 Welcome to Dear to Dream and The new show of the day the new show Dajor. This is Debbie Dashinger. It's a pleasure to be with you The show has been nominated for two people's podcast choice awards and I Encourage you to subscribe to the show. It's available to you on a lot of different outlets I'll just name a few because we're syndicated and over 40 of them You can subscribe on Apple or Google podcast as well as speaker YouTube comm slash Debbie Dashinger because it's so much fun to see the people So the fact that some of you are watching or excuse me listening on podcast But maybe you'd like to see what we all look like interacting Definitely go to YouTube comm slash Debbie Dashinger and thank you so much to everybody and that's you For posting your comments. I read them all I appreciate them all sometimes I send them on to the guest So thanks also BBS radio Pandora I heart radio Tara, so I want to talk a little bit about How interesting it is to make a contrary choice because I'm living in that space right now and Here's what I know It's really uncomfortable actually where I am right now because my life has been going one direction I feel a call the call the wild to go a much deeper spiritual way in my life And what I'm starting to see is that life is not supporting The other ways that I show up because it's really asking me to go way deep and way spiritual and What I also know is Besides being uncomfortable and hearing the call the wild which is spirituality for me And I like calling it that is that I am making these really delicious choices for myself And I'll give you an example that is contrary. I Had an appointment with an amazing woman the other day I knew she was amazing and she's an image stylist and our appointment was that she come to my place She go through my closet and specifically what she does is she shops in your own closet So she takes what you already have increased outfits out of them and I had heard great things about her This has been on the calendar for months, but I am going gangbusters right now. I'm launching all sorts of stuff And I'm exhausted, but I also need the capacity to finish launching things So the thought was I really should cancel this and put it off But you know the next concurrent thought was I really should not cancel this because this is a day for me and I have a firm belief that contrary action my not working my having fun my being creative with another being actually Creates for me gives the universe the space and capacity to throw beautiful things into my life So I got to say I had the most spectacular day with this woman Bobby and I now have 30 new outfits. I went to a wine event last night This is one of them by the way You can't even see the awesome black belt crushed velvet pants that go with this or the boots And she puts everything together went to a wine event last night another contrary choice When my computer went haywire because Microsoft has decided to make an upgrade that they actually haven't tested by the way So don't use the upgrade because it wiped out like half my computer So I was in triage for five hours yesterday at a time when I really need that time and right before I left For the wine event contrary action. I said I can't wait for Microsoft any more to try to figure this out I pressed the button to completely restore my computer back to how it was pre-upgrade and Walked out went to a wine event had a spectacular night came back at the end of the night and Tara My computer completely worked again when it went back to from whence it was originally So I just want you to look at your life and what kind of contrary action can you take that's for you? That allows the space and capacity and the gorgeous winds and arms of the universe to come in and take care of you That's really what I'm all about I think meditation is that by the way because we're always thinking about all the things we have to do But when we stop and disconnect and do something that's really for us for the stillness For the remembering that we are all that isn't connected to all that is that magnificent things can happen So one of the things I'm doing tonight Is I'm gonna take a look at some ideas For me to do to create a new and upgraded 2.0 Ritual that I do daily. I've had one. It's been lovely But I'm ready for 2.0 because when you hear the call of the wild when you hear spirituality go come to me your mind Look in my eyes your mind, baby And I feel it like big time. I need a new practice or an upgraded practice So I'm gonna be looking at future journaling. You've not heard about that I'll let you know how that goes because I feel I'll do some work there and Definitely some practices some beautiful practices. Maybe even bump up the yoga that I do every week So I'm offering all of this to you So that your mind your your being starts going to start to consider What's up for you and what's right and light and what seems logically like what you really need to be doing? But you know in your heart what you most desire to do in where your perfect alignment is instead and to trust that Alignment to allow that to unfold and see where it takes you yum So I have a great show for you today and before I get into the show I just want to say thank you to dr. Dean here for sponsoring this show and thank you to access consciousness You can find his amazing powerful energy work anywhere in the world his products his books everything They've got online courses live courses. You can become a facilitator. It's dr. Dean here h ER calm and access consciousness calm They're amazing and if you're different DD that be dashing. They're definitely different like me. It's great outfit So would you like to learn specifically how the universe is here for you in particular? I know I do my guest today is Kathleen M. Whalen And she's helped hundreds of thousands of people harness the power of Vedic astrology to conscious calendars Which is a coded color calendar and it shows the power days of the year and has been downloaded in over 184 countries. She's also the developer of Astro Vantage a comprehensive karmic guidance series that aligns purpose with opportunity Through the power of Vedic astrology Kathleen consults and guides teams of successive millionaires and works with those who are deeply on their spiritual path Kathleen blends her BA in biochemistry medicine Masters of acupuncture and Chinese herbs mantra and are you Veda into her work? She's the author of correction how Vedic astrology predicts the market instability of 2013 and The little book of happiness which is a companion to the prosperity mantra and happiness habit experience You can find out more about her at conscious calendars Com Kathleen Welcome to dear to dream. It is so great to have you. Oh, thank you so much Debbie. You are incredible Thank you. Well right back at you girlfriend. I mean I had a reading with you last week I'm still I'm still in process After experiencing that I have to say and I've told so many people I've so over the course of my career I get a lot of swag and I've had many many readings and at some point especially for me with astrology It's like yeah, yeah, you know, you can only hear about your character so much and it aligns and that's great But I have to say I feel like you deliver something that is so different Like I mean, obviously you and I it was like a total business strategy session On the one hand and the other hand, I felt like you could see and perceive things I've never experienced someone to be able to do in a Vedic astrology reading. So I want to start there I want to start that you can speak to you. What is that experience? What is it that you bring that is so unique and wholly different? Oh Oh Thank you so much Debbie, you know, I really I honestly feel that It's practicing the elements the foundational elements of the system itself. It's a social science and What ends up happening is I do think my background about chemistry and being able to take three-dimensional things and sort of spiral them up and combine them does help and when someone honors the principles of Indian astrology embedded within it itself is the capacity to do more than Just look at someone's capabilities and skills. There's a quality to it that is Weaving into strong suits purpose Vibrational futures near futures and the transits all come together And that's really what I was doing, you know in the session with you is naming these things that just Jump out as synergies and it actually kind of sings and that's what I'm reading in in in hearing you could say and Saying Regular Sanskrit mantras I do think helps You mean you say them in your life. Yes Well as like a vibrational preparation that creates kind of use you could say an opening a Channel so that when I'm in a session for you these other magical things can happen So I'm reading the principles and something else can happen too. Wow because I love this part in your bio that says Astro vantage comprehensive karmic guidance That a lie. I mean, this is like a powerful line all of it that aligns purpose with opportunity What is that? Yeah, that is the bingo, right? Because in When people speak of Vedic astrology, they often call it predictive Because there's someone's chart, which is the map of the sky at the moment of someone's birth There's this really cool other thing which has to do with it's called a Dasha cycle but it's a planetary cycle that lights up portions of consciousness and Literally call us to be interested in different things Drawing us to different places on the planet or different Activities like I want to get a university degree now. It literally pulls this up in our consciousness And then at the same time there is this other thing of transits of like ding ding ding There's some big stuff coming down the pike right around the corner and this Opportunity mixed with where you are and everything you've either created in the last three years five years 20 years Three months come and combine with it and all of that together is that combination of the karmic patterns Things you've cultivated in past lives and this lifetime and the opportunities coming together to say big yes When those combine So here you are BA in biochemistry like you're an overachiever. I think this is amazing medicine Masters of acupuncture Chinese herbs mantras are you Veda and this I Love to know how you got here But I but I also am clear in reading that that this is all the soup of who you be right now So talk about that You know, I do feel in so many ways that the first three years of my life in Taiwan must have had some play in This beautiful thread that has been woven through my life There's something about being able to understand nature and natural rhythms that has been with me my whole life And to me, that's the thread that ties everything together So yes, I mean I got the BA in biochemistry because to me looking at Compound was like looking at trees blowing in the wind Remember, you know, we're similar age. We didn't have 3d Composites back in the day, right? Like we had to take, you know, two-dimensional images and look at them But when they finally came into being looking at the things that make up our body, they it's all nature It's the microcosm macrocosm this thread is all woven throughout so I chose biochemistry because I knew I was going to medical school I went to medical school. I left medical school and I was just going to jump through that hoop to get to Chinese medicine And I already had a successful Chinese medicine practice and when I came to Vedic Astrology. I spent 50 to 75 hours on my own chart To understand that as much as I'm having was having a very successful practice if I continued in the same vein I would likely make myself sick Wow, and it was time to change So I began that process which was very difficult to let go of a very successful practice People and people start like can I refer people to you, you know for the Chinese medicine, you know Because I can do the whole energy bit And so yeah, it's been in very interesting process, but understanding nature and natural rhythm is the thread It's the core of all of it. There is no difference to me And you once organized talks for Pema children, I'd love to hear more about that That was very early before she became known. Actually, I had tuktan children was when I Tibetan Buddhist teachers and tuktan children actually has done incredible work for Tibetan Buddhist nuns and creating Nunneries and places that they can live and practice away from the public sphere But while she was still living in public life Pema children good friend of hers, you know They went through teachings together. So Pema was coming through town and I was you know Sort of a right-hand person helping out with little things And so I found this beautiful art gallery and put it together and got to hang out with Pema children and be with her at two Dharma talks and You know looking back She hasn't changed at all and she's just so beautifully available and Genuine and she was exactly that way then Wow, you have an amazing history. I mean you've really traveled Big time you made some big life choices Is that in your chart too? Yeah, looking back I can see some of those travels Yes, but I was in Chinese medicine school and in like you just like you're you're speaking about though There are those feelings of working in the known sector of like this is a logical choice and then there's that moment of the call of the wild and I really think that there is such Beauty a symphony in combining those two because I was very clearly like great I'm finishing Chinese medicine and I thought ahead. I knew that as soon as I finished my degree I would jump into a practice and I would probably not be able to travel because I would be sort of tied to the Responsibility of the practice so I made a choice Between the second and third year of the master's program to do my internship in China early and I don't even have on my bio I'm in pictures. I got to meet the the prime minister of China at one of the talks I went to lots of things like that But because I was in China and I was studying Tibetan Buddhism. I had friends who told me different ways to get to Lhasa and so while I was in West China, I took a trip to Tibet and many people told me ah, you're gonna want to go straight to Nepal things are destroyed all these things this was back in 1993 and prior to that I had had this magical book a travel book and I opened it and the first page I went to was Mount Kailas The center of four world religions and I went huh, I'm gonna go there someday And I took a colored pencil and it said there's two roots There's one route that's only open between two monsoon seasons and is the rare route and I went Oh, that's the way I'm gonna go. I put a little colored pencil and I colored it and it was a clockwise in the book Five years later. I'm in Lhasa Now you're planning on going on this trip and I am offered for a hundred dollars to be taken to the base of Mount Kailas I Was late getting back to school by two weeks. It was magical It was a life-changing journey and that was after meeting the Karmapa twice in Serpu India I was in Serpu, Tibet And how did that change you I feel it affirmed many things but the one piece that sticks with me is that when in the high desert it is this complete template for Truly seeing how the nature of the mind is reflected in Our experience of our environment So when I was in pain, I would notice angry thoughts come up and patterns and When I was at peace You know, it was just utter utter bliss And so this was a huge high contrast, you know, because we were hiking with a 70 pound pack You know all this sort of stuff So there are all these metaphors But those are the things that stick with me and that is also one of the places that I experienced the magic of mantra So will you share can you share some mantras with us? Yeah, I'd be happy to It sounds me. Yeah. Yeah. The one that came through that trip Which was through a different Tibetan Buddhist nun that I was traveling with Was the Tara mantra now Tara in this in in the mantra I'm about to give This is actually the Buddhist tradition and Tara and this tradition She actually quells fear and brings courage and this is one of my first mantras and Now we don't use mantra to manipulate our environment, but it just so happens that If you're having issues and things are kind of in the way or you're late or like you got to get somewhere fast Doing the Tara mantra clears obstacles. It's sort of like Ganesha in the Indian pantheon But tar this target of the green Tara mantra, which is she's sort of the patron saint of Lhasa. You could say is That she quells fear elicits courage of all sorts And also clears obstacles and when I say this practice a little bit longer Rainbows come out I'll offer unicorns, but you know, yeah So Wow, so just to reiterate and that is the spelling t a r a That is Tara Tara the mantra clears issues quells fear and elicits courage. Yeah And I'm going to actually give everyone a secret extra sound Which is part of my practice And I will be using the Tibetan Pronunciation not the Sanskrit pronunciation. So when we say the mantra, it's actually Om Tare to Tare to Tara Soha Very simple and so the Tara becomes Tare in the mantra Om Tare to Tara To Ture Soha, I've added an extra syllable in there that actually captures energy and sort of amplifies it And I find that very very powerful for me Om Tare to Tara to Tare Soha Om Tare to Tara to Ture Soha I think I might have said a wrong syllable the first time so the second and third time is correct Beautiful And how do we do this? How do you do it? You could say it silently out loud. It's wonderful to do to say this mantra in threes or nines Many people say it in an entire 108 rosary or mala But I I personally find the power of threes and nines Okay, will you give us an example? I love even if you have a mala or not But just get I love to experience you and the vibration you can create during this interview Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, to just say it three or nine times. Please. Yeah Om Tare I say her name first Om Tare to Tare to Ture Soha Om Tare to Tara to Ture Soha Om Tare to Tara to Ture Soha Om Tare to Ture Soha Om Tare to Ture Soha That's so beautiful That has such a resonance Mamma Mia Well, we're going to take a very quick break because that's so yummy. I want you to be in that before we come back The question is What do you dare to dream? I interview very successful Thought leaders who are doing great work out in the world. And if you knew you couldn't fail, if you knew you had the wings to fly, what would you do? That's why this show is created. It is for you to support you And if you would like to be part of this dare to dream team Please support us by making a donation More go to patreon.com slash dare to dream and make a contribution To help this show be as big and awesome and even bigger and more awesome than it is And I will continue to find better ways to support you in your life to create your dreams That's patreon.com slash dare to dream And if you're just tuning in after we've started, I'm interviewing the amazing Kathleen Wayland She's a good astrologer and she offers conscious calendars and astro vantage We're going to find out more about her work. You can find her at conscious calendars.com Kathleen, I want to ask you about the kind of things that people can receive working for you So I know I had a session. I know we have a follow-up session. I'm already looking forward to But I can tell by what I'm reading you offer a lot more So just so I'm clear all of what's possible with you when you talk about that I'd be happy to. So the astro vantage experience is really, I feel the prime nugget To experience as much of the basics of what Vedic astrology can bring And with that, that's four sessions over the course of a year Of course, if someone would want to, they could shorten that But that actually allows me to bring both a one and two year view for planning purposes, perspective of the past And to bring in all those other goodies that you maybe were reading about Which is sometimes a flower essence recommendation There's also gemstones And in the Vedic system, gemstones are used very differently than many people might have experienced in the What I'll call the retail chakra support system In that the gems are extremely high quality, there's affordable ones They're extremely high quality and the thing I'll tell everyone is Whatever gemstone you get, it is far better to get something you can afford without specs or marks in them Even though in your local gem shop though, but it's root related, it's really cool You've got connections Yeah, but I just want to drop this little like, because I love to give universal advice Like if you can have a session with me, you know, let's be useful So, and so the gems are aligned with the planets And that actually contrary to logical belief might be It doesn't bring the forces in, it actually counters negative forces that might be blocking us or pushing us one direction more than another And taking that pressure off then actually allows health to flourish There's gemstones for wealth, for children, family, education, things like that And it's all aligned specifically with each person's chart So all of those things get to be experienced in an astro vantage Series of sessions and the big, the super bonus is that I have this whole conscious calendar system That then anyone who has the astro vantage package, they actually get what all of my annual subscribers have been begging me for Is that they will get a year of conscious calendars bundled in a PDF, easy to read, every single month So by the end of the 12th month, you actually have two years of view I know your calendars are color coded, you've got purple, green, red, can you explain that? Yeah, I mean, at the forefront, it's just like many people who have, you know, say an Apple computer or have ever driven Green means go, yellow means caution or be aware And red is stop, but it's actually be quiet, self nourish, go to the spa, journal Be quiet, maybe don't be so social And that's really the core is the green, yellow, red And then additionally, we have purple, which brings in, which are days where there might be more blockages Or we might be bumping up against our stuff or sadness And it's often a message to go, yeah, wait, maybe, it's okay So there's information in every single kind of color day Oh, that's so good, you know, yeah, I'm having some purple Without a doubt, you know, I thrive on being social, I really do And I also feel very held because of the people in my life, right? Major love and contribution and even tonight, you know, my best friend wanted to get together First we tried for a movie and then we were, you know, let's go to, like, one of our favorite places to hang out And I just could feel so deeply in me, done, cooked, cannot Love her to the moon and back and I really want to create my practices Like, I feel so called to be in alignment that if I, you know, life is so fast, right? It goes quickly and to harness time, especially when something's up and it feels right To sit down and really allow the expansion of what is right in life here, what needs to be in play What does that look like? Recipes for me are everything Because I'm not a recipe girl, right? So like I'm so unstructured That for me to have structure or some modicum of discipline creates massive success for me Yeah, because you have this incredible ability to listen and observe, right? I mean, I feel like that's what makes you so incredible at the work that you do with visibility with people Because you have this ability to listen into yourself and observe sort of vibrational information Be it the colors people are wearing or how they're looking And I completely understand because I'm a creative myself So I like just enough structure to then have that sounding board to go, yeah, is this true for me? Right, that's the basis of everything in spiritual tradition is we are asked to test it We're asked to say, is this true for me? Hmm, that's neat You know, I have two places I want to jump, but I'm going to go here first because I thought this was really interesting in what you offer You also offer stuff about what I'm talking about. This is outside of the flower essences and the gems Which you gave me some information and I actually pulled up a great picture of a beautiful gold because I'm a gold girl Gold ring with this monster pearl has to be a monster ring for me So I found something and I'm just I put it aside for when extra money comes in and it's I'm so excited about it It's one of the sites you recommended you also talk about ways we can meditate as well as what we can do for our personal body type I really want to dive into both of those because they're so they're so compelling and very important for those of us walking around in this body suit Man o man o man, right? Yeah Let's just talk I mean they're really the same thing sort of exercise meditation when looking at someone's chart and this is what a good Ayurvedic practitioner can do when they listen to the pulse But what's so beautiful is when we look at the chart, we can actually see what works for you now I think we all have experienced like oh I had a jam and I was meditating great then or I worked out really great there I had a routine What happens is with the planetary cycles and what lights up in our consciousness two things are happening there is what's natural to our body and body type Some people you know are going to go a little mental you know thoughts much faster and for that body type creating something there are literally asanas or poses that can be done We're talking one to that create instant grounding there's even different breathing practices and again we're talking nothing fancy just like beats that breaths are held And so by looking at consciousness we can I can create a custom experience that is matched with the body and mind type in addition understanding the conditions of this month of the next six months You're probably going you know to be a little more on your jam and walk every day here or let's make sure you're walking here because the energy will be heavy or and so we can create custom experiences On a month by month three months six month basis that is always matched with the body mind type because not the same kind of meditation is right for everyone It's like a pit to data sorry if I'm saying it wrong It's like a pit to kappa Dosha's and the word dosha actually is naming the imbalance so I actually always like to use the positive vibrational quality and so when these practices are employed you're actually increasing vitality or Prana or Chi And you're increasing Tejas or focused fire and Ojas which is the juiciness of life And so what and what am I is that in my chart would you even Ooh I'd almost have to to relook what we do know is that the what's so interesting is that some of your tendencies are to have some of that Vata you know like a little bit of getting spun out either you know by technology and life because you have the ability to understand information so well But your core thing is Ojas like you are all about the juice you actually understand the quality of the joy of life the magic of life all of that that is in every fiber of your being and you bring that to everything you do an event how you reflect it back to Clients whether you're helping them with a book or in a session like that's that core because you have a connected sense you have a sense of being connected in the universe at all times and that gives a grounding And that juiciness of life that you come from that and seek it as well because you know it's a natural fruit of being Wow thank you those are gorgeous words and so for somebody who is in that flow of magic and connection and all that is another people what is, is there an exercise that's better for my Constitution Yes, I mean the the two images I immediately got, I'm not even thinking of your chart I just have the impression of having worked with you is actually being in the center of a room and spinning just a little bit, possibly moving back a little and then sitting and sitting upright first cross legged, but then there is something that when you are sitting cross legged if you move the body with the back straight and the neck in alignment with it, and then straight forward, as far as you can and then you pause and you breathe in, hold your breath then and feel the energy in your low back, the held breath we're talking one second, or half a breath, and then you release that and then you take another And maybe move forward a little bit more, and it's a straight back but those you know there's movement and slowly by doing that as you move forward, this actually opens the low back but it's actually an antidote to Vata. So in the fall and winter, the energy is in general Vata, but for you, as Vata is reduced, this will ground you very deeply. But first we have to have movement and opening to the magic of life so you spin first and then you move a little in your low back and then you sit down. And in the bending then you can sit and you will be anchored. I'm going to try that, that's awesome. Is that what you were meaning? Well I mean it wasn't, but I'm honestly I was thinking you would say yeah you know do body pump or take yoga or you know Pilates or... Oh it's got to be unique for everybody honey. You're not kidding your own unique exercise for your body type, that's fantastic and of course I do have stuff in my lower back, PS, shocker. So yeah that's a beautiful practice and I do love this sense of being so open to start with, that feels really good. I'm going to tell you funny enough on last Saturday I was invited to a costume party and the invitation said come as you from another alternate reality. My boyfriend immediately like he got a download, he was so excited, he knew he was going to do his hair, he went out and bought the silver outfit, he bought silver makeup. He you know put his hair, he has a lot of hair which is great, he put his hair up in a sort of a cone and sprayed it silver. I mean man he looks so good and I thought oh I'll be you but in gold right? But I couldn't find a gold outfit. Instead I was about to leave a store and I saw a tutu and I've never owned a tutu. I was so excited, I bought a big poofy tool orange and pink tutu and a black top, a gold lame to go over it. You know giant platforms with flowers on them and a little orange head off to the side. So my costume created actually the character because I ended up being just that of a Dr. Seuss novel. Perfect, we go to this party and the first person we run into has this beautiful costume and then he's got little markings on his forehead. And I said that is so cool, who are you? He said I'm Rahu. And I said I have to tell you, I had met you on Monday and you said I'm Rahu. I would have walked away like that's nice and not known who the heck you were talking about. But I just had this amazing Vedic astrology session with Kathleen Wayland and I actually know who you are and the characteristics you be. And we had this amazing conversation. Wow, that is so cool. I'll tell people about that because that was so interesting. About Rahu. Good question, honey. All right, so Rahu, just when Rahu is mentioned, usually K2 is mentioned. So these two energies are simply the names. If for people who know Western astrology, it's called North and South Node. So these are actually invisible marks in the sky that exist at the time of your birth and they exist right now. And those marks are, I always point to the sky. So imagine some invisible mark that says, oh, somewhere in the next month or two, somewhere in the next six months, the sun, moon and earth will align and there will be an eclipse. And that invisible mark in the sky is that alignment. It becomes an energetically charged place in our solar system or around Earth for us. Then for 18 months, that's a charged place for everybody. And if it's significant in your chart, that's when life gets a churning. And when the churning occurs, we often see it as, you know, life events, things we don't like, things that are poking us in the side, things that annoy us, obsessions. Sometimes you'll see people being pulled into the world, work, work, work, work, work, obsessed with how much they're making or making changes or redoing their home. And it appears to be an external pull. But Rahu, the sneaky part, is that even though Rahu is about our interface with the world and where we're being pulled into the world or annoyed by the world events around us, this ends up being a place that catapults us on our spiritual path because if we can find peace in the name of that, that thing, the obsession, the irritation. We are catapulted on our spiritual path and we are reversing patterns at an exponential rate. Wow. Can I ask, do you have Rahu in your chart? Everybody does. Okay, everybody has a Rahu. Yeah, everybody, because every six months there are eclipses. They're called the mega red days in the conscious calendar system. You know, before everybody was talking about the eclipses, remember I designed the system over 10 years ago. So it wasn't like as commonly spoken about of like, what are you doing on the eclipse? So the eclipses occur every six months, like clockwork. There are not total solar eclipses, everyone, there's partial lunar and partial solar, but every six months. And so there's a theme in everyone's life for 18 months. The theme is the stirring in our life. Now, if that is not stirring a place where we have some, what are called nato planets or something in our birth chart, it's like, ah, your neighbors having a hard time, friends are having a hard time. There's like a little something at work, but it's not a big deal. So sometimes we get a reprieve for about 18 months. And then there are other times where like, we're in it, our partners in it, our friends are in it, our job is in it, like, there's change everywhere. We're being challenged everywhere and you just got to keep rising to the occasion. And guess what? All that stuff is the stuff of life that when we look back, those are important lights of passage, the move or the children or the career change. That's the stuff of life, people. We wouldn't not want that. Even though it's uncomfortable to the theme of the day. Yeah, because therein lies change and change is often actually very good. Very good. Exactly. Being comfortable is, yeah, nothing happens. And so what do you see coming up? For our planet. What's going to be coming up over, you know, I don't know if this is too big a question over the next year, but just some general patterns that you might be aware of anything regarding, you know, country or politics, anything regarding wealth or romance or anything karmically or health wise, I am super open to learn from you what your perception and your brilliance shows is going to be happening. Well, what I'll do is I'll weave together a few things. I very often, I apologize, I'm used to speaking globally, but I do know the US chart so well that I very often speak from the point of view of the US chart, which does affect global markets. So one of the things is that's so interesting is that over a year ago I was talking about the golden zone. The golden zone is when all these like powerful planets, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury are in great places. And all I know is I call it the golden zone and it's sort of like good stuff happens. Well, we have had the golden zone through pretty much the first week of November and lo and behold, the US markets been doing pretty well, even despite the trade wars. Now, yes, the economists out there know that we just dumped a bunch of money in the economy the other day. And the thing that that is true is that Jupiter and Saturn set these larger gold global patterns. Jupiter sets usually rhythm for a year, and Saturn sets a rhythm for two and a half years. There's something significant that has occurred, right recently that is combining tumult and change, a change in what you could say, world systems, but not in a revolutionary kind of way, but rather in a finance and work way. It's no surprise that, you know, work is not what it used to be. And more and more people are moving to technology. I've gotten has said for years that most average workers will be working two to three jobs and they will be service based industries in technology or using technology of some form. This is definitely been the trend for the last two and a half years because Saturn and K2 are in Sagittarius. This in the Vedic system. The constellation sound a little different. And in the end of January, this theme for the next two and a half years is shifting. And that is shifting in a way that during 2020, there's an overlap of a pattern that existed when Obama was born. Saturn and Jupiter in Capricorn are coming later in 2020. This translates to be two different things. Yeah, so a lot of people, you know, my sister was born the same year as Obama exactly Saturn Jupiter are coming together into Capricorn. And what this does is this actually brings a full circle to not tapping out, but reinventing what and how petroleum will be used. It will affect the US economy. The US economy will likely the GDP will probably stabilize and decrease a little bit for various reasons but I just read the planets. And so, and so that will be the case for probably two and a half years but Saturn moves slowly so we won't see the effect in the economy, probably until middle of 2020, which is when the eclipses are. And at the same time there is temporary protection because Jupiter will come in. So people who are in small businesses actually ironically enough will be a little buffered for a little longer. That's a sector that will be a little safer. Now I of course jump to economy a bit, but at the same time I really love bringing it back to what I was talking about which is how work changes for everyone. This is a huge global change. This is going to alter for every single person. And we will also see a division where, as we suspect, there will be plenty of people who are like, yeah, I want the unplugged way to work. Because with all of these planets and an earth sign there are going to be plenty of people to say, I'm going off grid. I want to do work off grid. And then they may hand those products, those ways of life, those experiences off to people who have technology So everybody come over here. Go have an event that's off grid. Go have an experience and reconnect with not being dialed in. So I think we'll see a division but they will actually still speak with each other and can support each other. So if you, you know, so for people who've been called to kind of unplug versus the ones that you know are like, Hey, this is a whole new industry. I just kind of rift a little bit, but I have to ask you because you piqued my interest when you started talking about Obama and the cycle coming back, because that's an election. So what do you perceive is going to happen this do we have any, I have to be honest, I For my own sanity. Have not looked really closely. We'll wait until we have the absolute front runners. Okay, I take a look at those. But what we can say is that, you know, I have some colleagues who actually had thought that that things would already have changed in relation to the current Impeachment. Yeah, and that there would have been even bigger things coming down the pike. So, what I can say is the return to basics and helping middle class workers, whoever can speak to that sector, especially because the economy is going to stabilize and start to go down, whoever can speak to that sector is going to be the one who wins. And we cannot forget that the nation's chart was built on quite frankly agriculture and subsidies for agriculture. So this is at the key to the whole piece is it and the change of the job market that is the center. Okay, I feel a glimmer of hope and light. Thank you very much. I needed that because I was watching the news today and it's just back to my happy place. Go to your happy place. That's right. Yeah. 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