explain BBI I'd say it's the 2010 constitution expanded basically what they've done is they omichu kwa constitution at 2010 made it to look more favorable but the clauses are basically still the same no major amendments apart from a few chapters now when we come to the chapters of representation the legislature the judiciary now that is where you're going to see the major changes but if you were to read the 2010 constitution and compared to the BBI document that we have right now you'd actually not tell the it's like a copy paste you know mmhm yeah okay natu tatua pesa yeah natu tatua pesa mingisana you know personally most of the things that are in this document they would be easily made into gazeted laws like a bill for example when they talk about now putting mediation under a whole article in the constitution why don't they come up with a mediation bill that will not only you know if you look at the 2010 constitution you'll have a particular article you'll go to court but the article is not enough it doesn't explain oh you know for example article 27 that talks about equality we have so many cases in court trying to define the article in itself so instead of now having a whole constitutional change why don't we now take chapter 4 of the constitution make it into a bill that explains now the constitution if it's about now electoral processes why don't we put more emphasis on electoral justice instead of now adding more seats because i'm sure we've had to 70 MPs I don't see how having I don't know 370 ama it's 390 if 270 your machine do please tell me how 370s do you see yeah what I was what you see so um they should now find a way of making the 2010 constitution more understandable one thing I know is for example if I was to buy a car right now and um I do not know how to drive then I get me a driver who equally doesn't know how to drive so am I going to buy a new car or am I going to look for a driver who can actually drive you see so we have a very good document now the problem is implementation and the people who we have chosen to implement the constitution because okay let's now add let's have 94 senators and remember it's not that Kenya we are doing that well financially you know even the audacity of just you know present you to I don't know so um why don't they find a way of making sure that we have free and fair elections because even if we have all those positions that they are creating and still elections get rigged still people don't accept results please we're still going to have the same issue in the next general elections in as much as we're going to spend billions in having a constitutional referendum so yeah that's basically my take on the BBI document all I had is we're spending money guys money we don't have but again on a process we do not need anyway moving on in a lighter note I see Pikachu what's going on over here work me to it so over here we were at Laki Sama this are okay so at Laki Sama what we do is we use school going children to clean up the environment yeah so um these are Saturday events so what happens during the week days is we go to school from school to school teaching them about now like I said it's a week education in as much as they are young we are told that now these are the future generations so if they do not have a good understanding of leadership at the basic level how will they be able to comprehend when they are maybe now capable of voting I like that because also we need to learn to respect authority no matter how it comes you know just because some authority is not very convenient or nice that does not mean we have a choice whether we should you know be obedient to it or not what's going on over here so um here we were at Kibos general prison it's in Kisumu we had gone to offer legal aid services to the inmates that's so nice like you know and practical we really have I'm sorry to say but truth we told really have a corrupt justice system and I actually say the judiciary is failing like um now Kenyans because if you go to now even just basic committee you'll find that so many innocent people are inside there due to lack of information and lack of finances so basically what we do is go to prisons they tell us about now what what why they're there offer them advice for those who have serious serious cases refer them to now organizations like Kenyans human rights if it's now an issue with the police you can refer them to Aipoa yeah that's basically there was okay let's let's do this first what is this biosombari um over here we we were at the University of Nairobi we were actually debating on the Punguzamu Zigo Bill so we were there to give our opinion now this was the facilitators there was a story that trended a while ago where see i don't have names in my head right now but the story the gist of the story was there was a man who was in prison because his daughter apparently fabricated a lie that she had been raped by him and apparently as i was listening to the story again this is very hearsay things and in this news i had it and i'm saying it hearsay so apparently the mom was the mastermind of all that so he was released i think a few weeks ago coming to the end of 2020 and it was a whole thing i was on tv you know talking about how i forgive you what what and i'm thinking what happens if later on in life asemeto you know what i can't let this go what does that mean for him would he have to take it to court but he's already served a sentence okay um now let me talk about something we call restorative mediation restorative mediation is where we try to reconcile inmates with the community and their family members but now if we look at this case the one that you're talking about i'd basically say the man suffered great injustices this is basically one to prove a case of rape or defilement because i'm guessing the kid was the daughter was underage for you to prove a case of defilement and rape the standards are a little bit high so how did he end up in jail in the first place in the first place and to answer your question he said he's forgiven the family but let's look at the bigger picture what if we have a repeat of the same oh you know that shook me a bit okay what if we have because let's face it this man has really lost a lot and even Kenyans are losing a lot because now presidents has already been set by that decision that was made so what next so in as much as he has forgiven the family what is now the director of public prosecution doing to hold this to people accountable in as much as we want to say they've forgiven remember this was a judicial process that was taken advantage of and we want to deter women from making false repacizations because what does what that does is to water down claims yes of people who have legitimate claims you know the next time maybe someone goes to report um at the police station they'll be you know and then you know how cops are it will be harder you know so to avoid that to avoid a repeat of the same why don't we prosecute these people because the the law serves different purposes and one of the purposes is deterrence to deter people from doing something so let us prosecute this lady and the daughter let them face the full effects of the law then when they are facing the judicial process now the man can go and tell the judge I want to withdraw we've come to this and this and this then the judge will be in a position to determine and weigh the best way to go about it but we cannot take matters into our own hands and say we've forgiven we can only forgive but are we going to forget that's deep weh okay all right so that I have questions and I have comments do you have any I thought I found Facebook quite well for a channel on Twitter hashtag is why in the morning what happens to okay this I see generally in just movies and cities obviously American and I find it's interesting that you can actually sue the state for something that they have done whether it's damages in whatever state or form but what happens to who has no way to represent themselves or have someone represent them can spend near a lifetime seven years upwards in jail nani aliba kuku ju alikwa anja sati alikwa na wibi alam at you say I'm getting next day no like his problems were legit but after this person comes out is there can you sue the state can you get your compensation at least for the man now let's separate the two incidences remember here we have the rape case he was falsely accused he can get remedies he can file a civil suit against the director of public prosecutions because that's the ones who prosecuted the matter and he is entitled to damages on the other side do mesama kusum toa kuku let me quote the bible akuna akuna small sin na big sin you see these processes are guided by acts and when it comes to crime we have the penal code so if the penal code says for stealing you go in for five years the best thing the judge can do because they have been given discretion they can now weigh the merit of the case they can use their discretion and say okay ume ba kuku five years why don't you do you see and this is okay the law is unfair but it has to apply otherwise we'd have people stealing just for the sake because akishikuwa atenda kufagia you know so we have to follow the law basically that is what I'm saying but we have to follow it to the letter not selectively why am I saying this you've said kuna mtuata endandani jamie ba kuku and there someone else will be voted in alafu tumuakiyus and eba alafu endaya feint kenyata hospital have you forgotten that incident amani mi mitu so where is the justice in this why am I being prosecuted for stealing maybe and ume ba kuku most likely yoni out of necessity you know but there's someone as we actually speak right now someone someone is sifoning public funds you know about schools and desks and chairs and trees some of the summer is sifoning public funds and then kutakwana will so bloa and then they'll give us the whole show arrest then they'll be given bail terms bail terms that are not even reasonable yet we ume ba kuku na patiwa belya 200,000 this person has stolen billions belya 1 million that is like small change then now the process will drag on we will forget then we'll have other scandals and by the time we know now the files are missing you see so um I'd say it's uh corrupt system but we have to make it work us as Kenyans because in as much as we want to hold our politicians accountable we also have to look at individual accountability we have to look at collective responsibility as us as Kenyans what are we doing to make sure that we have better you know like when the show started you talked about high expectations you cannot have high expectations of someone when yourself you have nothing to offer so we cannot expect us to have good leaders when us ourselves we don't want to educate ourselves on the low we don't want to elect good leaders what we want to do is you know um be fanatics ah mimi nim tuwa mimi nim tuwa when we continue with that narrative ya mimi nim tuwa mimi nim tuwa that is we will continue complaining about oh mimi nili bakukunan Kenyanda nimi akasaba oh mimi nili accuse you of falsely you know because John Grisha who is my favorite opera say I like him too we as a people get the leaders we deserve that is a lot about us as people yes we get the leaders that we deserve so if we get this it's because we're also stealing from ourselves you know have if you look at now for example right now go to social media a basic conversation about the bbi which ask ya mimi nili support because so and so is supporting so and so has a self interest in the document you as yourself in the next 20 years because imagine right now if Kenya iko vini iko sayi please what about the next 20 years how will it be look at the education system right now children apparently now they're supposed to study oh sorry to study under trees and with this COVID issue I've seen the impoters of education but now Uyum totomonyana so much in Yamti how will you convince this person that this could this thing is good for them when they are struggling when they are not supposed to struggle when the government has funds to make sure they do not struggle at an early age you're already suffering like someone who's 70 so when you're 20 what will happen I read somewhere okay I don't really have the numbers and we gotta wind up can I just be just calling you just ask me questions you're like a fountain of information you're so cool anyway so anyway I read somewhere that Rwanda by the end of 2020 had spent in billions enough to revamp the school infrastructure that means to fit the COVID-19 guidelines what did we do in 2020 we campaigned we campaigned and then we went back and told politicians no we can't campaign because you're also the one of mefungawatu me seman no public events so really what do you want not withstanding that there are people who did not have access to school online but now they expect us to study with their peers and keep up so like it's getting me emotional but anyway I don't know anything guys clearly I know nothing but I'm going to know things now thank you yes I'm really glad I met her so how do we support you how do we follow you how do we keep up how do we stay woke we need to know things because no one can take knowledge away from you um first and foremost read you know no one can steal information from you no one can steal you okay they can steal your votes but so long as you knew you voted in with the right intention one day it will count so read inform yourself and I'm sorry to say but sometimes it's good to get away from the streets of Twitter because as a youth Nekama Twitter and we make our new constitution oh yes wait very easy yeah you know like it's good to have these conversations because this park emotions constructive conversations but yes you've seen a post now engage with their post want to know further say at the tomb want to have a post get on the side own a retweet what are you retitting for you know why read educate yourself spread information and the right information because we have information but we want the right information out there supporters basically follow our pages on instagram that is sauti underscore kenya if you have videos of now the social injustices going on if you have a story post give it to us you can go live spread and share Twitter it's Gatura underscore Gatura I'm not on Facebook sana you're truly a tier I was as a kid but yeah basically that is it for no sauti just spread information the right kind of information read read the constitution read the laws and the good thing is now we have internet go to Kenya law reports everything is given to you it's not for you to interact when it comes to choosing in leaders choose the right leaders not for yourself but for the future generations I do want my kid to grow up in a society where they do not have to fear being accused falsely of rape as a man as a woman and I want my daughter to go look for work and get the job out of merit you know not because of so and so you know guys I don't know about you but I am quite sure kuna eka kakito ati when you in Nairobi I don't even think it's an Nairobi thing just like when you get to public transport kama ni mat kama ni Ndozi kama ni taxi whatever when you get to a post lakini isere kaleitu story from where you have come from and had it sometimes unezara mambia pigepigela pendele tu nasnori jume shikaya just if you have anything that you need you know just halata man just she's here for you for me it's actually you know like how we say now the audacity for me it's the audacity of our government yani well but it's also guys I can't stop it's fun okay there's this saying also I read somewhere your government government can only be corrupt if the people themselves are corrupt first so shdani sisi nani we have the problem because how can we allow corruption if we are not corrupt ourselves and I'm starting with myself that I may think I may have done things very small but to shambi well there's no small thing or big thing it's just gotta follow the law to the letter okay any last words before we close this up for me I'd say is my message to now the Kenyan youths we are the majority in this country and if we want we can actually change the direction we don't have to it's okay to follow council from our old folks but now interact with now the current situations what is happening around our our country around the globe interact with each and every aspect then we'll make the right decision so that we can have a better country I am tired of having to you know look for a job for seven months just because tamaki it's like a rite of passage but should it be that no you know in as much as maybe we'd say we don't have the capacity to employ each and every person let's make Kenya a better space where in as much as you can't get employment you can be the one to create the employment that's deep meanwhile we are creating more seeds but there's no money anyway once again my name is valentine or it's color me valve you can find us a whitefifon on facebook white 254 channel on a twitter hashtag is one the morning we are trying to figure out how to recover from 2020 but let me tell you a secret not everyone is suffering tougher valley did you know did you know there's a juzinmona hotel impia impia impia and the way the hotel industry has been hit anyway it's the same way not everyone is eating cabbage this januari it's called money laundering hey weh abu sayana maali we're just going to give you some sauce a little bit and then we'll be right back with our panelists for the final segment of the show stay why