 My name is Marie Norden. I am Fedora's community action and impact coordinator. I Chair and run the mindshare committee And I've been involved in Fedora since 2013 starting with an outreaching internship as a Fedora badges design intern So I'm gonna hand it over to Vipple Hello, I'm Vipple. My pronouns are hey him For my day job. I work in community platform engineering where I try to do things will mostly break Fedora center or center CI infrastructure But in community, I'm very passionate about people. I love people. I In mind share I do mentored project representation, which means I work with Marie I work with Suman through a few more amazing people volunteers to ensure that our mentor project programs are running smoothly It's mostly just hey, what do you think about this? Should we do that? It's not really a lot of tasks. So if you are interested in that reach out to me. We can talk more about it In council. I also do DI. I represent the I team is the DI advisor role But it's mostly just making sure whatever council is doing our general Fedora community happening There is a voice representing Fedora diversity inside of things I'm also working on accessibility working group, which I'm made with amazing Emma who is also in CPE and a few more people So that's me and looking forward to this discussion question and answer sort of please I'm up to you Thank you. Vipple. Hello, everybody. My name is on ground. I am I'm also a mind share But recently I'm also starting working with other website and application teams and start to represent them as a mind share member And also I'm working with the QDA and doing a lot of work with that with all folks to also my main focus was in Mobility to bring Fedora into the forms. Hopefully we have some Improvement going to be happen. Of course, this is take a lot of time But hopefully you will get there as well and also I like aside from the technical job I also like to try out of the people as a How can I say the old ambassador person? So I hope I can help invest in my ability as well. Thank you so much back to you, Marie So what is the mind share committee and what does it do for Fedora? So we're a group of folks that Are dedicated to doing a variety of things One thing we do is improve communications between different teams and how we do that is by having represent representatives from the most active teams on the mind share side of Fedora Get together and meet on a regular basis We also have elected representatives right so that Folks from other parts of the community no matter where they're from have a chance to participate And hang out and be a part of this decision-making process So one of the main things that we do is support our various outreach efforts. So this means events swag and events means like, you know Funding for hotels and airfare it could be trains And we're sending swag out to them We also try to assist with hey these are some ways that you could improve the event or Connect them with someone connect the requester with someone else who's doing something similar or has done something similar in the past we also try to motivate contributors and teams and we do this by Bringing back the energy that we have in mind share to our various teams I mentioned elected representatives, but I also mentioned team reps So the team reps can go back to their teams and share what is happening in mind share share what's happening in the broader community and Part of what I do when I run the meeting is I bring in news and information and announcements That's happening from all over Fedora right so that we all have a good idea of what's happening You know that week in Fedora So, you know if there's something that's relevant to some other team a member of mind share can bring that back We also share best practices. I mentioned, you know giving people advice on how to run an event But we also have started to What's the right word grow in various ways, right? So at this point, we're doing surveys We're doing virtual events So when a group or a person might come to us and say I want to run this survey We go through and we look at their survey questions and we help them structure them a little bit better or you know Help them even, you know combine questions because people don't like to take long surveys, right? so we try to Use our knowledge base to help others in Fedora succeed and try to Assist them to get what they want done in an even better way We also manage funding requests. I know I talked a little bit about events swag That is also part of that, but it's more than just that right. We also coordinate things like Sponsorships of other events sponsorships of other communities It could be a service that we might need to run a website We also, you know picked up line survey and so we manage the funding around that There's a variety of different things that we do around So on or off our default did you want to add anything for this one? No, you go with it. Well, thank you. Okay So I talked a little bit about Who's on the team, but these are the exact folks that are on the team right now? My thought is the F cake We have Nick Bobow. He is Representing Fedora ambassadors. We have Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez who is representing commops Out of all who's on the call with us? Cesar is doing is representing websites and apps Maureen Duffy is the representative for the design team. We have Petter Bowcock from Docs Bipple Siddharth also on the hall mentor projects, and we have two elected representatives One is David Duncan. Super excited to have someone who has a very strong technical background We also have other people with technical backgrounds, but it was cool that he came kind of came over for more of the fast-go side of Sidora to be a part of mind share and we also have Madeline Peck. Madeline is a designer and she has been managing the Wallpaper release process for a couple cycles now and She is an awesome person and we're really excited to have her on board as well so this is the current makeup of the mind share committee and I think we're going to have Madeline on for one release and David will be on for two right now So there will be an elected seat coming up soon So what has mind share been up to you know we talked a little bit like This is what we do in like a General sense. What will we actually doing right so in the past six months or so? We coordinated the Fedora t-shirt giveaway, so that was everything from like how it should be structured Figuring out the blog post figuring out the time zones and how to manage that we also worked on the DOS keycap giveaway We took in multiple requests about sponsoring other community community events and Organizing the presence at those events Not listed on here is scale, but we did help the scale folks the ambassadors at scale Get everything they needed for that but We've had presence at red hat summit. We've sponsored Academy the KDE conference and this is our second year doing that We're a part of the open SUSE conference, you know part of sessions or just hanging out over there Providing sponsorship and also most recently in aquatic. We had office hours there We had an in-person presence. I think we had some problems getting our swag Through customs. I felt so horrible about that, but shipping globally has really been a headache these days Justin Justin did the swag ever make it Well, I know oh I wonder if they're gonna send it back. I should follow up with Carolyn Justin's talk it So that he can redo it if needed he covered it for the logistics daily Justin I would be happy to sign you some swag because you are all over in the conference world. So happy to send some as You're definitely ambassador for Fedora Yeah, I well I have to check back in with the organizers for Guada I can see honestly where it is because there was a tablecloth in there That was not a cheap tablecloth. So we definitely want that back All right, so We also support the annual contributor survey. So we helped to make sure that the questions are up to date We work on making sure that the banners go up across All of the websites of course with the help of the websites apps team We have people working on the design banners that actually, you know the image that you actually see going up and Then beyond that we also do other community surveys So, you know, we help with Ben Cotton's release survey most recently we have set up the Apple survey and the Docs survey so those are going right now and Bipple actually is our Lyme survey wrangler Didn't mention it is intro, but that is something he does and I think he's sharing that knowledge Hopefully so we can have some more people who are up and up on how to do the Lyme surveys We also work on coordination of virtual release parties So we work on the content who we're going to invite to speak at those events The social times we pick the dates with the help of the Fedora program manager Ben Cotton So we're kind of working on all the different aspects of the virtual release parties and we also do Approval and coordination of swag and travel requests for ambassadors. So we had Some folks at Oz Cal we had the folks going to scale We had a Fedora What it was called exactly Fedora day Fedora Explorer day Yes, and Fedora Explorer day recently I think that was in Panama so We also did some to Support hatches, but I kind of took that one on a little bit myself because it was more in the flock Category, but we were definitely assisting and kind of figuring those out, too So those are examples of things we've done in the last six months. So say you wanted to do something Similar to the different things we're describing here. How would you go about doing that? Well, there's a couple of different ways that you can do that You can attend their weekly meeting. It is open for all to join. Obviously, we're trying to get things done So it's not just a chatting session If you want to just chat with members of mindshare Some of us like to go to the socials. So if you want to just chat come over to the socials, but What we're doing in our weekly meeting is going through tickets talking about upcoming topics and events that sort of thing so you are welcome to join us and Let the chair know which is me right now that you have a topic that you want to discuss and You can let me know in advance. You could just come into the channel and say hey I'd like to show up at the next mindshare meeting. I have something to discuss if You know, you want to talk about it? Live, you know synchronously. We're happy to do that There's a sink as well, which you can open a ticket on the mindshare Pejora repo I know everyone pronounces Pejora. I Don't know what's right, but that's how I'm going with it. So You're welcome to open a ticket on the mindshare Pejora repo Describing what you want to do. There's templates in there. So if you want to do a Survey There's a drop down. It says template And you click live survey if you want to hold the small event and you're not an ambassador There's an advocate template I think the main template is just for events. I want to say and Then I think there's also some kind of I Know that there's one more in there. We have some templates that help to You know guide you in the request so we can get as much information As we need so that we can look at that request and make the approvals for you You can also email the mindshare mailing list. It's not very active. I email that about once a week with our meeting notes But you're welcome to email there. I also realize something that should be on this list But it's not is discourse so on discussion I'm Got fedora project or we have a mindshare tag and that's that's like actually an umbrella tag that covers You know like com ops and magazine and ambassadors, but then we have a mindco tag So the mindco tag is where you would reach our team specifically with some kind of request And last but not least you can reach out to somebody who's on the committee the IRC are our element matrix Chat All of us are you know committed to fedora and committed to being a part of mindshare So it's okay. If you message us and say hey, I have a request We know that everyone is not comfortable You know messaging a public channel and that's okay So if you would be more comfortable reaching out to one of us Individually happy to answer any questions you might have so those are like our Responsibilities and the things that we kind of have to do right so like that's that's our function inside of fedora And we try to keep all that stuff moving But we try to be even more than that we want to be even more than that so We're open to discussing new ideas To help improve the fedora community, right? So we're not The council we're not making huge strategic You know changes or moves for the fedora community But we are all invested in the strategy for fedora, especially involving Community so if you were to see like if there was something where you were like, I just don't think there's enough connection between X Y and Z and I really have a great idea about how we can make that happen You can come to mind share and say hey, this is my idea to make to improve this situation And we are probably most likely going to know the people to make that happen and we can connect you and other people and Other parts of fedora in order to improve community health So we are happy to hear new ideas and even if you have like a new idea about how we do events Like about how we do swag about how we do our tried and true fedora things. That's something we're also open to I think the number one thing is we want to help Make your fedora things succeed. So if you have a great idea that you're passionate about if you have You know some some project that you want to see really succeed Bring it to us and we are happy to help Connect you give you resources do whatever we can to help that project succeed succeed There's a wealth of knowledge Amongst all the people on the committee most of us have been involved for a long time some shorter and we're happy to have actually More newbies on the team too because it gives us a completely different perspective like Those folks are super valued on our team But a lot of us do have just a very long history with fedora and kind of probably talk about it for way too long But definitely take advantage of that ask those questions We don't necessarily want to reinvent the wheel, but we want to make it a better wheel and Improve things, but we're only nine people So we're up to hearing other people's opinions and trying to work those in and make it work even better so Based on all of that. We have a representative to the council. That's alberdo and alberdo sits on the council as well to help make sure that things that are happening in mindshare and our first of all Unicated to the council, but also so that he can bring things from the council back to my chair, right? So I'm I also sit on both the mindsharing council as well as the bulls so we have multiple connections there But we wanted to have a dedicated representative That sits on the council to make sure that mindshare needs are being accommodated for and accounted for on the council So where can you find us? I talked about some things. I can share these links or share this Sorry, it's the slide deck. I'm gonna add it to the wiki Probably after the event But if people want to drop some of these links, actually, I think I can just copy them and put them over here So here's our docs Honor off that the Jora repo. Here's our mailing list and Oh, okay honor ops on it. I'm gonna let you take care of the honor. Oh, so The mailing list I mentioned IRC and I also mentioned elements. These are the different places you can find us Yeah, we still use the mailing list It's not very like I mentioned. It's not very active. I usually use it for I'm like bigger announcements that have to do with my share and I also send out meeting notes Actually know that there's a people couple a couple of people at least to watch it for those meeting notes Answering to honor we do have a discussion tag mind share I said the link up there So that's what I was asking if we have discussion and that's what we are doing most of the things The mindset list is not very active, but that's also if you want to use that method. That's not expired yet So that's a good thing to highlight Yeah, I mean we could move on to discussion. I think we'd have to you know talk as a team and see if that's Something we're ready to do Probably Something even nicer we can do it in the first step probably like the choices period as you know It could be also nice to do this one. It's not subtractive. We can easily move in probably this boss Yeah, I think it was just the only real change would be I wouldn't put our meeting logs and stuff on like a discussion thread Or even a new new post It would it would become a very long post I think we should limit it to like yearly, right? So like mind share meetings 2022 and then make a new post for 23 You you can actually make it you can just copy it, you know links in meeting what I did we can post it links to this three lines It will be shorter. Yeah, not that super long But we can actually make it right like a little summary too so that people don't necessarily have to read through a whole thing And the summary is like, okay. I'm interested in that. Let me go read the log or You know, that's not really for me. I don't really care about any of that. I'm just gonna, you know, archive this. So How we do community blog post upcoming community blog posts It has a calendar and when you reply to that post with a day of the deed and the link or anything in there So you can just navigate in the calendar click on the event and it will take you to that comment as well A community blog post for every meeting seems like oh Like how we do for community blog is what I meant like how we keep track of upcoming community blogs not coming to blog The discussion post you're saying you would automatically post No, so in discussion what you can do is you can have a calendar as the main topic And when you respond to that with a date and then anything it creates an event in the calendar that you have in discussion So people can navigate the calendar to see the meeting Meeting notes and details. So they don't have to go through the thread. They go through the responses So you can see the link that I provided there Basically, we're gonna update constantly the calendar Yeah, so no one has to go through the We can create the calendar and we can update the calendar after the meeting and keep it over there as a Meetings I like that. I never I don't think I've seen this community blog one probably because I don't run the community blog But I think it's very useful Matthew says that he has a script which can automatically generate the post from Fedekal entries as well So So To continue on with the presentation You can be a part of mindshare and we absolutely would love for more people to run for mindshare For about two years now. We've been trying to increase Engagement in mindshare understanding of mindshare You know what we're doing what we're all about, you know, this was something that Becks had kicked off and it was an evolution from a couple other things, right? And it was kind of this. Hey, we're trying to bring a bunch of different, you know Kinds of functions and responsibilities altogether and make it a more unified thing. So we're open to You know Fedora veterans Fedora newbies. We're always welcome to new perspectives on the committee So there are elected seats. There's one open every release cycle and You know, we want to be upfront about what being a part of the committee means and it's about One to three hour commitment per week, right? So we have that weekly meeting There's an early one and a late one. So a lot of folks are just doing every other meeting, right? It's there in a pack time zone. They don't want to come to the meeting. That's at 4 p.m. Eastern time Like that's just not even possible. Hopefully they're asleep the ball. I'm looking at you Hopefully they're asleep at that time and There's some people we have in the US that Don't necessarily want to come to an 8 a.m. Meeting or maybe even earlier for them So, you know, it's maybe about You can skip every other meeting depending on what your time zone is But in general, it's a one to three hour commitment per week So if you're not coming to a meeting, that's totally fine But we want you to look through the logs vote on tickets at your commentary as you're able We also hope that people on the mind share committee would be up to attending events like nest like the release parties Like the office hours that we have it, you know other conferences You know, we would hope that you would be able to be involved, but not everyone is, you know, it's there's a mixture of A lot of time commitment and allowances that we have we all have different limitations So we're open to you know working with people and whatever your schedule is we can do something To make that work. So we invite people who are interested to be a part of mind share and Thank you. Thank you for listening that went about a half an hour. So now we can take questions I think I'm going to Take down my screen just so that we can see everyone's faces a little bit bigger Oh I have to actually Will like respond to the polls to be able to See what the answers are Take half weird coffee So cool, most of the people here know what mind share is already Yes, but some people are saying no or they're not quite sure so I'm going to put up a new one I Hope this presentation answer there seven votes in this perspective answer the question What's my share doing it and an answer the question All right, I just published a new poll Yeah Did a squirrel actually cut your fiber optic cable, are you just making a joke? I don't know, but I'm sure it did like I didn't see it doing it But you know whenever I take out my car scooter and it tries to run in front of me just so that I saw her trip You know trying to save it super even looking squirrel. I'm telling you It might Yeah, all right, so in our poll definitely Answer that if you're able to After the presentation, do you have a bet? Oh, I have a typo in there might be okay, so two people are still not sure so if you would like in the Q&A Ask us about what you're not sure about and what you can do is post it anonymously if you you know, you don't want to Say who you are. That's totally fine. And For now, we'll start answering the Q&A and then hopefully we can you know get to those questions That might clarify things for you. So the first question is Can you mention or talk a little bit about Fedora hatches? I never Got deeper on what was the intention behind them. I know Mexico had one. So I'm happy to take this one Okay, please So Fedora hatch was something that came out of the desire to see people in person We had a discussion post about this year's contributor conference Asking the community whether or not they were comfortable to have an international conference Most of the people who answered on the thread said they weren't but that they were sorely still missing Fedora people and that they wanted to see their Fedora friends, so They would be comfortable going to local in-person meet-ups so we put a call for volunteers to Organize these local in-person meet-ups that were going to happen right around nest, right? So like in July in August. We're hoping maybe beforehand, but I think we have a couple there or one that's coming after So this is a chance for people to get together during the summer around the time we're having this virtual contributor conference to see Fedora friends in person. So That's basically the idea behind the hatch. It's another it's like an offshoot of Nest and it's a much much smaller version of hatch. So it's like art. Sorry a flock. It's a local It's a local in-person meet-up So I hope that answered your question Edward Yeah, go for it There's a question about if there's any post about a mineshake or a mineshake dog So all marketing posts also going will also tag mineshare Technically you don't have If it is about just marketing something is related to marketing you can keep it is only in marketing time It's not necessarily has to be tagging mineshare But if you think that it's also some topics It's relative and or important or needs to be known by mineshare people or it's also some connections Yes, you can use even both in this matter. So Just choices is basically up to what you're posting and what is about so it can be even completely something else and also can be Relevant to us, but that's basically content of the About I hope that allows for the question So I didn't add a thing about the marketing team as I know that there's like a lot of efforts going on there and if Those folks feel like, you know, that's going to be sustained and it kind of keeps going and going We would love to have a marketing representative on Mineshare the seats on mineshare are not set, right? So we had a websites representative for a very long time And then we changed that right so the websites became websites and apps and the team revamped itself And so we had like a change of what the representative was called. We also had a change of representative So at one point, I don't think we had a mentor projects At one point we didn't have a design team. So really Folks can come and go right if the team is act if your team is active and you're doing outreach type efforts We would love to have a representative Join mine share. So that's something that's up to the marketing team We don't want to force anyone to take on extra responsibilities or commitments that they're not ready for But if over time Marketing feels like they want to be involved in this discussion. That's absolutely something we can do So Vipo, do you want to take the next question from Justin? Yeah, I was just thinking about that. So If I look at mineshare, it's it's not really one defined team is Multiple people doing their own thing and they take initiatives and then it end up being Part in the mineshare committee because they're representing there and if they need resources they can participate a couple of examples We are doing federal week of diversity and we are doing accessibility working group volunteer calling right now These things are not directly in mineshare, but if you look at the certain tasks that would come up in future It would require DEI Say for a week of diversity would need a budget. They would open a ticket They would need help from different people different special interest group coming up giving talks and same goes for accessibility working group Right will require a lot more things Just different people showing up and helping us doing the part from design to diversity and packages marketing So a lot of initiatives that are being taken community happened to be just open But they can be classified under say council mineshare because we can tap those resources and availability that we have there They are not necessarily distinct or sandboxed in there. That is at least that's how I see it so Keeping an eye open on what's happening in the community You would be able to participate in any one of those Discussion has changed a lot of this. You don't need to participate or be subscribed to too many meaningless to see what's happening and Once you join something, it's very it's a big possibility that anything beyond engineering would touch mineshare at some point and any Working group or any sake to grow. I feel it has to expand beyond just one focus group and touch different fields and groups So I would say from my understanding Is whatever you find interesting just participating in that and see what kind of resources and help you need and how you can tap into mineshare resources and council expertise and it will work there. Yes and wrong. I would like to add something about it. Hold on before you add just because this video will go up on YouTube and the question won't be there. I just want to read it out so that people know what question we're answering. Do you think there are other ways to engage people in mineshare like activities without necessarily being a part of my chair? Or how can someone participate in cross team efforts without being elected to the team? Give one example is to me from myself, which was when ambassador program was kind of become not so many active When the mineshare is become getting active and getting grow, I even specifically asked what should I do? And I wasn't even part of it. I just all the simple ones were as usual in every single Federal team was just the same. He's joined the meeting. Give your opinion, say something. And if you know something is better than any of us, please make your statement and give your idea. Maybe you find something even better than any of us. Or it could be maybe not perfect, but we can improve and help you to make your idea better or make it that we all can be happy about it based on the suggestion or participation doesn't require a title. That's actually same for entire Federa. Titles is just show that your activity, your volunteer level. But in Federa, even if I'm not any of these every single groups, I can just go to their meeting, listen to that and give my opinion about it in their respectable role. So I think that's also same as cross-mineshare as well. Yeah, I would agree. I have one more thing to add. So there is a very concrete way to participate in cross-team efforts, which is not my share, which is the program management team. And I've gone to the program management team a couple of times asking for program managers to be a part of, you know, NEST or Federa Week of Diversity or the annual contributor survey. And those are people who, you know, want to focus on those kinds of efforts are really into organizational activities who want to be the glue between the different teams, right, and help make sure things are moving. I'm pretty sure we also have someone from the program management team a part of the website and apps revamp. So that's, that's like a very concrete way. If like that's what you care about doing very specifically, you can join up with the program management team. So I just wanted to mention that before we move on. But I hope that answered your question, Justin. So I'm going to go to the next question. Any future goals for Mineshare in the next one or two release cycles? So does anyone have something they'd like to add to that? I have some but not the full answer. Maybe Maria can help me out with that. Some of the goals is coming from elected representatives to say what they want to do in the mineshare. So every people come with their plans. And that plans is also depending on what's coming into it. But then it comes to general next cycle plans. That's where yes, Maria wants to say something better than me, I believe. Please. So I don't know if everyone on the call knows this, but I am going to be moving on from the FK position. So I don't have personally very strong goals for my chair, but I know things that I'd like to see. Part of the reason I'm moving on is because I've just done a lot and I want to see someone with new energy take this on and give Fedora their best, right? I don't think I can do that anymore. My energy has definitely been depleted a little bit. But it's because I love Fedora and the community so, so very much. But something I'd like to see is our mineshare queue not be 50 tickets. So even if that means closing things because it's out of scope, that's fine. You know what I mean? Like things can be out of scope. Things can be sale. But if, you know, just making what the team is looking at at one time a bit more manageable. I'd also like to see it if it's possible bringing the mineshare community together in person. I really think that, you know, something that's missing in our governance and in some of our teams is that, you know, face to face connection. It makes a huge difference. It also gives people a space to just focus on mineshare or just focus on council or just focus on festival, right? Or just focus on Fedora overall, right? Whereas when we're doing these virtual events, it's great because it's accessible to so many more people. We have all the distractions of being at home, you know, cooking ourselves lunch, you know, dealing with the kids, dealing with the pets, taking the trash out. No matter what it is, you know, there's all kinds of stuff going on at home. So it's just not as immersive and it's not as deep of a connection for people, right? And then you just have the scheduling issue of getting everyone together. Like I was trying to organize a council virtual face to face and there was literally no times that even half of us could be there. And we were just like, well, this is not going to work out, right? Like we need at least half of the council to be able to participate in it or it's like just me bed and not you, which we're great. But you know, we're just through people and we don't want to make decisions like for all of Fedora. That's not what we're here to do. We're here to help and to help guide and bring the resources that are needed, right? So I'd like to see a shorter queue for Mindshare. I'd love to see a little bit of updated docs, which I didn't mention, but I'd like to see and it's hope something I hope to be able to kind of do in my wrap up time as fcake. And then I'd also like to see for Mindshare to be able to get together in person. I have I love the idea of in person hack first. I also have another visual thinking. Now I don't know the possibility and visibility of it is public budget if possible, so that Mindshare committee members can make informed decision of where the money should go, or what what how much more money do we have to be able to sponsor different things that would enable a lot of Mindshare committee members I feel Yes, I'm going to take accountability for this and say that I have not done as good of a job as Backstead with the budget reporting. He has skills to build websites and work on websites and that's not something I have. So I was not able to continue his budget website. And I had, you know, ideas for these quarterly budget reports, and you know, it just got swept along in the current with all of the other, you know, small things and big things. But most recently we have worked on a budget report for 2022. And there's a draft out there mean the intern that's working with me, Issa, are, you know, kind of making changes based on the Mindshare committee's feedback. And we're going to be sharing that in a blog post. So that's something that we're trying to do to fix it, but I'm going to take full accountability and say I have not done a great job in that part of the FK role. So I apologize for that. And I think I could have done. No, I think the challenge was not having better system in place that it was not a decent. The interface that I could easily turn. Yeah, if you have to climb a mountain to do this task, it's not a great asset. What I'm trying to say is having an easier workflow to handle this is better way to handle the budget so that community can have more insight and easy for FK to update it. All of those combined so no one should be battling this tasks and clearly that's there's enough going on in community. That's big enough. I just want to say, you know, the FK job is great, but it's, you know, it's like a, it's a big role. There's lots to it. And plenty of things pop up that you don't even expect that take up a lot of time and energy. Okay, so let's try to get through a few more of these questions. We have 10 minutes left. Any challenges? Are there any challenges that you think the mind share committee faces? A lot. Do I just want to honor all? Well, I mean, you just say a couple of the challenges about badges. It's actually kind of team that website team made me can help. Would have helped you, but decisions, you know, the revamp and stuff. Maybe the next FK wouldn't have this problem based on your feedback, hopefully, and we have a better system like interface you mentioned. So that's actually one of the challenges right now. In this, in this very talk, we can just say it's a challenge. And some of the challenges is I believe is sometime I can say it's going to be a bit of a better sweep kind of situation. It means standing stuff for the people is definitely a challenge. I know Mary what exactly she's feeling it. I had some problems as well. Even people in people, I think it has more problematic situations based on the country. So that's also one of the other challenges. I guess you can say as a fun one. And also I think another challenges is is like everyone else in the community is my chair was also getting started. Getting together. It's a fresh project as well. Like it's not like super, super old, but it's a fresh look and a fresh way to represent a lot of stuff. I think I'm saying correct. Okay, so getting together and put this a lot of themes in together and which is a lot of responsibility controlling it having this stuff. So it says like it's at the moment like a lot of us just putting it in and makes that make it a connections and trying to find the proper people and make this community active and happy organizing events. Like if you just if I just keep saying our missions, you will basically understand that this is actually a challenge. Each task is actually a challenge because we need to accomplish. So it's not necessarily it should be hard or easy, but it's a challenge and it's a responsibility in the mind share that having it through. Plus, it's a fresh start and all the fresh stuff is not something I'm super easy to bring together. I think on that section, Marie did a great job. So I definitely congratulate him here in here. Vipul, did you want to add? Yeah, all of that and this general thing that is not it's a global problem to be honest. Community committee where exactly what affects defined goal of what you have to do. If it was just about doing tickets or if you're just about giving votes on these things. It's different thing, but each mindset committee to their own thing and recently everyone has their own things to do. So expecting people to show up while that's what exactly I would like to see more people to show up in meetings more people to have conversations. If you're a elected member, if you're a mindset member, I would like to see a comment on every tickets. That's what we'd love to see. That's the challenge. But it's not that people are just not interested. If you look at behind why it's happening, you would explore there are so many things going on. It's not just mindset problem, but it's general community problem everywhere. Some more somewhere more somewhere less. So people being able to show up being in the right mindset to be able to do the tasks aware of their responsibilities and aware of their rights and what they can do their power. So that's the challenge I would say. And again, a large part of it is COVID because everyone has a lot going on. Everyone has kids and family at home, not everyone, but most of us. So it's a bit challenging in that case. I did the biggest challenge. I won't just meet Marie. That's my challenge. In person. In person, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would agree. I was going to say, if you didn't say that, and you beautifully said, and I think part of it is people being willing to say, this is not something I can do anymore. And that's something that's really hard to say, right? Or, you know, having that honest conversation and saying I want to, but I mean, I need to make some changes in order to make it work, right? Most of the people on my chair are doing stuff all over the project. Like we're busy people. We have other things that we care about, especially the representatives from teams, you know, we're doing all this stuff over here with the team. And then there's also the mind share happening, right? So any part of it is, you know, being able to address that with members of the committee. And I really try to do that. You know, if I notice someone isn't around that much or it might seem like they're struggling, I have a conversation with them on the side. And I just say, hey, you know, what's going on? How are you, you know, is this something that, you know, you want to continue doing? And if not, it's totally okay. So a lot has been going on with COVID. I think we've all had our, you know, dose of mental health stuff, just dealing with the change, dealing with adapting to it, dealing with all of the kind of social division and stuff that's been happening, like sociopolitical stuff that's been happening. Just like a lot going on in the world. So I think that's actually just like a huge challenge overall. But I do try to help mitigate that a little bit by having, you know, honest and empathetic, compassionate conversations with the people who are on the committee. So we have time for one more question. Let's try to get it in. Had of curiosity a question to you all, what's your favorite way of engaging with the community? Would it be more in-person events or other activities? Candy swaps. Well, I think for these years and years before we can say we all love to engage our community in person events. I guess that's going to be one of the generalize for all of us. Can I agree with it? I hope. I have not write Turkish candy on it all. So I prepared it for my friends. It's already waiting for you with other baklava's and others. Don't worry. I got you covered, my friends. I got you covered. You know me. I know you. I know. So that's kind of one of the favorite way of engaging. Friendship in person. We want to do, even if you are far away, we just want to, this friendship and engagement is also one of the foundation of further is our, at least for me, it's my favorite way of engaging. So I think my favorite way, definitely in person events. I love the candy swap. Like, I miss just hanging out with people and chatting. But as fcake, it's definitely given me a unique opportunity to connect with contributors in a way that I didn't really is just a contributor. Like, you know, when I was previously just a contributor, this has given me a different opportunity. I like being part of Mindshare too. But, you know, being fcake role, people reach out to me with things that they never would have. And I'm able to connect with them, you know, on a really personal level. And I think this is definitely a balance of, you know, energy, not putting too much of my own energy, not losing too much of my own energy in it, but also connecting with people. And really, like, personal things that I just never would have. And I've met so many people and befriended so many people because of this. And, you know, the support, the support I've gotten back from those people, it just, it's like, magnitudes more, right? Like, I give some and then people are just like so happy to have that interaction and that connection with me. And they come back to Fedora like, I want to do all this stuff. And it's just, it's like kind of magical. So I have really enjoyed having one-on-one relationships with a ton more community members than I ever had in the past. I have one more. Beautiful answer Marie, by the way. I may be biased. Shout out to Yuna. Social time in Fedora Mentor Summit. By the way, Yuna and I did Fedora Mentor Summit with a lot of other volunteers. Thank you everyone. That was great for me. I may be biased. All right, folks. I have to be in another session right now. So I definitely need to run. But thank you all so much for the thoughtful questions. Thank you, Anurabh and Zabal for being a part of the session with me. Y'all are great. And to all the MindShare committees that MindShare committee members who couldn't be here. We miss you. And we'll see you online next week. Bye, folks. Bye-bye.