 Thanks for joining us and welcome to Open Infra Live, the Open Infrastructure Foundation's hour-long interactive show sharing production, case studies, open-source demos, industry conversation, and the latest updates from the global open-source community. We're live here on Thursdays at 1,400 UTC, streaming on YouTube, LinkedIn, and Facebook. My name is Helena Speese from the Open Infra Foundation and organizer of the Austin Open Infra user group. Today, I'll be your host. Like I mentioned, we are streaming live, and we'll be saving some time at the end of the episode for some Q&A, so feel free to drop questions in the comments section throughout the show and we will answer as many as we can. Today, we are joined by Alvaro Soto, organizer of Open Infra Days Mexico, Song Siu Cho, organizer of Open Infra and Cloud Native Days Korea, as well as Open Infra in Cloud Native Days Asia, Dr. Abashak Julia, organizer of the Thai Open Infrastructure user group, Dr. Hussin Chodok, organizer of Open Infra Days Turkey. Before we begin, I would like to thank the members of the Open Infra Foundation for their ongoing support of the Open Infra community and foundation. Without their support, this wouldn't be possible. Let's go ahead and get started. Alvaro, over to you. Hey, guys. Thank you for the invitation and help to be here. Talking about our user group, I wanted to show you guys a little bit about what we done with the user group in Mexico. We want to do it with the user group in Chile. About us, we are like four friends that we started, like we are really passionate about open source, and we started like joining together and talking about technologies. At some point, we managed to work together all in the same company, but at the moment, we are like separate at all different countries. So, we are like a set for people, is Guillermo Alvarado, Francisco Raya, Gloria Palma, and I. So, our history is like a little bit fun because this is the first time that we organized the Open InfraDays in Mexico City as a community. Like the first edition of the Open Stack Days was done for a really big company here in Mexico. When we got the invitation to organize this event here in Mexico, it was like a little bit scary for us, but we managed to get through. We had like a wonderful time working with the foundation and with a lot of people that without even having like nothing to do with technology, they managed to help us and create a great event. We managed to have like and to exceed all the expectations that we had with the event. So, it was really fun for us to organize. It was really hard work also, but I believe it was like really fun. We're getting this event in our community and be able to create this. Like we said to a lot of people, it was a community event created by the community. So, it was like a really cool event, but it was free. Like I said, exceeded all the expectations for like vehicle events. So, again, it was really fun for us. Can you please go to the next slide? And these slides are really been fun for me because I started like getting together all the URL from the community and at some point I needed to stop because we have so many URLs. We want to have like to get together like a bunch of people with a lot of technologies. And we try to use a lot of like open source technology doing so. So, we have like for I believe maybe five years ago we started our Slack channel for our community in Mexico City when we again as a community we host the Ops Meetup here in Mexico City. And we started evolving since that. Our Slack channel is like a place to get together across Latin America because we have a bunch of like other people in Chile, Mexico. There is an official, well not that official, but the Seth Foundation is aware of it. We link together like IRC and bring together the IRC to Slack because there's a bunch of people that doesn't want to like use IRC. So, we managed to like to provide these kind of breaches for the community. Everything that we're talking in the Slack that are related to OpenStack get out there to IRC. So, we have like a new world for the community when we start like information the Slack from the OpenInfra Day. Twitter, we use a lot of open source technologies like I said and we have found a lot of companies that want to help a little bit with this kind of like this kind of thing that we are bringing together to the people. So, you can like reach out to us using this URL. Thank you again. Thank you Alvaro, very interesting. I had the pleasure of actually participating in OpenInfra Days Mexico this year and it was a very great event and actually combined with a lot of other communities throughout Latin America so this is great. Thank you for your support. Next, we will have Sungsoo who will talk about the Korea user group and their upcoming OpenInfra and Cloud Native Days. Thank you. Thank you, Elena. Hello, I'm Sungsoo from OpenInfra Korea user group. Today I will introduce OpenInfra and Cloud Native Days Korea and talk about upcoming events of Korea user groups. So, first of all, I will tell you about our user group. The Korea user group created in 2011, February. That is the very year after OpenState was announced to the world. And our group are mainly active at Facebook group because the most of people use Facebook and it is easy to use and access. However, the accessibility is very low for the people who does not use Facebook. So, we are making our own user group website. And then our activities are similar to other user groups. But one special activity is the upstream contribution mentoring program. That is, I will tell you about this later. Next slide, please. Okay, this is the OpenInfra Day Korea's timeline. The first OpenState Day Korea was February 2014. So far, around 100, 1,000 participants have joined in our event each year. But during the COVID-19, the conference was held online. And although the number of attendees was small compared to offline, there are a large number of people attended online. So, this number was counted on the day of the event. And given that it is online, the number of people who watch the session after the event is much higher. Next, please. And finally, the OpenInfra and Cloud Native Day Korea will be held in person event. So, and when talking about OpenState, it is impossible to talk about storage such as SAP and Cloud Native and hardware. So, our conference is hosted by four open source infrastructure communities. The Kubernetes and SAP are familiar to the public, but the open compute project will be unfamiliar. Simply put, it is a project to open source even server or hardware, including factories. And so, our conference will cover the entire open source infrastructure, including the open source hardware. Next, please. This is the first OpenState Day in Korea. Although it was our first conference, it was sponsored by many sponsors and attended over 700 people. Next, please. Yes, this is the 2019 OpenInfra and Cloud Native Days Korea. It was the same month as OpenState Birthday. So, we celebrate the OpenState Birthday together with the conference attendees. Next, please. From 2020, OpenInfra Days Korea moved to the online due to the COVID-19. So, we use the Metaverse platform. It is the gather town. And we gathered here to discuss about OpenInfra and have some lightning talk. So, and this year, we will be able to meet community members face to face again. So, I am very looking forward to it. And there are another upcoming event in Korea user group. The first one is upstream contribution mentoring program. Actually, it is ongoing event. But the open source contribution academy is hosted by the Ministry of Science and ICT in Korea government. That program is aimed at student and office workers who want to contribute to the open source, but doesn't know how to do that. So, our user group join this program as a project mentor and try to contribute to the OpenState SK and Python-OpenState client. This is three month program. And after that, we will hold on on local upstream training party. The second one is year end party with Ubuntu Korea user group. For a long time ago, Ubuntu and OpenState Korea user group are a community of friends. So, we share the each communities activities for the year and talk about our plans for the next year. So, we work in collaboration with other open source communities. Okay, this is our user group event and about open and cloud native days in Korea. Thank you. It's very interesting. I'm really excited to see how engaged the group in Korea is with all the other open source communities around. Thank you. Thank you. And next we have Dr. Julia, who will be talking about the user group in Thailand. Hello, everyone. My name is Abhishek. We are pleased to share our experience here in Thailand about the open source community here. Today, I'd like to talk about our goal for the year 2022 and then what we have done this year and what we're going to do next until the end of the year and how you can contact us. Okay. When we start off, you know, the community, OpenState community at the time, it's about 2017. And we have done a lot in those two years, 18, 19, and then before we got to the COVID and then everything, you know, come to a pause. And we have done those two years a lot in terms of trying to building the community here in Thailand. But again, I'll go just want to let you know that we want to build the lucky community here in Thailand. And the key is we want to reskill Thai workforce to become expert in open source era. There's a good number of open source, you know, area that we need to focus on. And then we want to be a center of knowledge in open source field as well. Okay, next place. So as I mentioned, we have done something for before two years before COVID in terms of building the OpenState community. And then after two years in hibernation. Once we come out, we feel good about it. And I think we want to start what we have left off two years ago. So we opened the first meetup for Thailand. We call it OpenState is blooming. Actually, when what I mean in blooming is that, you know, it has come a long way and want to encourage a lot of people to join us. So we use that kind of a phrase that whole stack is blooming. In that first meetup, I talk about, you know, the past experience that we have involved with, you know, OpenState. And then we also talk about the practice of how to do OpenState in terms of multi-site. And then the last speaker talk about it could be a desk on OpenState. Those are something that we are really happy to share with our audience. Next please. Okay, here's the, you know, atmosphere of what happened. We opened up just want to reunion the old folks that really are fans at the time. So we invite them back on site, first time on site. During COVID we all pretty much have to do everything online. So this is the first on site one and use the place nearby close to, you know, subway, BTS, you know, so that people can join easily here. Okay, so that just to give you the idea. And at the time we also organize, you know, pizza and chicken so that we can probably enjoy. Okay. That's the first meetup. Then at the first meetup, we evaluate, you know, we don't, we can't really cover a lot of, you know, people who really interested in the open source area. And we want to focus on the infrastructure. And we look at the people that will join us. It's still a small number compared to what we would like them. What do you like to have more people to join. So we step, move step back a little bit. And then we look at what we should do next then, if you're going to have the second meetup and continue the same way, we may not be able to cover a lot of people here. And then we thought, okay, maybe we should go the other route, trying to change people when they are still in school, still in college. And that's what we are doing on the second meetup. So we target all the university here in Thailand. We separate into three groups. And then we start off with open source cloud ecosystem. We, we try to tell them, this is a new trend that you may not understand, may not see. Okay. So we start off with that. And then I think it's pretty much a success. Next one, please. And we have more than 200 people attending the event. This is the virtual event. And we have not done virtual event before an interval meetup. And I think we are very successful to get actually 500 people sign up for it. But it's only 200 people attending. But most of them are from university. And we kind of give them what is to be your career path in terms of open source crowd field. Okay, next place. And then before the third meetup, we went to Berlin. We sent a paper, we opened the boot at the Berlin summit. So what we, when we came back, we thought, okay, what we should do. Well, maybe the third meetup, we should cover what happened in Berlin. So we said, okay, let's do it. Open in for some Berlin recap. And again, our target audience to university student. So we, we kind of give them what happening in Berlin and why so many people now still interested in doing this open source crowd. Next place. Okay, here's just the atmosphere to send a paper there and also a boot and then take some few seven year picture with Mark Collier and Jonathan Bryce. Okay, next place. And okay, we're going to have the last one, the last meetup here in Thailand. Mainly in Bangkok, actually. It's a meetup number four, and it still all lies to a virtual event. We haven't come up with the topic yet. But I think we're going to do it in November before the end of the year. And that's that's our plan. So this year we can accomplish four meetups. I think we are doing pretty good in terms of trying to stimulate in the open stack community in Thailand. Last one, please. Okay, here you can join us on Facebook group and actually be established on October 2017. That's a little bit miss type here. Right now we have about 2,600 members. And basically it's really a chair information, both in Thai and I think it's in English as well. Okay, that's it. Back to you, Elena. Thank you, Dr. Julia. It's very interesting to hear about the community in Thailand, especially your work with the universities. If you want to actually read more about the open stack is blooming meetup on super user. There's an article there that Dr. Trillia and some of his colleagues helped put together. And next we have Dr. Hussien, who will be talking about the user group in Turkey. Thank you. Thank you. Hello everyone. My name is Hussien Chotuk and I am very happy to be here. Thanks for having me in this great live episode. I am representing Open Infra user group Turkey today and I am working as a senior cloud architect at WUMSoft in Turkey. I am a PhD degree in computer science and I have been working with OpenStack since 2012, since the Essex and Pozum versions. I am leading the OpenStack and SEP communities in Turkey since 2013 and I am a certified OpenStack administrator since 2016. I got the examination during the Austin Summit and I really love to use SEP and OpenStack in many infrastructures in Turkey. Next slide please. We have a meetup group in Turkey about OpenStack and it's founded in 2014. It has more than 1500 members and we have organized 18 meetups and four different Open Infra days so far. You can see the different communication channels. We have a meetup group on community platform. You can find the past meetup and Open Infra day recordings on our YouTube channel. We have a group on LinkedIn and you can reach us via our website and email address. Next please. We have also a SEP meetup group in Turkey. It's founded in 2017 and it has more than 1000 members now. We have organized 11 meetups so far and likewise OpenStack we have a meetup group on community and we can also share the recordings of meetups on our YouTube channel and we have also a group on LinkedIn and you can reach us via our website and email address. Next please. And as Open Infra user group Turkey our motivation is share our knowledge, experiences and success stories between users of the region and we want to extend the usage of open infrastructures within the region. We want to bring cloud experts together and we want also to contribute to the Open Infra ecosystem and we want also help to find qualified human resources for different companies. Next please. We have organized four different OpenStack or Open Infra days so far. The first one was in 2015 at Shangri-La Bosco's Istanbul Hotel and there were 450 attendees. In 2016 it was at Hilton Istanbul Bumont Hotel and we have about 650 attendees. The next one was at Windom Grand Istanbul Levent Hotel and we have about 700 attendees. And the last one was at 2020 due to the corona situation all over the world. We had to organize it as a virtual event and we had more than 500 attendees. And the next one will be at World of Wonders Convention Center Istanbul at October 11. Next please. Okay, while I was speaking about the details of the event, you can scan the QR code at the right side of the screen to register to our event. It will be on October 11 and it will be at World of Wonders Convention Center. There are important supporters of this event. The National Defense Presidency of National Defense supports this organization. And one of the most important supporters of the event is Ulaka Berleşme, who works about 50 and 60 operations in Turkey. There are several public service providers, e-commerce companies, universities, academic and research infrastructures, public service providers in Turkey who uses OpenStack and they will also join the event. This event will be totally free to our participants so you are all welcome to join our event. Next please. We will have very important speakers all around the world. Thierry Kares from Open Infra Foundation. Jose Castro-Leon from CERN. Dimitri Robotkayov from Stiklub. The name name is Clara. James Stanton and Chris Biro from Rockspace. Muhammed El-Sakhevi from Compute Canada. Riko Lim from Vextos. Manfred from Western Digital. Aleksander from Broadcom. Mert Tokkizoglu from Vargonen Technology and Ramazan Örsöm from Uyumsov. Next please. You can see some photos from our past events. Jonathan has attended several times to our past events. This time Thierry will join. During the last virtual event, Thierry also joined our event. And this time he will also join. Next please. You can also see some scenes from the talks and the forum panels of our last events. Next please. Yes, next please. We will also offer lunch and coffee breaks to our participants without any charge with the help of our sponsors. And so it's totally free to join and you are welcome to join us on October 11th. Next please. These are the scenes from our virtual event. This was at a virtual platform. But we actually prefer to organize our events in person and the next one will be in person on October 11th. I think that's the last. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Dr. Chadwick. Very interesting. I got actually a sneak peek of Thierry's keynote slides yesterday so it looks like it's going to be a good one. Well, I'm back everyone and not only am I today's host but I am actually a brand new organizer of user groups myself. So I am organizing the Austin Open Infra user group and we'll be having our very first meetup just in three weeks from today on October 13th. And it is graciously being hosted by Blizzard Entertainment at their office. We will also be streaming it to YouTube so you can catch the meetup from wherever you are. If you would like to join us in person, there are a few spots left to make sure you register and you can find all those details on our meetup page. We will also have a post meetup pizza hour that is being hosted by Rackspace. The agenda for the meetup includes a talk that will be done by Kendall Nelson from the Open Infra Foundation, as well as hardening security with AMD SEV technologies on OpenStack from AMD and scaling private clubs and Nova cells from Rackspace. So join us at the Blizzard office on YouTube or grab a slice of pizza with Rackspace. This is my first meetup so I am actually going to bring the veterans back and ask them a few questions and maybe get a little advice on what I can do for my meetup. So I would like to welcome everyone back on camera. Okay, cool. Before we start, there was actually one comment in the comment section from Jimmy and I think it was for Song Soo. He was asking, how many people have taken the open source contribution academy course so far? As I know, there are over 30 OpenStack projects involved and each project has 15 to 20 mentees. And the OpenStack project has 15 mentees. So, totally, there are over 300 people are doing this program and learn how to contribute to the open source. Wow, that's very cool. Actually, it kind of goes into one of my other questions. I know yourself and Dr. Julia, you've also partnered with universities with your open source cloud ecosystem meetup. I'd like to know a little bit like how you guys got started with that. Dr. Julia, do you want to say? Oh, here we go. Okay. You know, like I mentioned earlier, you know, actually, when we do the OpenStack community at the time, we always have online face-to-face, but we forgot about it. Wait a minute, we can do virtual, right? We might as well, we should change our direction a little bit. So, and then also, like I said, you know, when you want to promote to the, you want to promote to the users that kind of need to do the OpenStack, how to convince them to join. I know there's so many areas in the IT industry, but how are we going to get them to interest in what we are doing in this community? How can it start with the thinking itself? When you're thinking start, then you start contacting all of your university, and then that's how it gets started. So, that's the way it is. Very interesting. And, Sonsu, what universities in Korea are you working with? I'm working at the Gwangbun University in Korea. Very interesting. Another question I have also for you, Sonsu, and as well for you, Alvaro, you are managing working with many open source communities. I'd like to hear a little bit more about that. Yes. The OpenStack Korea user group collaborating with other open source communities, such as the Open to Korea user group and CEP and Kubernetes and the other communities. We made our own workspace to talk to the organizers of that community. So, through this channel, we help each other. If someone did anything for their user group event, and if we promote the event to their user group. So, we collaborate and talk to each other with our own select channels. Yeah, and for us, it's pretty much the same. Between the four organizers, every one of us have a special project. So, I started like a big fan of CEP. We have of their organizers that they were in the main project that built the first open. It's like the public cloud based on OpenStack here in Latin America. They work on that project. So, Gloria is like the community manager for the Docker friends and Kubernetes here in Mexico. Every time that we have a technology that we want to talk about, we try to use the other communities to ramp up that talk. And everyone that wants to give a special talk, or if we have people that they want to talk on any kind of technologies, we can put it in the correct user group for the people to reach more attendees from the same topic. And like I said, we use the other user group to ramp up the talk. We try to, like I said, we use that Slack and for us, it's like the main source to talk with the community because it's open. If Slack is going to like people from Slack, it's going to see this one. They're not going to like it, but we don't pay for it. The URL that I put it in the slide, we managed to get a URL that you can use that to invite you to join to Slack. So, we have a bunch of people in there. So, every time that any company wants to give a talk here in Mexico or in Chile or whatever, we try to use the same Slack to reach out to other people across Latin America. So, we try to use the other user groups in that way. Very interesting. We also have one more question that just came up in the comment section from LinkedIn. Is there anything maintainers of OpenStack software, docs, et cetera, can help enable you all to succeed more in these kinds of meetups? Perhaps Dr. Treduc, do you have a comment on that question? I think, personally, one of the things that this can easily plug into is all our user groups are always looking for more speakers. There are always opportunities to speak all across the globe. And one of the ways we can actually help you plug into speaking opportunities is if you email us at community at openimper.dev, we can connect you with a user group in your area. I know does anyone else have comments or ideas? Yeah, I would like to say something about it because, like I said, this was this open info that we managed to get here in Mexico City. It was like the first one hosted by the community. So, when I was working in the company that was hosting like OpenStack days and whatever, it was a really easy for us to get speakers because we use the home page of OpenStack to start looking for people. And we have like a directory of a bunch of developers or architects or whatever. But I believe that that list right now is not up to date. So, it's like when I wanted to invite people, it was like first for the people that I know of. And then I reach out to you and like Allison, I start like asking for more like speakers, but it would be a good idea to start like get that list up to date. And it will be easy for like community managers to reach out more like, like I said, developers, architects, whatever. Yeah, it's actually an active project. The foundation is working on is that list. So, you'll see updates to that very soon. I also want to contribute to this question. As you mentioned, the most challenging part of organizing a meetup is finding a speaker. But if Open Infra or OpenStack maintainers can organize sessions about how to be a member of Open Infra Foundation or how to be get listed on OpenStack marketplace on the website, it will be good for our community who wants to get listed on the OpenStack marketplace. Any other comments on the question? I have a few more questions you can run through quickly. Okay, cool. One of my other questions to wrap it up is since this is my very first meetup, I would love to get some advice from y'all on like anything that you've had in the past that maybe didn't work or worked very well for your meetups or Open Infra days. I'd love to hear about that. I can mention something about it. I believe the first and really great idea that you had with the Georgia group is, I don't know, people like us that really enjoys talking about Open Source projects were really like dogs that ended up with beer and pizza. So, that is a really good idea at first. And I believe the main one because there is a bunch of people that sometimes don't really know about the projects and they are like, oh yeah, let's just, I don't know, let's just go to this place and hear about technologies and free pizza and free beer is really a good idea all the time. Yeah, that's great to hear. One of the things I've noticed, at least from Open Infra Live, is that the more technical the talk, the better engagement we get, do you think that when the talks at meetups are more technical they get engagement or are the talks that are more like one-on-one kind of introductory talks, do those get better engagement? For me, I'm sorry if I jump in on all the questions. Meetups, in my experience, when we started giving meetups like Open Start, Chef, Docker, and Kubernetes, if you are going to have just one talk, it's not a good idea to do it like heavily technical because they are like a safe space to start learning about new technologies and it's not as good like just learning new technologies with really technical topics. One thing that we started doing to not try to bore people about it, we had like two questions, two sessions, like one it would be like in some way one-on-one about the technology and the other one it would be like really technical. So in that way we have like interesting topics to talk to all kind of people, people that want to learn a little bit more and people that already know about the technology but wants to learn like really deep on some specific technology. Makes sense. So have a little bit of both is the best. Elena, let me answer your first question before that. So you know I have experience doing this two years before COVID and then now this year we start working on this again. For my experience really when you work with the people that they don't really know much about OpenStack, maybe some do but they may touch it on just some surface. But remember OpenStack and CEP is very complicated, very complex software and in order to get those people to come and join, I mean you can throw them some kind of idea of what this is about but to get people to really join you to come to the meetup, you're going to spread around to cover the base as big as you can because what you need are the people who really have passion. The thing that I found out about this area is that we need to get the people who have passion. Without passion it's hard to get them involved deeply. So this is something that I learned from it. And to answer your second question about the technical, I think technical is always good no matter what depending on the stage of your meetup. If you just begin the meetup, the stage should be like kind of give them what it can be done with this why it's so useful for the community, why it's useful for the country and then you move up to the next level. I think one-on-one is always possible. You can contact the people when we have meetup, they can contact anyone on the list, you can talk to them directly. But I think to begin with just basics and then let's get technical later on down the road. Just my view. That's great advice especially the thing about finding passionate users and operators. I mean it's huge without you guys who are so passionate about the project we wouldn't even have the user group so thank you. I know everyone here they are so passionate about this. You got to admit that no one would come this far and still sit here and talk about it. Thank you guys. I know you're very passionate about this thing. Really. I love it. Does anyone else have any comments on the question? Yes. Go on please. In my experience, this is what I say to the first-time organizing event who want to organize the event. It is always important to start small and simple. Maybe you maybe want to grant the event a lot of talks and attendees and food or something else. Yes. But it is important to get experience while serving various situations that occurs while running an event. So if it is large, it won't be respond appropriately. So small and simple is very important for the first time. You can control the situation in the case. So I always tell people preparing for their first meet-up to start with group of 20 or 30s. That is very, very small and you can control the situation. That's great to hear because actually my meet-up is looking right now to be around 15 people or so. So a lot of them are on the right track with that one. Thank you. Dr. Chadek, what was it you wanted to say? If you want to increase the number of participants to your meet-up, I think it's very important to choose a central location because it really impacts the number of attendees. Participants should access the location easily, I think, to join the meet-up. In terms of organizing the meet-up, we prefer to choose more technical sessions actually. And we prefer to organize the events in person rather than virtual. Making connections is very important for sharing information later. And you can interact with these connections later. And we also organize QA sessions only with free topics. Participants can ask anything they want about OpenStack or SEP during the session. We organize a QA session and they can ask anything about OpenStack or SEP. Maybe you can consider such a session. Yeah, I love that. The central location thing is huge, especially I was thinking about it with in Austin. I mean, most central, you can get in Austin's downtown, but we have pretty sparse parking then downtown. So a little bit of a downtown where we have bigger parking lots, I think, is where our key spot is. Well, thank you, everyone, for sharing with us. And I wanted to say a thank you for being here and thank you for our passionate organizers. Because without you, we wouldn't have user groups and we wouldn't have such great community engagement. So thank you for both of those things today. Thanks for having us. Thank you, Elena. Awesome. Well, I have a couple slides I wanted to run through to wrap up things real quick. As you have heard from our amazing user group organizers today, we have not only these few representing but our global footprint is much bigger. So there are user groups all over the world you can get involved in from North Carolina to Columbia to the Netherlands, Korea, China and everything in between. So if you are looking for a user group in your area, you can go to meetup.com slash pro slash open info dev to find more information. And as mentioned, we are always looking for speakers for user groups and open info days. So good way is if you update your speakers bureau profile, as well as you can reach out to us at community at open info dev if you're interested in speaking opportunities. You heard a bit today about the open info days turkey coming up in October as well as open info in cloud native days Korea coming up in November. There are also a few other community events coming up. We have the Commonwealth computational summit in October that is being hosted by the University of Kentucky and will include multiple open stack related sessions. And in November we have Kubernetes community days and open info days Indonesia at the end of November and registration for that is currently open. On in December, the open infra cloud native magma and hyper ledger community are getting together in India registration and the CFP for that will be opening up very soon. Lastly, or not quite last one more after this. Well, next we have PTG, which will be October 17 through 21. And this is a great way if you are interested in getting involved with the technical community. You can find a full list of teams that will be involved in this event, as well as registration information at open info dev slash PTG. Next, the open info summit we are headed to the land of maple syrup in June, which by the way, a maple syrup and pancake breakfast mentoring speed session is something you can actually sponsor. And we have registration and sponsorship opportunities visa information as well as travel support program is all live now on open info dev slash summit. The CFP for that will be opening up November 15 so stay tuned for that. And we hope to see you in Canada. Lastly, we have next week on open info live large scale ops deep dive with Schwartz group. So join us next week on Thursday for the next episode of open info live at 1400 utc. And as always, if you have an idea for next episode of open info live, you can submit those ideas that open info dot live, and we hope to see you on a future show. Thank you everyone for joining us today and thank you to our amazing open info organizers. Thank you everyone. Thank you. Thank you.