 All right, and we are live Yeah, I think the standards for heart rates heart rate like a standard heart rates Especially for people in our age group are off like I don't know when they created these but I feel like it's Closer to when you know people are age. I don't know two steps closer to death. I don't know I was talking to my PT today and like yeah, like isn't isn't the step count wrong, too Is there us like apparently it was just like randomly decided by these Japanese scientists, but like Nobody really needs 10,000 steps. You're just fine. It's like like 5,000 is really 10,000 feels like such an arbitrary number. It's like why 10,000? Yeah, I think a lot of like help that now default like 6,000 is like, oh thank goodness because it was As someone who is very susceptible to game gamification that that feel I was like, no, I can't do this anymore I just don't like taking my bad person. I need a new mic Speaking of gamification. I have like no Friends in the fitness world even though I try so hard like to be on everything I'll be friends you on Strava. I have not I use Strava. I pay for it because I like I like um, they're topographical maps. I do too But I don't really I walk rarely so it's fun when I use them, but I Oh, yeah, see I'm a hiker and But I got into it because for some reason I realized that I have a lot of friends who mount bike And when I was in New York, I found out this is a California thing apparently So barely it's a California thing to mountain bike. It is not like an east coast thing True somebody confirmed this for me at least my at least at least a mid-atlantic thing I mean like mountain bike like New England like I have a buddy lives in New Hampshire and that it's huge mountain biking, you know Right, right. I would imagine right you live in Vermont. You'd want to I guess that's true. I Admitted letting folks don't got a lot of mountains. So yeah, I was gonna say Wayne you're in Colorado. I feel like oh, sorry I was thinking I'm always thinking I was a Marylander. Yeah, I call it no people here in Colorado bike I was thinking sorry Maryland hat people in Colorado do all those All those things that watches Are advertised? Yes, and I don't do any of them. I feel like I feel like at some point someone from the Colorado State Department Is gonna knock on my door Excuse me I am you first of all, you don't drive a Subaru. I do actually there's one thing But I don't have a dog. I don't have a dog. I don't ski. There are a lot of work I'm sorry, I don't like hiking. I like I only like just give me the exercise But I hate bugs Yes, can I hide on the place all wipes in my bag? Oh All those I need though Yeah, you know you get like the little travel packs. I need them And so if you have to use an outhouse you can like Oh, where were we? I think we went up to Calistoga Bay or something one time and we took my mom Maybe it was Calistoga. I think it was one of those places. No, or maybe it was I was uh, Rotating my husband. It was one of those bathrooms. It's just a hole in the ground Literally, it's like an outhouse with a hole that goes to nowhere and I turned around. I was like, oh, shit What what? I Think really to cause I mean, this is the show itself, but we yeah, but you're so I've said shit several times. I've been very happy I'm trying it just a little bit. You know, it's fine as long as we're not like explicit like like, uh, Vulgar, you know, I mean like michelle has a we're off camera. Michelle just curses up a storm. Oh, yeah, I don't know Shocking just shocking Give me all the live listeners the false impression of me. I'm the I'm the actually the one that needs to watch it That's flow knows Oh, I did too. I'm just keeping it under wraps. I was wondering I was trying to okay It's live stream. So I guess I'll say here I was trying to think of a metaphor for one of the stories and some of ball punching. I was like, oh, wait I meant maybe that's too much for the Yeah, kind of a little bit People people with the the hardware involved might feel Yeah Unsettle it. I'm sorry. I don't mean to scare or offend anyone who has that the It's like when people talk about pinching at st. Patrick's day Like I get a visceral feeling of being pinched and I don't like it put on the back of the arm. That's like, yeah No, that's funny Oh, too good. Um No one in the chat room is saying anything about my, uh, audio level So I assume I'm okay. Oh, it's brilliant. I didn't even notice today. It's not good. It's good Where is where is the chat room for all y'all? Um, and if you look at the upper right hand corner in the comments tab On your screen above the private chat one, you can see all the the chat from the oh, yeah So there's all the youtube and uh twitch chatters so There you go All right, everybody as you can see the lovely Florence ion is with us Florence. Do you prefer flow or Florence? What would you when we're doing the show? What would you rather me say? I mean y'all call me flow. So just call me flow. I know. Well, what is your last name? I feel like I got it's like It's like flow ion is I go I lean on Florence ion All right, a quick reminder to everybody that we need you to help us pick a title for the show So as the show is going and we say wacky things go to af.showbot.tv And uh and enter in your your title choices. Um, we love you for it and we will review them when the show is over Um, because it's it's a fun thing to do all right, um Before we get started quick show of hands to everybody on the show Who's tired of the word pixel? I'm tired of another word. It's a two-letter word. Oh that one the The one that turns into a verb Is a dp developer preview the one that would that one that we weren't allowed to do a drinking game on if we were watching Oh, that one. Sorry. Yes It's fair. So all right because we would die We're almost through it. So all right. Um Shall we do the show shall we get started sure shall we? When you are good for the intros I'm good for the intro. All right. Well, um, all right So flow and michelle I will and say goodbye to everybody and we'll bring you back in a moment. So I always forget what I'm supposed to do. Oh michelle word. How'd you get up there? Oh, there you are I did the wrong thing What are you laughing at? Just nervous. It's like just saw my face like oh god Hey, welcome to android faithful your weekly source for the latest news hardware and apps in the year-over-year Increasingly made by google world of android. I'm went into it now and i'm ron richards And i'm michelle ron Excellent. We made it through pixel week Yep And fortunately we couldn't be there like as the show went on but uh now we can talk about it a whole full week later And we had to get somebody who was there and so we're super excited to welcome to her first episode of android faithful Miss florence ion. Welcome to the show Bring back that edm intro. I was like Fancy, right? There you go Plotting We are we are very lucky to have really good music. So yeah Yeah, I mean that's it's so catchy and dancey. I love it Right up until my face goes on the screen I'm just like this in the background just hoping that I get a couple more bars in until I have to say the thing I want to get my glow sticks out like I wanted to be a raver when I was a kid But obviously I wasn't allowed to leave the house that I know same Well flow we're super excited to have you on the show not only because you were at the google pixel event in new york city last week but because You're part of the fam you're part of the the the android fam that we've created here So we're super excited for you to come with us Speaking of fam a couple of things to promote since we forgot to promote it at the beginning of the show last week Let's promote it at this We've grown at the end. Let's promote the start So last week was pixel week. We celebrated pixel leave on the show last tuesday and then wednesday was pixel palooza Right. So when you join jason on twit, right? Yeah, so if you want to just really watch the entire you know event with our commentary and jokes or odd other noises Not too many of those you can check out twit.tv slash. What was it news? I think it was on the twit news. Yeah, maybe I google 2023 and I and if you miss jason You get both of us for like an hour and a half And I'll admit it was it was fun to watch the pixel event with my friends win and jason talking talking about everything But uh, it doesn't stop there because we got new fam right and uh Michelle, what did you do after the event? I went on dts. You know good day internet to talk about the show after it had already ended That was a crazy day because it had been like non-stop Here all these new devices here the new phones. Here's android 14. Here's the watch. Here's the new buds and like Oh my gosh, it was crazy. Yeah, so then afterwards we just had to Time to decompress and just talk about everything that google unveiled and now we've had time to actually relax and You know parse it all actually parse through everything that google announced. Have we had time to relax? No, not really Not at all So you can go back and relive because michael just today you sent out like seven telegram messages. Okay. I'm on that feed I see you pushing that news Well, so you can go back and enjoy michael on dts It's on the dts podcast feed or go to youtube.com slash daily tech news show You can check that out But we didn't stop there because I had to get it on the fun and even though I was busy last wednesday At work all day and I couldn't participate in the fun. I did Get on with friend of the show miriam. Joar onto Miriam's podcast to talk about to kind of recap the event and stuff like that and you can go Find that at world podcast.com And Miriam's podcast is on there mobile tech podcast is called And give it a listen. It was a fun conversation Miriam is always a hoot to get Those opinions, but uh, yeah, so So you think that we'd be all talked out of talking about the pixel event, but Here we are We did it So floe what was the event like tell give us give us the the the boots on the ground kind of story there I mean the event was it was a sprinkling It was a sprinkling of people It wasn't as like big and bustling as I thought it was going to be And I have to say I completely forgot that android 14 came out last week Partially because I was so busy with all the you know, the coverage that I was doing of the hardware and you know The meetings that I had taken with google kind of like to look over the new pixel stuff And I had completely just forgotten that android 14 Launched and I wanted to talk to you guys about this because It's been some time since the event happened And I've kind of been percolating on things and I realized That with this pixel event that google threw There was very little android present Like granted android is the bones of this whole operation But it doesn't exist the way that it did is like an entity before now It's very much like the pixel the pixel features the pixel machine algorithms the tensor in the pixel you see what i'm saying it's very like We it's no longer about the android os like that's not what google is selling anymore. It's very pixel forward Yes, it's well. It's very google forward really and yeah, it's well. Yeah, it's very google forward and and I think you know We've watched google wrestle with branding for how many years now right and trying to you know, because they they They can't own The whole android experience because so many other people are on android So they need to like I could imagine the conference room conversations They have about the branding and whatever agencies they're talking to and things like that about how you need to own something And pixel you can actually own you know Yeah, well even from the presence of the people who were on stage like we had a lot of Product managers we had hardware managers We didn't have Dave Burke and the android team coming out to talk about like here's all the new things because most of what's being done that's like special is part of an app And that ability is unlocked by a specific chip existing inside pixel Right, so it's like the the magic Editor I think is the one that they told us about That's kind of like the big like ai one excuse me That uh is in google photos But it is only available for a brand new pixel. Yep and it comes out Interesting observation. I didn't even think about that. Michelle. What do you think? Uh, yeah, I mean it is interesting that you know because Google as you said they want to own they want to own all the features that they are Releasing they want to tie everything pixel. There are a lot more features Than people are aware of in the new android release But even so because google only decides to highlight a couple of them in their blog posts and their social media posts A lot of users aren't really aware of you know, just how many features and changes actually go into each android release And I think it's a strategic decision by google to not highlight everything because you know, they want to You know push and promote their pixels Exquisite features and those are all the things they showed off at made by google event all the magic editor the video boost the What all the other stuff audio magic eraser all the other stuff that they announced all pixel exclusive features None of them are Nothing to do with like Nothing to do with the android os because at the end of the day when you're going to go to a samsung phone It's going to be a different android experience than we're going to get on the pixel completely different And like even the one one plus now ever since the whole like oppo Makeover with the ui Um, you know, they really took after like color os It's it's a completely its own thing It is Yeah, it's a very interesting thing if you go back and look at some of the other major product launches by like google's partners like Uh one plus like samsung all these other product launches They always have at least one person from the android team like go up and say something about the device Right all these other they have like one person from android say something Oh, we're excited to work on our partnership with with xiaomi with samsung with one plus and they talk about some of the features that are there But then at google's event It's all about just the pixel exclusive features and not really highlighting or promoting android all that much Kind of like a awkward relationship they have Well, so now now you've got my my my tin foil conspiracy theory hat going on michelle and flow because As we all know as we've been tracking here and where in the world is android 14 android 14's rollout has did not go as planned And there is a world that I can imagine where android 14 was out by the time this event happens It was supposed to be out and it didn't go out And it ended up rolling out at the same time as the event So it looks somewhat coordinated But they didn't highlight that in a dramatic fashion anyway Almost to not call attention to it or not, you know, kind of I just feel like they probably had a plan around android And sometime in september they had to scrap that and and this is probably the byproduct of that This is that's all speculation my my side. I have no idea. Well, I mean, I I'm not speculating. That's exactly what I said on the day Like there was a last minute bug. They found that severely degraded performance. Yeah, which you can't have And you can't oh, is that why is that your conspiracy michelle because I was it's not a conspiracy This is exact. This is I heard this like directly. I mean like from from someone I trust Well, I just I wanted to bring it up with you guys because over on My podcast with and a not co on the relay fm network material podcast We published weekly We talk a lot about like this ai first approach that google took and I took down a very specific quote from rick osterloh Where he said it's no longer It's it's about ai first and it feels It just feels like okay. So sundar came out and was like everybody google's gonna be ai first now Alphabet's gonna be ai first So now it feels like every single division coming out of that campus now Has to be like ai first so the android brand just doesn't really push that Well, so now now now we're getting into like rumor and all this other stuff that I heard from A source I trust that that someone on a product team Was work in google has they pulled everyone off to work on ai solutions within their product To show that they can do it better than bard to avoid integrating with bard Which is like classic google left hand right hand kind of stuff where like we saw bard was the thing and blah blah all the stuff And I owe and then you've got people in their own product teams building ai stuff with the with the back end stuff To to do their own thing right which is It's just maddening it never ends. So we're gonna talk about some ai powered features like later on But uh, I don't know if you saw the news earlier today that microsoft is literally just bleeding money on ai I think like 20 dollars per github profile user. They're just losing money How much what is interesting to see how these companies 1799 a month for something Right like all these companies are just throwing money at ai right now seeing what sticks It's like the tech company version of the currency or something Oh, yeah, this is this is actually a good use for it. It's just like we don't know like they are They are really trying to get ahead of the trend. Well, and it's funny. They want to be the ones to lead It's funny because in another section of the company, there's a Network we're completely by the way, we have a whole plan for the show and we're Yeah, we're off. So good job flow. Welcome back. Welcome back To another corner of the google universe that I know and talk to people about and stuff like that That there's a segment of the company that has been building ai tools for years and not calling an ai And nobody objects or has a problem with it and now they're pivoting to start referring to them as ai Because ai is the thing and worried about is there now going to be backlash for these tools that are multi years old That they just never referred to as ai. Yeah, that's I mean and that's like that's kind of a marketing thing And that's why people have to say I mean like google's been doing ai for years It's just that the way that the generative ai revolution I don't even call it that things that guys has has come forward. It makes people change things and okay I've never worked at google. I don't work at google I'm not I'm not referencing anyone that I know that worked at google But all the things and all the conspiracy kind of theories that y'all have I have seen happen with my own eyes at companies that have multiple products That you know have multiple okr sometimes competing okr is competing products and overlapping Of funk feature sets this crap the shit. So yeah, we got sit on this podcast This didn't happen all the time at big companies. I've seen it now at least two of them So I don't think it's so conspiracy. I think whatever you're saying and again I'm not speaking for anybody at google or myself that I believe all of it because that's and it that's what happens when you have a company with So many disparate parts and then someone up high says hey ai is our thing And then everyone has to freaking jump because it's your job or your budget or whatever until you do So better or worse. Yeah, man So I don't I want to try to pull it back to the pixel event but stay on the ai topic because I was excited The day at the end of the day the event when I finally got home and my wife was like Oh, so how was it and flo knows my wife and she's not one of us and and god bless her heart for even remembering There was an event But um, and I was like, oh, I want to show you and I showed her Best take Yeah, I showed her the the video that they showed in the event for best take so anybody listening Like by the way, we're not going to recap everything about the events you guys all like you there There's tons of people have recapped that i'm sure you've all read it and saw it Like we know flow did a great article on kizmodo that with better hands on with the pixel pixel 8 pixel 8 pro and the pixel watch and everything So we're not going to recap specs or you go back and read about the announcements We don't have enough time for that but um, I Showed my wife the best take video and explain that this is the ai thing in google photos that can Take a the best face of people in photos from a batch of photos and let you make the best one And then my wife loves magic erasers. He thinks it's amazing. She uses all the time. She thinks it's very cool She showed that video and she looked at me. She's like, okay now i'm horrified Right and it wasn't about because it can do it. It was Then we had a really great conversation, which I actually talked about miriam on her podcast too, which is, you know What is real? Yeah, right like like isn't isn't the like we have Toddler we have four-year-old two four-year-olds at home The fun is we can't get a family picture where both of them are looking at the camera and smiling And one of them making a face one of them looking one of them playing twiddle those sort of stuff And like now with best take I can do that, but it's not real not real Yeah The moment is the it's the simpsons. It's home. We're grabbing barked by the neck and that being the family photo Like that's the real photo. That's the real moment And it's like do you want to put forward an instagram reality Of like this perfect life and everyone in my family smiles, or do you want to have the reality? And so like you don't have to use it. I don't they use best take But it was it horrified my wife on a like a sociological level So I actually think best take is the realest of the fake features You know what I mean? So because like best take relies on like multiple captures of like, you know at different times, right? And then just stitching two of those together, right? So at least in one of those frames you had like both child making the face you want Sure putting together in the same image some of the other features though like, you know magic editor Completely replacing the sky, right? That that was not what the sky looked like at the time you took the photo or magic eraser itself You're just erasing people who are actually there in the photo, right? Like that's completely fake So I think best take is actually not supposed to be the most controversial of the features But it's still is though because because because it's creating a not real moment Right, it's taking it's you know, like not everyone It has been but maybe like a couple of frames apart. Yeah, I don't know Yeah Of the conversation around AI I should say that since y'all did initially ask me about the event um Google set out all these demo stations throughout the venue where they had set up this This event And it the idea was that you could go through each of these little stations and try out the different new AI Things that you could do so I went and I tried out like the audio Uh clear calling one so that I could hear what it's like to have a call In a loud subway come through actually is very clear Um, have you know Yay And they were also doing some demos for the photography Portion of it all but that is like the one thing that's been coming up a lot amongst people is that best take thing and I don't know that I necessarily find it scary more than just like It's not about the hardware anymore Except when it comes to a temperature sensor Wait, which oh, I completely forgot about the temperature sensor which I was boggled by I haven't thought about it since I wrote the Last week it almost felt like a throwaway when was it rig who talked about the the temperature sensors Like oh if you want to check the the temperature of your pan or and I forgot any mention the baby bottle Okay, excuse me very quickly. I have never had my phone near me when I was warming up a bottle And the also thing was is that like dealing with bottles I've never had a pair of hands enough to take the phone open the app and point at the thing This is what I'm saying and once again I go back I go back to my my normal wife and I say oh they add it for some unknown reason They added a temperature sensor to the front of the pixel pro and she's like oh So you can take my temperature. I'm like well. No, we can't do that yet The FDA hasn't approved it as a device to take human temperatures. It's not even FDA approved It's and I think that they're gonna do the whole thing with this that they did with solely They're gonna put it like they did in the pixel 4 and then next year You're not gonna see any more mention of this temperature sensor It's gonna probably rolled in into a smart display I that's what they're gonna do I can't fathom why they decided to Talk about that and not the fact that the pixel 8 face unlock has been upgraded Which is actually low-key one of the biggest I didn't even know was upgraded until I read somebody else's article It's like this is one of the biggest upgrades Actually, I think this is the only Android smartphone with a class 3 face unlock Which means you can use it for unlocking in banking apps or using it to make payments in google wallet It's the only phone that I've seen that has that That level of security for a face unlock and it's purely Purely with a single front facing camera and machine learning algorithms optimized to detect whether or not your face is a real face It's not just a photo of your face or you know if you're actually moving or not And like that's actually a huge improvement because all the other phones that I've tried that I've like checked What the security level is they're all like class 2, which is a lower lower tier of security for the biometric sensor So this is like one of the biggest upgrades and it is mentioned in their blog posts But they didn't bring it up during the keynote at all, which is very surprising to me Michelle Okay, what's the class of um apples face? ID module so the whole class thing is just a purely android concept like Their own thing the class is just a way for android to tear different biometric sensors. I got it. I got it. Okay Yeah, I mean and even like in the in the chat They're saying this is the first i've heard about the face unlock upgrade and like michelle That's a great point like it was in the blog post, but it wasn't in the presentation and like is that You know like are they Skating around the hot button issues that people, you know, like they're but to all of our points There's so there was so much packed into this event and so much packed into android 14 It's so much packed into the devices that they couldn't get through everything right so It's probably good to hit on some of the other other things. Um, so face unlock was a huge thing Ultra hdr android 14 right michelle right that that one is massive And I don't think a lot of reviewers are ready for what that brings because what does that mean So right now the pixel 8 pro pixel 8 pro are the froze phones to capture photos in the new ultra hdr format It's a new file format. That's fully backward compatible with jpeg. I'm sure you're all familiar with like the ubiquitous jpeg Right, but what this does is it stores basically the jpeg, but with additional metadata that allows it to be shown on standard sdr displays as well as high dynamic range HDR displays so you can have the same photo appear, you know as normal on regular displays on your regular tv and your regular monitor and then appear super Bright crisp with high contrast colors and everything on hdr display and even if you're viewing this on video I can't show this you can't get this effect unless you actually have a phone or a display with an hdr Monitor and you go to the example Repository that I created for this. This is something you just have to see to understand And once you see it you you understand wow, this makes a massive difference just in the photos we take right now because a lot of things a lot of the Issues with the current photos we take on phones is that we've been using like this old definition of hdr Which is just you know taking multiple photos and like trying to you know mix the exposure and a lot of times you have like this blown out sky and you have like this foreground that's like you know kind of Washed out or in contrast, right? You have a lot of these issues with photography and then with this hdr You can you can kind of have both the best of both worlds you can have a really bright vibrant sky and also You know not to have the foreground be washed out so like there's all all these advantages that Ultra hdr brings but unfortunately because it's limited support and the fact that a lot of social media platforms and apps don't support it or they Basically strip out the data when you upload it Um, you're not going to be able to get that proper effect when you like see All the reviews on the pixel 8 go live So, uh, if I if you want to see what ultra hdr looks like I encourage you to go to that android police article that I wrote and check out Some of the examples there. Yeah over at android police calm Uh, you just search for hands on with ultra hdr and android 14 the future of photography good headline writing never shall so um Flo did you get to take pictures at the event? Did you get to play with the camera? How does it? How does it? How did it look and feel? Yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's fine. I can't um, you know, I can't really make an assessment without Yeah, doing your thing tangible anecdotal evidence because a phone will always seem really great the minute that you pick it up the first time It's just a demo there that you can like paw at the temperature sensor by the way Couldn't really figure out how to get it You know focused on like a surface. I didn't really understand that. Um, I will say the one thing that I remember Is that the ui has changed? for uh, the pixels camera app on the new eight and eight pro and It's a little more streamlined, but also a little different now. You kind of jump into a video mode Instead of going into like its own tab You go into a camera mode and then you choose between like the video And photo mode and then that gives you corresponding settings based on the mode that you're in Yeah interesting iterative Yeah, it's just these little things that you know I think I saw that on my promo fold the other day and I was very confused because I I actually flipped around Did they update the camera? I I don't yeah because it's like a little and it's flipped around, right? Yeah, it's it's a little toggle at the bottom. And so like this yesterday I was cooking and I was doing videos and I kept looking for the video Uh menu item that normally you would drag to and I was like what's going on It finally took me like looking at it for several seconds. I can be like, oh, it's now a toggle at the bottom No, yeah Okay, never you can't and the interesting that the pro mode controls aren't in like its own Mode it's like just that you press the settings button and it shows the pro controls there Like a lot of other camera apps they have a separate dedicated tab for pro controls So it is I don't I can't decide by the way if that makes it more user friendly or not because I will say like going into a Pro mode on a samsung device Can be very intimidating if you do not understand and I felt like what google was presenting was a lot more Approachable for you see that common user raw or jpeg, you know, do you want to shoot 12 megapixel or do you want to shoot 50 megapixel? All right So overall though after watching the event break it down for the past week phones, you know the temperature sensor was a surprise face unlock h.g. Or surprise Thumbs up thumbs down on what we've seen so far or any other I mean I pre-ordered a pixel 8 So that says it all right there. Yeah. Yeah I like the colorways. I thought they looked at the photo Okay, hold on. Hold on. I have I have something to say about the colorways I did not like that google went pink with the smaller pixel and then blue with the pro pixel I would have rather they just stuck to one hue Or just the same offer. Yeah, just yeah have it have it be some sort of blue like what they did last year They had kind of the lighter green on the pixel 7 and then they had the darker green on the pixel 7 pro I was fine with that they kind of matched, you know, and then the 7a came out and it was like, you know This blue so I was thinking, oh, we're gonna have blue coming next Reluctantly, I pre-ordered a pink pixel 8 Not proud of it. All right. I I probably would have chosen that color too though flow. So It was black or white and you know, I'm trying to put color in my life. So All right, so let's move on to the watch Flow, I know wearables is a big thing for you on your side of pixel watch too Hands on at the event You know, not not much change in terms of the look from last year, right? A lot of it seems to be inside You know the the four pins for charging and the and all the other sensors and stuff like that, but Michelle went when anything that jumped out to you for the for the watch and the wear OS side or Where was to finally let you like do backups on the cloud and also let you transfer Between what phones without having to factory reset your watch, which is amazing. Yeah, that that was a pain I think any reviewer is jumping enjoyed at hearing that news. Yep It made no sense backing up my Samsung watch and only having Samsung portion of it back up and not the android portion of it Right and of course wear OS 4 it was announced is now stable and available on the pixel watch too. So right well, so supposedly this has got a better heart rate monitor because they It's it's called a multi-zone sensor so it taps into board I have to read a little more into it because Definitely when it comes down like to the internals of these wearables. I'm still learning a lot because you know fitness Fitness for me is going for a walk every day so So understanding how this stuff gives me the stats, you know, I still want the stats at the end of the day And supposedly this is going to be More accurate than what was on the first pixel Supposedly the Fitbit charge six is within the same vein like that also boasts a better heart rate monitor I think Google's just trying to Establish itself as like we're a wellness brand too by the way and look we do all of these things But you know, I'm so I'm so fine with what I have on the samsung watch Yeah, how you know, how am I gonna find? Yeah, that just seemed like a theme I'm gonna you know with the pixel watch too, right? So this is plain catch up So it has to have a stress it has to have the stress monitoring and stress letting you know It has to have the improved heart rate monitor have to let you know what zone it's in By the way, we do sleep and whatever it just feels Like catching up so I don't think there's anything astounding It's just like yeah, you know that that makes sense and so much fit I mean the Fitbit integration is just like like hey, we bought Fitbit remind you we bought Fitbit We bought Fitbit, you know and so um, that's on there. All right. We were running so long Elephant in the room. No, it's not your fault. No, this is great. It's fantastic elephant in the room though seven years of updates That was my favorite thing. That was my favorite thing. I was very happy to see that But turned into be controversial. Yeah I don't know. So like I remember I think when I was on with Jason He asked me so what did you like and the first thing I said was seven years of updates because we've been talking about every single story that Around the socio-economic numbers yada yada right to repair and I remember seeing the next day I think was like maybe the next day mkbhd put out a video And and like linus tech tips and a lot of you were like, well Yeah, seven years, but can you trust google they've canceled so many services and I have to admit I had such A weird I I had a reaction to their reaction. I know michelle like you and like uh friend Of the show banshee and over 95 Everyone was kind of piling in on yeah, why why is everyone freaking out about this? And I mean like the gist of it is a lot of these, you know tech media folks were saying well Yeah, seven is great, but can you really trust google they've canceled so many things and like uh Mark case on on his video went through things like stadia and like of course we just talked about Google podcasts and stuff and and it it honestly it bugged the shit out of me like honestly this This all bugs the shit. I mean, okay, so this is so this is as my perspective and like maybe ron is where you can chime in Like, okay, I get it like general yada yada yada mistrust of google It's a lot different to to to say okay, and and even uh mark is talking about the difficulties of things like stadia and like trying to build a user base for a new product That's a lot different. That's apples and oranges to saying we're going to continue to support a device for seven years That's apples and oranges like and you and and if and if we went at that tack and like questioned whether they you know The the the discussion was around that I'd agree with that but like I just don't get it It just feel it just really felt to me like okay now we're going to complain about this because I don't know because seven years is great. Let's just try to other side this It just drove me a little bit nuts because it's apples and oranges and mom like I don't as a product person Building a new product in a new user base for new product is a lot different than supporting something that you already have had for Several years, right? Yeah, and I agree. I mean from that standpoint from you know the support kind of thing But to me my perspective on this was I thought that I thought the slamming was a little unfair because lord knows We're harsh on google and we'll call them out when they kill things and all that sort of stuff that they're doing but This is a promise for support for a device where if they go back on that couldn't they technically be sued like Is it like is it isn't that commitment like this is a yeah live Yeah, this is like there could be a class action suit if they back out on that because this is a support structure Kind of thing. It's not a feature thing. It's not a hey We're gonna have this gaming platform and you know not how people are using it or we wanted to or Or you know, we're gonna create this piece of hardware that we're gonna shut that down Whatever it might be like that's up to their own prerogative. You've never had a commitment to keep putting out a product But by making a commitment to support a product you put out I believe they that could be upheld, you know via, you know legally, right? Yeah, like I mean I was gonna ask y'all. Do you know if I don't know is it a warranty? Is it legally bought? I mean, it sounds I mean, certainly all the business is Taco Bell for false advertising And subway for not having a Okay These are all great points. Yeah, so I but uh, I mean certainly all the businesses that are gonna buy a pixel You know expecting seven years updates will not be happy Definitely and probably would take it to court if we'll end it up not, you know But see this doesn't make sense to me because google's just trying to establish itself the same way that apple has among its user base Which is saying like our phone is super easy. You don't have to think about updating it And like apple did not promise that it was going to offer as many updates as it did But some iPhones it supports up to like eight nine years after the fact Which is why a lot of the iphone folks never feel a rush to update and yet it still hasn't hurt apple's bottom line so I feel like google is trying to like tap into that somehow Either as to like have that be a bragging right and let's see if it actually works The years of support has been a through line through this year Like we've been discussing the different manufacturers and of course I can't remember them because i'm old and tired But like I feel like we've already discussed this year like oh, this company's offering excellent years of support And of course like hot off the heels of the of the google event Uh, we get rumors that samsung is quote-unquote actively considering Expanding their security updates past five years, you know playing Playing catch right there in that regard Yeah, it's something actually I was actually like one thing to bring up is like google's seven-year commitment It's going to put a lot of pressure on other manufacturers because I don't think like any other manufacturer is going to be able to have the same level of commitment Especially for the low end devices because seven years Like just doing updates in general is very expensive. Sure Like if google is not selling a ton of pixels, they're going to be bleeding money just doing updates forever, you know for seven years So, uh, I don't think like you know like samsung's and be able to do seven-year commitment for their lowest and At galaxy a series phones right like they're able to do their five-year commitment For their upper mid-range and their flagship devices and they might be able to do Or even beat google on their next s series device right their flagship because they make a lot of money off that But like all these budget phones you see on like, you know and like carrier stores at best buy and stuff like that There's there's no way they're going to be able to match google at seven years of Updates, especially because they're not selling that many or not making a huge amount of money off them Yeah, there's economics behind it, you know, right? Um Anyway, that's fine. Also on the samsung side, which I thought was funny Just samsung playing me too not only talking about the events, but but uh, actually was it today or yesterday? samsung came out To join google look at flow flow just rolled her eyes so hard Samsung getting in on to get the message campaign they put out a video uh shaming apple Saying that green bubbles and blue bubbles just want to be together be happy together help apple get the message Um, and how much do you like talk about corporate synergy like google going to samsung going? Hey friends, why don't you help us with this? Let's get you know get them to do that. Um It's just it's very me too and it's just very funny not me too in the other way You know what I mean like you know like they will they will never convince like like apple knows what it's got an i message and even i'll admit like If and when I leave this career I may still have an iphone after this because like being able to send high res photos And receive them from other iphone users. I can't go down this rabbit hole flow. I can't I would rather just have two phone. No, I'd rather have two phones for the rest of my life to ensure that I get high It should work it should work cross-platform with you, but but they but why would they but Having an iphone enables it enables them Florence I expect better from you I I agree I would love if they would just figure out a way to like enable some things and then have some things be You know special like I don't need editing. Yeah Anyway, all right. So we're so late on this but um event overall flow where you glad you went to new york We get we we we got to at least be in the same building for a couple hours Yes, we did ron and I discovered that we work in the same building in new york city The weirdness the the weirdness just continues We're just flow posted a picture like a block from my office and I was like, hey, that's right by my office She's like, yeah, my office is near here too. She said the address. I'm like, that's my office I'm like, oh we're on the sixth floor Oh, okay Um, but we didn't get to meet unfortunately because I wasn't watching out. It was a very quick trip Yeah, but was it worth go? Was it worth being in the room for all this or worth, you know being able to see? Yeah I think it's important because I get to do this right after doing the apple event And so this is like my time where I'm sitting in in the brand's house You know to kind of like see them and see what they're presenting It makes me understand their hardware better as a person who covers their things. So yes for that Worth it. It was necessary and worth it. All right Well, we're excited because you're getting hands-on devices. I'm getting some pixel devices Next week, we'll be able to show them off and talk about it. So you might want to tune in next week I'll be able to give you some hands-on unboxing with the pixel stuff and flow Everybody can you'll probably be writing about it right on the on the gizmodo For you I I will be on vacation. Oh, okay, even better. Great. Yeah, I'm leaving soon My time here is done All right. Well, we've got some more news It's still google related right michelle. You got this next one Yeah, so at the event google finally unveiled the assistant upgrade that we all were thinking of back when they first announced assistant many many years ago This is the assistant. We thought we were getting way back Like 2014 or whatever when it was first announced So now we're getting assistant with bard. So you're familiar with google assistant You're familiar with google bard now. We're getting the both of them combined in this new interface So soon starting soon on the pixelate users with users in the us You'll be able to call up assistant with bard and it'll be able to basically Use generative ai to respond to text images or whatever else you input into it like there weren't that many examples given on the Uh actual event But we're able to see some things like you have this photo of this puppy and then you pull up the assistant with bard This floating ui and then you're able to ask it to describe the photo of your cute puppy That so that you can post that on social media So, um, this is basically because you can't find the words to describe a cute puppy I mean, honestly, sometimes you just can't think of like the the best thing type right What is the word i'm looking for? Oh adorable. That's it. Thank you bard Um, yeah, all I can think of is when I see this is this is what we all imagined google now on tap to be Yeah Yeah Right like you want you want to call up google now on tap Have it describe whatever's on screen or like send us some prompt and have it describe your daily routine or your email Or your calendar or something. This is the google now on tap. We all imagined Back when way back when so like yeah, I'm with you there thumbs up on the functionality thumbs up on the ai integration thumbs down on the name Yeah, I fully I fully suspect they're probably gonna drop bard and just call this google assistant In like two years or something. That's gotta be but there's a there's a there's a catch to all this, right? Yeah, it seems like um Like according to digging done by 95 google in the latest version of the google app That this will at least be limited to tensor powered pixel devices and the upcoming galaxy s 24 At least when this device at least when this service launches, um later this year, so um That's that might be because they're just premium devices Or might be because of some level of on-device processing done We don't exactly know the full details of why it might be limited to those devices at this time But uh, I guess once the service launches we'll be able to find out more details flow. Why do you think it's limited to those? Well, I'm just thinking about the ai prospective at all and And I I was saying hmm because if tensor is first why is samsung going to be second? Are they going to do something with qualcomm that will enable disability is this? Because I because i'm also curious about like how the other uh chip um, excuse me component makers Well, yeah, I guess I guess the question is whether or not it's it's it's Being driven to by the processor or to me. It just seems like a marketing. This is buy-in This is get the latest flagship from google and samsung and you get this cool feature I think I think it's fair that it might be a bit legitimate just because of and this was something that I thought was really interesting But it's it's one of those kind of like low-key like technical things where they I forgot what specific part I'll stop my head now that rick was talking about it But was it rick also talking about on device on device models where the ai models will actually be hosted on the device And that's kind of huge like being able to process that so The and and I mean we'll see how it comes out because they did have to what did they he say like kind of pair down the models a bit But that's huge for a lot of reasons for Were we talking about this before the show that latency of like, you know When when like we were talking about like latency a little bit before the show about assistant I'm michelle brought it up about yeah, so there's a latency because when you know You have to ask google something google hits a serve and comes back that there's there's a non Trivial and non zero travel time there So having it on device kind of mitigates a lot of that and also in our increasingly security and privacy concerned world Having all your data stay on in your hands is a good thing So I think there is a legitimate I don't know and to the to the degree at which this is legitimate. I don't know But I think there is a legitimate argument you made that You would need at least a flagship level, you know a i compatible friendly if not a i Purpose built processor to make it a viable experience But yeah, also marketing Never discount the marketing So Interesting stuff. All right. I need to stop talking about google But it won't stop because we had major news break as well today Unrelated to the pixel event, but I know when this is Yeah, so remember how a few weeks ago we mentioned that Among the other things that nest hub are losing was Multiple speaker groups and that was not because of the question around what the heck is google doing with smart displays But around a verdict that snow knows had won against them last year last year 2020 2020 I think last year In regards to you know various, you know audio patents Without a managing group of speakers so last year a jury verdict verdict was against google 13.5 million dollars worth That got thrown out on friday october 6 by usdc court judge and basically this judge reviewed the verdict and said actually no and Basically two of the patents that sonus had used kind of as key points in the argument The judge considered unenforceable and invalid and there's actually a whole timeline here And to go through it semi quickly, you know, basically the sonus's case came a lot from from patents that came from a 2006 Provisional application. So this was a provisional application And they didn't actually file applications for these patents until 2019 13 years later And sonus didn't actually use the patents in any products until 2020 and in the intervening years in 2014 So between the initial provisional application and when they actually filed it google, you know presented sonus because they were working on a collaboration at the time with a some plan to use multi room audio technology so there's a there's a sense here that They were working together sonus did not have any products out so that there was a collaboration here and and furthermore At some point before the 2019 application was submitted They actually, uh, how did they say discreetly made amendments? So apparently the 2006 application had very little Substantive stuff in it. There wasn't an actual invention or actual kind of like the spec in there for anything They added it later in 2019, which apparently annoyed the judge And so yeah, they basically said no no no like no just no you probably didn't say it like that But basically that was the gist of the ruling is that no and he basically it was very strong language um More or less saying sonus did a bad They abuse the uh the trademark and patent system and he overturned it and of course google is very happy about it They released an entire statement celebrating the ruling and All the features they took out like multiple speaker groups for your nest displays your chromecast is going to be rolled back In fact immediately google has said that they're all the changes are going to happen and go out to most devices The google home for android app within the next 148 hours um They're doing fast. Yeah, they went fast and of course they have google of course said that you know, they Who is it the us? Trademark and patent a patent and trademark office really needs more funding So they can keep up with a pace of technology and increasing complex patents And I had a hole right here if we had more time I would be like this is great because yes, sonus did a bad and abuse the trade and patent patent trademark system But does not do anything for me for google kind of saying. Oh, no like Oh because google does the same thing with lobbyists as well They do the same thing like and sonos did that because sonos has to protect their bottom line Their whole thing is it's a it's a closed audio ecosystem that works really darn well Which is why they cater so much to like the apple crowd because they're like oh premium sound Like premium design and it works just perfectly with airplay It is very hard to enjoy a sonos product as an android user This is actually one of those this is actually like a trend that I see only accelerating as we go on like You know before we had a lot of audio products from sonos We had like sony leading in the headphone space But now it seems like all the leaders are the people who also make the smartphones who make the tablets and make the devices They have access to making the ecosystem Well, yeah, all these smaller players just don't really stand. Yeah Like all these all these smaller players are Just getting like kind of crowded out because they don't have access to the devices that you use You know in your everyday life They only make that one product and they're just hoping they can work together well with all the other products in your home But they don't make every all the other products in your home. So they don't really have any control over that This is definitely like a I I think genuinely a blame the player Blame the game not the player and that's because in my personal opinion software patents and trademarks are a disease Like it it's everywhere. I've seen this at my entire career. I saw this when I was a student It's it's it's it's not except except when there's one thing Yeah, there's one thing we can excuse you cursing over on the show. It's it's the patent system It's it's it's bullshit and and it is no longer it isn't it Patents and trademarks are meant to protect innovation at this point. They've just become the goal themselves Like that's the issue that there's a whole there's a whole underbelly barnacle um, you know Industry around patent owning and trolling and patent trolling and all stuff that listen I have patents and I I would want I would and I'm very proud of our patent and and I would want to I would want to I would defend it if you know It went applicable But I'm not going around buying patents so that I can sue people who are doing other things like like, you know, they're I agree with you when I think that the the patent system needs an overhaul so that innovation can happen People can profit from the innovation they make and and adequately license stuff, but also Innovation begets innovation Yes, right and so you got to have a world where you can people, you know on the shoulders of giants people can build on the On the on the the genius of others and stuff like that and it's just it's it's like copyright. It's like all this No, I I I think like for you like someone someone like, you know You run in your patents is what the ideal of the trademark and patent system is like that's the ideal We meant to you know Encourage people to and and give them protection so they are not squashed by a competitor with bigger Resources better resources. You can just do it faster than you can But it's flipped it because now the big guys have the big guys have the tools and the toys and they're Using it to squish other people. So I I'm not I'm not trying to run Is a big It's a weird example because I don't let you know headquarters are in santa barbara. They got some nice Yeah, it's it's weird like fighting this one with this case because they're both big But and and there are like I don't blame me if you want to get patents and you need to get patents a certain thing academia You get a freaking doctorate based on how many patents you have so I get it again Blame the game not the play. Am I saying that wrong? No, not the player. Yeah, I do think that there's some validity I mean like beyond the discussion of just like patents and you know how they are a game I do think there's some validity to just like talking about Sonos is a company having to compete with Google which can do all these things And market it in a way that it is like competing with one company's, you know Main thing that they do Like that's their sole existence wild. Yeah All that they do. Yeah, they're very fair extremely fair. And so all the only power Sonos had was to say like no, I'm sorry actually Yeah, and they got to defend it like that's like a copyright and something that you have to defend it It's all very complicated. There's stuff does sound good You know, there's stuff does sound good people. Okay, it sounds better than the home pod That's for sure All right. Well, either way if you're a google user and google home user and you have speaker groups, you know In a couple of days you'll get them back. Yeah, this is great. Finally So we're gonna do lightning around for the rest of the show. So everybody buckle up and hang in there Thank you to our patrons go to patreon.com patreon.com Slash android faithful you get to help us choose a new story to presumably talk about or talk quickly about on the show every week And this week we were talking about the the rumors that apple was investigating working with duck. Go that only got 17% of the vote Um, it looks like uh, samsung wallet is going to start supporting driver's licenses inside of it Which is honestly huge, uh, but that only got 12% of the vote Nope, the one that got the the winner this week with 71% of the vote was the fact that there is a pixel 8 teardown video already out in the wild Um, the the fine folks over at pbk reviews Mere not days after the pixel event came out got their hands on a pixel 8 and did a teardown video Um, and they go through and examine all the different components and all the things inside The pixel 8 so if that's your thing did anybody was anybody surprised by anything you saw during this video Ron, that's not days after the pixel 8. That's the day of the day of Right it is it's like it's it's hours after how do they do that? God's god's bless the all breakdown folks because that's a not an inexpensive piece of tech So yeah, no, do you think google let them do this? Sorry No, you don't think you don't think google let them like like like it's a day of the event We're all okay fine. I'm just I'm just exploring it. It's conspiracies. That's all No, so can you go to the score? I want to see the repairability score Uh, where is it? I don't I don't I don't remember if this person posts like repairability. I don't know if they did They do I've written about them before but maybe they didn't for this particular one Oh, I think because they did it too soon I don't think they did they're gonna do a second part. It looks like we're gonna tear down soon So this is like a hey look inside We'll tell you more later. Yeah, that's what I want to know about the repairability because remember google's really pushing us like We're repairable too. We have stations inside Best Buy so This will tell us if if it really is yeah, so stay tuned on that Um But yeah, I mean, but they go through and they show all the cameras. They go the the tensor chip the all that stuff So it's all in there. Um, it's there's not enough. There's not as much room in here as the pixel tablet. That's for sure. So All right, well moving along, um We got we got a bunch of we're gonna do some quick hits here. So michelle. What's what's the first one we got? So google said they won't be making a quote low-cost pixel phone And i'm only saying that in air quotes because it's not an actual quote quote Because the original source came from german publication the standard So we're all getting it through a google translate filter Uh, but basically the vp of google mobile business nanda ramachandran talk to the standard And basically said they have no plans to make a low-cost pixel device and low cost They mean like really low cost like 200 dollar 200 euro price point and then they never made a pixel phone that Uh cheap before they have made like several nexus devices that were kind of cheap like really like the mid 350s range Like 399 but never a pixel phone that cheap 200 dollar range And citing that you know supporting ai having a good camera all the security framework framework all jacks up the price, right? Yeah, yeah, because if you look at the all even all their Cheap in air quotes devices the a series devices those still have the flagship tier tensor processors and they still have A lot of the same camera sensors. They still have a high refresh rate display I think that that the pixel 7a the 90 hertz refresh rate display They still have so many of the same components and features and hardware specs of its bigger siblings That I don't see any way they could conceivably make a 200 pixel phone and not have it be compromised You know in so many areas and it also ties into what you mentioned earlier michelle about the promise for seven years of support Yeah, samsung that would be really hard to do other companies that do offer super low-cost phones It would be uh economically in a bit not just Not an not advantage of whatever the word is supposed to be. Yes. Thank you. Not just so michelle What does this mean for the will there be no pixel 8a? Uh, no, there definitely will be I mean at least it looks like there will be because A couple of weeks ago. We had a leaked hands-on image of the pixel 8a and now we have full 3d renders Of course courtesy of on leaks who seems to get his hands Pretty much every single Well, there you go. There's a blue one. There's a blue one Flow the interesting thing about the pixel 8a is one it exists because there were some rumors that it might not exist And number two how round it is. Just look at how round the corners are. I encourage you to go on Um, you know the the site. I think it's smart pricks that leaked it this time Yeah, uh smart pricks with on with on leaks and just look at the renders This has some of the most rounded corners I've ever seen on a smartphone It it makes me think they're like making it match android 14 like pills or something just something like that. It's yeah Oh Hey, there could be some legitimate Oh, really? I mean kind of that sounds like something Design team would yeah like to draw that connection But it's important to note that the 8a is technically considered a mid-range not a budget phone So like that that article was talking about $200 phones where you know the pixel a line is Usually four to six hundred dollars in that range and the pixel 8a is going to have the same tensor g3 chip As the other ones that say they find cost savings in like not the glass back Right, it's the plastic back and and charges there. Yeah, so Um, so we still usb. Yeah, right. So the question is Please no The question is when when we see the 8a come out, but uh, it'll likely probably be next year But I I would be shocked if they get rid of the a line. So Um, all right, we'll move it on in hardware Um, can't you know all this talk about google a little bit of samsung? We can't forget our friends at one plus. Um, because hey, they launched a tablet Uh, the one plus pad go came out a budget tablet. Um, A you know 11.35 inch tablet. Uh, it's got 33 watt fast charging 8 giga ram has got four speakers in there Um, this is really designed to be Uh, affordable and I believe it's launching in india Um, so whether or not, you know, how accessible it will be to everybody else around in the around the world Um, it will be questionable. Um, but the fact that one plus is can is committing to Other devices and other price ranges. I find really really interesting Um, and this is hot on the heels of the uh, as of today the continued rumors of the one plus open Uh, being a real thing. We've already seen we saw that video last week Of somebody holding the the one plus with the camera covered But then now we've got leaks of photos of it with the full camera Hassleblad camera in the back and specs and pricing starting to roll out And rumor that the one plus open will launch very very soon like next week even Um, so we will stay stay tuned to see that But one plus making moves. So another foldable in the in the wild. It's not hopefully not a bad thing No foldable. Love it. We'll see. All right. Cool. Um, all right, and then moving on from there Michelle, you want to make sure we talked about android? qpr1 beta 2 it's getting really hard to talk about this stuff. Michelle, by the way, can you Can you talk about the naming? android 14 qpr1 beta 2 So another beta has released for the android 14 qpr release cycle And this one doesn't have that many changes compared to the first beta This one has a new unified System updates page for pixel phone. So now on this unified page You can see whether or not your os is up to date whether or not your google play system Update is up to date, which is the the mainline modules and you can see also whether your pixel system apps are up to date And some of the other things that are in the build is that the new weather app that's available on the pixel 8 is now available So this weather app is not the Weather app that actually shows you the weather this weather app is just a Weather provider for other apps like the google clock app. So now if you have this app installed You can get weather information in the clock app on your widgets and your home screen So it's it's a nice little like addition to the Feature set. I don't know why it requires a separate app I think it's because they want to basically have it so the clock app itself doesn't request location permissions But it's a neat little addition Um, some of the other things is that there is a hint that they may introduce a pixel troubleshooting app Which will allow you to get quick help with various issues So you're having on your phone whether or not it's overheating Your battery's charging or your phone is charging slowly or you have network issues Um, this hasn't launched yet. This is like there's a the app that's built into the os It's just been like leaked And then there's some other smaller minor changes. One of them is where os related There's a hint that you'll be able to sync permissions between apps on your phone and apps on your watch So like if instead of like tapping a bunch of do you want to grant this app permission on your watch? You can just Click a button to sync all permissions between the apps you already have on your phone and the apps that you're installing on your watch cool Very cool. And you do a very uh Detailed breakdown on your twitter on your x account whatever the hell it's called now Which by the way, I know like whatever it's hard not to because on the if you're watching the video show We're showing michelle's feed where he's got his uh thread talking about all this It's hard to ignore the What's trending and the fact that while we're doing the show ios 17.1 is trending At the same time as adultery Oh I don't even want to know why that's I know exactly. Oh goodness. So anyway, but uh, it's cool some qpr one beta two Goodness did I get that right? So yeah, well, well not to be yet done with new features But and we've kind of talked about one ui six before but it was officially announced Uh the day after the made by google event on october 5th at the samsung developer conference So we've kind of mentioned one ui six off and on because it's been in beta So a lot of things are probably not a surprise, but if you want to blow by blow Sam mobile Over at sam mobile.com. They have a great walkthrough video and kind of an exhaustive list So I mean I would like a couple of things that were my favorite which i'm going to talk about although the the walkthrough is excellent is A freely positionable lock screen clock. I know that doesn't sound like it I don't know that just seems like a huge deal for me because I It drives me nuts that I cannot move the clock or that I can't optimize the space But on one ui six you can actually freely resize and move that clock And to go with it everybody's got to have their own weather widget So there's actually a new samsung weather widget. Um, it's important New multitasking improvements lots of new camera improvements because of course they got to keep up with uh google Some great accessibility features new layout for notifications a lot of you know visual tweaks and that kind of stuff So anyway for the full rundown, please go to sam mobile.com and check it out And if you're still rocking a samsung, you know, let us know what you think of one ui 6.0 and what your favorite Features are but yeah officially now it's not out yet. Actually it'll be out before the end of the year But this is kind of like the official like hey, it's coming So how are you feeling about samsung one ui these days? Oh, I'm fine. I mean I'm fine with it. They're foldable Interfaces still my favorite Out of all the foldable interfaces there. Yeah, I use the z fold over the pixel fold Sorry, wow When when by the way flow, I don't know you've caught up with win in the past But she is fully pixel. She's a pixel fold girl. She's okay, but does the pixel fold have smart select It does not I miss all that. So I did say that my perfect phone right now would be this form factor with one ui on it So, oh, I'm so sorry. How did that happen? I turn. Sorry. I turned the flashlight on everybody. So Uh, right when there's new but you know, um, I do yeah, I do miss one ui. I do There it is All right. Well, that was a lightning round through hardware and apps But it was a very pixel big week, but we did uh, we do love to hear from you in the uh, android faithful community We love you all and we encourage you to email us at contact at android faithful calm Or many of our patrons have taken to messaging us on patreon. Um, such as this week's uh email Which comes in uh, it says hello android faithful team I've been listening since episode one and all about android for a long time before then I recently spent two weeks driving around ireland while on vacation and had my first real experience using android auto Overall, I felt it was a really nice experience that I wish my tesla q flow rent on non physical controls on a car Which by the way, that was not plan flow. This is like the stars aligned for you to join. Um, Allowed me to use android auto one big thing I ended up having issues with is that sometimes the phone in the car would not sink properly So I could not use it I feel like the lack of an actual app made it harder for me to diagnose it was car cable or a phone problem Other than that I do feel like it had too many times when it would want me to interact with it while driving Things like making my phone's notifications too big and ask me things about my drive PS I feel like the by the way, I feel like the pixel 4 the small one is one of the best pixel devices Even with the battery issues It was a perfect size and not too heavy the face unlock was really nice and still has better accuracy than any Of the under screen fingerprint readers. Um, and that comes from ryu manastas Um ryu. I'm mispronouncing your first name. Probably I'm guessing ryu you um ryu ryu Thank you ryu for your email. Um and flow. There's some android auto love for you You know or agree. Can I be honest with all y'all? Please. That's why you're here. This is gonna um, I So I I do have an active sim in my iphone review unit and I've been using carplay in the Subaru It's like it's way more stable I mean That's i'm sorry like it's it hasn't it doesn't like I don't sit there like plugging and i'm plugging and going to Put it just you plug it in and then all of a sudden my spotify is playing Like the apple maps are actually kind of nicer now because they got the little 3d tilting going on It's one of those things where like once you find a stable setup, then you just live with that and like that's your experience If mommy's driving, which is me because it's a family car, right? I'm and I'm mommy. Uh If I'm driving I'm bringing the iphone now, but part of it was also like the curiosity of carplay because I had never used it before You're you're you're experimenting. It's okay. Yeah, I was experimenting. I mean you could have done it in college But you chose not to but you know, so I experimented differently in college. But yes, so pixel seven definitely Stopped working with the android auto in the Subaru, which is why I was like forget this. I'm just gonna use the iphone I'm not gonna even try and fix this anymore. I'm by the way Am I as we're talking about car and auto sort of stuff? So I'm also got you know, it's a proud Subaru driver and I'm Completely even though I have the a wireless Device and I have the cable Honestly, it's the the dumb Subaru heads unit software and a bluetooth and a bluetooth. It's the car software That is the easiest frictionless seamless. I open up my phone connects via bluetooth I press play on pocket cast and I drive or press play on youtube music And I drive as opposed to doing all the nonsense even when I'm driving Somewhere where I need to use navigation I'm still just going on google maps on my phone and holding it while I drive as opposed to going through the rigmarole Of connecting all nothing against and this is by the way, this is different than android auto In head unit versus android auto being plugged, you know an android phone being plugged in to pull up android Auto, you know, like those are two different experiences if I had a car running android auto that would be a different I would hope that would be a different experience, but no, I mean I'm with y'all I am also a super head proud Subaru driver and I today in the last two days have unplugged and re-plugged my phone Or just had it not work about a dozen times and it's it's I mean it's dangerous It's so much easier. It's so much easier. They're actually when I was last in town when I was in town for uh I owe with y'all. I actually was driving a different car That wasn't a Subaru, but it still had the same issues and then halfway through. I'm like somewhere Uh outside of uh san jose and the navigation just goes away and I can't unplug it and re-plug it I've had to pull over before because of android auto just completely freezing on me And I'm just like on the freeway crying. Why does that? Yes? I was I was about to cry because that's like I don't know how to get I mean luckily I was mostly back to my hotel But if it had been like it's so nerve-wracking in a place You don't know and it was like very nerve-wracking. We had dinner so it was like 11 o'clock at night And I was like, yes So it's even more nerve-wracking because it's very dark in silicon valley. They don't like the roads very well down there Um, michelle, do you have a car? Yeah, I mean I I use andro auto Is it a super no I wanted to be a super rubingo. Damn it. So what do you drive? Not I mean you just might make you don't have to tell us model. Hannah maker. Yeah. Good for you But it's actually an aftermarket andro auto. That's why I don't want to say if it's like good or bad because it wouldn't I thought he's gonna be like I have an aftermarket hawn to civic He's got he's got the thing on the muffler that makes it do the wee noise and he's got the lights So you got the lights on the what do you call the kit underneath like a whole kit and everything? It looks like it's floating. Is that what it was all or no weird? Yeah, I actually prefer using wired andro auto over wireless because wireless I've just had trouble but like I found a cable that works and it works consistently So I just be using wired and it works much more reliably yep for me. I agree cool Plus it charges your phone. Yes. All right. Well, if you are using android auto or had any experiences with car driving And anything please email us at contact at android faithful.com. We want to hear from you Also, please tell us what you thought of the pixel event like we need feedback Come on people. You aren't emailing us enough. So uh get those emails in we want to we want to highlight them on the show I will come back more if you email Here more often and bonus points if you tell us if you drive a Subaru Or if you drive a Subaru. Yeah, totally. Yeah Do you drive a Subaru? Are you happy with your purchase? I just buy just you have your android auto works in your Subaru Our lease expired in December and I just I bought it outright because I was yeah Because rates it was like it was it was less money to buy the Subaru than to get a new lease for a new Subaru Or get a new car like it would just uh, it drives me crazy. Anyway, um All right, cool. Well, that's gonna wrap up the show Flow, how did it feel to be back in the chair in this with this little android? I was gonna say this android arena, but that's a different thing. So next time I call my promise to be less stressed And then that way I can be even more unhinged. So I'm looking forward to coming back and like getting more and more Comfortable, you know, with y'all have the new Script the new notes show notes, you know different way of doing things Little tweaks here and there that's all but uh, but flow you are always welcome. You're you are og You're a member of the family. So yeah, whenever you whenever you want you're welcome on the show But in the meantime, where can people find you on the internet? gizmodo.com and I am oh that flow on all the social media sites Just don't come looking for me at x. I don't really post there Also, I have a website florenceion.com if you need to find links to where I am on the internet That's a good place to start Cool And we'll look for you out on gizmodo. Love. I hope whenever I see your byline. I always read it. So I'll give you the click So there it is and I don't block ads So Thank you. You're welcome. So all right, uh, michelle, where can people find you? And your wonderful world of android So you already saw that I post a lot about android on twitter But I know people don't like twitter especially these days I'm also on mastodon people still use it. I'm on mastodon as well. I'm paying michelle on twitter threads I'm on Thank you. I am on telegram Reddit all these other sites, you know, you can find me on pretty much any every platform where I post about android almost the same content everywhere Uh, but if you want to support me you can go to patreon.com slash michelle roman to Support my work so I can continue to post about android get new devices and just continue to post You know all the time this is a lot of this work It doesn't end up going that's a blog post because you know a lot of it's just nerdy and stuff that not everyone cares about So I just post it on twitter But still takes hours to do all that research. So I'd appreciate, you know Throwing a few dollars if you could support Would go and we appreciate your work by the way because a lot of journalists in this industry actually read michelle's work for Fact-checking so and and they embed his posts that we see it all the time like like flow The joke is when michelle's not on the show. He's still on the show because uh, we're talking about articles that that quote them and stuff like that So bravo michelle. So yeah, and a lot of devs don't know about anything until michelle posts it like michelle knows a lot more about android than a lot of us suppose that android experts I mean, I guess I'm over the depth but People find you yeah, you can find me and I do I am an android dev. I do application work. I'm a little independent now, but you can find talks that I do Competing video code and was the other thing video code and uh slides sometimes when I do slides On my website randly typing calm and in social places. I'm queen code monkey. I still vaguely am on twix But I don't really I try not to post there. You can find me. I've never heard that before I'm gonna call twigs because I like that. I don't know. Yeah, that's really that's good. I like that Um, I'm on mastodon, but unlike all the other cool android people I'm at queen google monkey at mastodon that's social. Uh, and yeah, just find me if it's queen code monkey It's probably me I get mostly on instagram from a band And you can find me on all the socials twitter Mastodon blah blah blah all the fun stuff. Uh, I am ron xo across the world Instagram instagram is where I'm most active just because it's just pictures and it's easy Um, but uh, I don't know. I want to be on everything more I want to be like michael someday. I will but um, but while we're talking about supporting and everything a reminder Everybody you can go to patreon.com slash android faithful. Um, and we are on there as well We we love all of our amazing supporters. We appreciate everybody You can get on the the lowest level you can get us $5 a month you get access to uh, you get to vote on a news topic for us to talk about each week you get access to our discord and then At $10 a month you get access to that ad free podcast feed So if you don't like ads in your podcast, that's the way to get it And we're we're linked up with spotify now So you can listen to the podcast on spotify Without ads, which would be great and of course if you sign up at the $20 level to be a friend of the show You get a you get a t-shirt which a bunch of people are starting to get their merch So listeners patrons, if you got your sticker, you got your t-shirt Take a picture send it to us. We want to see in the wild I've yet to see an android thinker merch in the in the wild But we're really excited because we've got some it's been a crazy couple of months But we've got some exciting stuff lined up coming up over the next couple of months as we go into the new year Um, and we're really going to be amping up what we're doing here at android faithful We thank everybody who's supported us to this point because you got us to where we are We're just going to go bigger in 24. So if you're not supporting Please do you'd appreciate it. Thank you because this is not free We don't have a network behind us anymore even though we work at dts We still got to pay for hosting the website hosting and all the other fun stuff that I I need a new mic stand So there you go. So go to patreon.com slash android faithful We thank everybody for your support you all of the best. We love you flow. We love you too Thank you for joining us. We hope to have you again on soon Um, in the meantime, we'll wrap up because I know it is getting late Uh, this podcast comes out every tuesday night And you can watch it on youtube or on twitch through the daily tech news show Network and you can go to android faithful.com and subscribe And find all the links there and until next week. We are android faithful We're always All right, y'all am I good to go? Well, we got to wrap the stream first. So I know for you to go work Thank you everybody for watching. Hope you enjoyed flow being back. Um, we're gonna wrap up so flocking it back to her work Thanks everyone for watching and we'll see you next week. All right. Sorry. Oh, I don't know We've got to pick a title for the show, but we're gonna do that offline. So, um, uh We'll make good choices Yeah, hang on real quickly. We'll look at it. What the the current number one is very pixelated Everybody would say that's got to be the winner and thank you Clinton for signing up for a twitch account for that For me. I should have just done it. I thank you. That's the one perfect attendance clinton woodward All right. Yes, perfect attendance award. Thank you everyone. Yeah, all right. Thanks everybody. Have a good night. Bye everybody Bye