 Long Jean watches have won 10 World Fair Grand Prizes, 28 gold medals and more honors for accuracy than any other timepiece. Long Jean, the world's most honored watch, is made and guaranteed by the Long Jean Wittemaw Watch Company. It's time for the Long Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour brought to you every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. A presentation of the Long Jean Wittemaw Watch Company, maker of Long Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittemaw, distinguished companion to the world-honored Long Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Long Jean Chronoscope? Mr. Max Eastman, author, poet and editor, and Mr. William Bradford Huey, editor of the American Mercury. Our honored guest this evening is Tadiusz Komorowski, better known as the famed General Bohr, leader of the Polish Underground in World War II. The opinions expressed are necessarily those of the speakers. Mr. Bohr, our Chronoscope audience, of course, knows you as one of the great underground leaders of our generation. You are an expert on underground warfare. Now, sir, and you're an immigrant from Poland now. What brings you to America? I was invited by the Pulaski Parade Committee to attend the Pulaski Parade as guest of honor. I see. So you're a guest in America now for a few weeks. Yes, that's right. And you are now living in London? I have been living in London since 1945. We, of course, know your story of how your Polish Underground opposed Hitler and then how the Russians failed to come to your aid. That's true. The Russians waited until you were virtually destroyed, wasn't it? Yes, that's right. And is there bitterness now in Poland against the Russians? Oh, yes, bitterness is very strong against the Poles. Again, the Russians, they know very well. We are anxious to get your opinion, sir. In America, our people are placing a great deal of hope in the underground movements in the satellite countries. And we like your opinions on the nature of underground warfare against the Russians. Now, are the Russians more difficult to oppose with underground methods than the Germans were? Oh, I think they are much more difficult. And why, sir? Junk. The German occupation in Poland was war bad. Now we live in peace bad. I think an underground movement is possible in peace bad. I don't think that an underground movement is possible for a long time in peace bad. Are the Russians more ruthless in dealing with underground movements than the Germans were? The Germans had no experience of underground, and the Russians are masters in underground. The Russians know more about how to combat underground. More, they know very well. Now, they were all underground themselves. But the Sight and underground movement, what about an underground propaganda? What do you think is the value of our shortwave radio, this voice of America, and all these attempts to get propaganda into Poland? I think it's very important that the old people listen very carefully to old news coming from the third free world. Whenever you were fighting so desperately against the Germans, sir, were your people made more hopeful by the radio contact with the rest of the world? Oh, yes. It's only radio that made them feel proof. If you think an underground movement is impossible in peace, that must mean you're waiting for a war, doesn't it? Oh, yes. For a war, I think it's very important. How soon is it coming? Yes. How soon is it coming? When the war starts. I mean, how soon do you expect a war to start? It's very difficult to answer, but I don't expect a war. Earlier, it's in two years. Why? First of all, I think that the Russians don't want to have a war now. When they would have liked to have a war, the war would have started two or three years ago. And all are preparing their strength now. Nobody is ready. Why didn't they start it two or three years ago? In three or two years, the strength of the Western powers will improve, and the Russians will have to decide. Do you regard our present efforts in Europe as hopeful, sir? Do you think that we are building a hopeful counterweight to Russian power in Western Europe? Yes, I think it's very hopeful. Do you think that it's possible for General Eisenhower to build an effective army out of French and Italians? Of course. Now, sir, here in America, a great many people were disillusioned after the Second War. They were a great many Americans had regarded the Russians as allies, and so they were bitterly disappointed at the betrayals that the Russians seemed to be guilty of. Now, were you people in Poland as bitterly disappointed with the Russians as we were in America? No, we were not disappointed. We knew the Russians too well and their attitude towards Poland during all the long years of the war. You must have known it after they double-crossed your uprising. But you were surprised when they double-crossed your uprising, weren't you? Yes, I didn't think that the Russian would stop their offensive for political reasons. And you were as a military man. They had military reasons to come to your assistance, didn't they? Yes, sure. But it was a political decision that resulted in your destruction. I think it was only political decision. They wanted the Germans to destroy you so that they wouldn't have to afterwards. Isn't that about it? Oh, yes. Don't you agree with me that it's about the worst act of treachery to an ally in history? I agree with you. Now, sir, the date of the Warsaw Uprising and your double-crossed by the Russians, that was about November 1944, wasn't it? Yes. And then the conference at Yalta was held some four months later, wasn't it? Yes. Now, you people, of course, were disappointed at what you called the sell-out at Yalta, weren't you? I was, at this time, prisoner of war. And when we got the news to our English friends, it was really a blow for us. You were bitterly disappointed at the way the Western allies seemed to have sold out Poland at Yalta. Yes, we sold. What will happen with Poland? What is the position of the Polish army now? You have some intelligence, of course, in Poland now, haven't you? Oh, news are coming from Poland very often. Do we know what happened in Poland? And nearly all the officers from major adverts are Russian. In other words, there is a Polish army now, isn't there? Yes, the soldiers are Poles. It's really good Poles. Because the command is a Russian command. The Russians from major on up is your information. Wouldn't that be a pretty weak army to rely on if Stalin marches towards the Atlantic? I don't think that this army will be reliable to start. He would hate to have it behind him, wouldn't he? Yes. That's one of the possible deterrents of the Russians from starting a war, isn't it? Now, sir, one question. Americans have heard a great deal about the so-called Katin massacre. We were told at first that the Germans had killed a great many Polish officers. Are you convinced that it was the Russians who destroyed the Polish officers? I was convinced when I got the news from one of my men that I sent to Katin in 1943 to investigate all in Katin and to bring me all the news and all what he had seen in Katin. From this time I had no doubts at all. And it was Russian propaganda to tell us in the Western world that those Poles had been killed by Germans, wasn't it? Yes. Do you think it would be a good thing if the United States came out firmly and openly for the overthrow of the Stalin regime in Russia and in the satellite countries? Oh, I think it would be... I suppose you don't want to advise our government. That's the reason I put the question that way. It wouldn't create an underground movement, I suppose, but it would create an underground movement in people's minds, surely. Yes, the people resist now, very strongly, the Communists, but they wait for the right time. Ah, General, in America, of course, we remember General Pylasty very kindly, and we've always admired the Poles as great fighters. Now, in your lifetime, do you expect to return to Poland, sir? Yes, I expect to return to Poland. I'm sure to return in my life to Poland, to free Poland. Do you expect to live until Stalin dies? Oh. And what do you think will happen then? When Stalin dies, I think some other prominent Communists will fight between themselves, but it's quite indifferent. It would be a fight between the Communist and Politburo, but I don't think something would change in Russia. Then, General, as our audience has understood you, sir, you would like the Poles in America to understand that Poland has been through many troubles before, and that you think that one day Poland will be free again. Thank you very much for being with us, sir. The editorial board for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope was Mr. Max Eastman and Mr. William Bradford Huey. Our distinguished guest was Tadiusz Komorowski, better known as the famed General Bohr, leader of the Polish underground in World War II. Coast to coast, the football season is in full swing, and coast to coast, the football games from more than 100 leading colleges and universities are chimed by Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch in sport. Yes, the games of Princeton, Harvard, Dartmouth, California, Texas A&M and Georgia Tech, and 100 more are all timed by Lawn Jean watches. All professional games, too, are Lawn Jean time. 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