 All right, so we'll call the meeting to order. Still don't have everybody that we expect to be here, but. We are six o'clock, so we'll get started. First on the agenda is to approve the agenda. The agenda tonight is to go over the town. The first half is to go over the town meeting day informational pieces of the budget and. And the articles and then to follow that up with our normal. Scheduled meeting, which tonight isn't very large. So. And then to be done. So. Unless anybody has anything to add or amend to the agenda, I just need a motion to accept it. Okay. I'll go ahead and see. The university assigned on. University of Lindley. Second. My favor. Right. And we will probably, we, we had an informational hearing a week ago. I'll probably breeze right through the articles kind of quickly. And then we'll move on to the budget. And then we'll move on to the budget. The select board open positions. Once again, we'll allow the candidates if they are here to. To go ahead and take a five minute or less. Introduction of themselves. And probably since. Since Wayne went first last time, we'll let Jean go first this time if he's here. Just makes a fair that way. And then. And then we'll move on to the budget. And then we'll move on to the budget. And then we'll move on to the budget. And then we'll move on to the budget view of the budget. You know, kind of overall revenues costs differences. And then any, any, any reasons for the differences that are in the budget. If anybody has any questions. In a certain department or something like that, we can answer those at that time. And. And then we'll be done. And we'll move on to the second part of it. If anybody joins by phone that we don't know, like we can, everybody else currently has a name on it. But if there's somebody who's joined by a phone, I think we should ask who it is just to identify him for the minutes. And sure, since I have to take the minutes tonight, because Lisa's out if I get, you know, I need you to stop for a second. So I can catch up. We'll do that. But just if you see anyone sign on, it's a last time in the minutes, we had to put a phone number in because we didn't know who it was. So. I don't think we should stop and ask if that's everybody's good with that. Sounds good. Hey, it's Robert Franks up at Hooper Hollow Road. Hello. I wanted to say hello to you and Theresa and Dave. Hey, Dave, how are you? Not too bad. I'm sorry. I stepped away. I know there were, you were organizing the agenda. I just want to share with the town, I just want to thank you for that. It's been an excellent job this winter. Oh, good, good to hear. Can you share that with them? Because I try to wave to Dave and run down and thank them, but. He doesn't work and gets out of here. Okay. I'd be happy to tell him, Robert. Thank you. Thanks, Theresa. Thank you. Here. It's been definitely a challenging winner with all the different events that we've had. So. Well they're doing a great job and like today we were supposed to get an inch of snow and I think we have five now so all right welcome to Vermont that's kind of the new joke now the road crew we say we're gonna get between an inch and 22 inches so that's an inch and a foot yeah we just don't seem to know from they don't know so we're uh so we kind of joke about it who are they anyway yeah I you mean the road the weather man yeah I don't know I'm just kidding Curie but no you're right I know we couldn't be wrong that often and keep our jobs but somehow they manage so but yeah partly cloudy partly sunny what's up with that yeah so I appreciate it and I will make sure that Dave and and the Allen those guys know so thank you you're welcome so we the first part of the warning you know the first is is town moderator I believe that that hasn't changed and that and that we're looking at the same moderator as usual so Mr. Benson I believe there's only one on that one and then there's a town clerk town treasurer which normally it's the same nominee for each position and Pam Brown is will be on the ballot for that one um as she's our current one and then we have two select board positions the way they're staggered there's always two select board positions that come available at each turn so the first one's a three-year term to succeed Moe because Moe was decided to retire from his position after all his many years of experience and and dedication to the board he's taken all his comp time somewhere so um and then currently we have Wayne Townsend and Gene Cross that are running for that seat and that's a three-year seat and uh and then we have another select board position for a two-year term which is currently the is currently the seat that I'm in and and Brady is chewing a really loud bone tonight so I can hear my feet so and then we're going to get into the the listers there's two different listers pieces on here currently there are no listers assigned to the ballot the first is a three-year term with a lister that is not running and then the second one is a two-year term lister position of which at this point Luis is running as a writing candidate for that piece yep we have the to elect the the grandeur which the grandeur is still Stan Capron Stan Capron and he's running unopposed yeah and the um elect the trustee of public funds is vacant which is vacant that was Penny Griffin's spot and I don't believe there's nobody on the ballot for that one correct no no and then we get to the budget so at this point what we'll do is last time we let Gene and Wayne kind of just talk about themselves a little bit for anybody that's new to the town or new to the process typically our process is a really you know Bethel has a really unique you know old process of you know doing everything from the floor which is you know for anybody that hasn't been a part of the small town of Bethel you know a majority of towns across the United States and Vermont do things mostly by um Australian ballot so that's you know a lot of a lot of things done remotely um and then on town meeting day going cast and ballot and Bethel we typically we do a because we're a small community we're able to gather usually at the gymnasium and go through all of our town meeting days and everything is done through the floor so electing our candidates all of our elections are done from the floor as well as all the ballot the budget and and all the items are done that way but due to COVID this year we're not able to host in the gymnasium just due to the amount of occupants that we could have it wouldn't be fair we would probably be able to have more than 40 people so we chose to or allows the select board this year to chose from that which we did Australian ballot so typically you would see Wayne and Jean on town meeting day they would during that time somebody would just make a motion to nominate somebody and they would second and then you know then you would have a candidate or two or three or however many and then after everybody gets an opportunity to speak for a couple of minutes from the floor if they choose to and then and then we will either depending on how many people but sometimes it's a voice vote and then if it's too close and it goes to a ballot so this year because we're doing everything through Australian ballot we have allowed the candidates to at each meeting to just you know give a couple of minutes about themselves why they're running and and so at this point I was going to let Jean cross go first I don't see him on because we had Wayne go first last time but Wayne if you're ready Owen's raising his hand hey Chris what happens for all those seats that aren't filled like does somebody else do those roles or what so what happens through the election process a town government is so first first we go to ballots so oh the other thing I just want to say if you are on the phone and you're not talking just make sure we mute mute because even though you may not be saying anything the feedback through the through the comms is a little sketchy at best so so typically what is if you're elected through the ballot or on the ballot and we get some feedback from somebody or you or you can do a right in piece which in this case depending on how many or voter registration it's a percentage of the voter registration which think in this case we're saying somewhere around 16 people so you'd have to at least have 16 people that would that would do a right in for a piece if at at the end if there are still vacant positions which we anticipate there will be and then usually what we'll do is advertise it and then depending on if anybody puts their name in or if they're qualified or then the select board will appoint so they'll be appointees so the select board would appoint is it is it for the whole term trees or is it just for that year it's just for that year year yeah following town meeting so like we sure there'll be a list or opening and so we know we're gonna have a couple openings and but we that's what the select board will advertise they'll interview and then they'll go from there I mean right now we're expecting there will be a list or position open and then probably the trustee of public funds is that sound right trees yep so um on that before um with the appointing positions if they're not filled on town meeting day so when somebody gets appointed it's Robert Teresa you mentioned a position regarding some type of financial um responsibility that's vacant no one's running for it can you can you tell me what that was again it's the trustee of public funds and that currently is Carol Ketchum Penny Griffin and Rick Benson and they manage cemetery money um they manage a couple of bequests so they don't run the town budget they have limited you know money that they look that they um that they oversee so there's there's no one running for that position as we speak right I know there's at least one person interested in it so what'll happen is if no one run wins the write-in no one does a write-in and campaign excuse me then what'll happen is the select board or myself will reach out to the current public the trustees of public funds Carol Ketchum Rick Benson will take any applications and we'll run them by that those two on that board and then um we'll get we'll interview and they'll get their recommendation so it's they're not actually overseeing the big chunks of the town budget Robert it's just cemetery money a couple of bequests things like that okay I understand okay thank you you're welcome I had one more question which is just uh just because I don't know um when somebody gets appointed do they how do you do they get to agree to that and like how do you okay how do you yeah if it's all right yes like say say you got written in for um somebody say someone wrote you in for something yeah and you got 15 or 16 votes or more you don't automatically get the position you have the right to say hey I did not campaign for that I don't want it if someone is appointed they have they have put their hat in the ring and probably supplied a resume or answered some questions um and they want to be appointed David he was appointed when for when somebody got done he interviewed the select board interviewed a few people and and he was appointed for his first year and then he ran in March so so what we'll do um I do see that Jean just popped on Wayne so Jean uh we were at the point um right now where we were talking about candidates for the open position and um I had I had spoke that last time I'd let Wayne go first um so this time I was going to let you have the opportunity to go first make fair and you weren't here so I was going to have Wayne go but now that I see you pop on if you're good why don't you uh just tell us a little bit about yourself Jean and and why you're running for the position uh thank you for the invitation and thank you for the opportunity um a little bit about me uh in a nutshell is that I've had uh uh an adult lifetime experience in a variety of places in a variety of communities all of which have taught me how to relate to other people how uh different communities address different kinds of problems I really appreciate the whole idea of uh town meetings and uh the democracy that really flows uh in those and the democracy the person-to-person kind of democracy that I have found here and chosen here uh in Vermont uh this is a great community uh I am really really really glad that it's one that I chose I think one of the things that Bethel needs uh above all else is this recommitment and rediscovery of revitalization and how that can impact us all and that does not only mean uh bringing new people and new families into the community uh that will benefit us all but it also means retaining those that we already have especially those who are being negatively hit by the coronavirus uh one of my favorite places to eat uh in Bethel has been the Creek House diner and we have not seen that open since everything was shut down I want to see that uh thrive I want to see uh everything on main street thrive I want to see uh this community uh with the revitalization of the sense of community that we've enjoyed since Irene but I also want to see uh our small businesses thrive in ways that uh this virus has prevented them three things one a welcoming community welcoming to new businesses welcoming to new families second uh this select board using and leveraging all of its boards and committees and neighborhood or our community organizations to do what they can to address that issue and third uh reaching out as a select board and as a town to apply for and receive and put to good use all of the uh state and federal resources that we can marshal grants from private organizations in order to make that happen I would be honored uh to serve on the select board uh and I would be honored to uh speak for all of Bethel's residents uh those that I've known for years and those that I are still newcomers to me so that's who I am and that's what I will try to bring all right thank you jean hey jean this is this is robert yes can you hear me yes I can so if you were given the keys to the town of Bethel and with regards to revitalization what would be the first three things you would do in the in the category of revitalization like three you got the key and you can do with you what would you do I think one of the first things uh and well all of these may uh require a bit of investment on our part uh above and beyond what we have already been able to do uh the first is uh parking in the downtown area uh I would like to uh explore in a in a serious way what it would take to add uh parking uh to the current municipal lot it's centrally located it's available to all of the businesses that are down there and I know that that is an issue that is present every time somebody wants to develop downtown because of the zoning regulations so whatever we could do as a town to address that that would be one second I would want to explore what it might mean even if we had to uh join with other communities to have a professional development of expert who was contracted to help us explore some of the real concrete ways that revitalization might happen and how what the the grants and so on and so forth might be available to us I know that uh BRI has been doing a lot with grants to help us I would like to explore uh what it might mean for us and for some other small communities in the area uh to engage someone whose goal and and whole life journey was around that uh third I uh is the whole question of how do we use the resources that we already have and the buildings that we already have in this community how do we uh leverage those and work with their owners landlords to help us embark on a on a project the downtown development project that is good for all that's and and helps all whatever extent we can work with those current landowners property owners businesses uh to uh make it possible for people to invest to develop those properties where they need developing uh I would be all for it so those would be three things I would do if I had the keys so uh Gene the where's the municipal parking lot uh by the town hall that's what I'm talking about okay so between the town hall and the bank okay so um the taxpayers of Bethel owns the town hall where we spent millions of dollars to rehab it right it's empty it's not used right it sits day after day after day and it's it's a no it's not something to laugh about no I know uh so I could come through Bethel and that is the keystone to our town I love the clock I've been all through the building and sadly Therese and everyone else sits down and uh at the at that little building at the beginning of Rochester or Bethel they can't keep the mud off it they deserve a nice working space we provided all that and I have friends that invested and gave money to the town of Bethel to make that building proper so I would recommend that if you become the select board member that um we move Therese and Kelly and all the good and Pam into our official town building which we spent millions and millions of dollars on uh we don't need to go to we don't need to start focusing on other people people's property to make it look pretty the town needs a a essential point to enter and be properly greeted in in very nice space um it's really it really it saddens me to know how much money we put into that building and it sits every single day so it's just a suggestion to everyone because I think the the leaders in the town Therese and all the guys and gals that do what they do they deserve proper and not only that our legislative meeting is held in I don't know who owns the building or wherever there's not enough space to even sit there to negotiate and converse over serious issues whether it's Dick McCormick and all the representatives they all gather we're all sitting on top of each other in this little tiny room meanwhile we have a what three four million dollar reconstruction of our town building and it sits two seconds away and by the way we can't part you know so it's it's a suggestion to everyone that's present this evening because here's the thing Bethel is a linear town it's a narrow town it's on the edge of a river so what I would recommend to everyone is that we need a we need an anchor which is proper and professional to greet people because we don't have a town we don't have a a town green we don't have the space for it we're on a river bank so it's just a suggestion to everyone and if you you know if you if you if you're elected for select board I would really seriously bank on the money that was spent to fix the town hall so that we can all know that's our place to go that sounds good Robert we'll we'll keep that under advisement and we'll we'll circle wagons on why I know there was a list of reasons why we don't use that as our town office I heard I heard that the the reason why we're not using the town hall offices is because the safe would cost money to move from where the the little yellow building is up to the town hall may I respond Chris well you can I just want to try to make sure that we keep everything to our timeline I can be brief two things one or three things one I am well aware that the current select board has looked at the their uses of the town hall and has made some decisions related to that that's not to say we shouldn't revisit that this the second thing is that respecting those decisions that have already been made with regard to all of the major properties building properties that the town owns and administrate ministers the town office the town garage and the town hall I would like to I would suggest that the select board take a look at all of that and see what the most effective way is to use current properties is so that a there is a healthy warm inviting place for town offices and there and our employees b buildings that are used to their utmost and and that brings me to the third thing I would love to see the town hall used the big meeting room area used far more than it already is and that might include things like the summer music program that we have on the the by the white church that that be continued year round in the town hall that we sponsor or invite some theatrical groups that are putting together dramas in nearby communities invite them to put something on in our town hall and to bring people into the town hall on a more regular basis and on and use that facility rather than just letting it sit there empty for most of the time those are three things that I would love to see happen I can't speak for any of the other select board members but I know that those are issues that have been before the select board for some time now and I want to join with them and and and help to make sure that we move forward spending the least amount that will get the job done and get it done right so with regards is it true Chris that one of the issues why Therese and everybody's down at the town clerk's office is it really the safe the cost of the safe to be transported to the town hall because if that if that's a cost I will raise the money then make certain that the safe is moved and placed properly in our town hall I will do that I will raise the funds to make certain that happens if that's the only issue what what I can't imagine any other issue why Therese and everybody's not in their town hall I can answer a piece of that Robert is that when your town hall was revitalized the select board made an a lease agreement with the historical society so there was there's a lease agreement with the historical society they rent to that space they pay the town I think 200 a month so apparently during it was talked about to move the town office there and I believe they had remodeled done a little bit of a plan to do so and I don't know what happened to that plan during the construction and the layout of town hall but to clarify you don't move a safe those safer concrete blocks they're actually built you know into the building so if they were going to move your town office they would have built the safe the vault while they were remodeling and they didn't do that and right now you have an ongoing lease with the town with a historical society which takes one of the big rooms downstairs so currently the way that the town hall is set up you can't move us in there because the way the layout is it's just not space now so that's what I know about it certainly Chris may know more than I do you're saying that the historical society has more jurisdiction over our town hall than than our taxpayers know what I'm saying is that there's a select board prior to this one signed a lease with them that's all I'm saying well well we'll make sure Robert that we you know that we look at that and again I mean you know for anybody that knows you know the most recent board that we have here that you know we are more than willing to you know circle the waggings and look at things again just like we've been doing with policies and you know look at different opportunities and and what I'll do is I'll I'll talk with some of the committee members that were on the town hit town hall committee to find out some of the information of why they chose not to to include the town office inside there and I'll I'll get back to on that Robert does that sound fair I think it's very fair but I think whoever was on that board and dismissed the the design after all the money that was poured in there and yeah our people that run our town can't be in the building that the town that other people paid for is absolutely so I don't know who those people are but they made a huge mistake yeah yeah and I know when I got on the board that I I had questions of why why that building wasn't one in the same and you know I ran into some of those same hurdles so I'll I'll circle up with I know two of the individuals that were on the original town hall committee and I will I'll touch base with them and find out and I'll get you back some information Robert and I'm sure we can add it to our our meetings here once we get over the hump here and in March so so I just want to now just give Wayne Wayne a little bit of talk about himself why he's running and okay out against my on yet yep out of consideration for my board members to help them get back on track with the busy agenda that you have tonight getting through the town budget I'll just give a quick rundown through those quest same questions for one I would reach out to our business eminerpreneurs um to come up with ideas to get them to locate into our downtown for two I would help them jump through some of the hoops that they need to jump through to get the licenses and stuff that permits that they may need to establish a business in my community for three I would work to make it known that they were here so that we could use our buy here stay here tech techs and then for the thing with the town hall and stuff I would look at different um what we have for options for what we have at hand that we own so that we can revitalize and come up with different uses for things if it's feasible for our town then now on to me I'm just going to read a little something that I wrote to speed things up here a little bit hi I'm Wayne Townsend for those of you that know me know that this is not my first campaign I ran for the state senate in 2018 against senator Richard McCormick I then ran in 2020 for the house of representatives against Kurt White I have always based my campaigns on who I am I ran each and every campaign myself I didn't have a team putting together a committee with part of seeing politics like what we've seen in this race for the select board put into action by state senator Richard McCormick and with the partisan support from representative Kurt White I don't have a group of people telling me what to say what I can say is I am real and I have the ability to think with my own mind I think our state representatives time would be better spent doing the job that they were elected to do and trying to bring something back to our community rather than interfering with the town election partisan politics has no place in our town government I have also recognized my opponent's use of key words targeting of people that may have a difference in any of my campaigns I have never used the terms Black Lives Matter or LGBTQ for a reason I respect people for who they are rather than target people for the color of their skin or their sexual preference by my not targeting individuals to me shows respect for every community member however I use the term newcomer so I will elaborate on that to me new faces in our community is a good thing we want people to be welcome in our community needed in our community I always let look to get acquainted and learn from them and I also teach them from lifelong experiences here things that may help them better survive our different seasons I know that a select board position is not always going to be easy as a five member board I also realize I may have to decide the filibuster and I will do this with careful consideration of what's best for the biggest portion of our community by listening to all specs of said article I also understand the responsibilities of being the select board member sometimes things may come up that requires more time than usual I also know at times we will need to get out in the field to get a better understanding of the issue select board members have a tremendous amount of responsibility for the least amount of pay what a select board position means to me is giving something back to my community to make this a safe welcoming friendly place to be for ourselves in our future generations I am Wayne Townsend and I would appreciate your consideration to elect me to represent you thank you now you can get back to your agenda all right well thank you Wayne I still think the the best way of doing this whole thing should have been the school method that we all talked about where everybody interviews each other and right Lindley all right hi Doug welcome hi how y'all doing hey Doug it's Robert nice to see you hey Robert nice seeing you guys too hey Doug good to see you thank you so we'll just um oh you know meetings are always either behind or whatever I mean normally at this time last time I just kind of gave a brief little synopsis of myself um you know nope I'm running unopposed this time around um all those in favor say aye yeah um but you know basically a little bit and you know a little bit about well I think most people know a lot about myself but a little bit about I came on the board you know the town of Bethel was in a critical time in its you know existence where you know we were left with the remnants of Irene um we had we had an administration that was kind of lost at that time and you know we had a lot of budgeting issues and a lot of the non-flashy things um all you know the behind the scenes things that people don't see so um my expertise uh and what I do every day is you know budgets numbers I'm a big number person you know how to work with budgets balance budgets um you know actually get um you know actually get positive things out of our hard-earned tax money make sure it doesn't go to waste so and and it's hard because you can't really talk about yourself when you're on a board um as we talked about before you know these boards and I I go around the state um in my capacity at my job and I see I'm at a lot of boards because I have to sign contracts and and um you know use the only way a successful board works is that everybody has to um come with an open mind um it's wonderful that you know just like our board right now we have members from you know all walks of life but yeah really you have to come there with an open mind put any partisan agenda pieces aside and and really you know what's in the best interest of the taxpayers themselves and citizens of the town so and that can be very hard I mean I see everywhere I go where there's a five person board and there's two two people that don't like two other people you know and it's really damaging and I will say and Brady's backing me up here but um you know we've had a really good board and a lot of the items that we've gotten done here over the last three to five years really wouldn't have got done if we all come together so um so I you know mostly just want to thank you know the board members that I've been with um majority of them are on tonight um Carl um also was on the board for many years that's all right I'd yell at my child he him and the cat chasing each other around the house so um you know and a lot of the accomplishments that the board has has done over the last three or four years is really the things that it's not flashy it's not fun um it's not the you know what what nice shop you know should we open in the downtown or how can we you know a lot of these things are really just the ugly things like a water system that had been neglected for decades um you know uh budgets that were out of control deficits spending policies that were just ancient um that were not doing any good to anybody in the town so um I think some of the nice things now is we finally getting out of that murky mucky water um and we're starting to work on some of the new flashy things like what we're working on right now with the you know a new highway garage that is well needed um definitely we'll be looking at things about you know where does the town office go things like what Robert had talked about can can we use the town hall better um can we put our town office in there so um and you know even though it doesn't look at if you look at the downtown businesses you know we still have a lot of empty shops that we'd like to see full but over the last couple of years we we finally have ownership down there we have you know we have you know Owen and Jesse with babes bar and we've seen um the old um Ruth Clough building um get purchased and now remodeled um you know uh Lindley and her group had purchased the Arnold block so we're starting to see at least ownership into the buildings and now they're you know these things are big dinosaurs right Lindley so they're you know they take a lot of investment and time to to revitalize these buildings and you know at least right now we have pretty good ownership in the downtown and now like what Jean was saying just trying to support these businesses so that they can you know get on their feet 100 so um hey Chris too much time so Robert can you hear me yep well Wayne Townsend brought something up about getting out in the field and visiting with citizens and taxpayers and um Therese I think you might we all know that there was some major work done Hooper Hollow Road which is what's cost a lot of money and Chris and Therese visited with me and I have to just say this to everyone present is that when Chris approached me I knew he was a leader I knew it in my heart and Therese is too and we had our conversation we didn't get everything we needed done but we got as much as we could done done right Chris great yep you did a great job so did Therese and so it goes back to Wayne it's like there are people out in the outer banks of Bethel that need help and it was so nice that you showed up here that day and spent an hour with me um just discussing what we accomplished and what we didn't but we did it we did a good job and Doug was out here last week looking at the road making sure it was good right Doug looking for a white rabbit I'm looking for a white rabbit that's exactly yeah so I just want to put kudos out to you Chris and Therese because I think you guys are doing a great job and Chris you were born with leadership in your in your heart well thank you Robert means a lot that you know like we say a lot of times and you know in public positions of slack board or you know school board or things like that a lot of times you don't you don't hear a lot of the good things you usually hear when you're not doing so well so it's always nice that you hear the good things in this position so well you're you're very deserving of of goodness well thank you and we will I'm gonna next we see here we got the the budget to go through so first what I like to do um if you have your books I can just reference pages as we're going um again when I you know set the beginning we'll just kind of go through this on a macro level yeah if if there is any further discussions on drilling into a a certain department or a certain item just you know during the appropriate time just feel free to raise your hand and we can talk about it um so the first piece is you know go with the revenues of the town and as we most of us understand with any type of budget that a majority of the revenues um at the town level are done through taxpayer money but the the first piece of the revenue is actually what we call the local revenue source which local revenues are things of um town clerk services um class highway money um you know that admin type stuff that we collect from different departments so um at you know which is only a little over 400 000 of our total revenue a year so it's a smaller piece of the pie the the revenues don't usually change much as it's not this year the revenue base is up about $3,500 from last year um so it's pretty much staying the same there was really no no major movers um on that on that piece and then moving over to the moving over to the budget side on the cost the um you know public works right now you know we we had um we kind of had a couple of individuals that had gotten done in their positions in late fall which is always kind of a really tough time to try and hire anybody so what we have currently is we have two really awesome um seasonal helpers that are helping us maintain roads um you know one of them is up in roberts area um you know these guys like you know they they are they're my boys that work for me during the summertime but um you know they're really excellent helpers um the budget currently reflects currently reflects putting our public works department back to full strength which also means that we have to make sure that we cover things like health insurance and and things like that and when we don't know who the candidates are that we might get we have to prepare for the worst so that means we need to make sure that if we're looking to hire two individuals that both individuals we're going to assume is going to get full health care and benefits through us um now that's not always the case and often you know we may hire one that needs a family plan and one that just takes no insurance at all so so that the difference that you see in the public works personnel is just adding one um one uh insurance benefits package in it the town owner equipment as we've talked about we continue to we have some aging equipment that needs more service um one thing that terry said a really good job of this year was starting a an equipment committee so the equipment committee is made up of citizens of the town that most of them have you know an excavation type business or you know have some sort of expertise and you know what type of equipment is adequate for town roads and when should we be replacing these um which you know you don't really see the dividends in the short end but we definitely will see it long term that's for sure um so we hope that over time that we're going to be able to phase in the new equipment and that right now our repairs and parks and tires and things like that that those costs will come down over time but right now we got to get over the hump um so the difference uh that that increase this year was just an extra 10 000 for the um for some extra repair costs as well as um there's a repeater system up on north road that that we desperately needed that's uh going to be installed that's that way we keep communications with our trucks um materials um you know we as we saw a couple years ago we were at our all-time high in this town when it came to salt sand um we also went through a couple really rough winners too um but we uh through through education um and reaching out to others you know we've been able to limit our salt um our salt um purchasing and and lay down over the last years just by recalibrating um the equipment um other things there's certain roads that maybe we use salt before that we don't use now or maybe there were some processes of you know cutting snow using salt that we may not do now um so we've been using a lot more sand and less salt um sand is much cheaper than salt as we all know so we've continued to see the savings on that and then the unfortunately we had we had the spring flood event of 2019 um for everybody that lived in you know mostly liliesville um christian hill um sanders road um and and those pieces gillian you know they knew that there was quite a bit of damage that happened to our roads and bridges it was right now by time we're all said and done it was over it's over a million dollars worth of work that had either has been done or is in the process of being done but we are on the hook for 12 and a half percent of that so uh what the board has been doing last year as well as this year's we've been paying that debt off so rather than just take a loan and stretch it out over you know 10 years or 20 years uh we've been paying that debt off so last year we paid off about 118,000 I believe was the number three and then and then the piece that we finished up doing this year was about 43,000 dollars worth of work so that's all been budgeted and we have one last piece which is the panella bridge which we're working on that so we'll have one more year and then we should have our eras paid yeah and that'll be the for both the permanent and the temporary for panello and so that has been drafted but sent to FEMA for to go through mitigation because I'm not sure they're going to agree with our you know less expensive routes so we're sending it to mitigation to get feedback and then hopefully in the perfect world we'll wrap that up this year so then yeah then that'll take care of it because this is the portion just on the p-vine piece alone right hey chris it's robert um i've been wondering why since uh Irene it's an expensive cost but i think every town in in vermont should have like terry should have control of a satellite phone okay so when the grid goes down um therese can make calls out to people it's an expense but it's a very important thing because what happened in texas this past week they cannot communicate so since Irene i requested why i suggested this to rochester to get someone the select board member the state rep someone to have a satellite phone it won't be used every day but when disaster happens you can be in touch with dave on the truck you can be in touch with the select board you can communicate and um just waiting for the next disaster like down in liliesville that you just mentioned chris um without a satellite phone you're cooked because so i don't know what i i don't know what it cost per month to own a satellite phone but i would rather see more money proposed for a satellite phone in the town of rochester controlled by therese or kelly or somebody or pam rather than everyone paying 82 of their tax rate for the school system you know we actually don't have a satellite phone but we do myself in the fire chief have through emergency management what are called getz cards g ets cards and what happens is that would give both of us access to phone service so even if the grid is down or like you had an Irene uh there's a number that we can call and we can um in an emergency situation get access to the grid so and we only pay for it if we need it so luckily the good news is in betha we now have two new satellites um one at the town garage and one up on dearing so our cell service is good but if something happened that we do have getz cards uh robert so i we do have options for in an emergency and and it's also something that you know every year we we go through and update our emergency management plan so it's definitely something that the board um and terese and and the fire chief can um you know look at talk about and see if that's you know something that we need further than what we currently have but um um the um fire department really didn't change much um the last couple years we've had some pretty large grants that we've done um with the fire department um we did all the apparatuses last year this year um we don't need to so the budget's pretty flat and that one constable the only thing um really that changed there that as we talked last time is we're updating the two flash and speed signs um the signs that we had purchased i want to say around five years ago we're done so with a grant but they were also kind of the systems that run on batteries they're not really a long term uh speed sign where the ones that we're proposing here would have solar capabilities so we'll be able to um going forward they'll be able to charge themselves rather than have to constantly take the batteries out and charge them and well they say they last longer we'll wait and see but um i think they're more affordable but other than that one of them has now had what we're coining a catastrophic failure so i don't want to spend 700 on a motherboard for one so yeah you're cheaper now they were six grand apiece before so now they're a little more affordable so i think you're right chris i'm not sure they do the new ones do the new ones give us the output um the the other ones used to give us a report if we requested it or worked it out through through whatever to get a report on speed over cost of time um do the new ones do that too or do we know i actually i can't remember i'd have to look at the literature i can't tell you off the top of my head because we looked at several models and um so i i'll make a note to find out paul and email you but we used to be able to download a report that showed um average speeds and whatnot i can't tell you off the top of my head so i'll look and then email you thank you i believe i believe just about all those models paul they allow you to pull the data from them the only difference is is the method in which you can pull the data so it may either be um you have to go physically to the box to pull the data they do have some that do have like uh like a bluetooth type system where you can pull the data remotely but uh rec department's pretty flat uh no changes there uh park the public places the big change there was that um as we talked about that the stone wall in front of the municipal parking lot is um is due for maintenance so we have um set aside $10,000 in there to at least start some of the maintenance on that wall um this year um so that's the increase um on that piece the minimal school office is virtually the same um not much of a difference there the same with town halls and as we talked about before paul didn't want to increase the select board rates so wait a minute wait a minute that's such a late yeah yeah all the comp time that you could ever want um the lister budget's still the same however we did put in $10,000 worth of assessor services um just because we do currently expect well the likelihood is we are going to have one less lister so there may be the opportunity where we may have to use some third party lister services um so we have budgeted for that if that does happen we also budgeted for that the budget that we're currently in that we haven't had to use that yet um government operations is down um a piece of that is legal we um as we discussed last time we had legal is a tough one to budget for because most years you may only use a thousand or two thousand dollars of legal just you know for looking at contracts or looking at agreements um but every once in a while we had three or four years ago you know we had some water water litigation and um and uh what was that a storm uh we had two different litigations that was like 40 or 50 thousand dollars um so at that time the board decided to start putting more money into it um and then the last couple years we you know kind of ratcheted down a little bit we're still higher than where we were before but um we kind of looked at that so we chopped 10,000 out of that this year the um the other big movers here was um the reappraisal the you know the town of Bethel's going to have to do a reappraisal and we are you know anywhere between one and three years away from that um that that usually comes to fund the reappraisal usually comes in two forms the first form is is the the part that comes from the state so we get money from the state um that we tuck aside into a reappraisal fund and the second piece is is the match to that which is our money um the reappraisal that we estimate is probably going to be somewhere around 300,000 dollars to have it done and we currently have 165,800 so so we're starting to uh we started this reappraisal fund last year um you know this is again like I talked about before you know there there are definitely policies and procedures that we have you know updated and changed and funds and things that we should have had years ago where every year we put a little piece of our budget aside for the next reappraisal um we yeah was that last year that we vote was it last year the year before that we voted to you all how you had a reappraisal fund but we changed but we had to revote it to add you were only putting act 60 money in it and then we were voting to put appropriations I think we've done it two years last year well because we had to vote at town meeting to allow the capital fund wording to change and I I can't remember if that was last year or the year before frankly the loss but I think it's a year before before okay thank you so yeah so we have 165,000 in it not including obviously this 20 so we're getting there we're gonna yeah work our way to saving for it and it's definitely something I mean the um you know I I don't I don't even think we had a single fund in this town up until maybe five or six years ago um you know we just we funded four things when it happened so that's why you know a nice a nice budget is usually a nice bell curve so we're just um and you know our town for so long was you know we were spikes and valleys and spikes and valleys and none of these funds so we have several of these funds and I know they weren't they weren't as the townspeople weren't as receptive to the funds early on because they thought they would be like slush funds and worried about you know just money that's tucked aside that's mismanaged but you know these funds you know like the cruiser we have we have a bunch of them capital improvement funds equipment funds and and and this allows for long-term budgeting without major changes to the tax rates so um and this is just another one that you know had we been putting this money aside I think the average reappraisal is what 12 years or so so less but so had we been doing this over a larger period of time we've had to you know put less in it every year to budget so we're just trying to do catch up I think it's Robert there's a there's a huge elephant in the room and no one has uh reflected on it it's called education and what I want to put forth to everyone visiting us tonight 82 82 percent of property taxes go to the supervisory union and school taxes that needs to be cut by 40 percent I cannot imagine that 82 percent of property taxes that I will we all pay goes to education are you've got to be kidding well that's definitely something that you probably should and um you know talk to your local representatives we have um I'm talking to them now we don't control the education Robert Robert there's an open seat available on the Bethel board this year and there's no writing candy why don't you why don't you go for it hey Dave maybe I will but we can't afford 82 percent of our property taxes and then I think that's a discussion for a school board meeting yeah fortunately with us we don't have any any control over the school's budget um regards of how you know how it looks um but but wait a second so 82 percent of the taxpayers of Bethel goes to the supervisory union and the school system and you're you're saying that we have no control over it we're saying he's saying the select board has no control over that you as a voter have total control over that he's saying the select board doesn't have control but how about a taxpayer the same just you've got to vote it at the polls I mean that's this year's Australian ballot which I'm sure you're aware of what I think what Chris was saying Gene Robert is that the select board has no control over the school budget or that I'm very very very apparent I know about that and the select board cannot intrude into the school and the supervisor union but it is a burden on everyone I think the the next one Robert um they have one more informational meeting which I believe is on the 1st of March to go through their budget I I agree I think there is a very large burden I mean education of children is very important but the way we spend it is another and um but as far as like where where it is for this board here I mean the select board has no control and and the town has even less control because we have to write the check when they tell us to write the check so it's just uh okay but why why do you keep re-appraising property taxes to support the supervisor union for the non-education of the children 82 percent of property taxes are for education and you know Therese you no one has control over all that money flowing through up to the state no actually no the only um so we have re-appraised properties um not for necessarily for school tax I mean that's obviously a side effect but we certainly do it for us because we need to make sure that as people issue zoning permits and things the grand list of the new houses obviously we do re-appraisal to build the grand list um but no actually state statute says that when we in Bethel we collect four times a year as you know and we have to pay the school within 15 days of the due date the percentage of the tax that we've collected so if we've collected you know 90 percent we have to pay the school 90 percent then we do that for all four periods and then at June 30th we have to pay the school whatever we owe them regardless of the fact that we haven't collected it so like with delinquent taxes that entire burden falls for the town so we have to give the school their money by statute by June 30 even if we haven't collected it so that's you know above our pay grade in the legislature as as you know um but so when we reappraise property Robert it's also to help spread you know the tax rate properly throughout Bethel for for the municipal tax which is obviously a way you know much less smaller portion of what your school tax is but that's one of the reasons we don't keep up the grand list necessarily to support the school we do it to support our own tax rate does that answer your question Robert well it really doesn't because um Chris mentioned the cross between sand and salt we're as a town we're looking at the cost of sound sand and salt and we've got 82 percent of the of our tax property taxes going to the school system so why why can it not be 40 less so that Chris can say hey Alan go buy as much salt as you want yeah I mean I'm you need you need to speak to uh your rep your local and federal representatives because a lot I'm I'm not going to talk any more about this one thing a lot of those expenses are federal and state mandates unfunded mandates which the school board the select board and you have no control over now who collected well if I don't have control you don't have control Dave Chris doesn't have control and we're all trying to survive here who has control I think what they were saying there's six people you need to talk to guys you know again it's um you know I don't want to get too far off the um the agenda here but you know that that's really it's it you know that's that's why it's very important on on who you vote for representation to Montpelier um and if that's on a senator end or or house representative and or your governor I mean those those are the people that we have control over as as taxpayers and voters but once once the the laws are made and the mandates are handed down uh you know like Dave was saying at the select board level or or at the school board level a majority of it we're handicapped we can't do anything so it's an unfortunate situation I completely understand where you're coming from Robert but it's definitely not a discussion nothing that we're going to be able to solve here here with this board um uh we we do have um representative uh Kurt White that will be stopping in or has been stopping in on our board monthly Theresa that's on right yeah the last meeting of the month so I believe is he going to be at the next meeting no I put him to the end of March because okay I knew would go long so he's gonna come to the last meeting in March the second so we one thing we've started to do Robert is have our our newly appointed newly elected representative who actually lives in Bethel to attend our meetings on a monthly basis to give us feedback from Montpelier what might be coming down at the same time allows us to give a little feedback to him um so it may be a discussion um to have at that time but I just don't think it's anything we're gonna be able can I can I interrupt why is Kurt White not here and present this evening to discuss these matters before the town hall the town meeting where's Kurt where's this guy he was at our last budget informational last week on the 15th he normally comes to the second meeting of the month but um I actually asked him if we could push him off till till because he was already here for our first budget informational the one that was advertised in town report and so because I knew it took us two hours to get through this portion of our meeting on the 15th that we would um we wanted to move him to the you know the third but he definitely has a a website a phone number and all that you can contact him through the legislation if you want I can email you his contact information um but he was here last Monday so um that's why if I were if I were the new newly elected select board member or the state representative I think I would be present during this meeting tonight so here we go again well I you know I again I you know I I appreciate all your feedback Robert and and um I want to make sure we stay on target here and um so I want to get back to the budget um the only other thing in government operations that changed is we um we decreased the amount that we're going to appropriate into the capital improvement fund and you'll see that two pages from now that um that we decreased the amount that we're going to put in the capital improvement fund but we've increased the amount that we would pay out in the form of a loan payment for the um potential of the new town garage um that we're in the process of so we want to make sure we had the money available so if everything goes through we can start that um the um uh the the Bethel library um had a request in there to replace some of their computers because they're outdated um so we are fulfilling that need as well as the fall festival and Bethel um had requested some extra funding for them that we had put into this budget um I won't go through the human services portion because that's a couple of um items down here and then Paul can talk to any of those um same with the white river valley ambulance I'll skip those but the overall um overall um the costs are up if I round it to the nearest 100 costs are up 19 500 um over last year sorry 19 500 revenues are up 3 500 so the net the net increase to the taxpayers is $16 000 um normally when we're talking about what you know what does that mean for myself at my home paying taxes normally based on our grand list about every 19 400 is one penny on the tax rate so when we put this budget together we did so um uh knowing that we were still doing forward thinking um we're still going to get projects done um but also keeping some budget concerns in mind for the overall um citizen on taxes so we were looking that we were going to increase by one cent um after we had already put this budget together um just the way that goes the grand list gets kind of updated and based upon the grand list updating uh which the grand list updated itself by about 34 000 this year which is actually a pretty significant change year over year that the one cent um that we had anticipated as an increase for the budget actually is going to be about a one cent decrease um so that's how powerful the grand list can be um and that's why it's very critical to make sure we have listers and um and those people so so when we board members in mind we had it to be a one one cent increase and after the grand list where we where the listers anticipate the grand list to be um it's going to be about a penny savings at the municipal level um to stay on track with so that's kind of the overall budget um the next piece that um article 11 talks about is is the um human services piece um which uh paul valley um heads up that committee which is is normally the services in and around baffle that um that we appropriate money to each year um that they go towards helping out our citizens on a daily basis if that's transportation or or in other means in and around um paul did you want to just talk through that for a moment or two yeah um i'd like to like once again thanks to committee uh sandy farrell and st capron and our benevolent leader carol ketchum um it's been routine over the years that the town of bethle would support nonprofit organizations that have significant impact on bethle residents and so each year we asked them to submit to us requests uh for what they feel they would like to see come from the town we asked them for financial uh information and we also asked them to specify to us exactly what how many bethle residents or what impact they directly have on bethle residents and we go through a review process we get together and i think they're 17 or so that we're pretty much routinely ask us for support and the town has made a significant impact in some of these uh nonprofits and this year i think we're up uh is it three or five percent i think we also take a look at uh how it impacts the budget but we also know that we need to support a lot of these local nonprofits that uh really have a direct impact on the residents of um of bethle so if there are any questions i'd be more than happy to answer uh answer them so it's a three percent increase paul which has been looking back through has been about the average growth average human services over the years so this year we did decide uh there was one new addition the art bus had been supported in years past but had over the past several years not um submitted application for support and this year they came back they have new leadership and so we opted to support them a little but we also opted to support more towards the visiting nurse organization because you know certainly because of covid a lot of those organizations have seen um more stress than what they had seen in the past so we opted to increase some of the support for for a couple of those different organizations all right and i think that the biggest change that we're going to see on the human services end of things um as we discussed prior going through the australian ballot this year is that say it's an all or nothing um and years past there there was the opportunity for either a you know a citizen of the town or an individual representing one of these services to um to propose a change at town meeting day um or you know revise a number but that won't be the case this year so it's um you know we'll be the appropriations will be seventeen thousand two hundred and fifty dollars and it'll be exactly the way it's laid out there um with the individual services so there won't be any opportunities for any changes this year um the next one is the white river valley ambulance again we vote that line item separately that um that budget really hasn't changed year over year once again um and as we discussed last time that that budget's a little tricky because they give us their budget on a yearly calendar cycle where our budget you know we start um july 1st and go through june 30th so sometimes even if they give us an increase we may or may not see that increase all inside that budget season so um there's a little finagling with that budget to make it work um and then therese did a good job this year of in years past we just kind of always arbitrarily used the 15th of the quarter as the tax day which as we found in the past that might land on sunday or or you know or saturday or something like that or a holiday or so we um so therese made a couple of adjustments on that so two of the installments will be on the 16th you have august 16th november 15th february 15th and may 16th so and then the last article to be uh voted on was uh kind of goes with the installments of the payment um it's a separate item but um for ease well for ease to the taxpayers as well as our very complicated old antiquated dinosaur software that we use at the office um that we've asked uh to allow for a three-day grace period to you know to establish these payments of taxes um you know in the past it's if the 15th was on a sunday and you didn't have it here by sunday then monday you got it with penalties and interest um it's really more about i mean it's not antiquated software obviously keeps updates but it's just easier to it it's always so difficult you know when you have somebody mailing it in and then you know you're opening their mail that day and they're not late but you know the person who walked in the door um is late because he forgot you're charging one eight percent penalty and one percent interest but you're not charging the other person anything so we'll see if it works if it doesn't we'll deal with it next year we're just we're hoping this kind of gives a little bit of a buffer um so we'll see how it works out i guess um and see what happens but you know in a perfect world you didn't you wouldn't accept postmarks so they were due when they were due and that was the end of it but because you've accepted postmarks for long time in baffle i think that would be a hard you know harder pill to swallow so we'll see how this goes this year and um you know it's hard too because unfortunately we budget a revenue of interest and penalty so uh so we'll see what it looks like and just reevaluate it at the end of the year and we're really trying to help out you know the the you know the taxpayer that is you know does their best to get their taxes in on time and i think we've seen in the past that the ones that we collect penalties and interest on a far majority of the time are ones that even if we said a 10 day grace period they'd still miss it so it's not you know these are more kind of just a small formality of helping out you know taxes due on saturday oh i forgot on friday oh here it's monday you know and then hit somebody with was it nine percent yes yeah i mean rather than hit nine percent which nine percent of your tax payment is you know that's a big chunk change you know it is a half a grocery bill or you know the other thing is too as you think about it somebody had a baby i've experienced that i've had someone have a lose a loved one and you're sitting there going well i need nine percent so hopefully this this will help you know that and we'll we'll see we'll do it for a year and we'll see how well you don't even know if it passes so i guess we won't see if it passes we'll try it for a year and see if it doesn't pass we know the answer so we'll go from there um just before we get off of the informational hearing piece teres could you um could you just go over two things for me one would be the um and we talked about a little bit but the process of write-ins and even though you're a write-in candidate you get at least have a certain percentage of the list um on that piece and what was the other one here i had and when when do you have or has that already came and gone the time to request a absentee ballot absentee ballot so write-ins are if you are not on if you did not fill out your consent a candidate form so you're not on the ballot some people will launch like we know let's use louise louise is doing a write-in campaign so louise needs to get 30 votes or one percent of bethels checklist whichever is less currently based on the checklist right now she'd need i think about 16 votes obviously the checklist changes because vermont um authorized or approved same-day voter registration so that may play but probably not enough to really change exactly what she needs so if she gets 16 votes and nobody else gets you know 16 or more votes then louise is in if louise got 16 votes and chris jarvis got 18 votes you know chris would be the winner however he may say no i got wrote in by accident and he concedes or whatever but that's the way it works um if no one runs we have one seat that we know currently no we have a couple seats we know no one's running for right trustee of public funds at this point i'm not aware of anybody running a write-in campaign i'm not aware of anybody writing a campaign a write-in campaign for the other lister so at that point what happens is if there's no write-in campaign winner then the select where we'll put out a notice that you're looking for a lister trustee of public funds whatever and people will submit their letter of interest and then the select board will interview them and then they will appoint so that's the way that process works um as far as a ballot um goes people have to keep in mind that that about requesting a ballot is if you request a ballot you know on monday um you're probably gonna have to stop and pick it up and you're gonna have to return it because the mail is not going to work out for you so i think that's something that people need to keep in mind is when you know what the date is that you know think about the mail you know are you asking pam to mail you a ballot well obviously if she mails you a ballot on monday you're not going to get it so but you can stop and pick one up on friday and i think that you can stop and pick one up um on monday as well um and then um when you if you get the ballot and you have it um if it's mailed the post office is excellent pam talked to the postmaster postmistress and she said that any ballot if it comes and it shows up with postage due she doesn't care she makes sure that pam gets the ballot and then she'll just send pam a note at the end the os 28 cents or whatever right now we know that the mail when people mail it back it's just a regular stamp um so anything that she gets in the mail she actually is very kind and takes it right over to the polls i was working on the last election and someone dropped their ballots off at the town office before i left for the day so it was around five five thirty um and i picked them up and then i hand delivered them to the fire station so if you have a ballot drop it off at the town clerk's office on monday or take it to the polls on tuesday but just be cautious about mailing it back if you mail it back on monday depending where you mail it from you know there's a chance pam is not going to get it in time and um it'll just come in late and there'll be a spoiled ballot so that's you know just to be people need to be thinking about that and still is voting in person people can go to the high school to the gymnasium and vote from eight in the morning until seven at night wear a mask a pam will have masks there there's going to be hand sanitizer people will be socially distanced the ballot box booths will be set up that way so people still can and most likely i expect by the few will come and vote in person so that's all possible there's an exit pam has the whole thing laid out so those are your options for voting yeah and during the presidential election worked out really well for any any of those who came and did it in person you know it was uh you know it was kind of a one-way traffic um senior so you know you were going in one door and out the other door um so it was it was uh pretty safe and able to you know distance and and everything like that yeah and it's my understanding pam plans on doing that as well one way in and one way out so um yeah so if you need to if you forget your ballot at home uh you're gonna have to fill out an affidavit at the poll saying you lost your ballot and you have to fill that out um so there is some paperwork there but if people want to vote that are not yet registered to vote they can also be registered to vote and vote same day in vermont so pretty much whatever the situation is i think she'd take care of you so so unless i hear any questions in regards to the informational hearing which covers the budget and all the articles um if you do have any questions after the meeting or something comes up feel free you know reach out to any of the select board members or therese um you know we're more than willing to you know provide you with information or reasoning for for an item or any of that type of stuff so um what i would like to do is get a motion to adjourn the budget informational hearing and then we can um all the order our regularly scheduled select board meeting i'll move second move david and paul second okay on favor hi okay ayes and then i will call the meeting to order for the select board meeting at seven forty uh first on the agenda is to approve the agenda the agenda right now is just one one piece on the agenda um as well as uh you know as well as um town managers report and communications and meeting minutes so does anybody have anything that they want to add to the regularly scheduled select board meeting or is it good to approve as written move to approve as written okay hey lenly approved at moe i read his lipsy second debt all in favor hi hi sorry we gotta get moe in here this is moe's last board meeting so so we'll get you into the the log as much as possible moe we did have um you know before we open it up by there was an individual earlier had asked um uh they had a question is why why um why moe was stepping down um and then thanking you for your service over the years um i'm sure you're stepping down just because of the pay um i responded directly it was oan and i was okay i i saw it in there somewhere and i was looking and i i don't know it wouldn't blank on me but i just said moe served at two different times i think once in the eighties right moe and once more recently for a total of 11 years and i said you were tired you served on the commission and the trans you know brts board and i said you were you were just tired and i think you know i'm you know not speaking for moe but you know select board being on the select board is obviously there's the meetings right but there's you know typically a lot of behind the scenes stuff that you have to you know deal with either on a daily basis or you know um you know we often are on other committees or boards um and you know and moe moe and also include judy and that i mean they they really have been going above and beyond the call of duty here the past year especially he's at the transfer station um you know they they both were on the board at the transfer station which takes time there you know there's been the transitioning at the transfer station there one of the employees or the manager was out for a little bit of time recuperating and you know moe and judy and others pan was down there as well you know really took the bull by the horns and spent a lot of time down there so and i would say if you know if i was a young buck like moe and i was spending that much time that i would be kind of burnt out by now so um so um you know we definitely think you know everything that you have done you and judy especially and um you know welcome you back at any time but um you know you know these boards really and i can't remember who it was maybe it was carl had told me uh yeah it might have been carl when he was getting done you know i mean we all come and we do our public service duties but you know we're not really meant to be on these boards or in these committees forever and you know we're here uh we you know serve our time whatever that might be and and then when the right time is you you know you vacate it and let somebody else in and that's kind of what moe's moe's doing for everybody right now as well and others to have an opportunity so and moe's you know he's been great i mean i i've been here three years and he interviewed me and he still hired me and then he and he's been great you know if you need something moe knows the history i know if i call him or email him or whatever he'll know something about you know why the history of an item was or what is it i you know don't know or or you know it was all roads and he oversaw a project for us you know camp brook after fema because chris obviously had a conflict and of course moe being moe makes friends with everybody so i go up there one day to ask a question because moe was somewhere and well they're like well where's moe you know like i'm sorry i was second fiddle but but because chris couldn't go up and deal with the paving for pike obviously uh so it was quite funny so moe's been great a good sounding board always a voice of reason and common sense which is a wonderful thing and and we would be remiss if we didn't comment about what a great sense of humor he has so i'm thankful for moe has always been supportive of me and has continued support and that means a lot to me and i'm sure he's still gonna call me or email me occasionally it's gonna be great to have him as a new lister yeah there you go yeah oh he needs 16 votes moe that's right no it's been enjoyable working with all the folks so and uh trice is the uh fifth town manager that i've worked with so well in my opinion she's the best oh that's sweet of you today yeah thank you and but yeah it's you know i i think it's you know the end of a big error especially i mean that's a long time 11 years even you didn't do it all in one time it's a lot of it's a lot of meetings it's a lot of you know taking the time when you know one of the many great things about moe is he asks and he talks to people about how it's going to affect them or what do they think about something and anyway he weighs that and you know his opinion and um the consideration before he makes a decision and that was is one of the many things that make him a good select board member so i think everybody thanks you for your service moe right in thank you right in for moe he knows where you live paul don't don't forget paul there's a school director position open to you now yeah oh boy so yeah thank you again moe i mean we'll definitely miss you and came on uh one day after i did um he took over i can't was it bills spot yeah so one one meeting so yeah moe and i were locked in locked in battle for that spot he was selected i just want to say just you know i'm not i'm not from here i've only been here 30 years and whatever but um i've always come to respect the people that i call vermont treasures and those are the folks that have been here you know from birth or and and really have a good perspective on common sense and have grown up and gone through all these processes that have changed over the years and they're still there and they're still giving us the guidance and they they deserve all the respect uh that we can give them and thank you moe plus i need to know about pie and we do you want to update us on pie we know pie we need a pie update sure this pandemic is clearly getting to everyone if what becomes most important is pie um so just i'll do the full spiel so that those that aren't aware of it get to learn a little bit more so the Bethel revitalization initiative is sponsoring pie uh in light of the fact that we cannot do our normal social gathering before town meeting and the gathering of town meeting we've still wanted to do something so we're going to be hosting uh an un-town meeting which will be a virtual event uh where town committees and other town groups and not just town affiliated committees but um community oriented groups will have a chance to say a few words about what they've been working on in the last year and what initiatives they're having coming up for the coming year or so and you know kind of a way for people to get a little bit of an update and also maybe find out about ways to get involved in different things or what they might be interested going on in Bethel that they didn't know about they'll also be a little bit of um sort of connecting with other neighbors there will be breakout rooms where you kind of get to meet other people that maybe you haven't met or maybe folks you haven't seen all year because you're cooped up in your house and um to try to keep the tradition of pie going we have asked a local baker who's trying to open a bakery in downtown Bethel hopefully this summer uh to make the pies for us so they'll be individual servings all uh prepackaged ready to go so it's very COVID safe she is uh in food service so she very much understands how to do this safely and effectively and they'll be as you exit from voting there'll be a table with pie take your pie sign into town meeting in the evening eat your pie before town meeting or at on town meeting whichever happens most people will probably eat it beforehand but um yeah there'll be a few flavors of pie I don't know what yet but I think it'll be good good so just to clarify you will have already had to have signed up right through the sign up at the bu hyphen vt.org so the pie will have your name on it you don't have to sign up for pie we're just sponsoring pie because we feel that's important okay hi okay um but we would love for people to come to on town meeting and you do have to register to come to that it's a zoom uh link and it is I think it's the back page of the town yep I'm just looking at it now so it's from five to six thirty on march second yep and you can um so you can register and then it'll be open to anybody who registers and you can register right up till the event or even during it and join in at any time okay but we won't make it exclusive on the pie oh I wasn't sure I just wanted to make sure so people um yeah it sounds like it's yeah so there is an ad it's on page 72 um along with the Bethel University so and and Trace as long as the select board members are not actively participating can we all be associated with the event at the same time or how's that work with open meeting absolutely you can you're still residents you're still voting members so you're not going to be making a decision about anything well we might be working at the polls at that time too depending on who's on that particular shift right depending how we have if Pam has already tied you up yeah and if not yes select board members have the right to participate and as residents because you're not making decisions and um you know as a good to know well I know just you know in history we we often try to avoid you know being together in a group you know because of the perceived you knowness of the whole thing but um absolutely a lot of it is about perception so yeah okay yeah you can certainly attend and you're obviously not going to be making any decisions and you don't represent the board when you're there you represent you know you as a person and just to follow up what Paul was saying we did try to make it early enough so that um members of the bca could still get to counting votes in time and not you know so you could join and then still get to the vote count if you're not actually working the polls during that time well maybe there's a way I don't know maybe I'm just thinking too much into this but maybe there's a way there could be an active session at the fire station you know a login at the fire station where you know either the poll workers or voters as they come in during that time can yeah it's going on or something well that's a good idea and just for clarification you're not boarding at the fire station this time no I mean uh I'm sorry that at the school well also if there's any leftover pie that'll be for the vote counters well we'll take it all up to mo so that's a great idea chris I really appreciate you saying that and I can see what we can do about getting at least one computer signed in to just let people know what's going on it's a great idea well I just I don't know how the whole technology thing works but I know when you come in there's a there's a monitor there in the hallway so I don't know if like maybe you could wheel over one of those carts you know the we used to call them the technology carts when I was in school but you know that has a laptop or whatever on and maybe they can plug it into the monitor and then it can be projected you know I think it's going to be it could be maybe projected but somebody couldn't actually use the keyboard because it's cold right it'd be a one-way communication you could hear what was going on but not necessarily this thing I think yeah Lindley could totally um talk to Pam and work that out with her for sure it'd be interesting well just if we're thinking about projecting Brad and um Jesse and I have been talking about doing outdoor projections on the side of Brad's building because we have a huge like professional grade project projection device projector I guess it's called it's digital and so his wall is newly painted really white and we could do like even select board meetings we could project over zoom at night you know and people could hang out and I don't know but if you guys are ever interested in that we're thinking about doing movie nights outside but if we wanted to do something that was about town engagement or civic engagement that would be awesome I think Brad would be super into it too okay that's good to know thank you that's a good suggestion do we lose Lindley I think so yeah well I mean I think the great thing is that you know that we're keeping Pi alive and and if I remember right oh geez I don't know what was it it's not quite 10 years ago when we started Pi but somewhere around there I don't know to bring but you know she's back she is so yeah so Lindley can talk to Pam about what can happen at the polls and all that so yeah and I can find out about I'm sorry I lost you right as you were saying about the monitor but I can um talk to the guy in charge of that and see maybe we can get access to it I was just saying because of COVID you couldn't have 12 people touching a laptop but if he could project it somehow for you yeah yeah and ask Pam you know obviously it's going to depend Pam's opinion she is the election officials you know to see where it could be so people aren't clogging up the works but you know Pam you know if you give her a call or email her Lindley she'll you guys can work out something I'll I'll work with her on that I like that idea normally it's the town moderator is who town meeting it's his election to oversee but in this case we bypass that so it's it's Pam so right well the we don't have any appointments tonight because we kept it short because of the informational portion of the meeting but we do have the final resignation that we had in anticipating for the Robert Young for the Bethel world and transfer station so that was you know we had anticipated seeing resignations from all three members you know currently Dave has agreed to to be a part of that board at least in a temporary fashion but we will be you know looking for two members of the community to engage or be a part of the transfer station board as it's as it was designed so we did put a posting on from porch forum and I know Lindley graciously volunteered to also attend the march meeting just to so Dave wasn't alone and I did have someone I did I did end up getting hearing from Adam Saperne and he might be interested he might be in the interest in the planning commission or he might be interested in the BRTS board I don't know so he's going to do I said that I would send him links for both meetings and he needs to attend one or two to see what works for him but so far that's the only option and you know we will have some select board members sitting on the board for now I mean the the intention for that board from both towns is to have non select board citizens of the town to be on that board that's that's the idea behind it and would be the goal I would say you know anybody that has you know decent budgeting financial skills those are probably some of the top skills for that you know if you're also just willing to learn and sit there and listen and and you know just represent your community on that that's you know all we could ask for so and then you're kind of a liaison between the transfer station and the select board so um yeah to be to be a voting member you've got to be approved by the select board appointed by the select board to be a voting member of down there so I mean anybody can go but there's unless they're not if they're not approved appointed they cannot vote right yeah so mo do you think that um so since david he agreed to the term for a year um do you think that the board needs to temporarily appoint lindley to attend one meeting yeah yes okay yes yeah she's gonna vote okay that way she can vote well maybe after you guys make a motion to accept robert's resignation chris you could also get a motion to appoint dav for one year and lindley temporarily um and adam sapper and was just going to attend to see if he even wanted to be appointed so he we're not looking for anything for him um so that's a good point mo knows the certainly knows ins and outs of interlocal better than anybody so usually usually usually it's appointments after the first meeting after term meeting that when the select board appoints different committees and what right right but since she's good since we know these two are going to do march we could take care of it tonight you just wrap it up because when is the next meeting for the transfer station mode you know it's the wednesday after your select board meeting after term meeting so you could theoretically appoint people at the next meeting if we want to be spoke i was thinking for expediency and you knew both players but um but yeah that's um but thank you mo that's because we talked about dav doing it for a year but no we didn't officially you guys didn't officially appoint him so um that's good to know so i would just i would entertain a motion to accept uh robert yung's resignation um from the bethel relton transfer station board effective the third of march 2021 so mo forget uh what was the regret thank you for your service yeah absolutely i know robert he'd been on the board for how many years mo five three three three so do you want me to add mo and not mo do you do you want me to add dav and lindley about this appointment to your next agenda since it's not listed here what would you like to do i don't think there's oodles of people knocking each other down to try to get here um so i guess you know i guess that would depend on the board i mean if dav and lindley are fine with the appointments tonight we could do that um you know our our resignation all three of us take back the third of march yeah if that makes a difference so it could be the wording of the motion mo you could say effective three four you know um you appoint dav eddie for one year and lindley you know what up well even if even if we appoint lindley for a year and let's say she only stays there for three months while there's some transitioning go on i mean it's not not the end of the world you know i mean it i don't i don't mind stepping i don't mind stepping into the position my comment to teres and i think this is relevant for the whole board it was really just that i know as a board we've been talking about not having it populated with board members and seeing if dav was already sort of thrown his hat in the ring i didn't want to also do that and then have it exactly what we were saying we didn't want but if if everyone's comfortable with it i'm happy to serve and it can just be an appointment of a year and then when we find a replacement i'll resign or dav can you know we can figure that out at that time yeah i think that makes sense because you're in an awkward position as of the third with all three BRTS members that leaves all three of the royalty members but i don't think they can make decisions without on their own i think they need to have a couple of members from Bethel president don't they mo two no they gotta have a quorum before members so so they they couldn't hold a meeting with just their membership so they would need one so they need at least dave and if not a couple people you're out voted all the time right exactly makes sense well we we could nominate duck he's got some time on his hands thank you but i got plans i got plans so have we advertised or are we going to advertise for those positions i did yep i put something out on front porch forum for um uh the planning commission which is always a you know something i'm stumping for so the planning commission and the BRTS and that's where i got um i think adam it was interested in possibly the planning may and so i sent him both and said here come to both meetings and so so far just one so yeah and these are basically we're saying that dave's agreed to one year and Lindley's a temporary because otherwise you're going to be out voted constantly we need to have we need to have two people represent um the board yeah we need we need to have two citizen type and we agree but until we get that we need it we need two people showing up at these meetings so that we have a say in what's happening at the transfer station so i think that uh motion to appoint dave for you know both for a year at least it gets us two people there and and i can see more nodding and agreement but as soon as we get citizens we will you know i'm sure happily people will bow out but and and ralton currently has two board members sitting they do they do so i guess it's not the end of the world no we just need to we need body it just it ends up looking fishy yeah oh here maybe fishy's not the right word but you know what i mean yeah for us it's just tough because we don't have people coming out of the woodwork as we all know to volunteer so if david lindley just stepping at least to get us through a couple months until we can find if we found three new people i'm sure david lindley would happily walk oh yeah yeah i'm sure yeah it's just drumming up people so you're not going to fall out of the sky you need to protect our interest and to do that we need two people great especially during the whatever process is going to happen absolutely yeah ma'am so is there a motion on the table to appoint uh dav and lindley to one year on the bethel ralton solid waste board no move well i'll second that jays that moe's last act of duty is to appoint you lindley to something i mean i feel just fine that the eve or lindley can vote on that aback uh it's moe and me and yeah and chris chris vote no chris vote no wait uh joe and has got back to me and said dug has got plenty of available time uh okay so we all all in favor with dav and lindley that's uh i we're good welcome okay so we got that uh town managers report i just updated you on a couple things um one of them was we are going to be purchasing a 2015 dodge charger to replace the cruiser that was totaled for 11 000 so it's going to cover um we received insurance money of just shy of that by a couple hundred bucks so basically it's you know one will pay for the other the dot i would say a big thanks to justin pream our other our new constable and oscar used to drove to new york the first time tried out a cruiser came you know but didn't pan out and then um just uh oscar's out on a medical leave right now he had to have some emergency surgery and um justin drove to massachusetts to try out this one and this is the one and he's going to go back and get it um this this weekend so which was great and it's not going to take a lot of equipment we already have equipment from the other cruiser well the cruiser was totaled the equipment was fine this also is going to come with some stuff we also have a budget general fund in the general fund budget of like they got thousand dollars for the cruiser so many tires but nothing is going to come out of the capital fund hence why i didn't need a motion or anything from you guys because i'm we're not spending any capital money um after the last meeting i did sign the agreement for the forester with a j fallens v for quimby forest um um there had mentioned he had mentioned an access issue possibly with camp brook forest uh so i did give that to the class four road committee to take a peek at um so to see about the access to that that could become a just a forest that we can't cut because if we can't access that we're going to do a different way um finalizing the rfp for the architect for the town garage big thanks to lucian hinkle for his help with that um i sent it out for hint to him last friday he did get back to me with an email i need to make a couple of adjustments and then that'll go out as i mentioned earlier the draft rfp for the permanent penelope bridge is sent to fema for theirs information um tim and i met with alder genelia and willy nickerson believe from the state um for the 60 review meeting for our preliminary engineering on the next phase of the water system upgrade we still don't know what's out there for funding yet obviously we've got a great deal this time i have to see um i did talk to wane elliot about uh you know a lot of times when a president is new and they're trying to um do economic development they will send out infrastructure money uh when president obama was elected he did what we coined the phrase of era money um and that was 50 forgiveness for shovel ready projects so something we need to consider here is making sure that this project is shovel ready we did get a which is a planning loan for 16600 we may be at this point we should just move forward with the design that way if president biden did that we want to be primed and ready to take advantage of any money that's coming down the pike so he also um willy wasn't sure right now of the um lead subsidy and things like that so we'll have to figure we'll we'll keep you in the loop and we'll figure that out as it comes but right now the state isn't promising any money anything right now so we'll have to see what comes out um and we submitted the better connections grant a big thank you to nicole sear and rebecca sandborn stone that went out under the wire on friday so that's good we'll should know the middle of march um about that i submitted a structures grant for the camp brook slash watershed bridge road bridge right there which is the one from last year that we didn't get and um i'm looking at another bridge project there's another bridge on p vine just after the slope work that's a small one and so we may work uh submit my structures grant on that for my second structures grant lindley um just i wanted to follow up on the better connections grant um because i've heard some feedback from folks and i think that it's important that the select board as a whole has the whole information on this grant and what it is but also what is to come from it because there's a lot of misconception of it is a planning grant so it is really just about we will receive information um about like how to do accessibility better and and all of the things that we applied for within the grant it's really just an informational grant but there's a lot of i've been hearing a lot of negative feedback saying well why are we doing these things that aren't actually making any changes this is one of those grants that you have to apply for this grant first in order to be eligible for further funding that will come after this that will be for those things that they recommend in the first grant and if you don't do the first grant you can't apply for the second grants and so if if you're hearing people saying things like that of you know why are we spending time and money on just information that actually isn't funding the fixes that we might need or helping the businesses or the the town pay for the infrastructure needs that is part of this it's it's just another phase and another step in that process and i just wanted to kind of get that out so that i do think i mean i think that's right but you also are going to get some information like we're are going to get a plan really that's all we need for for doing we're the 30 000 dollars for the clean water i was hoping we're going to get engineering that was my impression we're not i don't need engineering i just need a plan and once someone figures out that plan we can build it from that so that's going to be good the other thing is the economic piece you will get something solid from that right where it sounded like my explanation i received was that um and correct me if i'm wrong that if they do this to figure out what businesses they think are going to be viable in Bethel that's a solid information correct that's what i was told yeah so it'll be good and um so yeah this so the grant went out and it was a ton of support everybody wrote letters of support so i'd be surprised if we didn't get it i'm honestly and Rebecca Rebecca obviously and Nicole are very good at writing so i think they did i was happy with you know obviously i did some pieces of it and but they they did a lot so it was good you wrote letters and so but thank you for the clarification that's good if somebody's getting feedback so yeah absolutely yeah so that's one thing i just wanted to mention the the quimby forest i just wanted to reiterate my concern about the access road and the traffic the truck traffic and the logger traffic that's going to take place along the ridge road the range going up through here and now and really trying to pay attention to what's going to happen to that road uh going up up and in there for that access with the heavy equipment that's going up through there i agree and we're going to meet up there it'll be the road foreman and myself and uh Farron Griffin and a j fallen speed and right now the cup the family that live that visits up there generally maybe comes up twice a year in the winter and that's it and they're talking about winter access i did restate in my exchange with a j phone speed that um you know i was raised you know family with a logger and they're nuts but i i'm really concerned sometimes they're crazy and their truckers are even crazier but god bless them but there is a wicked drop off so i did tell a j that again and just said look you know i really have a concern about ringe and winter access i understand what he's saying about the other road but we'll know more about that poll and i'll certainly report more back to the select board about um about that and i apologize wane i know you're a logger i didn't mean any offense by that i you you know you know what i mean well i think just the access from from the access from rinsed to lilyville you know root road uh and i know those folks are only up there you know a couple of times there were however much per year but still um i think it's all due process that we we try to figure out a good way to not tear that road up too badly well and chris knows too we did a bunch of work to ringe um up the class yeah we're oh yeah oh yeah and i also went up there to and some people do loggers don't eat i think it's sometimes they get a bad rap and in my experience there's a lot of loggers that leave roads in better shape than they found them and we certainly have and moe's shaken has said yes and there's certainly we have the ability to say this is what the road looks like and this is what our standard is and we didn't put in those new culverts and all that to have somebody trash it so you know it's also going to be part of picking the right loggers so when we do the rp and it's you know certainly but we'll have more information call it and i just wanted to throw that out there no and i think it's a good concern to have i i have my own so we'll we'll definitely um address those and and um so it's definitely a rough road and yeah when i helped do the did some of the femal work up there i mean mid summer in july it took four-wheel drive for me to get up in my truck so um but i will say i will say that that road is night and day of what it was used to be i mean we had maintained that road you know other than just passing it in years so no and even that little piece of fare that we owned and where you can't imagine chris got the life scared out of him there was some lady walking just appeared out of nowhere it was like a very big and road i was like boom someone was right there yeah so we definitely have the same concerns paul i do as you so um i don't want to see any that go backwards for sure but i but i also think you know some of the things that talking to at last time is there's there's some really good opportunities too right there's so by having some of this logging take place that there's some accessibility um you know i guess uh benefits that will get out of this with you know maybe some trail usages and things like that that we had been wanting to do that you know won't essentially cost us anything so right the other thing is too is making the landing into some parking for people who want to hike so there's definitely some right things there but that means it's going to be increased access by folks going up through this or even more important to uh make sure that we leave the leave that road in the in a place where folks can still access it not tear out all the shreds yeah i'm hoping that it's better than it is now you know the first part of it is good because we've worked on it but that last piece is going to need some work um so whether grade and bring some fill and take care of that piece because too like you're saying paul people are going to be pleasure cars that are going to want to access and it's not going to be a big parking area i think aj had mentioned a couple of cars so we're not looking at a big space there but you're right it will increase uh you know the accessibility or the increase of the use of the road so we already we already know that there are our jeeps and big trucks and whatever going up through there and and intentionally are not tearing it up yeah yep that's that's why i wanted to have the class four roads posted in the spring to keep people off of them while they can tear it up otherwise it'll be just a rutted mess like it is now up on that class four part that's right and moe had said that i actually have the printout from vlct and it's in the select board file um for us to do that i think i'd had it in for march so we um definitely need to do that i talked to alan today about signage and i did tell alan that i believe the select board would be posting some of these class four roads and weight limits and so i had the printout from vlct um moe that's telling us all about what we can do up there and i know the class four road committee was also in favor of that that's something mr right had come in about too so yep that's going on a march agenda you could stick around moe yeah class four committee there's another moe is getting out of dodge that's that's it we had the uh meeting minutes from both the eighth and fifteenth did anybody have any amendments to the meeting minutes or are they good to approve as written i had one um from which which day moe uh paul i gotta pull out hang on thank you i think i have both in the packet it was one place where you said that chris made a motion oh and he he doesn't usually make motions he doesn't but he did he did he did that day yes oh yep because you're right it's unusual but i remember he did that day okay i'm not i don't have the page right in front of me no exactly what you're talking about and he does the motion for the um the website yeah it was it was about the website for the equity commission committee yeah i didn't even realize i had made that motion until chris had told me and yeah you did because you were like those because usually and i i know i did and but usually i don't you know there are a lot of chairs that do make a lot of motions and i don't usually no i also think it was gonna go one way or the other and you weren't sure so he did all right paul okay well that was that was the only thing that i saw i don't have the page right in front of me that's okay i i do i have it so yeah i can't find it right now but i know what you were yeah yeah it's yeah and the only other wow the other thing we saw minutes in there from the september 23rd 2019 special meeting of the white river solid waste board oh i don't know i'm not quite sure why that was in the packet i don't know let me look and see that they appointed uh gen to be the um oh i know why that was in there that was for somebody else and now somebody was looking for some information and probably um kelly saw on her dad she probably just tossed it up there because there was one shelf on near the top of kelly's desk you know where it is paul and we throw anything for the slack board in there yeah it was it was one of the brts members from royal tin looking for something and so it accidentally must have got okay okay all right i didn't even see it when i copied it thank you so that was a mistake um it was something that one of the royal tin members wanted okay thank you yeah oh we we're good on both of those then yeah okay make emotional proof second okay all in favor all right and then we had in the back um it was meeting from the rec committee the energy committee there was the article that was in the news article news and then um i also put in there the information charging for recycling in vermont that came from the state of vermont and i had kelly put that on front porch forum because we'd obviously received a bunch of comments about people wanting to know why they were paying for recycling and um so i thought that this was really well written by um the gentleman at the state and um uh gen had sent it to me and so we we uh decided to put it out because i thought it was really informative and lets people now look you know when act 48 started in 2012 what the um markets were looking for like in 2012 and then the fact that the markets continue to do poorly so i thought it was good information and the other stuff was just the fyi on a um active 50 permit for the school which you all knew about because that was a frail's piece that once it was done act 250 always an act 250 so so that was it so that was everything anything else anybody wanted to bring out now it's time to do it i join here's something she wanted to say hi everybody can you hear me yes how y'all doing tonight hey um the reason Doug didn't get in early tonight the number was wrong at this on the um Bethel town page okay i wonder how many people would have liked to have tended and didn't get in here okay that's all i gotta say everybody else came in i texted with kelly because i know i sent her what i had and it's wrong okay i'll go back in and let the phone number join or the meeting number the the um the meeting number was incorrect okay it was missing one of the numbers oh and then kelly shot me a text that somebody sent a screenshot of their phone and yeah there was another number in there okay it was me okay um thank you because i was copying for her uh from my what i published so i'll go looking but thank you i um i she texted yeah i texted her so she could text you all right yeah well i even could just telephone in you couldn't do it thank you have a good night thanks whatever it's worth when i tried to log in i went to a word document and there was a link in the word document that i used it was correct but yeah that's what i put out so all right good thank you gene um so i'm not sure why are i don't know because that's what i put on the web that's why i put on the um website myself so i'll double check but thank you very much we didn't try using the link we just tried using the number to get in okay the meeting number yeah all right thank you uh oh i got how she did it okay cool it's one of the things i've learned with zoom um because sometimes zoom generates the numbers at random and if it starts with a zero often when you translate that to a different program it takes the zero out when it's the first number and so you have to like um so it may not be the issue but okay it was in the set you know how there's three sets of numbers three numbers then four numbers then a couple more it was in the in the full second set or the second set of numbers okay thank you and i've been checking my numbers in it all right awesome it only had three on the website yeah no big deal we did get in there but well thank you and i've been checking my email all night throughout our meeting because we did put in the town report that if you couldn't get into email me so i have been going back and forth checking but i'm glad you made it in so thank you sticking with it yeah bye bye bye i couldn't have done it well kelly texted me so i was trying to get it out there but all right we'll see so thank you it's good thing to remember lindley too about the zero right i'm over your turn so no one seconds moe has to stay right yes forever i'll second i like him thank you thank you all right all in favor all right all right thank you everybody thank you have a good evening you too thank you get up early get ready to do some snow rumble one morning i'm sorry therese therese yes no i got a question for you uh do you want me to come in and sign uh whatever i've got to sign up to mail that would be great thank you there's a couple stragglers so that would be good yeah i know you had you had most of them a couple weeks ago but that would be great i mean if you don't want you don't have to i'm gonna get the majority of the signatures but right because all you need is three anyways yeah it's up to you if you want to come in and do it that'd be great if you don't it's not a problem moe because you're right i'll have three signatures anyways so that's right okay whatever the however the spirit moves you how's that i probably will there you go all right thank you again moe all right good night thank you