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That is what I'm like, I like doing everything on a deal and I've always sold my products as I've done that and even back in the day it was don't go in a shot and pay 90 quid for that t-shirt, you can never score it a day and that's how I've always worked you know and I've always that's me, that is me, give everyone a good deal. People are drawn by energy, you've got a good energy so people are going to buy into what you say, but if you're selling me a mattress and now I'm probably f***ing buying it. And he come in and he started slating everyone. What's your name? You call yourself the falcon, you started ripping everyone and I'm laughing yeah and he's like why are you laughing? I'm just funny if I'm so serious. He went but he sort of looked at me and he thought what's his keys are about like because I'm just cracking up and he went Tom you've you've said that you're quite jammy, are you a donor? I said well I said well little sugar, I'm not being funny, probably am mate. I said I want to start doing the mattresses and I went and got four of the best mattresses, I went and had them cut open, we went and made our mattresses better and me and my power big length sat in a van just taking orders off of Twitter and Instagram and the power of social media was unbelievable like we was driving to the end earth to drop mattresses off, to go and make 50 quid a mattress but we didn't care, we was doing 40, 50, 60, it was meant to every single day and we built it, built it, built it and we just now we've got a company that sells the top quality mattresses at prices that people can afford because I believe that everyone should be able to afford the quality. Honestly one thing I do drink I must drink about 10 bottles of water a day or 10 glasses of water a day more. What? You must be pissing for fun then. Yeah when I get in a pub. Is it water bitches or what? That's what fools are about. Bimber on and today's guest we've got big time skinner, how are you? How are you mate? How you doing? Good to see you. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. Look you've thought of doing it. How's life been first of all? Struggling hard, as always. Now listen it's good that a minute mate you know just had a baby in the last year. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Loving being a dad. The firm is mental busy at a minute which is which is good you know which for anything more was lucky that through the lockdown we just we just grew and we've built up and just enjoying it one step at a time and like one thing I'll say I say every morning but it don't matter how big the steps are you take as long as in the right direction and we're going in the right direction at a minute mate so it's all going well. That's the main thing I like that mentality. Very well like Thomas you've done you've done the apprentice, you've done masters at MasterChef. MasterChef can't cook because it's in me fine. You've done everything you got to the quarters and the apprentice never won a task but you got to the quarters because your personality good guy that takes you a long way in life I believe like just being a good person like there's so many fucking idiots out there who talk a good game but don't back it up. 100%. But I always go back to the start of my guest brother get to understand Thomas how he works how he functions and how you became the man you are today. Yeah. So let's go right back to the start where you grew up. Back to the start sir. I grew up in Rumpford. I love Rumpford. Rumpford is the centre of the universe best town in the world. Grew up there lovely family my dad always said he's like me ducker and diver always has own businesses and always had good people around him and I brought in as a young age I always wanted to earn money always wanted to buy and sell and I mean I started I started work when I was 12 years old I used to have paper rands all around Rumpford I used to go to school tired because I'd be doing so many paper rands you know I used to work in my my dad's mate's barbershop used to work in there on Saturdays in the morning cutting hair sweeping up there like it goes the skinhead time you can do that when I go lovely but he's a father like you know I mean it and he used to work set on the market stills as well used to buy and sell anything I could do as a kid I used to do go around and back it and back it and sponge me mate early washing cars knocking on doors lichid anything we don't a grass cart I just used to love and had a badge for it and it probably affected me because I'm because I'm dyslexic so I was never I'm intelligent I ain't sound perfect because I'm not but things I struggled with I made up with by always being someone's mate and always getting on with people and then people would always help a gift of the gab did you have to utilise that because did you ever feel more pressure on you at school? I was always the cheeky one that was naughty but weren't naughty naughty so I could get away with it like I can't miss I can't do this and she'd go to him come and come over that was me that was me but yeah I had a lovely upbringing and I learned a lot as a kid I learned how to talk to people like I always look with my dad and he always goes to me like Tom it ain't about what you know so you know and I've always gone out my way like anything I do to make sure them little manners go a long way you know always be polite always ask questions always say please and thank you always hold the door open always and that has helped me in life because as a kid especially they got a little Tommy he's alright you know he's a good kid he's alright I'll get you know like and someone makes they would get no good I wasn't interested I was interested in making money and making friends that was me as a kid as a kid you know how did you get that mentality from your dad did he have did he get it passed down from generations that kind of delboy mentality yes like my family's all out of the east end my granddad at every skin I like they're just nice people like and even that it's so nice to see that I can go in anywhere and they go oh your granddad when he was alive he was an absolute legend or oh your dad what a lovely fella and and I'm trying to be the same you know like and there's always going to get someone that don't like you can't make everyone like you know what I mean but he's I'm just I just get on with people and and I and I enjoy meeting people and talking to people I love it I just say I'm the same I like meeting new people I like everything's networking the reason I can get the caliber I guess is because I've got a good name a strong name that it's just networking it's you're blagging it as well couldn't you get him on good this week ended up with me I'm getting downhill Tommy I'm getting downhill but that how was it how do you feel with rejection how do you feel when somebody doesn't like you because that I can't I don't really like it but because I'm when you I meet people everybody's always laughing and smiling and feeling good but when you get the old asshole but does that affect you also not really you just not care you know I think you're always going to get in yeah you always gonna like I found it as I've gone through life you always get the old person that ain't gonna like you know and listen there's people that I don't like you know what I mean is everyone's got who I like no don't like it don't it don't affect me if you're not not at all now so schooling was okay then you came to wind yourself through it schooling was good um when a primary school in runford then I went to secondary school when the second school in Brentwood went to a great school got expelled got expelled uh for being an entrepreneur um this is actually quite a funny story so I remember there was a bagel shop in in the ice street that everyone used to go to but it was like three or four quid for a sausage which was when you're a kid you know what I mean and I'm doing all the paper rounds I'm washing cars I'm setting up market stalls like and I'm getting a few quid and and say getting a few quid probably like 60 quid a week but you know as a kid you're like having it off and uh I remember going to my dad here there come on kiss kiss five a day like and he used to go like nah like mate you gotta work and my dad used to charge me a hundred pound a week rent when I was a kid to make me learn that I don't know it sounds man he ended up getting it back to me I got that I'm a bit short this week like I'm not going to apply no prayer trainers but you know in school now I went to him look can you give us a five a day so and he went nah like if you wouldn't go and do them things you got around it mate that's how that's the way the world so and I he said but I might find sank for you so in my knees mate Alan went to the pub one day and got absolutely slaughtered and they was back at my ass in Bromford and I remember coming back and I think I had rugby training and I come back all dirty and he went come in it was both out of his own coming we've got sank fear and I went what is it and there's a suitcase and what's he doing and he I've opened it up and it's full of Paul no one pirate David so I'm a kid tonight I went look all these wow look at the very part of film like oh what's this one this one's a bit dirty dead like what's all it he would make what you gotta do is three quid two with five all your mates are gonna let it out when I like lovely so I went to school I woke the old suitcase in me luck I'd be little JD string sports bag knocking them out I was I think I made about 200 quid in my first day doing it I was like this is easy you know better than selling chocolate bars and uh after a couple of days just paid me dead back a bit money for dvds that he bought off some gauge in the pub was in a lunch hall with me try I've gone miss can I have the uh sausage casserole please oh was that jam rolly pole I left that as well please as I've lent over the bag split and the selection of porno dvds are all over the floor of the lunch on his this teacher rated me I didn't like me he went what a day I would come and so you know I looked at porno's obviously straight to my office and I was like oh here we go oh I after lunch to see a gun gun to his uh office I said where me dvds so can I have my back I ain't papered in my shit and he uh he said no I've sent him to the headmaster I thought oh here we go so I've had to go to the headmaster please and I remember sitting there waiting and he's like I'm gonna have to ring your parents I was thinking ring me mum like it's better for you not for me to ring me mum you know and he's ended up ringing me dad and my dad's come down there and uh it didn't go well wasn't wasn't a very good meeting with dad actually said he was like he said I'm just trying to teach him how to buy and sell and teach and the headmaster's gone was they're illegal mate like I can't have that in my school he said come on he's only a kid like he's my fault I'll take the bone for him and the headmaster's like I'm gonna have to ring the police but they went oh it's going on here and uh that was it that was me last day of school and the next actual day I remember going with that little uh workshop in Rainham and I remember going I'm working in there and then I was putting prices on Davey days that he was selling in the sweet shops and that was that was it and then never went back to school um never yeah never done college never done university just went straight on a deep end started on the market started buying and selling anything and uh went from there that was it how hard does that to be a constant graft or to try to turn that coin oh it's it was hard because when I got a little bit older when I got sort of to me like later teens my mum and dad split up um that affect you it did because obviously I loved the family life but then my mum my mum is if you meet my mum she's the loveliest person you've ever met in life like like if she was here today she'd go change what do you want do you want to name sandwich she's just the nuts she's the army world whereas my dad he's do you want to go pub have a beer like they're so different so it probably was it's a great reason of course but and and at the time as well I mean but like my dad wasn't doing very well um he was like wasn't was was skinnery because business wasn't doing well and my mum didn't have any money and and um I had no one that I could go can I borrow any money from to buy a bit of stock because I wasn't holding I was like you know 17 16 17 so I was always working but then I was having you know I didn't have enough money to get to the next episode it was odd but I never went without I never I never went skin I always make a living I was but I was at that time because um my mum's house only had two bedrooms it was my brother and sister upstairs with my mum and I was on a little pullout bed in the front room downstairs and I didn't care because I'd wake up in the morning and I'd go and get me that and I'd drive to wherever and I'd sit up in the market and whatever I'd in the back of my van I would go and pump and I and I and I thought well I'll keep myself going and eventually I'd be able to go and get my own gaff you know and it it it it was odd obviously because it was days when you when you you spend say you someone goes Tom I've got a I've got a range of these right they're gonna be an absolute winner and you and you got you're working money you got your two grand you buy your bit of stock and you stand on three or four market stalls and you don't sell a thing and you think I'm gonna do am I gonna pay me I can't even pay me what am I gonna do now so having working money I've learned you've got to build it up that's essential I've learned that for experience um and I this is one thing I I'm pretty rambling on too much sorry James no that's good that's what I like mate that's what I like but I'll tell you one thing that's happened to me I'm one of my best mates Ben the barber Ben Wilson um he had a flat on North Street in Rumpford and football was playing I think it was Arsenal Arsenal playing someone we're going to watch it and I had an old piece of pouvain that ain't worth a monkey yeah and in the back of it I had a load of jackets that I just spent my last tenor on I literally everything was in there and I parked outside the flat we went upstairs had a cup of beers watching the football having a great time I remember going the boys about ten of my pals and it's all a couple years older than me I said boys I've got some lovely jackets in the van like I'm gonna go and run them up they're only at school I thought I got a knit cut 100 quid went down and me van got nicked I was like ah so and then I remember I remember rigging up me dad's power we got the van from and I went Steve I went that van's he went who the fuck do I think that van's a piece of shit but he didn't and like it was because I never had no working capital back then he was I've got to start again you know I didn't and it was just up but we could keep going was that always like that then back to get into the markets and constantly try to keep your head above water there wasn't a commodity that I didn't sell like there was I done everything what's the worst thing you've ever sold and you got away with it everything it looks like only fools in horses and used to sell it dodgy tape recorders and it used to go in fire and shit I've had I've had everything I used to sell kind of snide and they like there weren't nothing I wouldn't I wouldn't turn an eye to you know I um there was I would tell everything you know if and I and this was me being young and being naive when I first started out in the markets I was naive yeah and I actually got nicked um because I bought a parcel I bought part but so I met a geezer I was working with and he used to get fantastic lines he's got face creams here this week I've got them next week at least next week I don't and it's just oh lovely boom I take down a car book take down the market out of the pub and I know and it was brilliant you know one day I was uh I had me um a bit of stuck in me van I've gone to go and uh sell it and and uh please have shut the road off put a thing out and a poke spike right in the road all behind me I thought what's going on here I pulled out the van thrown on the floor blocked up I thought what's going on here what's happening here and I went mate all that gear in your van is nicked and I actually genuinely didn't know I was buying it in good fun I went oh shut up and uh that was one of the one of the things I thought oh and again back to square one got nicked for it got dummy bits and pieces whatever I like but you learn you know and and uh obviously I remember when I was sitting in the um plate they thought I just they thought I was true I went mate I'm being honest I just bought some random keys don't know easy you know you know you know I mean I didn't I was like I have no idea mate I'm so sorry I ain't gonna do it again but they just literally thinking you know mate and I was like I don't seriously don't it was like I would have stuck or something I do not know like I just bought some random keys or a car boot I have no idea and uh yeah that was me first little um no week experience with a lot seeing you're down the market there's a do you get pulled with the corpus we've got a place in Glasgow called the badders people used to sell the dvds and all the fake clobber and it was fine but then over the last five years 10 years people places they've been getting shut down as corpus constantly on the I mean like everyone loves to go out of market and get a deal like have you ever got a snide raffle in shirt or have you got a little pride of show so yeah I'm doing real nice don't do that cool so everyone everyone you know blots of bargain and I did just sell a bit snide in the market that was before I started actually doing my own business but it was it was anything I could get me hands on I sold and I was good at it I was really good at it but my problem has always been not now but back then was I've got a terrible addiction to knocking out money like I could um 10 grand in a week and I could spend 12 I was just I just love the good life um but yeah again I've got a very good talent I can get money just as easy so I'll but that was the problem with me when I was younger was I'd I'd I'd have a market on a Sunday and I'd go and earn myself a grand I think fantastic wow but then I'd be up and I'd be up the Mayfair up the West Endersang like an idiot buying bottles of champagne and really I didn't have the money to do it just like I did you know what I mean but it taught me that Monday morning wake up a little hangover skinned no reddies I got earned some more and that made me hungry because I'd be up there with all these city brokers and all these big players and I'd be like I want to be like them but I don't I want and I would never I'd always hold me own if they bought a bottle of champagne I'll buy a bottle of champagne but I've wanted to be that that lifestyle and it made me so hungry to earn money as a kid like so hungry because I love I just love to grow up I love doing deals and I and one of the things I've always done and anyone who knows me can tell you this anything I sell I'm all about the people like so for example now I'm just gonna fast forward to now like when I started my mattress business I literally bought five of the highest price best spec mattress on the market I took them to a manufacturer we cut them open we look what was in them and I said how much it cost to make them and there was like two three four grand and I was going about 250 quid and I was thinking how can these firms charge two three four grand yet they're having they're having people over so that is what I'm like I like doing everyone a deal and I've always sold my products as I've done that and even back in the day it was don't go in a shot and pay 90 quid for that t-shirt you never score it a day and that's how I've always worked you know and I've always worked that's me that is me give everyone a good deal yeah it's the best way though but I think the bubbly personalities is a big win as well that people are drawn by energy you've got a good energy so people are going to buy into what you say but if you're selling me a mattress and now you're probably fucking buy it but you've got these kitchen places people are buying kitchens and not getting them for three four months these places don't even have the kitchens they're paying for them up front and then they're ordering that whatever the fuck they're ordering and bringing it back and then giving up they're making fortunes all people it's an absolute liberty like you don't realize that all these big firms they take your money up front they haven't got your stock they're going to make your stock yeah like they make you wait six to eight weeks I physically hold the stock so if you rung me out on winter I need a super king-sized mattress I've got five or six hundred pound to spend I'll go well at least one six and a half it cost you three and a half grand same spec same thing made by me with a guarantee where'd you live oh you're up in Glasgow you have it here on Thursday this week they'll be like how'd you do it because we're angry I've got I've got a team around me of all my friends and they're all my friends even if it works with me and we just get the job done and we have fun doing it that's the best way that's the best way did you have many friends and your younger years um teenage years of your constant on the draft I've always been I've always been I tell me get you anything people please uh no no actually I'm if I don't like saying I will tell you like that's me yeah I will tell you how it's even like your mom and dad the relationship broke up did you feel more pressure on you to earn more income uh yeah obviously yeah because 100% you know I couldn't go dead lens 50 quid or yeah mommy ain't got a score you know I mean but I was young then I was young then I was by the time I sort of got to me late teens in my early 20s I was I was on my own two feet I was I was I was alright you know do you work better under pressure 100% why is that I don't know what it is I I I love pressure I don't know why I don't know why I just it's just it's like I'll tell you what I'll tell you what an example that happened this week Giz has ordered for a hotel he's ordered 80 saint mattresses 86 mattresses spoke to my manufacturer they can only physically get me 70 and I'm like oh what am I gonna do and I've run around to other manufacturers and they're like well Tom we're doing things for dining and we're doing things for come on and it's just the butt I'll just get a buzz out of it I just enjoy it I don't know what it is and I thought I hate letting people down I hate it is that when you feel alive I don't know I'm always alive aren't I I'm just mad aren't I just a good thank you fucking have though like that was another time you felt changing career paths if it got on course yeah when I was young yeah when I was younger yeah I did I um it was I was do you know what when I was like early 20s I was fed up of never having enough always like and people go Tom but you do well I go yeah but I ain't never I weren't never gonna get rich I was good time to me I was gonna get a cut of ground a week and gonna knock it out on a weekend I don't like deep really like old champagne on lemonade Monday that was me and it weren't and I remember sitting down myself thinking I can't continue my life like this because ah eventually want a family I want I want a nice house I want nice cars I want a business I want a bit of structure there was never no structure back in the day um and that actually started to come fun enough when I met my lovely missy Sinead um because when I met her and I and I this is like mid 20s now I'm skipping forward all year sorry that's okay brother that's okay just wanging at me it's just what we're doing at least well look when I met so so Sinead if you met Sinead she's beautiful lovely girl love at peace she's fantastic yeah and really good for me because the day I met her I was actually in the city of London being Charlie Big Potatoes with no dough I had a thousand quid to my name that was me that was my whole entire bank row and it was in my pocket there yeah and I walked into a bar called Happenstance in St. Paul's and she was in there of course she's beautiful and there's all these bankers in there and I was looking at the part of the little tire and thought I was a governor I don't know what I was doing up there and I just and I just remembered I remember she was with a mate of hers and I was trying to get a drink in a bar and I and there was all these bankers in there and I went oh yeah I went you two get away from the email me it's come over here come on and I was like who the fuck's this hell with it like and I'm coming up buy you a drink and I'll give it large and what'd you do I went out a big time marketer and I called the stalls down here and doing all this and they're thinking who's this idiot and I'm thinking who is this I'm gonna think back everything what a doughnut and I remember we ended up having a drink and I spent my whole entire grand right on that day on that night with her we was in we was in the sushi samba we was in little Italy and so we was drinking pink champagne in the water on the street come to the end of the night I've got got her in a cab I've pulled it she went you ain't coming on me like I don't know what I'm doing drop drop in Finsley Park north London to her to her mum mum and dad's ass went back home and I remember I remember going in the cab with my mate I don't feel like enough is fair like just not tell me a bit of daddy was laughing I went like mate I promise you I'll get you and I did the next day I brought a bit of a mate paid the cab driver and I had I had a memory fan it was my worst fan it's a fiat one in big fuck I'm a huge fiat fan massive old lot of sprinter but worse and the windscreen why it was didn't work on it and she's text me in the morning saying thank you for a fantastic night really enjoyed myself like it was brilliant she was doing that one tonight and I went oh with me and you come out hey and she went yeah well like what do you want to do I want to go to cinema I think somewhere chill got no money left so I remember that time we were running about in my old van I went down a pub called the new in and giddy apart knocked out some t-shirts I had so I had 100 quid to come out with she varies in it really so I got them picked her up in this old spunky old van with Rustos and she obviously last time I'm giving it all Charlie big potatoes she looked at his van and she went I ain't getting in there he gets all like all bits and pieces in the back and there we got into the cinema I've ended up chewing on a pick of mix like what do you want to see sitting the finger and we had and we had a what's the cinema I went in to I think it's Frankie and Benny's afterwards had a bit of dinner dropped her home and I fell in love with one and we went on loads of different dates and yeah and then it was after we was like cutting going out real well and I remember I remember she went do you want to go on holiday and I was like yeah yeah how much is holiday because I hadn't really been on holiday I hadn't been away I hadn't been on holiday since I was a kid with my mum and dad so I was how much holiday she was like oh about two and a half grand I was thinking fuck I ain't got two and a half grand and that was actually when I thought right that's it man no more fucking about and no sorry if I keep swearing no no more no more winging your life and no more nicking a bit of money and going out let's get yourself sorted and and do you know what I actually done this is how I started where I am now is I bought myself a temper pillow and it was 90 quid yeah because I was having problem because I'm quite big I was having problem when I lay on the pillow I was like sinking into it and I bought this and it cost me 90 quid and I remember and I wouldn't shut up about it my mate so I went oh this pillow cost me 90 quid but it's the best pillow I've ever read and there was all that time it was a pillow year old me and I'm gone about so I've then got this pillow done exactly what what I've always done found a manufacturer up north in Yorkshire we cut it open together I said how much it cost to make and he told me about nine or eight or nine quid I guess I've worked called mark lovely bloke who always helped me for my life um I said mark you're gonna have to chuck up 10 grand for this like we're gonna have to start doing his pillar job he would tell me when you're about as reliable as a sieve mate like you ain't you ain't having 10 grand he said but I'll do it with you um and he helped me buy me first lot of pillars and I bought them sold and bought next thing you know I'm doing these pills and I thought I'm having a right good go here like and then I had a little round I had about 30 or 40 shops that everywhere I go and drop 20 pillars off and they was taking them on old sale I was standing in the market selling me pillars and they was working and I had my own little brand it was called the fluffy pillar company and I'm doing these little and then I got a second and I started doing bedsheets and I thought hang them in here I've got a business here this was right before when an apprentice is about three years ago and I thought wow but I said I never had enough money to get to the next stage so I was but I was I weren't ironing it out now I was tucking it away buy my pillars tucking away buy my pillars and Shanae bless I loves the apprentice now I actually with I know it's gonna sound mad didn't watch the apprentice didn't really I knew what it was obviously I know Lord Sugar is but I didn't really watch the apprentice it wasn't one of my because I don't watch I don't still don't watch telly so it's come up on the TV he says like and I'm sitting in the room when it says like if you would like to become a candidate for the apprentice all you got to do is fill out this form and do the the now I'm dyslexic so forms to me ain't no good yeah so she's gone you've got to apply that you're much better no these dumb nuts on here and I said no I ain't gonna do that ain't gonna have me on there are they she would know Tom you've got you've got to do it I went oh shut up Shanae I ain't going on that anyway she's filled out the form send it off nothing's happened and about six weeks later she's gone there Tom they've only emailed back saying they want you to come in for an interview I said babe I ain't doing that like come on like we're laughing about something you're sitting snarky when the market he's like they're gonna want me she's like no but your pillows Tom your pillows you're doing well like that little sugar here like here comes a market background you've got to go and do it so I thought when is it she's like some so and so and so and so and I thought oh it's a Friday babe like that's my dog out the boys and she's like just for me come and do it so when all right I'll go and do it so I used to be quite scruffy Timberland boots pair of jeans a polo that's me that's me outfit in the summer pair of rafferings swimming shorts and a polo and a pair of rebook classics that's oh there's two looks for Tommy that's it right scruffy as you like and I've gone I've gone down and I was wearing a Timberland boots I think I put a pair of chinos on and a smarter polo and I've walked into this place up the West End it was just off the back of Oxford Street where they did interviews and there is untold like untold amount of people all wearing three piece immaculate so all with briefcases and file of faxes and I thought what and I've gone in there and I just I talked to people so what do you do so what do you do like and I'm just having a chat and I'm laughing with everyone and there was like a big circle and there was like this roof office there's all glass and I kept noticing people looking down but now now I've got a little audience and I've got about 20 people and I've been laughing and having a joke with them and I'm going mate he ain't gonna lie you look at the state of your suit and I'm just taking a piece out but having a right good crack and then they've they've called us into a room and they give you a number one two I think it was 40 or one whatever it was it's 40 stand you got and I remember walking in there in front of me was number 13 that's me I'm lucky number I'm right six dishes number six is me lucky number so I've got a right six coming me and you're swapping right and he's going no come on mate do me a turn he went oh and someone I like for enough swap with someone else and then as I swapped um my number whatever it was coming what it wasn't that they've picked me first and they've gone right right you've got 30 or 25 seconds to tell us everyone a bit about yourself and why little sugar should be your business partner and I've gone right uh hello everyone of course some lovely suits in here today my name is Tommy Skinner and I run a few quid little sugar we met on the right me and then just a bit down again and I thought oh fuck this yeah and then they've gone like number 24 and they've gone oh hello I'm John Smith I'm an in senior executive at HSBC Bank and I can do it and I'm thinking oh mate I'm well out of my depth yeah then they're doing someone else someone else and then they've done all the numbers they've gone right well done everyone number boom which is me boom can you please step out there and I thought I would I would well nice to meet you all I thought that's me out is they're going the next stage walked out many summer geese up and they've gone well done you two have made to the next round I thought are you winding me up right they've gone no no no they've got to go on the lift up to the next level I went all right lovely I can't the next level so got to live on talking to summer geese and he was a right nice bloke's geese he was a car salesman and he had the chat but he was like he was good and he went so would you and I went mate be honest see I sell pillars he went pillars I mean that's what I do mate I sell you know fluffy pillars that's what I sell on the markets you know you ain't got no chance mate yeah what do you do when I sell high-end luxury cars I went all out mate yeah all out mate and we've gone to Nick we've gone to Nick he's probably gonna watch us and think that was me and then we've gone to the next level and there's a cut of desks and you sit there and you talk to this um I think he's a producer for the show Ami and you are now and they asked you a series of questions how would you deal with fame and I went I'm already famous loving Romford everyone knows me and she started laughing and she went do you think you're good I'm the best yeah I love you I'm having a laugh and she went you are funny and then she goes but do you want to be on tv and she went there's a right answer and a wrong answer and everyone I could hear them all going no no I don't want to be on tv I'm here to be a business partner all too because I went well cost me to be on tv why would I not be here I'd love to be on tv when I think only because I see if I was on tv and she started laughing and she went upstairs I went oh I've made it through again and I've gone up now you in a little room you're in a little room now and uh there's about 10 people or 12 people and they're all an hour old of Matthew that's to be fair they went right you're gonna get grilled now there's two rooms and these are Lord Sugar's business advisors and actually are and you and they're gonna question you about your business and why you should get the quarter million pound for your business I thought well let's go easy and I didn't have a clue I just winged it I winged my whole life and I got in his first room and the geese started going to me so what'd you do and I went well I sell pillars well I said well I make him in the UK mate well UK manufacturer use the best materials we sell the premium top quality pillars at discounted prices like a market well he went well people want high end ones I went well I went mate if a white company one was 90 quid and sometimes you go to a school would you buy he went yeah I went exactly that's what I'd do he went I didn't know what to say then he went well he went uh I think you should import them from China and I said but my whole business is about supporting UK firms mate and I said I don't want cheap to I want quality at discounted prices well your margins ain't big enough well listen mate it's enough for me so I might be but but you know I'm making a profit now mate and then he says that and I went mate I went listen I went how many pillars do you sell he went none I went leave the pillars I went leave the pillars to me mate yeah and he just he just he just didn't know what to say you don't know love then we've got another room and the bird went I'm not I'm not even gonna bother interviewing you she just went like she went I've seen you she went I was up there looking at the glass because I should I see you if I'm around you're talking she went we really like you I went oh fantastic um tears a bit about you so now it's to tell them a bit about myself and this that and you know a little bit like what I'm doing with you now uh and she went fantastic we'll be in touch well what do you mean you're being touched have I got the job or not and she said we'll be in touch don't worry go on off you go so I've left there and uh met up with you know we went we went to um went out in Fingery Park had a few drinks had a bit of food she went had it going yeah I think I got the other one I'll be on you I ain't got a clue and I waited a couple of weeks nothing happened nothing happened then I'll get a phone call Tom you've been selected as the final 50 or 45 or whatever it is this is where Lord Chagratchy watches it and picks who he wants on the show oh no I better go and buy a suit in because I didn't have a suit I only had my black funeral suit that was a funeral and when that was it like I didn't I didn't have a suit and uh I went I went and bought myself a suit bought a navy blue suit and we had to come back in a couple of weeks and now you're in a room with all these people who are there's one in London one in like Manchester one in Ireland one in Scotland and they pick from each their four that are going to go into the actual house and there's a series of tasks you've got to do James now I really enjoyed it because I said laugh there was um first one you they go what can you uh stand you don't never spoke to me on there can you all these people you can't talk but we want you to number yourselves between one being the ugliest and faulty being the best looking and I thought all right so after straight I just got I went straight to the number one ugliest boy in the room you know as a judge I thought it'd be funny there's people arguing over who's the best looking and I thought what are they doing like I was thinking some of these are our monsters that and then they've and then they've gone like can you line yourself up in intelligence again I just went straight to the one they're all arguing over who's the most intelligent in the room but I'm actually laughing I'm actually laughing me off I'm going what the what the fuck yeah and then they've gone um like can you line yourselves up one being the least successful and up there for the most successful I don't just went straight to the one and I'm laughing and I'm getting the cameras on like that yeah and the geysers like just on the camera just laugh me off you just like because I'm just making a peace um and then and then they've got my well done now all line up now you've got 20 seconds to sell something to our producer in front of the camera and this is where I knew I'd smash it and they've got up and they've gone right you come forward and they've gone right there's a box right there we go tissue right sell me this tissue and this woman's gone this tissue is the finest quality tissue in the UK um was £1,000 million now it's 20p like I was like oh she ain't getting in my bag and they've gone then they've got the some geyser uh he's gone out and had an arm to pull the umbrella up and they've gone sit he's gone this umbrella's limited edition and he's opened it up in the room I went I went that's unlucky he's like the nails started laughing he's like uh they give him back and he and I for what then they've gone to someone else um and had a pen and they've gone sell the pen he's gone this pen makes your hand writing better and I thought these ain't got no clothes like then they've gone to me and and the birds pulled out a boat the woman's pulled out a boat and it's a boat like and she's this is I've always told her she's gone put a boat in my hand and she's gone some sell me this boat and I went what this old boat here she's gone and you're on camera she's gone sell me this boat and I'm gonna do it to you that's the boat I've put it in her arse said how much would you pay for that boat and she went I don't know one pound that I went sold he's is that and I just started going I and uh then then after that they because they apparently little trip is watching this I don't know if he's here he ain't but he probably is now in him he's a nice bloke by the way um and and uh thank you mate got dry mouth talking yeah and then uh you got to do a task where you got to build a bit of furniture and everyone's arguing and we built a we didn't even build it like collapsed and I was a project manager and I was like I don't know what I'm doing why am I here like just I was just laughing and then we went home that night uh waited didn't thought I'd get it got a phone call from one of the producers and they because I've told all my mates I've done it they was all prank calling me at the time getting it time it's fucking it's free from baby show you got a job and I'm kind of like but anyway phone and I'm I'm I was sitting in my mum's ass I was I was making me self because I'm don't stop I was make myself a sandwich and I'll never forget phone rings with old number hi Thomas it's so and so at the BBC just letting you know that you've made the final casting fuck off mate you think it was a prank I thought hang on a minute no one's run me back or text me going out I got ya phone rings again hi Tom we got to cut off I'm like I am so sorry when I didn't hear like obviously did I think I don't know um and then I had to go I had to go back and they picked me for the for the final casting which was like unbelievable and uh first three of them went went down at Westfields at Stratford got yourself a cut of soots got yourself cut of tires um yeah and that was it I was on the apprentice because from all the appearances you're probably the most well-liked character that's ever been on it which is a phenomenal achievement but everyone hates him on it some of them are a snotty bastard so you go I fucking hate that bastard but did they ever try and make you feel out a place or anything to no as if they were better than you no I remember we're like when you when I first because when you first go on the apprentice yeah like you they say to you son in da you cannot tell anyone what you are doing so I only told it half a dozen people everyone in wrong put yeah like I went there was a guy shut up you know me you ain't I would mate I'm going on the apprentice it's gonna never in a million years that you got any apprentice when I am going on it I'm actually going next week you ain't gonna see me for a few weeks um one of my best pals big lengths they've seen big lengths he's like seven foot tall covered in tattoos looks like the scariest as scary as you to look at right but he's loved my best mate he told everyone because I was awake with seven weeks filming it he told everyone I'd been nicked and was in jail so when I got out of film when everyone started going I'll tell me it's a two and mate how'd you get on I've been filming the apprentice and I believe that's not it but um yeah so yeah well I went in there um they take you as you as you go up there they pick you up in the cabin in the morning you give them all your suits your suitcase they take your phone off here and they say you have got no contact with the outside world until you get fired and I was like whoa okay they put you in the ballroom the very first day um you go straight into the ballroom you don't talk to anyone else there you sit and they go you sit there you sit there you sit there and I'm looking around this room and I'll never forget I'm thinking what what whoa like it's all a bit weird now and I'm looking at everyone's shoes because you can tell a man by their shoes I can't even I'm thinking mate he's got pony shoes that guy's like you know just I'm just like judgmental bastard yeah and I'm and I'm just but I'm having a lot of keel to be self here thinking God what's going on here Katerin Brady turns up Claude Litner turns up there's more cameras than we've got here today all over here there's Mike Sonja no son no sugar walks in and he just starts ripping everyone he said he said uh and he's and everyone's because I mean my business plan was literally one page I'm not even lying to you it's one page it was like I sell pillars I could do more money to buy more pillars and sell more pillars that was literally I'm not joking you that was literally it could take what I don't do I can't do like anyone you ask everyone that works for me I can't do paperwork I'm just terrible at it um so I did feel like I'm at me debt fear now because now I'm on the show I ain't got a clue what to do like I ain't I ain't a TV per I've never been on TV before I've never really run my own business I've always been a duckman but I've never read I've never worked I've never had a job in my life so I don't know what it's like to be in an office and deal and work I've I've always worked with me scallywag mates my whole life I don't really know what where I'm at here um and he come in and he started he literally started slating everyone what's your name you call yourself the falcon you started ripping everyone and I'm just I'm laughing yeah and he's like why are you laughing I'm just funny if I'm so serious he went but he sort of looked him and he thought what's this case you're about like because I'm just cracking up and he went Tom you've you've said that you're quite jammy are you a donor I said whoa low sugar I'm not being funny probably am mate like I'm just having I'm just I'm sure you love don't I'm just having a but I had a bit of banter with him off the off the cusp like straight away um it was everyone's like sort of started going I'm the best I've never said I'm not I'm not the best I'm good at selling but I ain't good at all anything else so I never said I was and I think he quite liked that from the start and then he he probably shit me up because I'm scared of flying the first thing he actually said was right guys um you're the uh series 15 apprentice candidates good luck one of you will be my business partner in the next three hours you're getting on a plane to South Africa what what what I was like what do you mean like I'm pooing myself because I hate flying quiet and there's a there's a lovely lady you like because everyone gets a like this between fire put you looked after by one person what does they look after they were like is everything all right do you want to walk over like limbs but it's lovely yeah lovely's prettier than me um and I went have I got to get on a plane is that are we actually going to go to Africa or is that like just for the tv tell me we're going to the airport now what is that you got to take a seat off now put tracks on we're going to get in the car and we're going to get on the plane are you but I can't fly you know I'm shit scared of flying well you go I'm in well I don't know what I'll get off so I've got um I've got on the plane I've done it and I'm honestly I'm most scared of my life like I've I cannot fly on a plane go on there you can't drink you've got no fun so I can't even like ring you should only go mum put me so well you can't talk to anyone so I just got I got to there they've got they've took your money off you everything so I've got to the airport I've made a slip off don't know how I've done it got a bottle of wine and I've done a bottle of wine at the airport then I've then I've got onto the plane and then because it was a British Airways plane they come from the trolleys all the drinks are free at night but everyone else just sleeps a night flight everyone's asleep apart from like the camera guys who are my friends now like loving a lot and I go right I'm necking these bottles of wine now I've made friends around the plane now I'm walking up I'm in the I'm in the first class talking to people I'm up the back talking to the back of the plane like I'm just having I'm pissed out me had also they've gone within one hour we'll be landing in Cape Town South Africa I'm like fuck everyone's been asleep for nine hours they've all woken up oh we're coming to land how did I sleep I'm like as we've landed I'm boozed out me head they start filming a tire straight away you land change clothes so for the first time I'm pissed I didn't even know what's going on but no I just I just really really enjoyed it like it was just it was just a life changing experience James like like to go from boy just knocking out bits in the market to then being on this big TV show I was like what is going on but it was just it was so much fun and I learned so much and I and I made so many friends on there like it weren't just the candidates who's with it's the runners on the show the the camera men the sound guys the producers the script everyone like and I was just and I was all Tom like I was just chatting with him all the time having a laugh and I just took it as as like an exhibit like I can't explain to you it was just the best one of the best things I've ever done in my life and I just loved it every single minute of it I loved it and that's why I don't know if you've watched it but even though she's slagging even often and I don't ever do that once I was just enjoying it and saying I'm grateful be here I'm so they go well Tom you've got to say something but I was like yeah but I can't he's what a nice bloke he's like he's like well no I ain't gonna slag you I think there's nothing wrong with me I think they're trying a bit too hard some of those people just they're trying to please yeah of course I mean I mean see that's the thing about life no matter how much money you've got some of these people they're not just saying those people but some people for even in London like Scotland Glasgow where I go hall walks everybody's good morning hello down here you can't say hello to anybody you feel as if you just took a shit and a fucking get all that people are just caught up in that race where they're just constantly working to pay balls but forgetting to actually live yeah no I've always I've always said I've always been like I've always been like that I mean there are people that are there's there's people like never ain't there but I'll tell you one thing that changed it for me on that show was towards the end of it and there's not many people left we've done a task and we're on a we're on a train and we had to run an event this on this big event on his train and we've got to sell tickets for it and at the end the person that made the most money wins says the A team and the B team I was in the B team I can't remember the teams were cool but I'm in one of the teams and we're on this train and we had a lovely day like we've driven all the way around London this old fantastic steam train we've served them up food and I parked I've had to buy the booze buy the food that's all part of the task it was beautiful like and everyone was moaning about oh we've got to get up at three o'clock and I was like I love it I'm used to get up at markets and we're on this train and I had a fantastic day and I was stuck with Pamela uh one of the girls in the group she's an absolute blind she's got a cosmetics company done really well for herself like and I there's me knocks out caterpillars on the market on a Sunday morning and I'm with all these proper business people um it's gone to the bold room and one of Pamela's jobs was to pick the allergies in the food but she forgot to do it but this girl like I know she she had a proper business plan yeah and she was such a blinder and I could tell that she knew what she's doing so it's gone to the bold room and there's a kid called Ryan Mark and he had to pick two people to bring back to one of them's going to get fired so he's picked this girl called Mary Ann and that Pamela when I looked at her and I thought we can't pick that Pamela she's got proper business like she's can do well and like she might get knocked out because it was her fault she's done the energy wrong um so I've gone Ryan Mark mate you can't take her like this has never happened in history of printings I said mate you cannot take her back to the bold room no no it ain't happening I'll go like I'm taking it everyone's like what they've gone stop filming they've gone this has never happened what do we do like no one's ever just asked to go back in the womb to get fired I said well no I'm not having her go in there like she's she's a blinder like she's got a proper business and she's done nothing wrong and they're like well okay the producer's like look she went to rum with it so they've started filming again look she was gonna you shut you do know what this means Tom look you could get fired I said mate I'm not letting her go back in there like she ain't she's made she's come on she's like she's the one like she's brilliant and he's like all right all right Thomas and Mary Ann and Ryan Mark you're back in the ballroom one of you's getting fired tonight and Pamela's gone off yeah and she's like she's like I'm gonna thank you Tom so much but start crying I'm like I'll be back in the ass what happens is when you get fired yeah they film a shot of you leaving wearing a coat but me being me left me coat in the ass so Pamela's now in the cab back from the ballroom to the house you live in but the the team have rung the um rung the uh the cab said Tom's like can you please bring Tom's coat back yeah but they but now Pamela thinks I've been fired right because she thinks he's my coat going back because I'm going home but it's because I forgot to wear it for the for the filming shot so now she says she's so when I spoke she's like Tom I'm crying the whole way back like she's like I want on good like I've just got Tom fired and uh so she thinks so even since she's come back to that I told him I've been fired you know I've gone in the ballroom and Laura's gone to me he's winked to me he's gone like I want you can't fire me now can you like because he can't connect you know I mean he's fired that Ryan Mark and he's really he's letting me that's brave what you've done like I like that and we're having a having a joke about it gone back in the cab gone back to the gas and as as they're at the door that um Mary Ann's walked in on her own because I said I'll wait never gonna hold up where's Tom and then I've walked in I'm cheering and uh it's on camera I just I when I'm like John Gotti you can't get me you know like that everyone started pissing themselves laughing and he was just he was a blinder you know he's an absolute blinder. How was that then from the kids from the markets Romford to then getting a bit of publicity in a household name from that show does that come a lot of pressure from that as well mate no when the show come on to tell you I never thought that I would be that well like I was actually panicking thinking oh everyone's gonna think who's this white boy from Romford like who's this cocky little fella like and I was I was I was a little bit nervous and then it come out in the papers the front page of Sun was like um Lord Sugar's um ex-criminal or something like it was like I ain't a criminal you know I'm far from it you know like I've done a couple of bit I've had a I've had a lot of fights and I was a kid like and I and I sold a bit of Nick gear and and I cut a bit some pieces I'm like you know I mean I I ain't no criminal but I've I've seriously she's turned my life around she's turned my life around and I was like oh they're all gonna right and then Pete was writing oh like you know like they're all the little trolls like giving it before even the show started and I was like I think I've done it wrong in here it seems I don't worry I said no I think I've done it wrong and everyone's gonna rank me you know and it come on and and it it was mad it was actually I can't explain to James how mad it was mate like I would leave my ass go to Lakeside I go and get a pair of trainers and I would get mobbed with people like mobbed like people going to me you're only friend is going to tell me to talk into all that it was mental and then I thought what I better do something about the firm so I made sure that the website made sure the manufacturer really start doing the pillars and then literally after the second or third show all that all that all that all that it just snowballed and then to the to the fact where the manufacturer said mate like we supply like tk max and like some big firms that you've sold more pillars than I have like this is serious and I'm like what do I do like they're like well you need to get like and it was then I was ringing up my pals what are you doing nothing come on come work with me like mate what are you up to come on come work with me like next you know I had all my pals who were who needed to do something you know because they was all going to end up getting like they weren't doing anything they come work with me and then and then we just started having it like and then we had and then we started having fun like some serious fun like we was knocking out seven eight hundred pillars a day online we was on the markets we was we was getting invites to restaurants like and I'm not a I'm not I'd always pay so look even though it's going come that I was going I ain't getting it free I'm paying I go I'll bring on my mates and me and we just had the best time for months for months and months and months and then we started expanding and then and then I expanded and then I really so all the money I'd earn and I don't a right for you quid now and it's more money I've ever earned in my life I honestly some serious money and then I've got the then I've got the big warehouse then I've got the office then I've got everything lockdown, covid, bang, dead, manufacturer's shut, manufacturer's gone skin it was like what what do I do oh no like I spent all that money like invested it all into doing it properly and and and I'd I'd bought myself a city watch and I ended up having to sell the watch and all me mates and everyone that was working for me we didn't work for like eight weeks for the start of lockdown I kept everyone in full pay it was skinning me out because I didn't I'd spent all the money on doing the firm then I managed to get out of it get rid of it and then the pillars sort of stopped and we was a bit stuck because the manufacturers wouldn't would not work through it because it was no one was everyone's unsure about pillars but the manufacturer done the mattresses he was still going and I went and see him and I said look like you know what sort of numbers I can do you I said I want to start doing the mattresses and I went and got four of the best mattresses I went and Adam cut open we went and made our matches better and me and my power big length sat in a van just taking orders off of Twitter and Instagram and the power of social media was unbelievable like we was driving to the end of the drop matches off to go and make 50 quid a mattress but we didn't care he was doing 40 50 60 it was meant to every single day and we built it built it built it and we just now we've got a company that sells the top quality mattresses at prices that people can afford because I believe that everyone should be able to afford the quality how can people buy these mattresses come come to Bosch beds dot com Bosch beds boom Bosch beds dot com or go we've got a team that works just on social media now we've got Dom Keegan we've got everyone in the office little top loads of them how many people's on your team there's nine in total that's amazing all from the back of the shorts kind of enhanced your life and other people's lives around you you've utilised it to your advantage see when you first make your messes as well when you're with a blogger and just winging it and telling their lies and I used to play for hibs under 18s I used to tell all the birds I played first team like I was a pure bullshitter but how much does that change up did you have to change your personality and whole outlook I've never changed my life once they've just been the same character I've never yeah the only thing I'd say the only difference to me now is when I go into Tesco's people stop me for a selfie I'm still the same person I'll never change myself and I've got a serious business now a serious serious business that we actually are competitive to the big brands now they don't like us because we are sitting what they sell for two three grand for four five hundred quid and they can't compete because we haven't got all these big showrooms we haven't got these million pound a year tv adverts we have got me on social media and my team who work who are the mate my team I swear God I don't sell the time but without my staff I ain't got my business and I've got the best team around me and they work so hard and without them I ain't got nothing so I know as much as I already apprentice I hope to the people who've got around me who are working with me to build where we've got to you know what I mean what makes a good salesman Tom like ability positivity and give the customer what they want you know like if you walk in to buy a red shirt and someone tries selling your blue shirt you I don't want that mate you know I mean but it's someone you got someone's got a red shirt that you won and they talk in that's it you know it's it's giving the customer what they want giving them I spoke so much before I put in the cup to look posh it's only tap or any in the bottle I just put it up in the tap earlier yeah I drive my mouth a lot with Totten don't shut up do I yell the time honestly one thing I do drink I must drink about 10 bottles of water a day or 10 glasses of water a day more what you must be pissing for fun them yeah when I get in the pub is it water bed you see that's what fills them up when I sit with the mattresses we're taking this to to a next level now like we we're proper can we're proper like at first it was a little bit like two blokes in a van driving around we're we're taking over manufacturing plants now like we've got where our sees 10,000 full of mattresses we're delivering all over the country within 48 hours we're and we're giving a product we're making everything in the UK and we're giving a product that people can afford I believe that everyone should be able to have the top stuff whether you whether you earn 300 pound a week or 3000 pound a week yeah in my book we're all the same we'll cut from the same cloth we all got to work we want to enjoy it and we want the best things in life now why should these premium products bring such money I'm happy to work and that's what I'm doing I'm physically working skinny but make sure everyone eats at the same time and offering products that I'm not a piss taker do you know what I mean and it's just none of these big companies ever come in yet and trying to offer you a big deal to try and take you yeah we have we have had a we've had we've had we've had someone try and buy our range and say look we want to be the sold this year and we want to sell it this much and I said but looks like they said well you're gonna sell I said we I said I'm a drink you said a week they went probably about 90 and I said well I sell 300 and said no and I'm not putting prices up because that ruined and they wanted to take the manufacturing abroad I said no I'm about making the UK like I support UK people I support UK I spoke jobs in the UK I support people in the UK I don't want my prices to go up and they that's me you know what I mean I'm passionate about it you know what I mean yeah how do you where do you go from here then you just stay in the UK or do you take it Europe global yourself the world's the US though you know I want to be I want to be at all I'm more at it's a household brand now but I want to be I want to have a bed in anyone's ass but there's something really exciting I'm working on because I can't stop burping now what's happening to me I'm burping I've done a couple of cheeky fuck I haven't I'm building the Bosch brand and we are products different products coming out and we're all about offering premium products at prices people can afford I want people to have luxury items so everyone can afford them and my new thing and this is no one else knows about is apart from you today yeah is I'm bringing out the Bosch driver for golf and yeah well I'll tell you what but not so I'll play I ain't a very good golfer but I love it and we've got right into it and I thought I start playing and they've gone tell me you've got to go and get a set of clubs so I've got me old granddad set which is 20 or 30 years old I play with him and I'm alright I'm okay I can hit the ball on way but I went to go and buy a driver and I've walked in a pro shop and there was like five six hundred quid and he's going yeah this one helps you do that this one helps you do this and I went mate like what is a good one for me that goes a long way and straight well this one here and that and what you got to do is get it done then you get in our fault what mate I don't want to buy what one can I buy that I wouldn't give what you buy this one and then you got come back and get a bit fitted and I was like that's the only one I can just buy but well unless you want to buy a lot of naff one what do you mean like I want to so then I I thought I've done the same things what I've done with the mattress what I'm on the pillars I thought well this is this is nonsense I want to no nonsense driver I want to drive our that you can walk into the shop and say what's the best driver in here that ain't gonna cost me an arm and a leg that's ready to go so I can pick it up bite and play with it and I we've spoke to the big manufacturers we've we've got a design we've got it created and it will be ready to sell within the next month it's called the boss driver and it's just no nonsense it is the biggest legally allowed head you can have on the driver it's fully titanium it's got the biggest sweet spot on the market it's been specially developed to give you straighter longer further hitting ability without it going all over the gaff it's got a shaft it's perfect for whether you've got a 30 handicap or a pro it's the no nonsense and it's less than half price less than half the price of all these big brands and a bush and I can't wait for it because up fair and that's it and I'm gonna keep doing that yeah with products and I'm bringing this is what Bosch is all about do these ideas just come into your mind when you walk into a shop and you think he's fucking overcharging and then you take that product and try and get it cheaper yeah that's the best way that's see the entrepreneurial skills it's just whether people like people even the drug dealers high-end drug dealers if they put that into whether it's certain fucking handkerchiefs or cups they've got those skills to then make it successful in a positive way where does the name Bosch come from I've always I don't even ask I've always so I've always said Bosch like you get a good gold shot Bosch or oh look I've just got a done Bosch we've always said it but when when it come on the show and they started saying Bosch means my dad went I'll be saying that since the 80s you prick but yeah I've just I've just turned Bosch into my brand like um and I'm just offering products a bit when I fold the premium that that's I know it's the brand Bosch is the brand and we're gonna keep sending me all the links we can put in the description for people to get these golf golfs get these mattresses get everything let's touch on fatherhood oh my how does that change the man mate my little boy I could start crying talking about him like he's just well to me we had little Henry last November uh it was a dodgy bus was it not yeah mate scary yeah yeah yeah it was scary so the the thing that was the old thing that goes out the belly button yeah really cool got wrapped around his neck three or four times and they sit and so it was during lockdown as well like it was um I've gone in the hospital on this doctor coming made this lady mate I I wanted to I'd give her the world because she went Tom now I don't want to I'm not going to tell Sinead this so it's up to you if you want to tell her but the baby's in distress um it's wrapped around his neck he can't breathe basically no I can't um we need to get him out now there's no light it's coming out now I went all right uh like you they went Tom just go in there and hold her end and I just looked and she went she's gonna be all right I was like I'm getting a bit emotional about another one all right set their elder and she wanted to tell me nothing she went not to be long now he's coming out don't worry it's all right I'm eating Percy pigs I mean really I see you first you like I ain't looking yeah right and also these doctors are fantastic absolutely fantastic um they got him out and he was all purple bless him like a little alien and he was all right and they went one two three bang and then nothing happened like and I was like oh my god is he all right and they just sort of dance out to him and they and he's went meh and I went like and then they put they put little Henry on on Sinead and just looked at his little face and I went love you like I'm giving a little kiss like he was all covered in blood oh it's like it's it's like listen childbirth is like watching your favorite pub burn down but it may and yeah if I what I like because I get up most mornings I get up I'm up at 4 a.m nearly every day going to wear ass come back go to the gym go to the office go on an early bird so and Henry's quite an early baby so what I love is every single morning I can hear him wriggling his cut and that's like mark you to get out four o'clock and he goes he goes I'm so excited to see him and give a little cuddle give him a kiss like put it give him a snack and I have to work and like and it's just the best fit it's just and it's made me think twice about what I'm doing like even little things are I'm a bloke you know I'll be in a pub at 1 a.m and you know come on out come on out but I've like you know I mean I'll be back I'll be back in 10 minutes and if I ain't ready to get in half hour like send it you know um but it's made me sort of think think about my life a lot and and since Henry's come my business has built a lot because well because I want to leave a legacy I want to leave saying that that my little boy ain't gonna be knocking out old I don't want him to be letting a pull out little bed in a front you know I mean I want him to have everything and and he left that he left that you know and I love being a dad it's just made me a better person yeah but I think you just being in your son's life it would have a good life anyway no matter if you were sitting in a one-house bed so now of course not everything you've learned this trade from coming from fuck off coming from that the broken home and the mum and dad split up to then grafting consistently you've worked relentless to get to where yeah so that's for anybody watching it shows hard work does pay off but it doesn't end there I'm the same people always tell me how so excited how well I'm doing how and I think you are especially yeah I don't feel as if for the levels that I'm going to go I want to be the best on the planet I ain't fucking around mate I'm working consistently and relentlessly to be the biggest and the best but I always question why is that why do I do that though is that to keep busy so I don't have to sit in my own methods I thought so I'm constantly on to go but when you have kids are everything I do is to leave a legacy like back in the day I was drinking drugs gambling I fucking done it all but that's because I was lonely that's because I was insecure but now I've got drive I've got vision to then at the starts always a hard the first two three years is always a hard because you think what the fuck is the point but then they will start going into motion you think okay I've got something and then the greed kicks in because I'm a greedy bastard I want more and more and more I'm not just enjoying what I have because I'm constantly thinking on the next day and the next guest the more views it's consistent so now that you've got the sun in place now that you've got everything you're happier how hard does that then to then cut out the spending that's extra couple of years and the pub watching the football when you know came our sons at home like your whole outlook I like we only go out six times a week now no look look I'm just bringing everyone with me mate like anybody's coming out with me if I go out when we just come out of me I've always been like that and yeah I'm just gonna I'm just gonna I have cut the spending because I'm and now if I if I because we're doing all right now but what we are and I'll reinvest and I'm and like you ask anyone that works for me they are very well paid very well it's after we always is that true because yeah I might honestly do that mate because yeah mate look it's it's so it's not just all bravado in front of the cameras you're the exact same they spoke to you off cameras for me you're the same character on and often I'm the same on it it's just there's no fucking mask there's no bullshit listen I'm here to make a crust I have an agenda to be successful so every guest that comes on I'm using but they're also using because it's a one-one same as yourself that that's the hard thing though because there's so many two-faced bastards out there like people have got one face for social media then another in person and that's where I think the world is becoming confused same the other way through yeah I just I look I enjoy my life I look after if you're my friend you're my friend like I look after you and I'm bringing everyone on this journey with me like this is a journey for me I don't know where it's going to end up but we're going to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and if I can help you I will and that that's me you know and and look if I fuck up which I do sometimes you know I always fuck up I've all the stock before and for I don't know what I'm going to do but that's because I've been such a like my team I don't mind Tom we'll do this with it we'll do that with it you know like it's I'm a great believer of you treat people you're gonna be treated whether you're whether you're like you're someone that works part-time here and there or you're the big CEO about you're the same to me we all drink in the same pub we all drink from the same glass you know we all eat from the same dinner table we're we're all me I'm a it's one big family and me you know it's one big family we all work together we have fun and we're just gonna enjoy the journey what's the older plans the rest of the plans for the future then global yeah if you want keep I'm gonna keep bringing the brands out I'm gonna keep bring I'm gonna keep supporting the UK small businesses I'm not about all the big firms I'm about keep I know it sounds a few weeks but nice that's not my game I'm gonna keep it as products that that are a fortune that ain't when you buy them from me I'm gonna keep my team tight I'm gonna keep my family ever I'm gonna keep going it but keep building it up until we are everywhere and that's it that's the sugar must be proud of you he's all right loads sugar I talked to him every now and then yeah he's a lovely man he's a lovely man to be fair yeah but is he talking to him your best time so you've done all the mate you're on tv fucking all the time now man you've done some celebrity was it celebrity chef um celebrity master shift done there done celebrity master chef uh tonight out of 10 cats they're good guys I'll make them I know um who's the boy with the teeth real becky it was becky it's like I seen his fucking video after England was sitting down alone eating that I think it was a kfc behind the police station but I've seen the videos in the videos he's a blind dude he's a nice guy Jimmy Carr um he's a funny bastard you know when I've done him on a telly and he got left speechless I've done the sales pitch to him what would you give that he didn't want to say he actually said he went I've never not known what to say he's a lot of mate Jimmy cut all these big celebrities like they're blinders mate I've like you get the odd one that's a wine cut yeah but you get that every week most people I mean I've learned that though a lot of people that you see on a telly when you meet in real life ain't nice people yeah on the thing they're like you know what I mean but I've learned I'm going to learn that you know I'll take you when I find them like I might I'm a messy thing don't touch me I'm like yeah don't do it it's different you got your hand in their balls though I was squeezing in that silver but listen brother for anybody maybe because you're a bubbly guy you've got the head screwed on you're you're reaching for the stars you're thriving but again my greedy bastards we want more but for anybody it's maybe if you ever struggled in life um mentally no no mate I've been I'm very headstrong I've always been like I've never mentally struggled but what I will say is I've noticed it a lot especially on my social media like my DMs are always open like um Manapit I spoke to like I'm not just saying this I've not got millions of followers but I've got a nice I've got a lot and I love my followers on social media we get hundreds every day hundreds of messages hundreds and hundreds and it's mental the amount of followers we've got the amount of messages we get is ridiculous we've got two people on it all day um and and I like I take time on a day people go to mum struggling I go send me a phone number give me a call come mate like it's they go watch it I go yeah look listen I've done it loads of times um I always get asked business advice and one one bit of advice I do say people is look always be the hardest working person in the room like one thing I do do is I am up at 4 a.m I will work all day like I sometimes don't get home from work till midnight do you know what I mean but you keep working harder than what you get paid to do eventually you'll get paid more than what hours you do you just got to keep going and keep moving forward um and even when you get put back mate the amount of things that I've done in the past thought that's gonna work fell for someone I never gave up I never ever ever gave up like and now I'm comfortable I'm not where I want to be I'm still I'm still at the start of the slope but I'm on the slope on the way out um and any bit of advice is just keep going you have your dreams you see your dream you go and get it because you can do it I'm walking talking proof yeah that you can go from doing nothing to having everything and I'm still not finished so I just yeah anyone that wants to reach out send us an email send us a message send them I'll talk to you and I promise you I will but yeah wait yeah do you fit here how old are you 30 I am yeah I look a little I'm that little pipe round round room but that's what it was he's got me James this is only the beginning mate this is a that's a great age I believe to to shoot into the stratus we are 37 so a bit more experience yeah that's a lot older than that cancel those math mistakes there's no links in the description after this brother for coming on today and telling your story listen I've already enjoyed that you've got a great energy good guy and um no doubt we'll be friends in the future take care thank you very much check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast thank you