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Sad to say, but I must put these on for at least a period of time, and then invite in my beautiful guest, Claudia. Claudia, welcome to the show. Hello. I'm super excited to talk to you, Debbie. Thank you. I am too. And so here's the dealio. I've got one of these in every room in my house. I've got extra in my closet, just in case. I've got some in my travel, because honestly, if I go anywhere without these, I'm completely incapacitated. So how normal is that? You mean getting glasses? I don't know your whole story, but I'm assuming that you got glasses sometime. But not just getting glasses. What I mean is having a pair everywhere, because God forbid, you don't have them. And then like really, I couldn't read things on screen, I couldn't read labels, my iPhone, ridiculous. It is very common for sure. And it takes away your freedom. Like you said, you feel like in cap, what did you say? Incapitated? No, incapitated. I can't remember the word. That's my second look. But yeah, it's very, it takes away your freedom. It's like a handicap, right? Having a vision not being perfect is a handicap that I also experienced before I got rid of my glasses. And if people heard nothing else, hear that, she threw away her glasses. That's why we're doing this. When I was growing up and even well into my adulthood, Claudia, well, well, well into my adulthood, especially if I had a boyfriend who wore glasses, I had perfect eyesight for a really long time. And I never understood people who wore glasses. And I would say to them or friends like, what is it like? Because I couldn't understand it. And they'd say, oh, so when I wake up in the morning, I can't just wake up and see an alarm clock. I have to do this and squint or turn on lights or, you know, I'm lost without some kind of a contact or a glass. So I would do that just to see what it's like. I'm sorry I ever did that. But now I know what it's like. And so it hasn't gotten better over the years. It just keeps getting worse. And I'm going to add to the mix here and really like the big bomb is during our lockdown and quarantine, my eyesight's gotten worse. I cannot even use my contacts successfully. So speak to that. So I am assuming at this point with a lockdown that you're spending more time on screens. Is that is that true or is it do you have more stress or there's a lot of factors that I want to say for the listeners. There's a lot of factors that influence our vision. And at the fundamental level it's stress, right? Stress being in that fight or flight mode, even if you don't have to be. And that's in kind of a mental strain nervous system like panic mode where your vision is worse for everybody. Vision varies for everybody. And when you use a lot of screens like we do now in the lockdown, and if you don't know what the good habits are to use the screens properly, your vision will definitely get worse. And wearing glasses will make your vision worse. Like what you experienced exactly is what happens very, very, to basically everybody that starts wearing them. Oh, what good news. Yeah, I mean, I have some clips. If I didn't think it was bad enough, then yeah. So thankfully that's exactly why you're here. And I'm just posting because I know we've got people with us, which is awesome in case they have some questions they want to ask of you. They're welcome to jump on and ask those. So I'm all yours. I mean, when you say you threw away your glasses, will you just say up front? Because I like to be very transparent with people, especially if we're going to build hope or anything. Like how long did it take you? Did you just one day go? That's it. I'm done. Boom. Or was it a process? And if it was a process, how long till you could literally go? You were great for the time being, but bye bye. It's definitely a process. I didn't just throw my glasses away. I got glasses at age three. So my eye was turning in my right eye and I wore them all through childhood. And I discovered the kind of natural vision improvement method in my early 20s. And I was able, with all the techniques, to get rid of my glasses and not wear them. And so I was kind of in that what you talked about earlier, like, oh, my vision is great now. And then in my 30s, I was in a really horrible marriage. It ended in divorce, very stressful time. And I was back in glasses. And at some point when I was just a little bit over 40, I had that epiphany because I really took my glasses off one day. And everything was super blurry, like so much worse than ever before. And I'm like, this doesn't feel right. Like this doesn't feel right. And I remember that I had this book, I literally bought this book in like the early 80s or something, right? And I found I searched everything, found that book, used those methods again, and I saw a change. And then I actually ended up getting a coach, a vision teacher, because it's very difficult to do this on your own, right? Because it's about strain and having tension. And you're usually unaware of those things. Like, you know, if we were to be aware of that, it would be easy, right? So I ended up getting a coach. And I think about, and then I did my teacher training. So in terms of years, to be completely glasses free, maybe it was like a year or two, it didn't take that long for me. Okay. And when you say a year or two, then how did you manage in the interim? If you're going to say goodbye to your glasses and release them, but you're not fully seeing as well as you do right now, how did you manage getting by every day? So that's a, that's a great question. So in my case, the glasses I use lose them mostly for driving, but I was okay with near point, like reading was okay. And so this really depends on for your listeners where they start from, right? If you are super nearsighted or have progressive glasses, and you have no clarity at any point, you start with the distance that's the best. That's usually like for you in your case, for instance, you've been starting to wear readers, you know, your distance vision will be easier to fix. And what I also encourage everybody to do, notice how your vision varies, like how you talked about it got worse, but when is it best? When is it worse? Is it the time of the day? Is it your stress level? Is it the task that you're doing? You know, if you do something you absolutely hate doing for me, that's bookkeeping or looking at numbers. I'm, you know, yesterday, for instance, I let my first webinar and my new launch, and I was, I always have that stage fright, right? And I had a lot of 500 people show up. And that moment before it went on, everything was blurry. And then the second I started, it's like, come, everything is clear. So I'm like, you know, I could be worried, but I know that was just the adrenaline and the stress kind of, you know, making my vision worse. So that's the first step. And then doing everything you can do without glasses. So if you have a distance where you're okay, maybe have a little bit blur, but you know, you're okay, you're not, you're not squinting. So if you're squinting or straining, that's not helpful, right? So for instance, if for, for instance, driving, as an example, in California, where we live in most states in the United States, you legally need 2040 vision for driving, like, you know, that's not perfect vision and one eye, right? So, so I see some people that have 2010 vision with their glasses. So you depends on how you feel, right? If you like driving, but legally, that's all you need. Right? So you don't need perfect vision that they don't even require that. So do as much as you can without glasses, and then use the weakest glasses that you can get away with for like, say, reading whatever, wherever you have challenges, right? Yeah. Interesting. Okay. And we're going to get kickstarted into solutions here. I want to say one thing, because I've spoken to Claudia previously. And one of the tips that Claudia gave me, I have found to be ridiculously true in my life. And I've surprised myself because now I'm aware of it because of what you shared, Claudia. So one of the things Claudia said was we have a tendency with glad when we wear glasses, that we end up going on to the next thing in our day, and we're still wearing them. So these are only readers, I have good distance. And actually, to answer your earlier question, where I see the biggest problem is in darkness versus light. When I have a lot of light, I see much better darkness, much worse. And what I found myself doing since Claudia brought it up is becoming really lazy. So if I'm doing work here, instead of being done here and taking off the glasses and then let's say I go into the next room and I handle something I have no need for glasses. Instead, I was walking around like this. And doing all of this or like this. And doing all these tasks, not realizing I was actually affecting my eyesight for the worse by not removing the glasses. So I really want to share this because there may be a lot of people out there going, my God, I do the same thing. I'm lazy like that too. And I didn't realize. Yeah. So what you were doing is actually fostering creation of a stigmatism. So when you have your glasses like on the bottom of your nose, you know, like looking above them, any time you move your basically natural vision, one tip I can give your listeners right now, natural vision is that we move our attention, right? So I think of moving my attention over there. You move your head, you don't want to just move your eyes around. And that's what happens when you have the readers at the bottom and you kind of looking above them, you instead of looking up, you know, you're kind of just moving your eyes. And if you do that habitually in the same direction all the time, you will develop an astigmatism in that angle. So this is like the postural habits that come with wearing glasses, especially progressives, that you don't have those, but the ones that give you different diopters for different, they assume that you look straight ahead, you look in the distance, you look down your reading. In reality, you might be on the computer, which is two feet away, not 20 feet away. And then you do that chin up kind of thing. And that creates an astigmatism. So that's why the rule is to, again, what you just said, they don't wear them when you don't need them and then use the weakest strength you can because diopters can only correct you for a single distance. So your readers are meant to correct you for like 16 inches, right? To look and read a book or something. Now you look at something a little further away, that's, you don't need that, right? You, you might need, I don't know what you have in your readers. Let's say it's a plus two, maybe you need a plus, yeah, maybe you need a plus one for something that's, you know, a little further away. But again, I always say, reframe the blur in a way that not everything should be super blurry. But if you find that right, that edge where things could be clear when you take a few deep breaths, your blink, blinking is super important for good vision to keep your eyes lubricated, belly breathing is creating that relaxation response. And then just check in and be like, do I really need my glasses? Like the ideal sweet spot is when you don't wear glasses or weaker glasses and you find yourself with clear vision when you relax, but the second you, you hold your breath or you get stressed or whatever, there's a blur. And that's what I mean, befriend the blur, like the blur is like, hey, what's going on Claudia or Debbie? Like, what's going on with you right now? Like I noticed yesterday before my webinar, right? I was like in so panic mode, you know, there's something that doesn't work, like technology, you know, and you're like, you know, and the second everything started, I was like, everything was clear. So All right, so what we just learned, and I'm just taking notes here is be careful of stress that weakens the eyes, befriend the blur and do not wear your glasses all the time, take them off when not needed. Okay, this is amazing. And I would love more, I would like to be here, let me throw down the gauntlet. I would actually like to be one of your success stories, one of your testimonies. And I'm going to be really honest. Even as a metaphysician, I don't know if I believe it. So I'm a skeptic. I believe you did it. I don't know if I can do it. So if you really believe it's possible for me and anybody watching or listening right now, because this is video and audio. If it's true, can you arm us with the tool belt so that this can be so that if we literally follow your recipe, Claudia, we can all become your testimonies and say this woman, Claudia, save my eyes. And by the way, give us your last name and your website because people will be interested. So my last name is Mühlenweg, which is German and it means lane to the mill. And my website is myholisticvision.com. Myholisticvision.com. I also have a free download there called 10 Habits for Healthy Happy Eyes that give you 10 really great strategies to improve your eyesight. And you're not believing it. So there's lots of studies out there. I can I'm happy to supply those to you. But apart from that vision, like if you notice yourself that your vision varies, which can happen every 10 seconds for even if you have perfect vision, you know, our eyes are not like that part of the system, the brain, we do see in the brain and the visual context is where we actually perceive the eyeballs are like the, you know, the portal basically where the light comes in. So anything we perceive is happens in the brain and the brain we know that from neuroplasticity, the brain can be trained and the brain is also the driver of everything, your muscle tension, your breathing, your muscle contra everything is it's like this is the head, right, the control unit basically. So you can you can be in stress mode all day long or you can start noticing patterns. So the thing is the people that are successful are first of all committed. They do believe that they can create change. I have a good friend who actually died two days ago. I'm super sad at 101 perfect eyesight all his life, the most positive mindset that you can imagine. So the elders that are healthy and they they don't believe everything goes downhill when you're over 45 right it's that that mindset of imagining clarity and you actually see better versus like I'm blind without my glasses, you know, like you literally say these things like thoughts change our physical being. You know, if you ever read Joe Dispenza or any of those kind of books, right. So your thoughts affect your your being. It starts it starts in the mind really. I have so many more things but I don't want to go on and on and maybe have some questions in between so. Yes. And I'm copiously taking notes so thoughts can change our physical being it starts in the mind. So yeah, let's do. But I also want to say I know tons of people who don't believe in things but do them. I mean, there's the metaphysical part but I know people who do things and actually if they do them diligently will still succeed just they're blown away right there may be more surprised than those who started out as great believers I also know people who believe and don't always create. So maybe it's about what's really on the inside that will or will not get in the way. I'll tell you even though I'm a skeptic I'm willing. I'm really willing because man am I over glasses and contacts big time. I have pretty eyes I have a pretty face I'm tired of having to have stuff here and if I'm without them and God forbid in a grocery store I don't even know what prices are. It's horrible. I don't even know what I'm looking at in a can or a package. So yes, I want you to take the reins here and give us I don't care if it's three steps or 10 steps or whatever it is that we can literally one day at a time start to incorporate these and use these the Claudia method. Okay happy to do that. One thing I want to say about not believing is there's a difference if you train your apps and you just do mechanical crunches you will still see changes because our eyesight is so intricately connected to our emotions our feelings how we see the world how we see others you know that like you talked about the inside right how our insides so it's kind of like eyesight is not just muscle training there is eye exercises and I'm happy to to share some with you however it's really more about I like the word relax the sizes more connecting with what you see what you don't want to see right you're so good vision let me start with some tips here so the the foundations of good vision are basically it's rest light and movement and rest means that sometimes literally just you know you don't stand or run all day you know you rest in between it could be simply closing your eyes taking a few deep breaths so what I like to do is called parming you use the your the heels of your hands and you place them on the bony part of your eye socket so you're not touching your eyes right you cup your hands a little bit and you cover your closed eyes you cover them with your hands like so and then you rest your elbows on something ideally so you can completely relax and then you take a few deep breaths and you think of something that really makes you happy that relaxes you you can use a meditation mantra any like it doesn't matter what you do you don't want to listen to the news while you do this you it's really about dropping in and noticing how you're feeling and getting into that sensation of letting your eyes completely relax relax your jaw relax your shoulders maybe sigh it out all that stress doesn't matter right now nothing to do nothing to see stay there for a few more deep breaths and it's always nice like sometimes I like to sigh it out on the exhale and also thinking on the inhale every time you inhale there's fresh energy coming up all the way from the ground through your legs all the way up to your the top of your head your eyes that fresh oxygen and then with every exhale you release everything that doesn't serve you that's in your way yeah you just want to release all that and let your eyes so it's you're letting your eyes relax but it's really about letting your mind relax and then the body follows I see why you have to rest your elbows they get a little tight yeah yeah and it should be when you really relax the inner visual field would be really black and when you have like gray patches or kind of that snow all tv kind of you know whatever stuff going on that's a sign of of stress kind of your neurons firing in the brain because you can't really see anything so if it's not black it's it's a nervous system like an overdrive and you can do this you know you can do this for 10 deep breaths I I like to do it a little longer I do it in my morning meditation when I meditate I have my elbows kind of on the support and I just do it for the whole time of my meditation so the way to come out is to to move your hands away keep your eyes closed because then you will notice the light even just taking the hands away it's suddenly a lot brighter and then you take your time like don't rush this and when you're ready to look again you just do five quick butterfly blings like blink blink blink blink blink your eyes and then five gentle squeezes you just gently squeeze your eyes a little together okay do a little squeeze squeeze squeeze squeeze yeah and you do they feel more lubricated and rested or how do you feel good uh definitely it took me down a few notches yeah yeah no I really actually nice I had a lot of a lot of coffee this morning so this is good right it was like super short right I mean I always say I used to smoke back in the day you know in Germany everybody smoked and as a smoker you always always find time you know those three four minutes the smoke is cigarette you might as well take those you know two three minutes to just give your eyes a little break nice so this is also good for a little bit of anatomy so the rod cells are the cells the retina that produce night vision and peripheral vision like movement and giving them that darkness replenishes that that visual purple it's called that rhodopsin so this is really good for night vision to give your eyes that kind of complete darkness and then for the other cells that give you clarity and color vision the cone cells I like to do sunning so right now we're inside right it's hard to demonstrate but sunning is basically so imagine there's a big sun right in front of me and you just have your eyes closed and you turn your head side to side so you know you have more light and now this eye is in the shadow and then I like to inhale center and exhale to the side so just for people who are listening and not seeing so her eyes are closed we are in the sun all of us be in the sun doing this and obviously this is a great time to be doing it and she breathes in while facing forward and then very gently and almost in a meditative state turns to the right still with the eyes closed then gently brings the face forward and breathes in and turns to the left exhaling and so it's basically sort of like a you know what waters your lawn a sprinkler so you're to the middle right middle left but it's very trans like with your eyes closed so the eyes so claudia is it that the lids are absorbing the sunlight right you get you get a lot of sunlight through the eyelids and this is the beginner level I end up doing it where you open the eyes on the side but a lot of people so a lot of people that have vision problems are very light sensitive and light sensitivity is actually connected you have to reduce your light sensitivity to reduce your what's called the refractive error in your case you're far-sighted or near-sighted or have a stigmatism and sounding is just a really gentle way and it stimulates those cone cells right it's like a vitamin kind of like short for those cone cells sunlight is really beneficial for the eyes I actually stopped wearing sunglasses 11 years ago I always say there's exceptions for this but the eyes actually need sunlight it has the beautiful full spectrum we get vitamin D from the sun you know of course common sense right if you're like fair skin like me I'm not going to be in the sun for like you know a whole day without protection but what I'm saying is in normal circumstances if you don't have a specific eye disease you don't have you know your pupils can you know when you have certain drugs and your pupils are dilated you obviously need sunglasses but I always say the pupils are built in sunglasses right when it's bright they get very small when it's dark they open up and I used to wear sunglasses religiously even on overcast days here in Los Angeles and I was so light sensitive at night though headlights from cars were like you know I was really struggling with those lights and then because my pupils would take so long to open and close because I wore sunglasses all like they're never practiced so you know they're never practices opening and closing really and so that's what the boundaries though because I understand that there's also a place where it is too much sunlight if we are not to wear sunglasses so because I want to protect people too so they don't just suddenly start going out in the sun and looking right I'm healing you know we don't want something to go south in the other way what are the boundaries around our our eyes being in the natural sunlight how much how little how do we work within that so I I always say extreme conditions right if you're like skiing it's white it's bright sunlight any extreme conditions any time you take certain drugs that again limit your pupil reaction if you have cataracts macular degeneration any of those you want to be careful I usually wear hats like a lot of times just doing it I know your listeners cannot see that but if you have a baseball cap a lot of times it's the angle of the sun more than anything but basically behind sunglasses your pupils open up so you actually get more light in because it's dark it kind of tricks the brain so I use common sense right if you're in extreme conditions if you're on the ocean if you're at the beach if you're in any super bright conditions wear sunglasses but if you're in the city if you're like you know normal day maybe wearing a cap or a hat and just notice the difference my eyes have improved so much from just reducing my light sensitivity that was one of the biggest challenges for me to to have to be so light sensitive so that's what I would use is common sense and I don't you know who like literally who of us spends all day outside I you know most of us or somebody who's a post person or a gardener right or there would be people yeah yeah they would wear a cap I would always wear a cap if you're a dog walker and you want to be part of the book too that would be fun I keep thinking about the book um so okay I just want to recap before we move forward because these are really good and before I recap do you suggest we do these every day is this an everyday thing or twice a week or how often so when you begin like for me it's maintenance right because I don't have one glasses 19 years for me it's maintenance I do my palming and my sunning usually during my morning meditation and otherwise I'm using my eyes well all day long but if you're beginning this journey right it's doing baby steps is important but also tuning in and noticing what actually gives me more relaxation is sunning and palming great for me so I recommend doing this every day for sure I usually like to do it in the morning some palming maybe after lunch you eat your lunch you do some sunning and then a little bit of palming just little breaks in between but everybody is different some people benefit way more from like a you know 20 minute palming session once a day and other people benefit more from like what you just did you know the really short ones but maybe three or five sprinkling into the day ideally before you feel strained before you get that blur right ideally you do it preventatively but definitely do it when you feel strained when you feel stressed take it like literally 10 deep breaths so that's what I would do and then the sunlight yeah if you live anywhere with sunlight then I usually when I lived in Germany as an example and the sun didn't come out that much the second the sun came out I would run outside or go to the window and do some sunning because it was might have been just two minutes before the sun went away again so here in southern california we have the luxury all day right yes interesting okay so let's read so I'm trying to put your information I have a lot more tips though yeah I have a lot more information here just so you know I know you can't see because you're the guest but I want people to have this and sadly it is changing I'm just trying to put your information very nicely so people have your website and your name and all of that should they want to work with you and better than spending my own glasses I don't know about you but besides seeing the doctor the eye doctor and all the tests but you know look this is the USA if we were in Asia for example I know what the glasses cost I've had Chinese friends who have come back with some of the coolest glasses on the planet and they're like I paid 30 bucks like what and here really nice glasses I mean you may say you were on the 200s that's not my taste for me it starts at 400 and up and it's ridiculous if you have glasses everywhere so I think the cost of working with Claudia pays off it's an ROI if you will going forward so Claudia just to recap you talked about first taking the palms putting them gently over the eyes we're not pressing we are just very gently putting them over we're taking deep breaths in and out we can sigh them out if we want but we keep them there in a meditative state calming state releasing stress and we can do it for 10 minutes you do it sometimes for 20 but if 10 minutes is beautiful the other piece you said is that we can use the sun to heal it's actually our friend be very careful if you're in extreme condition like skiing beaches you know and it's pretty obvious anything outdoor or if you work outdoors you want to take care in general you wear a hat or a baseball cap to protect your eyes but to sun them you close them and you had a very gentle head turning so from front where you breathe in to the right out front where you breathe in left out and back and forth very gently and then there are times when you open your eyes allow the sun to actually come into the eyeball itself did I miss it yeah that's the so the sunning is like turning head side to side if you know it's a really great way to stretch your neck also so tension and head neck and shoulders is another issue that needs to be resolved with massage or I use little therapy massage balls but yeah any tension in your neck your neck is kind of the bottleneck to the brain right where the oxygen flows so you want to release any tension in the upper back and turning your head side to side it's just a nice easy stretch right for that neck but you can also do like head circles or move your head up and down like you know with sunning I like the side to side but you can move your head in any way that feels really nice as a nice little stretch for your you know neck and yeah so you but basically move your head around side to side is what I usually do it's my favorite but you can also do chin to chest and then kind of you know turn your head up and keep your eyes closed especially if you're beginning this and if it's the middle of the day and the sun is really bright you want to have your eyes closed yeah okay what is the next piece so the next piece this is actually one of the super most important things when I first heard this I was I was I didn't believe it so the anatomy of the eye you've probably all seen these diagrams of the eyes from the side where the light kind of gets bundled and then it falls onto the retina in that little spot that little like you know anyway the so the retina has one spot where you have perfect clear vision that's the phobia inside the macula that's it's the size of a pinhead it's tiny tiny spot where we have perfect clear vision and the further away you get from that spot the blurrier it is so on the outer periphery everybody knows that right on the outer periphery if you like side basically have your hands you know next to your ears on the side you know you don't really see much you see some movement but you can't really see any detail and the further you come to the middle the better it gets but you're actually area of clarity if you're like I think when you're on Facebook you see the live the L in the live or look at any letter or the f on Facebook I don't know what you guys see in front of you right now but look at a word and look at the first letter and notice how that letter is way sharper than even the letter next to that and the further away the blurrier it is so this is anatomy based central vision is very very small area and another way to test this if you guys don't get it let me show you another way hold up two thumbs maybe two feet away or something like that right like you know maybe a foot or something away from each other and then look turn your head always turn your head to what you're looking at look at your left thumb and now notice how you see that thumb a lot better than the other one right the right one is kind of in your periphery but it's blurry you don't see it clearly correct that is correct and then you and then you move your attention to the right one and you notice now you see the right one clearly and the left one is kind of in your periphery but you can't see it clearly and then you move your thumbs closer and closer together right eventually they touch but continue to practice this looking at one noticing you see that one better than the other and eventually they will be touching so they will be next to the each other and now can you still follow me Debbie oh yes I'm with you I'm so okay so now look at that close yeah now look at the left one you still see that better than the right one right when you look at one you see that clearer than the other one yes with anything you focus on that's what where you're right and then just do one thumb and look at the outer left side of that thumb and see how that is clearer than the right so the point I'm making here is that if you try to stare or try to look at your smartphone and try to see the whole screen clearly at once that's anatomically impossible and that's why I like small print like my phone is set to the smallest standard setting woman because smaller the text the more you're moving you the more you have to move your eyes and your head you know what I mean the bigger the text the more you can try to stare and see that whole world clear at once that would be true for books that would be true for a kindle that would be true for an ipad that would be true for your computer and how you set it up wow I never thought exactly so okay I understand this premise I had to take it away from my screen because I noticed the light from emitted from the screen was making a difference so I took my thumbs off to the side focus on the left then I folk turn my head not just my eyes focus on the right turn my head so I do that slowly these are coming in and then at some point I'm going to just speed this up they come together and then I can take away one thumb and just focus on one thumb on the outermost left portion and then the outermost right portion yep I totally get this I mean this is fact I'm seeing it and so you're saying then to translate this to the next step in the real world is instead of me setting everything which is correct everything to the biggest of the boldest so there's ease in seeing where I'm trying to ingest if you will everything all at once you're saying it's anatomically impossible may keep it small although I would think there has to be gradation somebody like me if I go immediately to small I it's a wash I won't see a thing right yeah definitely Debbie so the thing is I when we when I start with my students I always say put yourself in the optimal condition right so I'd rather have you not wear glasses or weaker glasses and have the text a little bigger in the light a little brighter so you're starting with optimal conditions once you understand the principle of what you know what's originally called central fixation or central clarity once you understand that the two thumbs is just the way to get the idea right that's not an actual technique that you're practicing that's really just a kind of aha I got this idea and then you just basically you don't have to put your text small initially but you be aware of that premise that you know think of when you're reading think of as if you're underlining the text with a marker and your attention is on the tip of the marker so you know as you're moving your attention underlining the text so that's maybe a way you know kids when kids start reading they always use a finger as a pointer and that finger really helps you to to keep your attention on the spot that you're looking at and then you're moving you're you're not like bam bam bam bam like staccato you're smoothly moving along right your your brain is quick at getting we don't have to read every letter right we can kind of but be aware that you can only see a small portion very clearly at once that's really the the big thing that you anywhere on your hike look at a leaf on a tree notice how you see that leaf better than all the other leaves on the tree right so you can practice this this is what i mean with good habits that i automatically employ all day long i don't practice this anymore if that makes sense all i know is you're not using glasses you win you know a lot more than i do and i'll follow your lead here okay so that's beautiful we have to remember to let it's not just the eyes moving let the eyes move go to a lesser reader if you can and um i can do that i can do all of this this is all really doable so cool i'm excited what is next my dear so so i mentioned at the beginning but i want to iterate reiterate reiterate so blinking so my friend sal who just passed away he blanked every every second and he had perfect vision i saw his phone nothing was enlarged tell like you know he died like i saw him for his birthday the day after the new media summit on march 12th right i saw him for his birthday so he blinks a lot and it only takes 10 seconds of not blinking for your tear film to thin and the only supply that the only nutrients the cornea gets is from the tear film so that's why blinking frequently is super important and most of us when we look at screens we forget we stare at the screen we forget to blink so a way to practice this to kind of teach your body and your brain to how good this feels is to do 30 seconds of butterfly blinking so it's like you know blink blink blink blink for 30 seconds and you know really quick and you might find that like it's really difficult initially that you feel like okay my eyelids feel like they're made out of lead so quick quick quick quick you know do it for 30 seconds long time we don't have to do it the whole 30 seconds right now but my point is you teach your body something by doing it right you're repeating it and then afterwards you find that you want to blink more it just feels good does this mean and blinking prevents staring go ahead sorry yeah i'm curious if um it's good to then to use eye drops or no you just recommend use your own the water the tears the saline from your own eyes so eye drops again there's always exceptions but i don't recommend them and i work with many students who had lasik and the common side effect of lasik is extreme dry eyes and students that had prescription eye drops and we dry three times a day very expensive drops and then they did a lot of the blinking practice the palming you know and maybe sometimes just closing your eyes and all of them were able to completely we they stopped doing these eye drops because the more eye drops you use the less tears you produce right so that it's like your body then you put this artificial thing in right so this is why it's really for anybody that wants to have success it's it's being aware of your habits you know and changing them so there's a slow way of going back from bad habits to good habits and noticing when your eyes are dry maybe i should take a few minutes to palm my eyes right or i do the 30 seconds part of my blinking yeah yeah especially being in southern california where this is a desert and i remember many years ago when i first started wearing contacts it was a problem because i would put them in and these things got so dry on top of a dry eye and it's not like being back east in the humidity where i grew up right totally different animal or some of the more beautiful tropical places in the world so i was constantly putting eye drops in and i know they've come really far in technology but uh yeah this is prevalent and makes sense okay so we can do this this is really about butterflying your eyes allowing your got your eyes to rewet remoisturize um it's feeding the eyes what is the next piece so um before i come to the next piece for dry eyes also really important omega threes you guys might have heard this we all usually eat too much omega six so omega threes are you know and chia seeds flax seeds and walnuts so omega threes are really important too to support your eyes with um you know that tear foam and then the next thing is and you know you might have heard this but basically our eyes are not meant to be locked into one distance all day long it's like sitting cross-legged for eight hours you know what you do when you start the screen without ever moving your attention into different distances so looking up i have my computer facing my backyard i just need to move my eyes one inch up and i look into the distance so keeping your eyes or your attention moving right moving around getting up looking looking into the distance it's just not right it makes total sense right also that peripheral vision one thing for computers i recommend never have your screen on in a dark room because we already have this kind of tunnel vision tendency especially when you wear glasses um but if you have a brightly lit room or the same brightness in the screen you're aware of your periphery right you're aware of there's this room and there's space and it's good vision it's both central clarity and that peripheral field and one way to improve that is to do a little practice with um to get that attention is to practice something where you use two fingers and you can use a third object that's just kind of a nice way to call it lens flexor or where you just kind of stretch your eyes so um you have one finger kind of close to your to your face one a little further away and you can let's just do with two fingers for now so one is pretty close you know maybe you know what is it like it doesn't really matter the exact distance but one is closer to your nose one is further away you're holding them in line with your nose now look at the finger in front the closer one how many fingers do you see in the back oh two i mean good good well well done and now you look at the finger in the back and how many do you see in the front one maybe move your fingers around a little bit maybe move that front finger a little bit closer or further away or the one just move it around a little bit uh well yeah it's weird it's it's sort of like one vibrating back and forth between two if that even makes sense so the reason we see so this is um this is basically you're practicing a depth perception and you can do it let's say we have a third object pretend there's a third object in the distance or maybe you have something you can look at i have a tree there so when you you know so you do this you look at the first finger you notice there's two fingers of the second finger and then two of whatever other object in the distance let's say there's a tree then you look at the middle finger you notice there's two in the front and then two trees in the distance and then you look at the tree you see four fingers so the reason this happens i just want to explain this two eyes we have two eyes in different positions in the head both eyes see a different thing when we combine wherever we focus we see one off but wherever we don't look we see double right but our brain usually you know we shut that off right we don't we don't pay attention to that right we we kind of focus on the one thing but this is a great way to get your eyes you know from the distance when they're relaxed to the near point so when you're looking near your eyes after cross when you look in the distance they go parallel you know your lens gets thick when you look close the lens relaxes when you look in the distance so this is kind of a little bit of a nice like a like biceps you know how you stretch your biceps and how you tighten your strength in it so it's kind of a nice little workout for your eyes yeah the first time you gave an exercise or actually felt something um this is the first time where it actually um i can't say i was straining but i do feel like i'm using something that probably hasn't been used in a long time like i could literally feel in my eye something was being activated and was going i'm a little uncomfortable i'm not used to doing this and um and it also strangely felt good at the same time to be using my eyes in a way where they felt really really lazy uh and i like i like this one now this one we're not moving our head we're only moving our eyes is that correct right yeah i mean you don't want to be stiff but you know it's definitely moving your attention from one focal point to the next and noticing wherever you don't look like the finger or the tree whatever the you don't look you always see double and that's if you don't see double you have some challenges with depth perception so this is something that a lot of people struggle with especially those that have mono vision which is you know something where they correct one eye for near one for far because you want your eyes to work together all the time really ideally right so um yeah oh those things they keep telling us are so good for us okay and i before we go this is definitely the most sorry this is the most exercise kind of you know as i said there is some eye exercises that i use definitely you know this is one of them there's there's a whole lot but the majority of the the techniques i'm teaching are just techniques to instill good habits like that central clarity right so there's a lot of movement activities that i'm teaching they're really hard to demonstrate when you can't see it so but once you get that idea that only a small point is perfectly clear and you cannot see more than one point perfectly clear you have to move your attention to the next point right once you get that you can kind of practice that all day long with whatever you're looking at really yeah that's great okay and i'm going to ask you just to reiterate because i was typing out these words you used and you said it's very good people do a lot of omega six but you recommend that they bump up the omega threes they're very important and the two i recall you saying were chia seeds and walnuts what was the rest of that chia seed chia seeds flax flax and hemp seeds have high omega three and if you eat uh fish salmon also has high omega three so ideally you want a one to one balance ideally you want omega threes and six and a one to one ratio and i did a tracking for three days and it wasn't easy like it wasn't easy to kind of get that and so you know for most people it would be good to use a supplement maybe to take some additional omega threes as a supplement that's what i also do i supplement with omega threes as well so that's a good strategy in terms of you do you want a nutrition tip also love it of course always okay so when you buy you know when you buy those i vitamins i'm always a big proponent of getting things from whole foods or whole plants so there's two nutrients that the macular you remember the phobia inside the macula is what we have the sharpest vision the color vision you might have heard of macular degeneration it's a disease that you know they call it age-related macular degeneration but it's i hate that or because it's not really age-related it's lifestyle related if you do too much crap so to speak over the decades at some point you know that yes there's consequences but basically um so the macular has it's covered with um two yellow plant pigments called lutein and cxanthin i can put that in the zoom chat so you can put it in the um let me put that in the zoom chat and you get those lutein right yeah that's lutein and then cxanthin is z-e-a z-e-x and then x i'm typing i just typed in the chat in the zoom chat so maybe if you just want to copy and paste that back and forth here basically those are the two ingredients and most i vitamins and you can find those if you eat eggs and egg yolks and then mostly you know what we hear all the time dark leafy greens kale spinach kale is the highest spinach um colored greens any of those dark leafy greens have a high amount of those um so that's why i eat them on every basically at every meal i have some kind of greens could be spring mix or romaine or even broccoli you know so getting those those nutrients protect your macula and if you don't eat enough of those things then i also recommend supplementing to keep your area of sharpest vision and really perfect health and those two plant pigments by the way if you're healthy macula and you eat those we have to get those from food or from supplements we can't produce them you know by ourselves um they absorb about 60 of the blue light and sunlight but if you're macula is depleted because you don't get these nutrients right then the blue light has a bad effect on your eyes right if you if you don't if you don't eat healthy that's why nutrition is so important too for eye health especially as we get older right yeah so i i know we have to wind this up i wanted to ask you you just reminded me of something i think is very important um there's something that is fairly recent at least in my world that people now are getting glasses with a blue lens or blue blocking uh for their computers can you address that myth valid if it's valid what does it actually do and why okay great question and there's actually a new company that i i just ordered some glasses from them they have way with their block way more blue light than any other glasses and they're not yellow so most of those tints they put on glasses are not producing that much value so the blue so there's two different things so computers have a huge amount of blue light they emit a very high rate of blue light some green and basically no red tones so what i recommend for everybody to do is either i am i'm on a mac so i don't know pcs that well but on a mac i there's something called night shift mode and you can and on your iphone and your all your mac apple devices and you can make the screen more yellow so i have mine to the most yellow setting because that counteracts some of that blue light from computers there's also apps there's an app that is really beautiful it's not free though it's called it's called iris like the iris in the eye and then there's one called flux which is f l u x so those are two apps that have more settings than just night shift mode right and as a little tip for those listening so night shift mode on the computer it doesn't let you turn it on 24 seven but i'm cheating the system on my iphone too i set it from 4am to 3 59am right so there's one minute in the middle of the night whether so that way i have it on all day um i prefer that over like you know i have some blue blocking glasses but i don't like to have those things on my face to be honest i don't really like to wear those glasses the sunlight has a full spectrum so the sunlight that's why i like sunlight because it gives you like the really healthy range of color spectrum right versus the computers have this high rate of blue that's why the blue blocking i think on computers is super important especially if you spend a lot of time every day on screens and you mentioned that there is a most companies just coat the glass and it doesn't make a difference but that you found one you feel actually helps the eyes is it okay if you say who they are yeah definitely so um i don't never know how to pronounce it it's like e z it's like e z e and then k i l easy key it's like a it's like a name i don't know how to pronounce that yeah like as in the back is it yeah let me let me google the website i haven't gotten mine yet it's a startup it's a brand new company they they just uh they're from canada um but they could like they found me and contacted me so i'm always interested in these products and they also block emf so i'm i'm really excited about this so let me let me give you the website um yeah here i put it in the chat so again i haven't tested them yet but i think that's a really promising product um that you can i'm gonna get mine very soon so yeah nice you'll have to be the uh you have to have an affiliate so we can send business your way that's yeah they don't have that set up yet well they better girl i know and again i'm not i'm just saying like i haven't tested them myself but they also you know relieving you they're supposed to relieve your eye strain and you know giving you the emf blocking in the in the arms of the the you know the glasses you know those side are they called arms or legs i never know those little the things that you have over the ears that hold your glasses over the ears arms i what is that side i don't know i mean so yeah um but yeah i i so i i want to this is the thing there's new stuff coming out all the time but don't be afraid of the blue light and sunlight unless you have one of those um eye diseases like macular degeneration or you know you have some kind of pupil problems but like we talked about put a hat on you know you're not outside all day long but usually put a hat on our cap um and then it's okay if you have if you are healthy to be outside but for the computers definitely put that you know use an app or put that yellow tint on so that you protect your eyes from that extreme amount of blue light coming from screens this is awesome and i'm going to post here your giveaway gift which is naturallyclearvision.com slash masterclass 2020 where you're giving away all this even more information than yeah i'm teaching i did one last night i'm teaching three more it's a free class i'm teaching um on like a webinar um it's about an hour long and it's about the three biggest mistakes that people make that keep them chain to glasses and contacts and um doing that webinar at the end i'm also offering enrollment in my new course so naturally clear vision is a course and i'm teaching it's a brand new one i'm teaching it live i'm super i'm super excited about this course so but i'm teaching it's about an hour of really great content you know and then anybody that is fields and client to do something or take action it's i can say it out here right now it's like 497 and i'm i'm giving so many bonuses it's incredible to you this is the time it's the time we're all showing up i'm doing the same with all my book courses serving at a level um well i've always served at a very high level but let's say i'm bringing in we're asking for a lot less than i ever had in the past but it is a way for us all i think to be very compassionate with one another for what's going on and people really really see this time like where are you going to be in six months you could either say wow that was like a really intense time man or you could say i created i've got perfect eyesight i wrote a chapter in a dog anthology yeah i worked with claudia because she's a healer i work with debbie because now she helped me write my book i mean this could be profound and i think we are all those of us who are really showing up to serve right now are saying come in let me help you i can help you i can do it in a way that you can breathe through this financially and otherwise and we will all be stepping into our greatness so i think it's beautiful that you're doing that giving away the one-hour content you know driving people to your free gifts and system and then also offering them you know this 497 course that is life changing like i said me that would be a pair glasses so what does that cost me going forward ROI right there's a lot of glasses so it would be a lot more than 497 i think it's really really worth it and i don't know if that's a write-off to be honest with you because you're dealing with your eyesight but i think it's worth looking into you might be able to write off this course um if it's for health reasons so uh there's that too so we have to wrap it up but i do want to ask you here at the end claudia anything else that you want to share with people to give them the freedom they really desire right now and to let go of that are in glasses and contacts and actually have the freedom to see yeah i you know my mission and i say that in my webinar is to really empower people to own their own eyesight right and not just rely on what doctors tell you because most people don't even know what the prescription means they look at those numbers and so that's the first thing i teach is reading prescriptions knowing what that means getting reduced glasses like cheap on zenny.com for like 10 bucks right so really like not saying that the eye doctor doesn't give you valuable information but especially optometrists and i don't want to ditch them but optometrists make money by selling glasses and contacts so you know really question like do i need to come in for an annual exam if my eyesight hasn't changed tuning in like knowing like if learning how to measure your own eyesight on an eye chart is super easy really literally stick a chart on the wall and you read it right and knowing what what what is my strength actually how much can i actually see versus just coming from the doctor you know they usually stress you out it's a dark room and you know you usually end up with glasses that are too strong and they feel too strong and then they say oh you get used to that getting used to that you make your vision worse so i'm not saying that that bad people but basically the system is problematic because there's no education most people think it's just normal to go downhill and it's not it's really not normal it's common but it's not normal that's very interesting i have to say that i saw an eye doctor and i got the glasses that they had first of all i can't do the ones that go from one to the other i was in pain waste of a lot of money and then i got another pair of glasses and i went back to the eye doctor and this is quote unquote air quotes a great eye doctor and i said i am uncomfortable like these are actually too powerful and he said yeah but that's where you're headed and i thought that is so strange why would i wear glasses for where i'm headed or you perceive i'm headed or hope i'm headed when in fact i'm right here right now like that's all that there is is right now and i you know they have a lot of platitudes i've noticed because i've seen several eye doctors over time like oh definitely ageism without a doubt you're that age oh it's great now but you know when you reach and fill in the blank the number it is going to get worse they're so sure of themselves and i actually think that puts black worms if you will meaning it puts something in your subconscious that actually helps lead you there oh well i'm getting worse it's my age they said i would and the other thing is that's very interesting about what you shared claudia is my eyesight is 2015 still and i'm still shocked when i go and i read the charts and they say it's 2015 and here's your glasses so i am going to take that right there is my hope there is the disconnect and i'm going to start to use and incorporate this i'm already signed up for your newsletters and in your facebook group and i am so grateful you came on and shared your wisdom today because i think this potentially could help a lot of people make a shift and by the way people if you use her methods please let us know let us know like i stopped using my glasses or i went down from two point whatever to one or wherever you're headed what's going well and you're getting wins let us know if you become a really positive statistic and testimony sounds wonderful debbie yeah and your body was immediately rejecting those progressive glasses right with a different diopters because they're not natural and so most people get used to them and force themselves and you are just like no this doesn't feel right and your distance vision would have been gone downhill really fast when you start wearing them so you you were you did really well saying i don't want those they don't feel good well done yay i was channeling claudia before i knew claudia that's great well thank you thank you thank you for all this divine wisdom and for what you're doing here for all of us and for leading the way by letting go of your glasses 19 years ago it's profound and so let's just give it our websites one more time so people can find you find me and all that we're offering so please go ahead so you can download my free gift 10 habits for healthy happy eyes when you go to my holistic vision dot com that adds 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which is only 197 by the way it's debbie-singer.com slash visible visionaries so i as well am making everything incredibly affordable and reasonable for people in a way i never had before but let me help you to get your story and your message out into the world anyway everybody adore you thanks for joining us today for the show and um i wish i had a great quote to leave us with do you claudia about eyes or health um god no i can't i don't think i can oh yeah i have a great quote um so jacob Lieberman who was an optometrist um you know queered his own nearsightedness long time ago so he said over half the people in the united states were corrective lenses and almost all of them are capable of seeing much more clearly if they were only experiment with changing their ideas about vision thank you my friend you did a great job and i love this