 Well, as much as we're going to get this morning. Hi everybody. And Yeska first got in touch with me about three or four months ago to tell me about some really cool design ideas she had for helping to promote Debbie and more. I'll admit I was skeptical but I'm an engineer, I don't do this design stuff, I don't know what I'm looking at. At least that's what I said when I first saw it. Then she showed me some of her ideas and I thought, wow, that's really pretty, that looks gorgeous. And I thought it's probably best if she presented it to the rest of us. Don't be prejudiced, please give it a fair go. I think it's really nice, it's a bit different. Tell us what you think. And Yeska, go for it. I hope everyone can hear me. Great. So, well actually the first question that would come up is why does Debbie actually need a new design? Well, if you're looking at other distributions on the market, they all have more or less good designs too. And I noticed that Debbie has been kind of like in the back of all this. Since it's quite known that Debbie is a really good distribution, I was wondering why should not Debbie have it too? Well of course, as a lot of people, well maybe not everyone knows that, but Debbie used to be taken by other derivates to be used as because it's so cool that people would take it as a base. And well these derivates would succeed as well. So that's another question, why should Debbie not do the same? So what would this mean actually, a campaign, what would it really mean? I mean it's just a bit more than well creating some nice fleshy stuff. It's actually supposed to have a message. It should represent either the project, either the audience which it's talking to. It really will represent the values, the philosophy which is behind the project. Which can be quite of a challenge because it has to either, well the people inside have to identify with it as well as the people from the outside who are actually watching it. So let's see a look of other examples. Let's look at IBM on here. As you can see, they have quite a large logo history. Well a logo change which just does not only mean to be fancy just in a time, but it also shows that there is something moving, like that the project is just not standing still, which is quite obvious here. As you can see, IBM had some name change here, but I think you can imagine that this logo would not match anymore with this one. And here's another example. Well another two examples actually. This is HP and Intel. Well actually, well you can see here these two Intel logos are not too much slightly different than the first one and the second one. So sometimes the changes are really small and if you do it good people even would not notice it, that really something dramatically has happened. Now let's go to Debian, the story so far. We've got the penguin also known as chicken and well I don't have to say too much about this one. Everyone knows that. So when I started to create a logo for Debian I just got inspired by a few things. Well you all know that genie lamp thingy? I think it was, well I found out that it was used for the developers actually. I was quite inspired by that. I was also inspired by this positioning of the swirl and the font. So surprise, let's see what just came up. Well as you can see the swirl is a little simplified. It has a specific reason because if it's simpler it can be printed more easily. It's also easily recognizable. I mean just notice if you take a look at your Debian Conf9 t-shirts and your badge you see that this logo is a bit different from the one you're wearing at the t-shirt. This would not happen if the logo is some kind of simplified. Of course I try to do my best to keep the logo recognizable so that everyone relates it's the swirl. I've changed the font because the old one was a commercial one and actually this logo I've also made with a commercial one but as I was using this swirl I converted it to paths so it's not a font anymore. But still if people would like to use a font that quietly looks like this one I found a free alternative which you can see here. It looks actually quite similar and it's free downloadable so if people would like to make some invitations or small events whatever they can use that font. Well to be exact these two fonts in here are different. If anyone wants to know what kind of fonts that are I can tell them later. For this font it was just one font with different styles. Well and another thing that I was trying to give up is quite a flexibility. You can see here is just the GNU Linux but as there are so many Debian related projects you can write anything you want under this logo. Right. Okay here we see an example how a nicer website could look like without using flash. So well the main thing is just not just the design itself. I mean a very important thing would be to simplify the navigation because we really have to think does the user want to read all that text. I mean this is just a part of the site. I mean I just couldn't take the whole picture in my browser window. So that's definitely something that people would need to work on and think about what is really useful to give users to read. I mean it's fine to have further information but maybe it's better to place them as a link. Well so that's basically about the website. As you can see it's possible to realise with CSS. It's not a big deal. Probably just well at least for this sample one graphic would match perfectly. Well maybe two for the footer. So let's continue. I've got another example for a boot screen. Just to show that the design needs to be kept consistent like it would have an influence on everything that really relates to Debian. So as you can see this how a boot screen could look like. Right here you can see a few examples of what either you have name badge, name cards, maybe a CD. Here's not a sample of a website. It would be much more actually. It would be the desktop. It would be trade booths. Well pretty much everything. So it's quite a lot of work to do. I mean what I've done here is just a start and to continue this if it's going to be accepted of course there will need to be people to help and to realise all these things because it's really a lot of work to come. Okay now let's come to the image campaign. Some of you will have asked me what it actually is. An image campaign can be well something communicative that shows in well I would say visualised pictures. It can be either photographs, it could be drawings. It could be well illustrations that what I've chosen. They could be used as posters. They could be used as flyers. Well whatever it's needed for. But well the main issue is that it's communicating with the audience and telling how cool Debian actually is. Okay so the audience for this campaign is well actually two of them. I mean the server part. I think everyone knows that Debian is famous enough on servers right. So I targeted basically well advanced users who are already using Linux but are totally scared of touching Debian because they would say it's too complicated. Well I can assure it's not. I've installed it myself. It was not too bad actually. But well the rumor it still remains. So that has to be changed. Another target which would be quite interesting are well the normal users who even haven't touched a computer because it's quite proven that if you put someone in front of a computer who doesn't have a clue it really doesn't matter which operating system you give him. Well maybe well I don't know if that would be possible but sometimes you can also convince windows users to switch. Well probably they would be too scared to touch Debian as well so I would like to take away the fear. So just let's start with the illustrations now. Well what I try to do in here is to put that emotional aspect of well the open source community as a whole which well a little bit ironic as well sort of. I mean and I try to relate to each picture a message. I hope it's readable up there. If not it's just can you read it? No hang on softer with passion it is. Okay that's the next one. I hope that's correct up there. Social interactive software and there's the next one. You're a reliable partner. Thank you. Okay well that's a typical office situation. Isn't it good to have a system that works for you isn't it? Well that's softer with a message. Well I was almost finishing my illustrations then. Gunnar told me that well Debian is also used on an embedded market which I didn't know at that time so just I had this idea. And now I've seen the little geek toy you're carrying around so it's pretty cool. All right well I still could not forget the admins and the geeks around here so I thought maybe this would relate to quite good. Bug fixing is not funny sometimes but it's a challenge isn't it? Great so that's about it. We had these six illustrations. We have the logo we have the other designs I made. There are still a lot of things to come like I said. And well are there any questions? Yes. There is a small detail you said that the logo you know the Debian text below the swirl was now written in a font that's really downloadable and I'd like to know if it is a free font or if freely downloadably solve the risk to it because I would like a really truly free logo in all parts. Yes. Well from what I've read if I did not get it wrong it is really free. But I mean sorry I think for like beer yeah. What is the name of that font? Well this one is called like I said I took two for these two parts. This one is called what was it called? Go to Gothic something like? The other one is Milford. Milford black I think. I have to check that. I actually forgot the style but I have it on my computer and how I can check that. So I really like the full page graphics you had up. The only criticism I have about them is I think the text on the top left hand corner needs to be about 20 times the size. Well which one were we talking about this one? Or you mean these? Oh okay well these were printed originally like A2 so it's quite big. Well it's just it appears bigger when it's really printed so it might be a bit confusing now. Okay. Some of your slides use pink some others use blue. Can you help us understanding why you choose those colours? Well I actually wanted to keep the identity because I've seen this red is on the website already as well as the blue is. So I just didn't want to put something completely new which is not the identity of Dabian so I just wanted to keep that. So IRC is busily working out the licence of your fonts but so far it's looking good. You mentioned a little bit about the website can you speak a bit more about that about what you want to do in terms of... How does this fit in? Do you actually want to comment on the amount of text that's there and... Well the text is here for just a sample actually I think I've copied it from the first side. Yeah I've just copied this text to here. How do you mean? Do you mean what I can provide to change the side? Can you... Just speaking during the week you said that there's too much content on the side basically and that you want to rejig that. Does that fit into your ideas of the redesign? Is that part of it? Yes of course yeah. Otherwise it would not make sense. Sorry just to get an answer here. So how are you going to encourage people to do that? Ew! Well I mean a lot of people... Since I've been here to DevCon everyone is telling me that the website sucks so I think it's just not an issue that I would bring up it's like everyone would do this so I think people who are responsible for the web should start listening to it. Between yesterday and tomorrow GERFREED RONDA posted in his blog the work of Cayle Soderman since 2007 which is a total redesign of our web page all of them, packets, website, planet it's also integrated and Cayle had one step ahead and he already did most of the work because the WML pages are not easy to migrate and integrate Cayle already did most of it and it's implemented and there's a prototype so it's one important thing that those need to be aligned and as I understood this is not implemented yet right? No, no. Thank you. I was just about to point out a similar thing that yes the website has looked like this for quite a long time and it does need a redo but so yeah I really also wanted to point out that as far as I know the web team is onto that and working on something as well now as has been said already having prototypes up for testing that do integrate with the whole infrastructure behind and under the website like WML and all that, the translation and so so I was just wondering have you been in maybe these are two similar things have you been in contact with the WWW team or have you kind of like checked with them what can be done or how it could be done saying that the text should be reduced is one thing but then you have to decide what text to keep and then this design I agree is very nice and recognizable but I think yeah you should really check with the WWW team what they say and how it can be integrated with the technical infrastructure as well because this is quite challenging well I heard that well people said that there were a lot of tries to change things but from what I've heard I don't know if it was a rumor but people told that it was really difficult to push some changes so I was thinking ok so well maybe before I would start to do all the work and convincing them I just show this first and see their reactions before anything would be done well the implementing thing I mean I could provide some part of the CSS that's no problem but I have no idea about the technical background you're using I mean normally I would use a content management system for that I have no idea about the WML stuff or what it's called WML and you know to reduce the text or to overwork the navigation I think that's a thing which can be discussed separately as well it has to be discussed because well I'm not the only one who would who would have the right to decide which content should be kept or not right so I guess from what you've been saying we're not just looking at the website this is to look at the whole feel of a default installation of the package so the installer, your initial desktop if you install desktop the website everything together to be integrated so at this stage I guess we're just looking at how the system feels and I suppose what I'm trying to ask is is there enough feeling that this should be done that we should be integrating putting together a new feel and then integrating this into everything hey I believe we've got a release freeze coming up in December that we need to get this in boy well of course it would be really cool if some people would just well help realising it because I can do this all on my own which is quite obvious it's really a lot of work so well I mean I don't know when is the next release I was just going to say two things one is I think on the font probably a lot of people seem to be agreed from RSE that if we were going to adopt this design we can sort out when we adopt the final version that we will use a free font and just assume that we don't need to decide during this talk exactly what that font would be and a second issue I think certainly from my point of view the current work done by various people on the website doesn't contradict the design work here because I think the two things can be put together I mean yes there's a lot of technical level work needs done it's relatively easy if you've done the technical level work to migrate from the current design to plug in these kind of suggestions I think yeah well I don't think it's a big deal too I mean just a little CSS really really not I really try to keep it very simple because well otherwise it would just not fit to the project hey are you open for a contribution if so in which level and like do can you use just one part of your work or you mean what can I provide to help this thing moving on or how do you mean I mean usually when people propose some new design or new stuff or that they show some options and they are open to change and so it's I think it's important for the project I don't know how are you dealing with this sorry you mean the license not on license if if we agree that we should do some change in the swirl on the font and oh you mean if you come up with changes for font or for the swirl that would be accepted is that what you mean well this is difficult because well it would be pretty much the same if you would ask me to code I mean the result would be very crappy because I can't code but I would not even have the idea to do this the thing is behind all this there's a whole concept I mean people are very welcome to work within this for example if the font is downloadable and stuff and people would make their own badge name badges or for t-shirts or whatever they are free to use it and make also new creations with that I would really like to keep this well the core stuff as it is because otherwise it's not going to be well it's going to kind of break the whole campaign I hope you understand that I mean it's really not about keeping people away or something exactly hi a couple of things one was that the idea of having to make everything consistent was sort of presented as a blocker for release I don't see that at all because we've got an incoherent image at the moment so why not continue with an incoherent image for the next release the second point is what was the second point no I'll think about it okay okay so I know that you've done this as part of your course how much work did you did this take for you a lot I think I 7 months altogether it was really really hard work because before well starting to make the design I've done a lot of research and well at that point I would like to thank you Steve for the support thanks Guna for the support I hope I did not get too much on your nerves because I was spamming him with all the stuff I've done so far for he give me his comment I also would like to thank to Stockholm he's not here but well they or you guys give me the support well to be able to do my work as good as I could well part of the research I've done I've also had to see what my experience actually is within this project to observe how people are in this project to see read a little bit about the history of Debian how is it pursued in the outside world how would people see it check the forums how people describe Debian et cetera so it was really a lot of work and then well later on I had to think about the right way to express that well to express the results I've collected so it was really really a lot of work cool and you've presented this already in your college I think you mentioned earlier how well was this received by those people oh it was actually quite a well it was my final exams actually and I was a bit worried because no one really had a clue about open source Linux I mean they hardly know how to switch on and off a computer so well I was quite nervous for my presentation now but well I started to talk and explain and well actually there was just one question coming up where the name Debian comes from luckily I knew the story that it was the thing with Debian Ian I think this is true right yeah yeah so I was quite surprised because they didn't have any further question which is a good sign in exams which means that my companion was pretty clear cool excellent have you had the results of your exams through yet yes I have I passed wonderful thank you one thing that bothers me in many websites which are designed by an artist is that when I use a bit larger fonts things often break have you considered what happens for example when you say double the font size in the web pages well I've actually I had to do this for the presentation for people to see that it's text right but I mean well CSS can do magic right okay one more thing I'd like to say and I think I'm echoing something that was also said in IRC is that okay I'll read this straight from here okay it's great to hear that someone has put in this put in so much work into this I guess making sure she doesn't get flamed until she just walks away is the next part of the game so I think you will you will probably notice that pushing things in the open source world and perhaps Debian in particular might be a bit hard sometimes but yeah well you guys are not too bad now it's okay I mean I know it would be a challenge somehow but I mean it's not the first time I've worked with Debian so I know what I'll be going through it's fine I mean most of you are really nice no no seriously I mean I will not be sort of offended or anything like that well it's fine I mean I like you guys and that's why I made it for you I was involved I'm still actually quite involved in the wiki and last time I was really calling to get some people to work on designs and I was really hoping that the wiki could use the same templates as of course of course as the website and I'm really happy to have some people working on it it's of course very unfortunate to have two teams working on different project we all remember Linda and Lin Tian and sometimes we can choose to have two products Linda and Lin Tian and it's probably going to be tough to choose and to make everyone happy with project which is within all whichever but I really find it great for all you did and the work that clearly do it and thank you for doing it because it's really so great to have it Thank you I'm glad to hear it One thing about this design process that's obvious to me is that it's perceived not as a programming problem that requires knowledge and skill but a problem that only requires strong opinions and vision How do we avoid the bike shedding that's going to explode in the project when people start to see this design and they want to propose different colors, different fonts, different layouts well all you need is gimp in a few hours then you can actually do some changes to the thing and obviously a lot of people is going to join in to have their say and put their finger mark on any visual design in Debian Well I actually already taking this red like as you see here on the website for the swirl I mean I don't know if people had changed the color of the swirl it is now well the thing is people who are arguing in this context are mostly driven by taste somehow and as we know everyone has different taste so it really doesn't matter if I would take it pink people would say oh I don't like pink I hate pink I prefer green the other one would say no I like purple and then someone else say I like blue so what are you going to do I mean you really can't make it suitable well tasteful sort of for everyone because tastes are pretty different but the only thing I can do is to explain the concept and well explain why I've chosen this color and not the other one Hi are you the sole copyright author on this and have you decided on license yet? I've been asked that a few times okay well I think some nice creative comments Cheryl like license would be fine for the project I guess well maybe yeah or GPL yeah Hi personally having no idea about accessibility in general did you check how this design works out for blind people and how does it compare to the original website well I never tested the original website I've got some I'm partially sighted myself and I have some blind friends too I don't know how they get along with the old website but well it is possible to keep things semantic on a technical background so that people can read it if you just avoid too many graphics and put the alternate text on them it should be fine well I tried to do it as accessible as possible I think well the design is so simple that actually it should be possible to keep it accessible as well I mean this is just would be basic CSS really I just wanted to follow up to something you said two minutes ago which was all you could do is explain why you chose that particular colour and I just wanted to be mischievous and ask why did you choose that particular colour oh I didn't mention that already well just take a look at the website you have this blue in here and you have the red here well actually I was a little bit undecided as well which one to choose and when I was doing the illustrations I thought well these colours kind of like match somehow and I was thinking ok I'll keep this too so that's why I wanted to keep the identity a little bit I just didn't want to make the change so dramatic because people do relates to that blue and reddish colour looking around the audience here and on IRC you've got quite a reasonable range of comments I mean hopefully mostly positive from what I can see that my next question would be assuming you have enough asbestos clothing what would you do next what would be your plan for implementing this ok so of course I will help as much as I can as much as it's possible for me I would provide the design needed for instance if they would be desktop theme or the boot screen like you've seen no hang on I would well try to get some ideas for a trade both well I would really continue to work on this because well like I said in the beginning this was just a start and of course I can leave you guys along with that so I would really really like to help and anything what is needed to be done I'll do it cool just a very final tiny remark considering the blue that seems to confuse some people I think as far as like trademarking and recognition and all that goes you're very safe with the pink or the purple or the red or however it's called because everybody knows that as the Debian colour as far as I know the blue was really mostly pink because it contrasts well with the pink so we can actually see the blue dots on the pink stuff so I think if you just stick with the pink everybody will say ah yeah sure that's Debian all right and yeah the blue was mainly chosen for visibility reasons I don't think any particular there's any particular connection with Debian so yeah I guess I just wanted to explain maybe that's why some people are a bit confused by the blue well yeah well actually of course it's flexible I mean for instance if you would make a vote which design you prefer and people would say well they like the blue but they prefer in red well no problem this can be changed of course I mean I've heard a lot of people prefer this one actually I don't know how about you but these things definitely can be switched I mean okay the illustrations I would rather keep in those colours if that's okay but yeah sure I mean the swirl could be done in red as well yeah about the fonts I know they're very similar the free one and the one you've used for your designs but well I can see the difference and I think I've always thought that it would be particularly cool if Debian actually had its own font and we do have a package called Metafont for doing that sort of thing and designing it into our font is a nightmare it is yeah designing a font that can carry six letters and then building on that is a different thing and we could I mean would you be interested in working with some font keeks to generate a font either somewhere between those two or maybe even preferable to the one that you chose originally I don't know there are licensing issues because we can't go too close to the the one you chose originally because then we just ripped it off no no no the thing is on this font if you're allowed to do that we could do that but maybe you'd actually prefer a very slightly different font from the original one no no no that's fine I mean this font is actually within the logo it's not a font anymore because as you see I removed the eye dot so I converted it to paths so in that case it's not a font anymore no no I'm not talking about the script whether it's a license issue or not now I understand that you turned it into a font I mean if I would like to create a font or I was wondering if we have I imagine we have some font keeks amongst us and there is a package for generating fonts that is widely available and there may be an interest in generating a font that is like that so that we can use it and call it the debut in font and that's it well I mean if this tool is easy to use and it gives you fast results fine but the thing is creating fonts is a really really nightmare oh my god I've just tried it once and after five minutes I thought I'm gonna throw my computer against the wall I mean I really I really don't have patience to do this it's so tricky and it's so much work well first of all this is too much detail I just I can't do this, this would be too much I would sit I don't know for how many days to make one letter I really wasn't suggesting you do it but if someone is interested in doing it they could spend the rest of their life having fun yeah so referring to the different colour schemes that you're using I think for the large posterised images I think it's a really good idea to have at least two different colour themes that we can use and I do like the two that you've chosen cool one thing I wonder about colour blindness is pretty common around how do we make sure that colours picked are good for colour blind people I made the design quite well as you can see the contrasts are quite big I also made the logo that can be printed on a black and white copy machine so well I think the colour issue would not be too well I'd say important or something I mean it would just not decrease the usage of it so that's why I kept the contrast very I mean I don't know how people deal with the old swirl with the same colour I know a font designer who does use the free software font package and does design for free software projects so how interested would you be in working with him so that you could design the font artistically in the way that you would like and then have him implement at least the six letters for that as a start I mean would it just work out if I would give it to him the logo and he would do it I mean because I'm really terrible at these things this is just I mean as I said I would have a lifetime font with this the problem I guess is that that is then a copy of an existing font would kind of naturally apply to that no no no it's not not anymore because like I said as soon as she converted to paths it's not a font anymore it's just a graphic so it really this issue does not exist plus as she saw there was the free alternative so this can be downloaded and from what I know it's been already checked that it's free so that's the thing yeah all I said is that copyright and so on for fonts is weird and not the same as for software there are weird things where you can get away with legally taking someone's font, printing it out and redesigning a new font from that and it counts as that's allowed that's why normally the big font foundries try to protect hard the names of fonts as trademarks because font designs are actually quite hard to protect under copyright so in that case you have to choose a different name for that somehow from what I got it but well like I said for the original logo that I've done it's paths it has to be paths because otherwise I would not be able to manipulate it and take away the dot from the eye I just wanted to say that I like the idea of having an identity for a Debian and I really look forward to to have those things done and thank you thank you you're very welcome just to be as everybody is here technically correct you do not have to take away part of the graphic element of a font in order to get that word for example Turkish includes a letter that's dot less lower case i or even dotted uppercase i so I don't know the difference in pronunciation but that letter should exist as it is in several fonts and they would be legally fonts without having to translate into into curves well and there is a point in this because well I am sure you have seen all kinds of Debian t-shirts or the world which have something that looks like an extension to the whatever font was used for the original design that are well basically extrapolated because we don't have access to that font you mean the original one that is used now okay well I actually I must admit I've never heard about that font too after someone told me that it's non free I was like what so well I have really no idea about the special character support really I mean I've just chosen the fonts that would fit for the logo basically but well in the end I think it's fine to use Helvetica or some other standard font too I mean if you well I would say if you put it nicely together the font would match it's not a big deal I mean mostly you need these things to create some text rather than headline or well the logo will remain like this anyway so I can help with that too I mean if there is help needed to make fires or something well I'm there to help it's not a problem about the the web team have you talked with them I've talked with a few people here on Depconf well they said let's see how the reactions will be from the others and they told me a few technical stuff that I really did not get I'll just try to explain that the design is just pure CSS actually and I said well if I can do that maybe I can just tell the colors of the links or of the text and the navigation and the rest is just up to them because well like I said I don't have idea about the WML stuff you're using so now that you've passed your exam what are your life plans and sorry I mean you've obviously been spending a lot of your time on that how much of your time will you be able to spend on it in the coming months and years ooh well I'm flexible and well of course I'm actually looking for for freelance work I'm not a type to work in agencies because well it's really not for me so if I would do some freelance jobs I can of course schedule my time the right way so it's just that you don't have time you have to take the time so don't worry I will not disappear the current old logo is also being used in a more horizontal way with the swirl next to the text do you supply such variants the current old logo is also being used with the swirl next to the text for more horizontal outlines do you supply such variants would it be possible for you which one I don't you mean that the swirl is next to the one or two back backwards please yes at the top of the old website oh well not really because I got inspired by this genie lamp here so you know the thing is the recognition needs to be kept and if you put the logo there and the other time you put it underneath or wherever it's just not going to be consistent so I tried that when I was working on the first samples I've tried a few variations and I just thought it sucked okay thank you I'd like to see a variation for dark backgrounds just it's important for printing in shirts yeah I could do that well as soon as I go home to my computer because I I could do some no problem well maybe just to have a glimpse you can see it on the boot screen so it's pretty flexible to use okay I'd just like to thank you very much for your presentation welcome we look forward to seeing effectively I guess a marketing pack telling us exactly what we can use in what format in the near future to start to adopt so thank you very much thank you there are one or two more minutes well yeah I also would like to echo the thanks and I really like the new logo and the images and everything so my reaction is very positive to all of this and would like to encourage you to keep beating us over the head with some sensible design because really the current web page is quite difficult but I just wanted to make a comment about the horizontal usage of the swirl doesn't quite work for the word debconf like we're using behind you on the poster because there is no I in the word so it can in some cases putting the image on the side might be yeah of course this just relates to the logo so all these things would be of course I mean each debconf is in a different country each year so this also needs some research and work before that to create accurate logo for each debconf of course so I think each logo for each debconf will maybe not differ too much when it comes to the font but would have some symbols integrated with swirl which would be typical for the country for example I don't know if you guys remember the design I've done for debconf 6 there were these tacos with chilies and cables inside maybe you might remember that one so on that part we are quite flexible right I think that's the end thank you for being brave enough to come and stand in front of a room full of engineers and tell them how things should look hopefully you've not been scared away too much by nasty questions about fonts and stuff no no it's fine I mean I've prepared to that thank you very much welcome