 What was it like working with Leonard Cohen you did such a beautiful job on his album and I had a picture of you with him. Yeah well that's that's Leonard and then that's Viva's first birthday Viva is Rufus's daughter who's Leonard's grandchild. Just making the music family even larger. Rufus knows to go for the big time. I like that he wore a suit to it. Oh yeah he's the only ever in a suit you know and he sleeps in a suit but I've known Leonard since I was a teenager because I used to hang out a lot with his daughter we were very good friends and and I was a huge Leonard Cohen fan I always have been always will be and and I remember hanging out with her in her house in LA and I you know then you would see the character you would see this guy in a fedora and in the suit you know walking on the lawn you know and there would be like a beautiful woman with him and it was like this calmness and he would say hello Lord God come in and then he would ask me to play my songs for him and I would play the songs and Martha I really like that song and and then I was practicing songs and he was living upstairs when I was at his daughter's house and then he came down he said I've been listening to that song you've been writing I think that's really wonderful I don't think you should you know don't sell that to anybody and you know I want you to make sure that you if you sign a record deal that these people will allow you to be who you are as an artist and it was like very paternal and very lovely and very loving and it was a big deal for me obviously that but he took a lot of time to listen and to to just give advice and all these things so that was nice