 We're cranking up the broadcast Patrick We already did a half hour show earlier, that's why that was just full fun that was that was easy Patrick just had to ask questions and I had to talk about myself Two of the things I knew all the answers Actually, there was one that I didn't know the answer of you're right Have you watched all the second season of the expanse? Tom no, yes, I'm caught up on the expense Don't I am not I still get I I've I crammed in two more episodes the other last night and I'm on so my next episode will be eight. I Still give it a B a solid B Oh, that's not bad for it super hard. Yeah, Roger. That's high praise to be honest. He doesn't give anything an A Why do which is very rare? Yeah, I know very rare. So what's the last thing you gave an A? on TV or movies TV or movies I wanted to say interstellar, but that was kind of that was a B plus Part of it is just because I find Matthew McConaughey kind of an annoying Yes It looks like disney is acquiring a majority stake in bam tech Bam tech is the new name of major league baseball advanced media Which is the independent company that has always done the baseball website and streaming And also does streaming for hbo now And Other companies wow disney is getting full a good totally moving outside of their Normal wheelhouse. Wow, I wouldn't say that this is pretty much in their wheelhouse The the streaming sports No, no, it's just a it's the back end company that does streaming for lots of companies not they could start They could easily start the streaming service of their own also disney owns espn. So That's pretty well, I mean espn, but also disney Yeah, bam also does nhl not netflix. What am I saying that disney star wars and marvel. Yeah, which Could make for something It yeah, I mean this would allow them to more easily launch the espn streaming service That they've been talking about maybe that's what it's about. I would pay five bucks a month for disney star wars marvel channel I mean this is from the walt disney company.com the walt disney company announced today that it has agreed to acquire Majority ownership of bam tech llc and will launch its espn branded multi sport video streaming service in early 2018 Followed by a new disney branded direct-to-consumer streaming service in 2019 Oh, I wonder if this this totally jives with yesterday's thing with The miller world netflix acquisition In so much that there there might be something afoot where disney might slowly segue their content Onto their own branded service That's exactly what they just wrote here. Yes Well, they don't do it is saying in the chat room disney owns like half of north america at this point. He's not wrong All right, you guys ready That was born ready Kittarol oh control There you go All right hiding I'm gonna we don't have time to write up a thing for this, but I'm gonna mention it. You can mention it. Yeah. Yeah Okay here Oh, we go The daily tech news show is brought to you by its global listener base not outside organizations to find out how you can contribute Go to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for tuesday august 8 2017 i'm tom mary joining me today patrick beija host of so many podcasts at french spin dot com. How are you patrick? Hi, i'm doing excellent. Although, you know, it's just two two podcasts so many So that's still significant amount. Yes. I guess there's also french spin dot fr. That's what I was thinking Yeah, yeah, then then you start getting into incredible so many territory. Yeah, or not. What's the opposite of ampou? Boku boku book. I knew that okay Hey, right before the show started. I saw that the walt disney company has posted on their website This is direct from walt disney not a rumor the walt disney company announced today that it has agreed to acquire majority ownership of bam tech And will launch its espn branded multi sport video streaming service in early 2018 Followed by a new disney branded direct to consumer streaming service in 2019 Bam tech is what used to be called major league baseball advanced media It is a streaming service that does a lot of sports does mlb It does major league soccer does nhl, but it also does the technology behind hbo now for instance and some other things And the other part of this patrick that's interesting is They actually wrote the most important parts of this story at the top of their press release It's almost like they want people to know what they're doing. Yeah, it doesn't always happen that way So I was very appreciative of that Do you think that this is going to be espn first and then other disney related things? Which well they say they say espn in 2018 and a disney branded direct to consumer streaming service in 2019 And and don't mistake this the espn branded service won't be just espn My guess is there will be things on espn broadcast that won't be on this service necessarily But we'll see they've talked about this being kind of a version of things that aren't on tv Um, but it will have major league baseball and nba and all that sort of thing. So Yep, it's uh, it's very interesting. All right. Let's start with a few other tech things you should know Wall Street Journal reports that uber plans to close its exchange leasing program due to unsustainably high losses Tech crunch confirmed it's considering a number of options, including maybe selling the program to a third party Unsaiced and unsustainably high losses. That's not a phrase you want to hear too often. Yeah Um, but maybe somebody else can make a go of it is what it sounds like. Yeah, it doesn't it's they don't make it sound very appealing Framing that way Spotify arrived in the xbox store for xbox one users It can play music while you play a game and features gaming oriented playlists This is the leak. This is the reality following the leak where we saw larry herb Messing around with it now. It's for real Google fired james damor the engineer who wrote an internal memo criticizing google's diversity policies ceo sundar pichai sent an email to employees saying the engineer had been fired because his memo advanced quote Harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace damor told reuters He would fight the dismissal and had filed a complaint with the u.s. National labor relations board before The firing this is a social and psychological issue. It's a it's a science issue. It's a political issue It's not really a tech issue So much you should make up your own mind about how you feel about it But make up your mind based on what he said in his memo go get the memo and read it Uh, don't just go on what you see in a headline There are some key points to consider The memo is critical of how google is going about encouraging diversity the author tries To say he supports diversity and remain even-handed he even cite sources But it also includes statements like women on average are more prone to anxiety and other women are Kind of statements professor david p schmitt of the university of michigan argues that the sex differences mentioned in the memo Are unlikely to be relevant to the google workplace. So there are things to criticize but That aside to be had in other venues Will it have an impact on us as users? And if so patrick, what do you think that might be? I think the only impact might be an image impact and that's kind of The the most important part of all of this. It's how uh, google addresses issues Sensitive issues in the workplace, which could affect its brand and its brand image Um, depending where you fall on that debate might depend how you perceive it I don't think it's gonna have any other impact really as you mentioned It's not be a tech issue In a strict way. I would have a lot to say about it in a different venue But I don't think it will impact users all that much Yeah, it's it's not likely that I mean there may be a significant boycott of google out of this But we've seen lots of boycotts like this sort of come and go from various sides Against companies. I would not expect this to necessarily be that different I I don't think that google looks like they're going to change their policies based on this So I wouldn't expect any difference from that side of things as well No, and I mean there have been reactions on on tech centric forums on 4chan and stuff like that but the other part of this uh, the story is that it's happening in the middle of summer and It let's say it could have become a big story I don't think that it will and I don't think that it would have But it happening in the middle of summer makes it even more unlikely that it would become a big like boycott type story It has been interesting to watch it You know my job every day is to look at the trends and tech stories and say, okay What are the things that are the biggest stories that everybody else is talking about and I'm going to make myself address those And what are the things that I think are interesting and we'll add those for flavor this story Generally shoots right to the top of tech meme And kind of bounces around in the google in google news own algorithm And and in other sources like our own sub reddit Doesn't show up as strongly as you might think for something as controversial as this Yeah, I mean, yeah, we the thing is it becomes a topic of conversation when you want to talk about the the nature of what the The engineer is saying which is controversial Um But yeah, no, I don't think I'm restraining myself from talking I mean honestly in the in this current climate, you know, not to straight too far from the technology of the story But this is not the only controversial statement or discussion being had out there So I think outside of of the google and silicon valley bubble It gets lost in a wash of other things like it that are happening, you know, yeah France, Germany and others are working to close loophole that have that are believed to have lowered tax bills for us tech companies And inhibited European tech companies from gaining market share France will impose simpler tax rules at an EU meeting in mid-september in Estonia Companies are cues of shifting profits and costs to areas with the greatest tax advantage The idea is to harmonize taxes between France and Germany by 2018 Then push for wider harmonization with the other 19 members of the eurozone So I mean Is is there a big problem? I I look at this and I think well if the tax laws are Are acts and a company takes advantage of those to spend the least amount of money and make the most profits Then the tax laws need changing which is what France and Germany are are proposing to do Let's harmonize the rules so that we're gonna I mean president Macron wants to bring down The corporate tax level in France, but he wants other countries to bring theirs up So there are no more havens where you can go like Ireland is the most famous one Where you locate in Ireland and then you try to show all of your profits in Ireland So they get taxed under the the lower rate and all your expenses in a country with a higher tax rate So that you show a loss in that country and as long as you're not lying or breaking the law I don't see that there's something wrong with that, but a lot of people Think ah, they're they're they're getting around the system when they're just using the system Or are they breaking the law? Are they are they sneaking around? Well, I think most people agree that they're probably not breaking the law There have been I mean, it's a big topic of conversation and when you ask is there a problem Yes, it's a big big problem because Uh, obviously the the real nature of the problem is that legally You can do that. You can since there are tax Not even just havens. They're just Ireland is one and we discuss this actually in a in the latest episode of the fideas club with Bart who is from Ireland and who's seen how much it has brought up the Irish economy and the Irish middle class Attracting big tech companies in their country. Thanks to that Um, but yeah, that's that's the the big problem. They're going there and putting their, uh, very They're not local dependent Workforce in those countries that are part of the eurozone and so they're doing work in other countries from there. That's a very Uh, uh classic way of doing business. You take advantage of the best possible configuration configuration you can get and the the key here is that Until now most, uh, people who have been Attacking the issue have been saying well, google shouldn't do that or you know, facebook shouldn't do that They should have the people who catered to the french market in france and obviously that's just wishful thinking it's not gonna happen. Um And and this is the first time that i've seen people seriously considering addressing the real issue, uh, which is these There's these disparities between the tax levels And of course it's a thousand times more complicated to address because you have like, you know 20 some countries that are very attached to their tax rates that you have to sit down at the table And uh, convince to harmonize all of this. So I don't know that it's gonna happen Easily, I don't know that Ireland is going to be happy to increase their tax rates anytime soon But that's the only way that I can see this could be fixed and it is again very big problem the reason this isn't just a business story and it is a tech story is because The one of the implications is that european companies feel they are at a disadvantage to us companies Uh like amazon and google and apple who come in and play this game But the european companies could also play this game. No, oh, of course, of course And I think to be I'm pretty sure when they get big enough they play that game too It's not just about the competition between foreign and local companies It's it's more the fact that the tech companies since they work so much with immaterial services and products Have a much easier time delocalizing their workforce and putting it in Ireland When the the the work is being applied to services So what usually happens is that they have a smaller team a sales team in the local country And everything else engineering customer service is done in Ireland And and that's where the the thing is difficult to reconcile because the business Is effectively happening with french customers with you know, and so those two are separate But well, and I could also see if you're a small european startup And these big five rich american companies come in and set up this complex network and you're like I can't afford to do that yet. I can't afford to just have sales staffs In european countries and then put everything else in ireland And and so i'm at a disadvantage because I can't get as big as them because i'm spending more money on my taxes I guess yeah, that would be an okay point to make. I think it's not the Main reason why the smaller companies can't get big enough if there are you know competition issues There are other competition issues that might also be at play, but that's my yeah And president macron wants to tackle those as well. He's trying to to encourage investment and and lower taxes for that reason KGI analyst ming chi quo has a good track record on knowing what apple and google are planning to do and according to apple insider Quo says three new iPhones will be announced at the same time in november launch on the same date And all be available in three colors The the flagship phone, which you'll hear everybody called the iphone 8, but that's not what its name is at least not yet Is the one with the oled screen according to quo and that one will have a limited supply So all these things we heard about and you heard me rail about delays previously on the show It's not a delay because they haven't announced anything But this idea of them having trouble with a successor flagship iphone Seemed to have resulted in just a limited supply Does that mean we're gonna see a much higher price Since they have limited supply and it seems they've been they've known that they're gonna have Limits, I wonder if they're gonna play it like this is the special edition that we're only gonna sell because it's to celebrate the 10 years of the iphone and it's gonna cost $15,000 well I think what quo says according to uh, uh boy genius report story here, uh, is that you've got You've got a Ramp-up period so it'll be hard to get at first but then it'll go into to mainstream production So my guess is the pricing will be whatever they were going to price it anyway But they're that this isn't going to affect the pricing. It's just going to affect the availability Which is not an unusual situation for apple products to be honest Yeah An alleged photo of the google pixel 2 was sent and published by gsa marina. It shows curved glass It shows curved glass two leds in the flash and stereo speakers on the front No headphone jack was pictured and they even say that the person who sent the photo is saying there's no headphone jack. So Yeah, so I I don't get too excited About these kinds of leaks because I'm like, all right, well, we'll find out if this is what it really looks like in a while But sure, maybe it'll look like that. I also just don't get that excited about phones Uh anymore and and this you know sticker laden developer version of the pixel 2 Isn't tripping my trigger. How about you? um I think the the more interesting thing To me is whether or not this is going to have a headphone jack Because i'm wondering if this is actually going to become a trend after much Despair from consumers or if it if we're just going to have phones with headphone jacks and phones without I have a feeling that flagship phones I mean forget apple flagship phones are increasingly Going to not have a headphone jack because they want to make them slim And if you're going to afford to buy that flagship phone, you can probably afford some bluetooth headphones as well And that's that's a trend we're already seeing because the iphone isn't the only one that took away a headphone jack And so we're going to be living in a world where the haves have Wireless headphones and the have-nots have to make do with those annoying wires to connect the have-nots or like I can plug mine into anything Exactly. I have a headphone jack. I actually have a headphone jack. Uh, the tables have turned. Yes What's it good? Uh, the group that copied data from hbo has released more internal data Including balance sheets employee agreements marketing strategy documents and a script for the next episode of game of thrones Just like they did last week group demanded a ransom this time though The amount supposedly in the millions must be paid in three days Or this group will leak even more information Hbo is continuing to work with law enforcement and security firms It doesn't seem like this is as embarrassing as the sony pictures hack from a few years ago because again hbo keeps saying They don't seem to have compromised our email system But you've got contracts and pay scales and things like that leaking out now And I think even more Important or potentially having more consequences than this is the personal information of some of the stars on the show including phone numbers And you know, that's the first time I I've thought Until now it's like they're never going to pay. They're never never going to do anything and I still don't think they're going to pay but If you have one of the stars of the show Getting a phone call and going like hey, dude, like I'm the hacker I have your phone number and I have all of your friends phone numbers and we're gonna release it have fun Can that person call hbo and go like dude wtf What is that's a very faithful recreation of what I believe the conversations with in fact it might be And um, and I wonder if that would prompt hbo to maybe do something. I still don't think so But that's the Ironically, it seems to me like the biggest piece of leverage that they have because what do you do in that situation? Do you actually ask all of these? Stars to change their phone numbers and like inform everyone I was gonna say but the the way the scenario goes in my my head is this gets leaked Uh, the managers of these people see that the phone number is there and go about probably what is uh, Day regour for them, uh from various other leaks that have happened in the past like, uh, sorry, Amelia Time to change your phone number again, uh, this this time it's the hbo leak that caused it Um, but even more so than just personal information, which I think is a concern is also pay scale contract terms things that can give other Agents of other stars leverage in negotiating contracts hbo doesn't want all that out there either I'm sure they know Like the I mean they there's a difference between knowing and be able to say I saw the leak you're paying kit this much My my client needs this much now as well That is true. And you know out of the leaks of uh, sony a few years ago came Uh an actual collaboration between marvel studios in sony, which gave us uh, spider-man homecomings Maybe something wonderful will come out of the hbo leaks as well I don't know what that would be More game of thrones. Maybe hbo wants to work with marvel to do another type of it's always marvel It's always marvel Uh, well folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes just to keep up if you're like I have a hard time keeping up. I don't make that excuse anymore Go subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com You will keep up every day and then you can dive into dts on the days you have time and get a fuller Discussion of the tech news daily tech headlines is available as a podcast You can get it on anchor you can get it on google home and you can get it on the amazon echo Go check it out at dailytech headlines dot com Now uh patrick and I were just talking about different things today and and you brought up the idea Of the famous bill gates quote. He wrote it in the book the road ahead back in 1996 We always overestimate the change that will occur in the next two years And underestimate the change that will occur in the next 10 Don't let yourself be lulled into in action And as we're talking about artificial intelligence machine learning internet of things v r a r self-driving cars Kind of see this over and over and over again, huh? Yeah, I mean I really think it applies. I mean obviously to tech um, but it's really one of those Brilliant quotes that give you a kind of shine the light on the way things are that you don't necessarily because you're always You know mired in the in the moment in the instant in the year And you're thinking you're not seeing with a wide enough scale And this really puts things in in perspective and it's very true Like we tend to do this especially in the tech world. We're so impatient When things don't happen in a year because the technology is there because the technology exists We're like, well, it's never gonna happen or like we're disappointed because it didn't happen after this is the year of vr vr dead And it's like, well, no, this is the year we got three headsets and they sold okay They're not great, but they'll sell better next year. You know, it's yeah, it's exactly it Yeah, so I think it's it's a really enlightening um Bill Gates had has lots of quotes. I'm sure this is one of his uh, best ones I would say and uh Uh, interestingly I think it was mark zuckerberg that mentioned it a few months back and that's when I actually discovered it And uh, I think it's a great way of looking Especially when you're working in tech of looking at how the the markets evolve Um, and it's certainly something that the business people in that industry should keep in mind Well, let's so this is a good chance for us to take a step back And this is something I like to do on daily tech news show is not just give you the the trends as they're happening But but give a little overview and perspective on them to so you can help to understand them Patrick and I each have picked an example from the past of when this quote was true Where we overestimated what would happen in two years and underestimated what would happen in ten roughly We're not holding ourselves to exactly those those timelines So one one example of it happened in the past and our best bet of it happening again in the future Patrick, what what's your example from the past? So it's you know, we were preparing the episode and uh, I was saying Hey, you know what would be fun if we don't discuss our uh examples And so we discovered them on the show and you mentioned But you know, maybe we're gonna have the same one and I was thinking no no no that's not gonna happen Well, guess what so I had two I had sort of prepared for this But one of my examples is the same as yours. So maybe we should start with that Uh, you mean my my example from the past is bandwidth. Yeah, you'd picked bandwidth. Really? I picked I picked data speeds in both mobile and wired Uh connections. I mean landlines Because I think that's the most Uh, uh impressive one probably I that's so funny because I thought oh, well, this is one that isn't obvious So Patrick probably not that you would pick obvious, but I was like I'm gonna try not to pick one that I think Patrick will pick That's hilarious through my entire experience with covering tech I have constantly run into this premise of we're about to have a bandwidth crunch When netflix first launched their service, uh for streaming when their streaming service It'll never catch on because there's about to be a bandwidth crunch where the data caps are gonna crush us We're not going to be able to have enough bandwidth for 15 years I've been hearing that bandwidth crunch is just around the corner and at the same time Hearing that but in 10 years, there'll be a plenty of bandwidth in 10 years There won't be it will go through a bandwidth crunch But in 10 years after that bandwidth will be limitless everybody will have all the bandwidth They won't be problem anymore. Yeah, we just need to work through it, which is also wrong Uh, it's it's it's neither we never hit the horrible bandwidth crunch We're always just kind of on the edge of comfortableness, right? Like I wish I had a little more I can get what I need done, uh, and then but we never get to that point of of wildly wonderful availability Yeah, and it's it's the case in uh wired connection, but also in, uh Mobile connections, you know, I remember only 10 years ago the iPhone the release of the iPhone is always a milestone because of course that's when real bandwidth needs started on mobile and The first iPhone didn't even have 3g. I mean he was around But it was not so common that it was absolutely necessary. It was criticism for the first iPhone So it was still I remember spending the entire span of the bay bridge downloading a web page on my original iPhone Exactly. Yeah, and I think we thought at the time. Oh, but you know 3g is gonna Is gonna be ubiquitous and we're almost gonna have 4g pretty soon And it was like we thought that 3g was awesome and that it was incredible and that that it was gonna be pretty much everywhere And I guess on that end it was real But I don't think we could have imagined 4g 10 years later being as Ubiquitous as it is and now we're looking into 5g and honestly that had you talked about actual 4g speeds to someone from 2005 Or 2006 they would have thought you were insane because most people No one almost was getting those speeds at home with wired connections. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely in 2005 I was getting dsl at home. Yeah, which was less than 1.5 megabits per second I can't imagine how I lived but we did Somehow I guess we managed. Yeah Mine from the past is stretching that that, you know, 10 years limit, but It would be speech and mostly handwriting recognition Which I remember seeing for 15 years maybe and oh, yeah every time it was like we're almost there, especially handwriting I remember seeing in Japan of, you know, I can't remember there was like dragon naturally speaking and a couple of others where it was like We're almost there like we can understand almost everything and it's usable. Yes, you have to say something But we're all like it always felt like two years down the line. It would they would understand everything in 1995 I was commanding windows 3.1 with my voice I had I had a program that would allow me to say, you know Go to program manager and it had to be trained trained and it was a little clunky But I was like, this is, you know in a couple of years everybody will be doing this Yeah, and it was, you know, it was almost keywords at the time But it felt like it would be proper speech fairly soon And I think a lot of people now are very frustrated with their virtual assistants assistants Their series their series and all of their Amazon voice services Let's not say the names But the thing I think that people don't realize is that the recognition part of it like the speech and even the hand writing recognition part of it Works incredibly well. If you have an iPad pro or a surface Try the hand writing recognition. There's an app on iPad called demo Oh, maybe I'm not saying the right name. Sorry. I want to I want to say the name of the app because Nebo and ebo it is Unreal like my hand writing is horrendous and it recognizes it almost perfectly and that that's the kind of things we were expecting You know kind of two years ago I when when we were talking about it 10 or 15 years ago But I don't think we we thought it could realistically recognize Not even I'm not even trying when I'm writing this and it still recognizes it. Yeah, that's probably all of these are probably due to the Leaps that we've had in deep learning in the past five years But still it's now it's working and that's kind of incredible Well, and that's that's the problem and before we get to our future predictions is We think in a straight line we just can't help it That's the way humans think and innovation happens in an s-curve. I've seen lots of other people say this I'm not I'm not coming up with this but innovation You know creeps at the beginning and then then has a hockey stick before it levels back out And and so when we predict we're predicting in a line, which is why we're over estimating We're like, why isn't it going fast? But then we don't account for the hockey stick and we underestimate farther down the line What's your future prediction of what we're doing this right now? So there's a lot of future predictions That are pretty obvious and I think one of yours is one of these You know things that we all think of when we're looking at it Mine if I'm trying to to Go a little bit outside the beaten path would be wireless everything This is one of the technologies that we Have seen around for a couple of years and everyone is like yeah, it's kind of working and it's super Super that you have the enthusiasts like the people who absolutely want to make it work and who Try to to have all their Devices equipped with these kinds of things and you had people who were using I remember what was it java java wireless headsets? A few years ago. Which one is important? No, not jobone Maybe java. Yeah And it was it was okay, but it wasn't really to the point where it would be Absolutely as handy as something that is almost that is wired or almost I think we're getting there though not quite yet, but wireless charging is getting to a point where I think it's Possibly going to be used a little bit more and wireless Audio, I mean even wi-fi when you think of it only a few years ago And I'm saying like four years ago when you are doing a show Podcast even especially in video You would ask people to please Be wired Um, I would agonize if people didn't go wired I would almost demand that they go wired and now it's like hey could you go wired if you can it'll probably be okay You know because wi-fi has sped up. We've got faster wi-fi that we used to and the lag is less So wi-fi is obvious, but I think there's also possibly wireless charging and I mean wireless audio if we mentioned that lack of Headphone jack on on yeah, that's going to be a problem a problem problem and then no one will notice it's gone Exactly. It's exactly what we're talking about. You know paperless office is along the same lines I hadn't thought about it till you mentioned wireless. True. Yeah for a long time people were Judd the joke of the paperless office, right? And then suddenly you looked around one day You're like, oh everyone's collaborating on google docs and and microsoft office online. Hmm. Yeah It's kind of like what when you're you know the older manager asks if you know prints something you look at them like Yeah, or someone asks you for a fax and you're like, oh, I guess people still do that I don't I don't think people ask for well. Okay. We're gonna get real estate. Yeah Um, but I think one additional thing for the wireless headphones I think if ai develops enough that it understands it and understands what we want just not what we're saying it might Accompany the development of wireless headphones because it might turn those assistants, you know, if we have if we use them all the time It's not going to be very practical to have you know Smart speakers everywhere. It's much more. It's much easier to have a A head an earbud in yeah, something less obtrusive than the air pods one hopes That can be just hidden in your ear and and then you can hear it Or maybe it maybe it just goes on the outside, right and it uses bone conduction like job Maybe yeah, and you need more you need lots of battery as well That's one that we didn't mention because it I think it gets better, but it's linear I think it bucks this trend. Uh, we overestimate the change that will occur in all the years always forever That's the way it feels, but I know one day that'll be wrong the new battery tech that finally works will happen It just don't know when it'll be I was going to say self-driving cars is a classical example in the making Many argue that the true level Five autonomy where you don't need a human is more than 40 years away. They're like This is this is a lot farther away than people think But when you talk about near-term people are like, oh, we're going to be having self-driving cars next year You hear a long musk and tesla saying yep by the end of the year by early next year We're definitely going to have these self-driving cars And I think we're going to lag behind that In in the next two years. We're not going to see self-driving cars take over the road But I think they will come faster than 40 years Yeah, I think I mean even if they're not like completely level five You don't even think about where the wheel is I think we will all be surprised in 10 years or maybe not because people are listening to this show, but Will all be surprised in 10 years how far the self-driving cars have come because The infrastructure needs are definitely real and you do need to have You know, if you're thinking in in how cars work now, you probably need A big work on the infrastructure to enable self-driving cars, but if the you know If the ai evolves enough that it understands the world around it Well enough Then it just looks at things around as we would and can drive the car. It's almost like deep learning enables Speech and handwriting understanding So it sort of enables that other technology I think if ai evolves enough Then the needs for infrastructure in more cases is lessened So hand-in-hand you're absolutely right because the the fact that you can have them without Any infrastructure changes right now is a testament to how far we've come With that machine learning but People were thinking it was going to progress faster than it has and in fact companies like bmw and dimler have announced alliances Instead of continuing with their own solo projects at first every car maker was like We're going to do a self-driving car project because this looks real looks like what google was was pioneering is real Let's do it and now they're saying well It might not make as much money as we thought in fact a german car maker board member Told reuters. He wanted to remain anonymous. He or she But said although it is a substantial market It may not be worth the scale of investment currently being sunk into it, which is a classic example of what we're talking about Yeah, we'll see what uh elon musk manages to do. Maybe he's going to keep bushing everyone and Come out with products. 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We can't predict the future of tech It's not quite the future. Well, I guess yes, it is two years in trenders game Trenders game Man, dark redeemer's on on on these days. Wham bam. Thank you walt Disney goes bam ESP bam get it says genderender Fan with gone the way of the ice caps $15,000 the haves have crappy bluetooth headphones three techs four or two techs back I like trenders game There's also really good Beginning of the trend and hacked box office. Although we've used that before I think Oh trenders game. No, no the hacked hacked box office Something along those lines. I think Did we did we use that before? I remember something similar being up when we were doing an hbo story If not this year late last year I apologize. I had the wrong link for uh, ming chi quo in there. I had I had the boy genius report link instead of apple insider Which made roger put the wrong one up. So that's my fault Tom's fault sir. I'm fixing it in the show notes though And while I fix it, I won't be saying anything interesting No, so what's the fit so which german which german? Not official, but um Corporate corporate speak body said that the investment was way too high for electric cars Uh, isn't that an anonymous anonymous source? Yes Because I'm wondering if he's taken the position of an existing car company Which might be true because you have a you have a huge legacy supply chain you need to deal with If you look at my note it says german car maker board member anonymously to roiders and if you read the roider's story It says a a board member of a major german car company who wish to remain anonymous told us So maybe they're trying to lull their enemies in a full sense of security Maybe Maybe we don't know I don't know do they have dragons german car companies are looking down the barrel Of your regulation possibly Oh Hmm What are you trying to say? Oh, no, I'm just like he might be him He she it they The hive mind that spoke probably like five of them speaking together in unison possibly No, I mean, uh, it's uh, I'm curious to know if if if that's speaking From a car existing car companies point of view versus like oh, we don't have You know, we're not a car company, but we want to start one No, it's from a a german automaker Yeah I mean if you read the context of the roiders story basically what the roiders story says is These car makers are starting to pool their resources Because they're nervous about their return on investment And so they want to share the risk around and and it's born out with what they're doing You're seeing car companies saying hey, let's let's let's share resources on this research We'll both benefit, but if it doesn't pan out as well We're not sinking a ton of money into it And so I I don't think there's much else to that quote other than like, yeah That's we're starting to think maybe all this investment won't pay off. So we're we're we're hedging our bets I don't know that there's much else to it In this particular case I think it's easy to get to that conclusion when The thing is still in the early slash middle stages of development The thing is if it starts bearing fruit and it's as big as people If we were only if we weren't seeing any other car companies teaming up Then I would say oh, you may be right roger. There may be something else going on here But what is being said anonymously? Looks exactly like what they're doing in public It's just in public. They're not saying it's because they're worried about the investment because they don't want to spook their shareholders Possibly I don't know. I'm just I'm cynical about stuff like that. I know I know and I appreciate that Well, part of it is that it's car companies have teamed up for decades on different things together. That wasn't necessarily um Uh, I mean it was all about cost savings, but it was like for example gm and for Co-produced a common transmission for the cars and you run a factory together Oh, and that's kind of what this is. It's about cost saving. It's like, hmm We don't know if the return investment's going to be as big. So let's save some costs. Let's let's develop together You should read that writer's article because I think it'll It'll put put it in more context for you Apparently disney is saying it's going to pull its movies from netflix too Oh Where are you seeing that? I'm seeing it on cnbc Oh those people with their reliable sources and journalistic ethics Yep That's why that makes the whole better, but it in the chat room cnbc always has sources though not um Not direct quotes. They're that's what they're good at. They're good at cultivating the The anonymous source Cultivated Hey, we are hearing someone play something. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry There's also plans to launch a branded disney direct to consumer now This is actually disney Announcing during its latest earnings report that it intends to remove its movies from netflix. So it's not a source at all Yeah, so I guess yeah, that's what it's not a source at all I don't think they can make it 10 bucks though the brand direct to consumer streaming service I mentioned on the show that's in there right that's in their press release Yeah So well, I guess it makes sense is that if they have a Branded thing that they would pull Huh netflix stock dropped more than 5% upon the announcement Yeah I mean, but so does that mean has been preparing for this day forever Of course The whole reason they started doing original content is they're like guess what's gonna happen People are gonna be less and less likely to want to license their content to us So we need to have a really strong back catalog Sure. What happens to the disney? Own properties that have You know content deals with netflix like Again marvel series Netflix said disney movies will be available through the end of 2018 on its platform marvel tv shows will remain So I guess my guess is here Disney said through the end of 2018 will contract to allow you to play our movies on netflix Just like, you know, we do with hbo and cinemax and everybody else Separately netflix went into an agreement with disney with marvel to say let's co-produce movies for netflix And we will have the rights to show them forever and ever and ever and continue to develop them That's different Then it's it's a marvel netflix co-production. Just like it's a marvel fox or a marvel sony. Of course. Yeah Do you think that means they're going to start producing original content for their streaming service? though, yes I mean, they already do they produce original content for abc, right? So why wouldn't they produce original content for a streaming service as well? Are they the ones producing it? Or are they contracting? Maybe see Or you know, abc is owned by disney. So Oh, one have it doesn't do the other Okay, okay. Well, they also have the disney cable channel on the fxd and they have a lot of But it's not that that much of a leap then I guess again Yeah, that's what i'm saying is they they own a bunch of channels already So having a streaming only channel is just a different delivery method Really what this enables them to do is kind of really wind back or come to negotiations with Uh, whoever cable and I'm I'm I'm wondering if this is a play that To like bypass movie theaters entirely in some cases for like first run releases and say just get it on our You're not going to forgo the Nobody's going to do that, but netflix for a long time Even amazon is backtracking on that and becoming more theater friendly as it was. Yeah amazon is basically out there going 90 day windows great for us We'll totally do that. You know in france we have 36 months, I know for subscription vod for between release in the movies and it's insane And um, but what yeah what they that allows them to do is to not have to share I mean what this really Indicates is that production houses and content owners Are deciding hey, we make more money if we Actually provide our content directly to the viewer rather than going through intermediaries This is really bad news for cable companies It's it's less bad news for theaters because that's a different experience And I think it will remain a different experience But netflix it's you know netflix is going to have to rely more and more on its own content Or smaller companies that don't have the distribution power who want to get a little extra money But yes cbs has been doing this since the beginning cbs never gave It shows exclusively to anyone instead They give their shows to everyone and they keep their new shows only for themselves So new stuff on cbs only shows up on cbs all access But back catalog will show up on hulu and netflix and amazon And it really that's just extending what they used to do with their uh syndication model Yeah, and and cbs is is now they looked backwards when they're like no We're not giving our new shows to hulu and they looked backwards when they're like no We're not giving our back catalog exclusively to anybody But now they look super smart because they're making tons of money up their back catalog And cbs all access actually gets money because people are saying well, that's the one place I can get whatever it is You know the good fight or star trek discovery or whatever Soon they're gonna start owning actors again The studio system I think i'm gonna get star trek discovery at the same time as you guys. You'll get it on netflix, right? Yeah, exactly Yeah That makes me happy Take that america I got so caught up in talking about this with you guys that I uh, I'm sorry didn't notice my mp3 finished exporting All right, i'm actually gonna leave you head up. Okay. Thanks magic publishing Thanks guys. Thanks chat room. I love you. I'm looking at the chat room now. You can't you know, it's on that side Bye. Goodbye