 It's my last day in Uganda, I was supposed to spend 10 good days in this beautiful country but today it's 26th which means that I've spent 26 days in this beautiful country. It's very possible for me to come back here again. I think I've been mentioned in most of my videos but this time around I need to have a conversation with the guy who brought me back to the pearl of Africa. Do me a favor, if you're an African-American I know and believe that this guy inspires you. If you've been on the continent, probably this guy played a major role in your relocation to the motherland because I've interviewed someone in Uganda who told me that hey, you know who inspired me to move to Uganda. Come along, let's have a conversation, let us know why he decided to move in here but before I dive into the video, do me a favor, like the video, subscribe and be part of this awesome channel. Oh shit, Duke Jackson. I think that guy is great. You ready? Oh shit. We live. We live. Oh. Oh. You think this is a live stream? Oh shit, Duke Jackson. You're tall man. I'm getting tall, yeah? I'm so glad. It's good to see you again. Yes. You know, we met in Kenya for the first time, which year was that? 2018. 2018. You were a lot smaller than at that time. Yeah, very small. Yeah. I think 70,000 subscribers. Yes, yes, yes. Wow. What brought you to Africa in the first place? So I, you know, the African-American. Yeah. You have things off your bucket list that you want to, you know, accomplish, so Africa was one of them. I was living in Europe at the time, so I decided to take my first trip to 2017. But when I came back, I think I was going to South Africa, you know, I finally met you because we were, you know, buddies on the internet. Yeah. You're like, oh shit, come to Kenya. Yeah. And so after talking to you, I never thought I'd be able to have a real future here until you told me. And you didn't even really know about your own future because you're between China. You just don't get me. No, I was actually going back to China that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're the one saying, oh shit, you know, this is, this is the, the, the new frontier. You know, it's better than America, it's going to be better. So after meeting you and Dr. Moonby, that's when I felt comfortable that I could actually survive here. And why Uganda in the first place? Because we met in Kenya. Met in Kenya. Yeah. So Uganda. Well, there's the, the EDI meeting story, right? So he was a very charismatic person, like him, love him or hate him. So I was like, okay. And at the time coming to Africa, I wanted to go to West Africa, gone to Nigeria, but there was a lot of bureaucracy in the getting there. So the Ghanaian embassy wasn't in Poland, it was in Germany. And then the Nigerian embassy, I just think there were like so much steps. Make a count. You need to have an invitation letter. At the time you got in there, East Africa had, you know, these on arrival. So I said, you know, let me go there because it's, I could just get in, you know, entry very free without having a lot of hassle. So that's what brought me there, the ease of restriction. And then everything else from there was great. How long have you been in Africa, your first time and till now, how many years? So I've lived here about two and a half years, but I've been visiting Africa since 2017. And what has your experience been like so far? You know, man, like my, like my, I have a friend, Kevin, Samus has passed away. You're building the plane while you're flying it, right? It's been tough. I've had a lot of good things and unfortunately some difficult things just getting readjusted to being here, but it's been promising. You know, I've seen a lot of positive things happen that gotten better, but there's some things that still need to change. So if you had a chance to change something on the continent, what would that be? Oh man, there's so many things. For me personally, I don't want to get deported like you. I think African, a lot of the government's in the diaspora, the diaspora gives more money than even China. Yeah. Over 30 billion every year and some of them can't even vote unless they're in Nigeria, Liberia. Same thing. I think that if there were a more transparent process is that the diaspora can get involved because we have the greatest diaspora on planet Earth. We have the money. We have the greatest. If we have the Africa free trade agreement or inactive, we have the biggest trading block, but now we're, our diaspora is being limited. I feel because like the, these other governments are coming in and funding government, the diaspora is funding its people and there is a disconnect between that. And it looks like the governments don't care about the diaspora as much as they should. And if you look at what China and their diasporas doing, the Indian, their diasporas doing, they're able to develop because they're appreciated. But here the diaspora is really looked at as second class citizens. And I'm not even talking about even from us, the old diaspora, I'm talking about the new diaspora, the first second generation, Ghanaian Americans, Nigerian, you know, and also African Americans trying to come back. So it's just been very difficult. So if we could have easier processes and inactive, that way we could help ourselves develop and help Africa develop at the same time because coming here, we are also developing too. It's not just Africa. Africa is developing us. Does it mean that you have to apply visa once you live here? Yes. I have a work permit here. Yes. Work permit. Yeah. So is it like yearly? It's, I have one for three years. So every year it's $2,500. $2,500. $200. $2,500. Yes. Yes. Per year. Per year. For work permits. Yes. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous, you know. Yeah. Well, that's the... That's ridiculous. Those are the laws, though. Because I lived in China. Yes. And then work permit in China was less than $300. Per year. Per year. Yeah. And it's the same cost of living in Kenya, too. So those things I think as we get... If you're doing that then, which means that the diasporas are not welcome then. Because if you have to try them, yeah. You have the money power. Yes. But $2,500? Yes. To me. I say it's ridiculous. Yeah. Is it the same thing for other people living here or is it just the diasporas? No, no, no, no. Anybody that's a foreigner is paying that to have a work permit. The same process even in Kenya. I think Kenya may be like $2,000 per year or the same price. East Africa in general will have. I think Rwanda has a little bit... Its policy is better. Yeah. So, but the thing is in comparison to Rwanda, you look at Uganda and Kenya, there's a bigger entertainment scene, bigger agriculture scene, more opportunity as far as... What are the kind of opportunities that you've seen since you moved in here? I think I've seen opportunities that I've not expected. Let's say for example, I'm from Sacramento in Los Angeles. So I don't know anything about farming. I used to laugh at people say that, you know, you do poultry farming. And I laugh at you, man. Like, what are you talking about? You know? And it wasn't until I met Dr. Dan from Farma. Shout to King Obatuni because he was like, you know, man, poultry farming is big. You can make a lot of money. I was like, no, you can't. What are you talking about? So currently we are hatching about 120,000 chicks every week. Every week? Yes. 120,000 chicks. For mathematician, you know? Yes. How much do you sell one chick? I sell one chick for the Braila's about 2,700 shillings in Uganda and shillings and 4,200 for layers. So you'll just do the math yourself. I'm going to supply that by 120,000 a week. I've seen people do it in farming. I've seen people do things in manufacturing. I've seen people do things in certain elements of this money transfer, you know? Like in West Africa you see people with the, you can invest in agriculture, you know? A piggy invests in Nigeria. So there are just so many things that you can do here that's countless. Anything you can do in the West you can do here. But maybe even more because it doesn't exist here yet. What has kept you here for the past two years? What are you investing in the country? Yeah, well I have Ken Guy in the studios, but in which we produce, you know, me as a YouTuber. We are producing things for, I mean we even did agriculture here content. Now we're going to be into some like commercials and stuff like that, ads, things like that. So we have like a content creation agency. But what has kept me in Africa is the people. And, you know, having relationships with you to guide me, you know, because I am a complainer. What am I, how do you do this in Africa? Oh shit, you need to listen to me. So I think that's helped me and I'm more comfortable here. Yes, I've established a life for myself here and I want, I think that the, not even for just African-Americans, but there are a lot of Ghanaian-Americans, you got an American, they've been gone so long. And they asked me, how are you getting by? How are you, how are things happening? So I think that just having a relationship, the right relationships have kept me here and I'm just, I'm growing every day. Welcome to the Pan-African Dating Show. It's your girl Daddy Sims and today we have with us the matchmaking edition of the Pan-African Dating Show. Right about today, guys, I am bringing you someone that is a familiar face to your YouTube screen. You guys already know a man like Nicole, me, a.k.a., go with, was it, go black to Africa. We've created content with the people. Yes. How many people have you employed so far in the country? Well, we have ten here. We have three in Kenya, one in Russia, you know, Dima. Yeah. And we have one in the United States. So our team is 15, but ten are here. I love the fact that the people that I work with, some of them that I met before, like never had any idea when it comes to video editing. Nothing. How did you do that? Because I don't have that patience. Because I've seen how you brought people from nowhere. Yeah. And then to put them out there, and even the salary that you pay them is beyond. Yeah. I mean, what is the motive behind that? Well, you know, I think, like, number one, as a pro-black in Pan-African, you have to reinvest into your people. Yeah. And I think when I first got here, I had a Western way of doing things and handling stuff, like, oh, you can't do this, you should go. And then instead of understanding that, okay, this person has the raw potential, but there's some things that maybe we need to work on as they develop. Sometimes people are late and things like that, but the person is, you know, he's fastidious. He pays attention in detail. He really loves what he does. So let's guide the person and the individual to where they understand what they're doing. And then you'll start to see that they start making changes to the business that you've never seen before. So as long as they understand the baseline of things, if they have, you know, a tardiness problem or unaccountability problems, we address that real quick. That's one thing we know about being in Africa. Sometimes you're going to deal with that instead of being frustrated. Just address it real quick. Once you get past the unaccountability and why am I late or whatever, and the person understands what they're doing, they'll start actually adding things and they'll take the situation to things you've never experienced. And I've seen that. Your journey is across Africa. What has been the best thing that has ever happened to you? The best thing that has ever happened to me is, you know, let me just say this, because I used to have some, we used to, me and you, you have some offline disagreements about the African American versus African B. Yeah. But to know that, and I hate to say this and this is going to be controversial, but I feel that I can live here and be accepted. Maybe they don't look at me as the same person that, like as a local you've done it, but they do recognize me as, you are a brother. In America, we have this situation where the Nigerian person and the African American person may or may not, there's some tribalism there or a Caribbean, there's some friction. And then you feel like, if I go to Africa, I'm going to experience that. But you don't, you'd be surprised how many people in Africa are good people and will help you. And once I saw that, I called my mom and told her. I said, the reason I'm able to do whatever I'm doing for you right now is because of the relationship I have with these. She's like, what, really? And so she changed her mentality. She never knew that black people could work together and achieve something. She thought we could only do it in America. That was the only concept in the 60s and 70s. But the fact that, you know, African can help you, you know, help you, you know, take care of your mother in California. That's unheard of. Nobody would ever thought about that. But, you know, just because of the beef that we may have with certain Africans in the community, you come here and people don't care about that. They treat you as an individual. You know, obviously you have your problems, but people will help you. There's so many great people that have helped me here. And it's like, well, you know, are they like African Americans? No, no. If you're a good person, people are going to treat you nice. If you can provide things, people will treat you nice. So you believe that the saying of Africans don't like African Americans is just a myth? Yeah, I just believe people just don't like people in general. We got African Americans that don't like African Americans. You have Ghanaians that don't like Ghanaians. I think that it's about being a great person, loving the black people around the world. If you're like, look at you. I was there when you got kicked out of, almost out of Kenya in 2018. People thought you were a scammer. But now, when we came back to Kenya for the New Year's Day, we couldn't even get to the car. Exactly. Without 25 people. Hey, what am I? Hey, hey, hey. Right? Hello, guys. And guess who I'm back? Well, the Agari family. Oh, wow. Live in Nairobi, Kenya. It's your first time in Kenya. Yeah. First time in Kenya. Wow. And you're meeting one of Maya. Wow. That's amazing. So amazing. God is great. But why you chose Kenya, though? Because I want the children to see nature. I want them to know I'm from Nigeria. So we want them to be used to our motherland. Wow. So that's my thing. Let's start the Africa Country, guys. Yeah, yeah. That's it. Actually come all the way from Saudi Arabia. We live in Saudi Arabia. Whoa. So people love you because of who you are and what you've done for the content. Exactly. So that's what people appreciate here. I think most of you don't know what O'Shea is talking about. The first time that we met, I wanted to do a Mpesa transaction. Yeah, yeah. They thought I was a scum. Yes. I was with him. Yes. I was with him. And they saw my green passport. They're like, ah, that's Nigeria. Nigeria, yeah. And then nobody wanted to help me that. I was so furious because, listen, I'm from Ghana. I came here to do stuff. And look at how Kenyans are even treating me. Yeah. You know, when they got to know the kind of passport that I was holding that moment. I think I was arrested in Kenya. Yeah, at the West Gate Mall. Exactly. And at that moment, I felt like Kenyans don't like it. Right. But as I kept on coming to Kenya, the last time I was with you in Kenya, like everywhere we go, hey, Maya, hey, Maya. You can't even get to the car. That's what O'Shea is talking about. And the worst thing that you've ever heard about yourself for sure? Ah, man, here in Africa. Yeah. Even online in general. On my scammer. I'm smuggling drugs to the world. Let's say, let me say, I think I traffic women to Burundi or something like that. And some people who say some of you are white, right? You hear bad things. But as YouTubers, I see videos about you every day that are not true. Exactly. That's just how some of us are as black. I think I need to say this. I mean, I have read a lot of things about O'Shea. I always tell people that if you don't know O'Shea, you might judge him from afar. But when you get closer, O'Shea is a very emotional person. O'Shea is a very emotional person. And I see sometimes people online saying that, oh, O'Shea is this, like, that's the way people... I know when I started making videos, when I came to Uganda for the first time, I came to Uganda just to take advantage of the women. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had that too, yeah. Yeah, that was the reason why I was deported. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, every single woman that I met in Uganda, my first time, I never even had their numbers. But online, people were saying all of us, right? So me, after knowing O'Shea for that number of years, I feel like sometimes you need to get closer before you judge someone. Like, I work up every day, people are saying, what am I? It's fake, what am I? It's this, what am I? It's that, yeah, but believe me, O'Shea is not what you guys think. As you know, some of the views that I have, so people don't like those views, and so they tend to... That's personal opinions. Yeah, personal opinions. But if they see the work that I've, and I'm not trying to brag, but the work that I've tried to do, just to promote Africa, a lot of times, you know, it might be me putting my money behind something and you don't know it. It might be me, you know, sending my team to cover a farm somewhere in the village and then you don't know it. But so again, you expect that from, you know, but I don't worry about that. I worry about the people who do love what we do, right? And I wanted you to come here and explore Africa. I mean, explore Uganda again. And look at the things you've done, man. I've seen, you know, you break away so many people opportunities. Yeah, just like you gave me. So that was my reason, like you gave me my first editor, right? That I still have to today. Yeah. So people are going to always talk. Yeah. But how many of them are going to do the work? Personally, all I want to say is you've got to support people like O'Shea because you're supporting so many people out there. I think I'm not saying this because O'Shea brought me to Uganda but even I've been here for the past 26 days. I've seen people that came here because of you. Yeah. Yeah. They just came here for two days, three days just because O'Shea is in Uganda. So it's more like, I mean, selling a country in your own way. Yeah. I mean, no one is saying that you are an official ambassador for Uganda. But at least people are coming to the country because of your presence. Right. O'Shea, if you have a message to your fellow brothers and sisters living in the diaspora, will that message be? Yeah. I would just say, you know, like, we need a lot of help. We need a lot of help in bringing, telling not only just telling the story of Africa, but telling our story in Africa. Yeah. Because, like I said, you're African to the world, right? Yeah. So I think that we need to, number one first, just in the streets, in America, we need to just even greet each other because it's very common here, right? And a lot of the blacks that, you know, we don't have any kind of conversation. We pass one up without talking. But if we can get blacks to start talking, then we can have blacks start having relationships. We will see how this place can change. The whole continent will change. And we have the biggest diaspora in the world, one of the biggest. We have the greatest diaspora in the world, the most talented. We all have all the money that we need. So if we can just start to, you know, leave a lot of negativity aside, I used to be a negative person about Africa. I mean, I'm just going to be honest. I used to be very critical in the ways I'm still am. But then I started to be able to get past that and now I just started seeing my life change and going different directions and, you know. So if we need a lot of help here, not just, let's say, give your money. I'm not saying that. But people would come in and bring new ideas. You come here, you can see how things, you can do things in different ways than what's being done here. They could pull the diaspora in. And so we need a lot of people that want to help us. And if you're in Uganda, I'll do my best to, don't call me all the time, but I'll do my best to try to help you guys as much as I can. Hoshé is trying to say, give Africa the chance. Yeah. Give yourself the chance. Yourself. As a black person, you know, people think that you, you know, without Africa that you can't be successful. I mean, I can see how you can be. But if you have Africa behind, behind you, I'm going to say this before we close. I have friends from Africa and they were seeing her going back home to their house or whatever. I never understood that. But living here, I understand the advantages that people have with dual citizenship to come from Africa. And the average African-American doesn't get it. When your family has a farm here, your family has businesses here, and then you're in America also doing very well. That's a possibility to do a lot of development. So if African-Americans and the black Caribbean had the opportunity, you know, to share in the development process and provide them opportunities, you can't beat that. Africa is the future. Africa is now. The black world is now. I think we need to go ahead and take that opportunity to get to know each other better first and do... and everything else will take care of itself. Thank you so much for talking to me and I hope you take... I won't charge you. Take me to the airport, bro. Was it good?