 Hi everyone and welcome to this discussion on Bengali SF. If you ask me one hour is too less but we'll try to you know do justice to the subject and to your time and the reason we chose Bengali SF to go with is the history of Indian SF you know sort of you can say begins with SF in Bengali or by Bengali authors and for the purposes of this discussion and given that it's a vast topic till about 1947 when we say Bengali SF we mean United Bengal and then you know past that when we say Bengali SF we will limit ourselves to SF from West Bengal and not Bangladesh because that is another subject of discussion for another hour altogether you know for another day. Now to start with I'm in fact one of the things that I one of the reasons that I wish I was a Bengali because every Bengali seems to have been fed on a steady diet of science fiction from their childhood and it's you know living up to its reputation of having the most robust tradition and legacy of science fiction starting from I think from as early as 1835 when Kailash Chandra Dutt wrote a journal of 48 hours in the year 1945 so he it was a sort of time travel thing you know where he portrayed India 110 years from now I mean of course we must look at this in the background of the colonial tensions that are going on and then 10 years later his cousin Shashi Chandra Dutt wrote the Republic of Orissa a page from the annals of the 20th century again you know a time travel thing but these were both in English then of course the other landmark story that was there is Hemlal that's Rahasia which means mystery and it was this wondrous tale of these automatons and new machines and all that which was you know sort of wondrous for that age but you are the historians of Bengali as if they would all these three they wouldn't you know consider strict science fiction for that until now the first story was you know Nirvadeshir Kahini I hope I'm pronouncing that right the story of the missing one by Jagdish Chandra Bose thanks Devaraj I'm trying to do my best by Jagdish Chandra Bose and till now it has been considered the first true science fiction story of the modern era not just in Bengali SF but also in Indian SF it's a wonderful story about how Bose uses a bottle of hair oil to you know thought a cyclone and it's also a landmark in world SF or in literature that it was the first time perhaps that the butterfly effect or what you call initial you know dependence on initial conditions was used in a story so you know it has more numbers that count so for the longest time that story was you know considered the first but then I think we in the light of what the Kalpabhiswar team and Deep have figured out I think it's time to rewrite that bit of history so Deep can you just tell us a bit about this other story that has now been proven to have come before Nirvadeshir Kahini. Yeah it was the story by Jagdish Chandra Bose he was also the contemporary one of the contemporary science writer of that time he actually was very close to Rabindran Tegur and he used to teach in Shanti Niketan so Jagadananda Bose wrote a story it's called Shukra Brahman so the story was actually available for the long long time because it was a part of a part of one of his book which is published in like 1920 or 22 I can't remember that time but the thing is since it was published much later and in that book actually in preface Jagadananda said that he has written it long back but there was no proof that when he was written that story and where he was first published he didn't mention any of this so most of the researchers they actually thought that it was actually not the first story because in that story he said that two of the two friends they thought they went to Shukra Grove and they found a civilization there and that civilization alien life and their society and everything it was so vibrant and so logical that people actually thought that it was copied from one of the worlds or those kind of alien invasion stories and since that one of the worlds and it all those and some of those kind of stories are written after 1898 so people all assumed that it was of course written after 1898 so it was written in after 19th century so the first story should be Nirdesha Dahini by Jagadish Bosch because Jagadish Bosch written that story in a very specific magazine it was also very like a funny story there is a magazine it's called Kundalini Kundalini was actually a hair oil at that time in Bengal there is a very famous hair product company and their leading product was Kundalini hair oil so they say thought about that like coming up with a magazine and only they are going to make a competition on that some kind of you have to write some kind of story where you have to promote that Kundalini hair oil without saying much about like it's a promotion you don't have to say it's a promotion but you have to use that Kundalini hair oil in some way and Jagadish Bosch wrote that story there and that story was published in the first edition of that Kundalini magazine and it got the first prize also in the competition yeah so it was like they have there is a that magazine was available and we all know that this magazine is published in 1895 1895 or 96 I can't remember right it's 1896 actually 1896 yeah it's published in 1896 so we didn't have any idea that when Jagadalini was wrote that his story so sometimes back we actually found then in a magazine that there is a anecdote written that he wrote some stories some science stories or science fiction stories in Bharati magazine the Bharati magazine is also very famous magazine in Bengali but it is impossible to find out or track out all those copies of that magazine but fortunately in Hyderabad University there is a section of old magazines old Indian and Bengali magazines and they actually gave free access and they just made pdf of those all those magazines very well preserved so we went to that Hyderabad University archive and found it all the magazines and after sorting out we found an original story and that story that Shukra Bhavan was actually published one year before Jagadish Chandra Bose's story and if you actually read that story it was I know that maybe some of the guys maybe who actually read Jagadish Bose's story they maybe you can object but the Shukra Bhavan is much superior than Bose's story actually because it has actually depicted a society, alien society and there also racism is also there and there is a dark side of the planet and the light side of the planet and in light side of the planet all the societies and everybody they are actually very very allied to the european society and the dark part is their society is very allied to like the african savage savage society is there and he has given a lot of interesting scientific anecdote also like how the the the the society is how they are making their house how they are providing their foods and everything overall that story is in my opinion this much much close to a real science fiction than Polatak Tufan and and now since it's been proven that it was published a year before so it takes on the mantle of being the first I mean according to the first modern SF story in you know proper SF story in Bengal right I mean I I was fortunate enough to read the translation of it but in a you know like do not share sort of basis I do hope that you know it's such a great story I I hope that the translation gets published somewhere and yeah the translation is going to be published I think it is by Bodhisattva right and after that if you go chronologically then we must say about Sultanah's dream which is also a landmark it was written in 1905 and oh initially it was written in english and it was also a spectacular thing because that time someone is writing feminist SF and who belongs to a Muslim society and she she's writing it in English and at that time so it was also a very very spectacular thing later she actually translated it in Bengali also I didn't know that we found out that from Bangladesh we can find out that writing in Bengali also actually there were two two works by Bigam Hussain both Sultanah's dream and Padma Rao published in India's Ladies Magazine so yeah two nice fiction and ironically it also resembles you know the DC comics Wonder Woman Amazonian land where it is ruled by women there is a general role reversal so that's a brilliant concept yeah brilliant concept no I mean in for 1905 it was quite quite quite revolutionary the fact that all the men are in the Zenana right and the women are women take all the decisions and I love the descriptions you know work gets done much faster when it's women doing it because apparently the men are just good at like having chai and taking smoke breaks and wasting time so women get things done faster all of that and when in this society the men are allowed to do everything except embroidery because apparently they don't have the patience put a thread to everything exactly I loved that role reversal and you know even it's not just in the context of Indian SF but if you look at Sultanah's dream in the context of world SF it's probably one of the earliest pieces of feminists have ever written I mean the western histories you know usually credit Charlotte Gilman's Herland right but 10 years before that you know Begum Rukai Horsien wrote you know Sultanah's dream and coincidentally Charlotte Gilman's utopian land is called Herland whereas Begum Rukai's utopian land is called Ladyland Ladyland Ladyland so that's more British I guess yeah I mean like like I said we need to sort of keep it in the context of what is going on and all and and I remember reading up about it and her and you know she had written it to sort of surprise a husband who was out on a work tour and he comes back and he reads the story and he remarks most splendid revenge and apart from this though I think Shukra Brahman has been given this particular title as first Bangla science fiction I mean in the year 1898 Romindonath Thakur whom you call Romindonath he wrote composed this play Taase Desh and in his land of cards if you translate it and in that particular play it's a distant utopian land where the cards are ruling the entire country so you can see the traces of science fiction even in Asharegapur so yes so science fiction goes back long back yeah so it's a good thing and the ironical thing is this Kundalini thing Jawadish Chandra Bose wrote this thing it was a capitalistic strategy marketing strategy so Bengal came out of science fiction from capitalistic outsource or something like that so that's a very good thing I guess no and he won the prize but then you know and there was a whole subtext you know of the empire in it and then when he rewrote the story in 1921 that was right Palatuk Thufan right when he rewrote the same story while it stayed true in the essentials the science element had gone you know the scientific American which was referred to in the original story was gone suddenly you had this circus line tamer and you had this thing and the whole subversive you know the you know anti imperialist subtext was you know missing when it was rewritten in 1921 so yeah I mean I mean these are all great cultural figures which is why I said you know I mean if you're a Bengali you will end up being exposed to science fiction and you know and that you know as children we all love tall stories which brings us to the other giant of Bengali SF Premendra Mitro you and me please enlighten us so Premendra Mitro is Ghanada because he's so we have this particular term known as Gulbache. Gulbache means who boasts his own knowledge he has been to this land he has been to this space and all those things and I guess Ghanada's name is Douche or something like that I read it a long back Dosh and he used to say that he was called by as it Dosh by foreigners yeah yeah and he's like dude give me this cigarette and I'm going to tell you a story an incredible story and he takes you back he is himself a time machine he takes you back to second world war he takes you back to the world of Mahabharat if you look carefully he's a fascinating figure but in the end you will like so that's the fun behind it you won't call it pure science fiction and you won't call it a parody also it's somewhere between science fiction parody and tolerance it's a fascinating fascinating and it's the I guess it gives the glimpse of Bengali youth in that particular era that's a cultural icon yes it's a very important piece of literature from the culture it is a mass culture mass culture means some working people they are sharing a house and actually Ghanada used to live on the upstairs upstairs in the roof there is only a single room Ghanada used to live there and sometimes he comes down and share his wonderful tales to other people and all the other guys who lives in that same house they try to like find out any fault from his story but every time Ghanada actually used to just just say some some kind of stuff they couldn't find any any logical loophole in his stories I mean if we are going to accept dream narratives as science fiction as well I mean or as SF you know then I I guess it counts it counts I mean I mean I know you know it's a compliment that Bengalis love to sort of analyze and overthink and you know everything threadbare I mean for example when I was you know I'm not even going to attempt it because you know but just how analytical Bengalis goes yesterday in we have a group about science fiction in Facebook somebody posted a like a five page article about one of the Ghanada stories it was called tall that story was called it was a story about a specific kind of water which was supposed to be kind of a have some chain polymer like structure and if it is put into common water is going to break the common water and make it from Joel to tall tall Joel means water in Bengali but he invented the word tall that tall means a specific kind of water which has those those kind of destructive nature and that story was about that one scientist scientist make that kind of water and he used is going to change all the water of the world to that specific water and the thing happened that somebody actually find out what is that tall it was a polymerized water and yeah two scientists in Soviet that time 97 days they actually claim that they invented that kind of water no that was not a heavy water somebody rolled in about deuterium but it was not deuterium it was kind of a polymerized something a different kind of water that time it it was a very sensational news in 1970 that two of the Soviet Russian scientists they came out with that kind that that structure of specific water and after one or two years it was found that some other I guess that some French scientists he found out that that water actually didn't doesn't exist though those people actually made some mistake in their experiment and it was not a any kind of threat to world because that property doesn't exist really but if only they had you know presented that research paper as a science fiction story may have worked better actually that's what wrote that original article by those Russian Russian scientists and he wrote that story that's why he used all those special scientific anecdotes so but after two years they found out that that was bogus that but he couldn't change the story anyway so somebody wrote a five five page article about it in our group that Ghanadas fault Ghanadas bull oh I mean you must at the end of it you must probably tell people are asking what what group this is seems fascinating enough I mean if the conversation happens in English we can try or use chrome with the translate extensions basically this guy professor shonku so this particular device known as I guess a lingua graph or something which could translate any language to the particular from source language to particular language that is if that was the I guess ancient model of this particular thing known as google translate yeah google thing so Satyajit I was ahead of time and he could understand there is a big issue in India with this language thing there's a big issue so that's why professor shonku comes in I guess so but very close to heart now now now we're getting now we're getting to where you know deep raj's heart flies and talking about the rays okay so just before he went to I just want to add that today is the birthday of Shukumar Rai the father is it so yeah we should also mention Shukumar Rai and his work which is actually kind of very very much so so a little bit about Shukumar Rai and Satyajit Rai and their influence before so basically Shukumar Rai so he was he was of course he was the father of Shukumar Rai he came up with nonsensical writings I'm not saying it's a bad it's a nonsensical okay absurd literature for example hojo borolow abol tabol and in a in there is particular magazine Shanonda in the year 1992 Satyajit Rai gave an interview in that particular magazine that his father Shukumar Rai was inspired by Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World the Professor Challenger series yeah Challenger's Lost World and his Heshoram Hushieri is a bit of caricature is it's a parody of that particular Professor Challenger's work Professor Challenger yeah of course he is a big guy seven feet tall and he cannot control his you know rage Atamaji Satak Lee and all those stuff and this Heshoram Hushieri he is he's and he goes out to adventure he's an expert huntsman he takes out gun and all those he goes to Karakoram and all those places but there has been there I think I don't remember the name of the particular stories the Heshoram Hushieri's daddies came up and Satyajit Rai he took the cue from of course his father Shukumar Rai and Professor Challenger of Arthur Conan Doyle he came up with Professor Shonkoo in the year 1961 and his first work Bomo Jathri Diary or the Diary of a Space Traveller as published in Puffin's classic Penguin's classic and all those things he came up with this thing he was supposed to be a parody a caricature but in the end he became a serious protagonist with a little bit of humor and all those stuff so that's Satyajit Rai's Professor Shonkoo there has been 38 works short story is one big story Sharnaporni the story of golden lives so that's the entry of yes Professor Shonkoo and I guess I won't say he's the best of some something like that but he's the most translated most you know adapted in radio in the commerce toys and I was translated in English so that's how Professor Shonkoo is yes so that's it Professor Shonkoo and to description of Talwater okay okay so there are the interesting comments going over here yeah we'll get to we'll get to we'll run through them at the end of the end of this conversation and this I guess I and Deepu will agree with this thing the advent of magazines science fiction magazines so Sondesh was one of the magazines science fiction magazine which published Professor Shonkoo there was Ram Dhonu and Ram Moshal the famous magazine which published Premendra Mitra's works and then they yeah asked your job by you know Aadish Boddhan who coined this particular term in 1962 Kalpavikar yeah again I have to just interrupt Kalpavikar was coined by Aadish Boddhan but not in 1962 it was again Ram Moshal yeah okay okay we actually went through all the astragios magazines and we found out that it was actually in 1974 fantastic he first used that word fantastic yeah and so there have been many magazines before 1960 it was like some magazines they are actually publishing science fictions that's why Ghanada's attempt actually Premendra Mitra wrote many science fictions which are not tall tales which are actually science fiction yes yeah which are very good science fiction actually like Pee Pee Boddhan yeah Patale Dosh Bachar or something and there are lots of other stories also there is actually from this publication there is an anthology of science fiction stories by Premendra Mitra so those are the good science fiction stories not tall tale actual science fictions again what I am saying that in after 1960 there come Aadish Boddhan Aadish Boddhan that time he was a very young man and he thought that maybe they can start a science fiction magazine in India like that time it was science fiction was in India very very translation based because Hemendra Kumar Rai translated a lot of science fiction by an Indianized it in his his kind of charm so it was very good but he was actually Indianized all those science fictions not a Nordic novel yeah but I mean Hemendra Kumar Rai also wrote you know proper science fiction stories I remember something called the Martian invasion or something yeah but those are kind of an adventure story not very much science fiction story but of course there are science fictions also and anyway but what Aadish Boddhan did he actually went to Shatajit Rai he went to Premendra Mitra and he said that I am going to start a science fiction magazine in Bengali and you guys actually wrote science fiction you are very famous in that field so you back me up it's like a boys group come on yeah so all of them they started the magazine Aascha Jaya and it was 1963 it was a huge hit at that time they actually build a very group very good group of authors and those guys keep writing science fiction they keep translating science fiction and it was very popular at that time and not only in writing science fiction they actually started reading science fiction in in all India radio also and if the magazines looked anywhere like this no wonder everybody will just rush to read it just you know based on the cover so the crate goes to the man who designed the cover I mean sometimes you do judge the book by its cover and it's so nice and so nice and pulpy at bite for the covers alone right and they were great editors Shujit Dhar Ronin Ghosh they came they came later actually later at this time actually only Abish Boddhan was the only editor that's fantastic yeah Aascha Jaya so in 1964 they started making a share world of science fiction story I think that was one of the first work of share world science fiction Shubhuj Manush it was Shubhuj Manush the green man so the idea was that some of the those guys like Abish Boddhan Premendham it was one of the pioneers he has written wonderful science fiction he was a scientist by profession is very unfortunate that he died very young age otherwise I would say that he had to surpass all of them maybe because in very short time he wrote very similar science fiction because his background was pure science so there is a huge debate scientist writing science fiction people from literature editing science is a huge debate we can blood we can have blood yeah so what happened that they wrote a story actually four stories in a share world where green men invaded earth and they are trying to overthrow the human government and human way of life they are going to overthrow it so four of them wrote four stories and without consulting anyone and they went to all India radio and read that story on air just like it was one of the walls it was yeah it was almost like one of the worlds that also known story it was very famous it went their letter they actually wrote it as a radio drama and it was also available in that radio drama is also available in youtube right now but what happened that that original story telling that four of them they actually read their own stories in their own voice that was lost that was lost until we found like two years back we found one of the tapes that those round kind of tapes we found one of that hidden inside a trunk in late adhish madhan's house under a bed it was it was there like 30 40 years it was it was there even when we asked adhish madhan he said that i lost that tape it was gone so one of a kind yeah but it was there we found it and we restored that tape and then we actually uh published an anthology on on that uh book uh then on green men uh from kalpabisha so it has been translated into english i just wanted to it it is still it was translated in english but we are on we are still in okay okay okay in process that is going it's going to be translated in english uh i think very soon yeah maybe it was delayed because of this covid situation otherwise i would say that it would be out waiting for those translations to come for sure because i know these are those stories in that scroll article i was like i have to read these stories those are very short stories and it's an open ending you love it yeah i mean first time shared universe such you know great men writing sharing the same world and populating i mean seriously i mean i think we all of us over a lot of uh debt too deep and esteem at kalpabishwa you know digging up of these tapes or you know doing all that research and to just figure out which year was shukram on written you know they are science fiction detectives going to the house and the chest and finding out the treasures and all those things actually the whole thing we what we have found that our science fiction has a very rich heritage but there was very little written history about Bengali or Indian science fiction that i could very very little when i was doing my research there was hardly any article except bodhisattva there was debjanish and gupta i guess john clute the guy who even that debjanish one article that uh charl babu's friend yes yes yes yes that was that was very erroneous lots of errors full of full of errors are there no i completely agree that i read those two research papers and stuff like that and then there it was said that uh you know uh jagadanandurai had written shukram on in 1857 i was like yes why god he didn't he's actually written as you know uh science fiction story about voyage to venus or voyage in venus in the year of the first world you know war of independence but then you know turned out he was born only in the 1860s so you know like you know he was conceived he's written on science fiction story i mean it doesn't get more science fictional than that yes yes too much of science fiction yes and i guess if uh there was call permission my research would have been very easier because most of the text or in Bengali and lack of you know whether the bibliography citation they are correct or something like that and i was like you know the kuntal intel i need the kuntal intel on my hair and then i remembered uh shonku he's almost bald maybe he was suffering from lack of you know fund or something like lack of research or something like that so no professor shonku actually has invented some hair oil which regrows hair yes no but he he was a bald guy man yeah he was a bald guy i don't know who he used it on or whatever he's got like 100 inventions yes and the inventions are very eco friendly so i had this curiosity and i read one of his one of my friend's blog or something like that so the indian scientist my elder brother is a researcher from pure science unlike me i'm a literature person so the main problem in india is the research fund and then the government grants and all those things and he used to great get grant and everything and he was like a true indian means he was a rich kid of course his father was a doctor of gritty means bhar or something like that but he used to go to europe only when he would get the you know fund or something like that that was typical indian mentality of the professors u gc's reimbursement will be out otherwise it won't be out so that was very realistic of satyajit right to portray shonko in that light or something like that so yes and one of the good thing of shonko is that uh you come across ghanasham dash or not bold to chakro and there's another hero something like that shonko is something he's above caste so indian hindu society is a caste is or something like that so he's above caste three locations shonko you can't come across some name and three locations means brahma, vishnu, maheshwar he's above everything he's above the god and he's the trinity and everything so satyajit was very clear with his nomenclature and yeah sage mode activity that's it he was almost a sage never yeah so he was he never used to drink he never used to smoke unlike peluda one of his heroes unlike professor challenger and there was hardly any you know female characters or something like that with due reference with due respect to all the females or something like that so he was like a you know he was a sage he used to use the sage yeah he's the old mom he's the old mom basically he's the old mom at the 715 mark i mean we wanted to talk a bit about also the whole re alien saga which is fast so i guess so it wrote this beautiful uh science fiction story apart from shonko he wrote many science fiction story one is bonkubabu and friend of bonkubabu and prior to bonkubabu if you see all the you know the mars attack and all those themes aliens are very hostile they are coming up like this land belongs to us bazooka and they fire the bazooka and they end up and every city demolishes or something like that here he comes up with an alien who is very friendly he's like you know the koi milga guy jadu so yeah so this bonkubabu bondu was later developed into a script known as the alien and the alien was later was supposed to be adapted in hollywood i guess everyone knows the story and i don't know what i mean he himself has written the first world and the third world yeah i don't know what i mean i mean michaelson michaelson michaelson basically gave him a raw deal you know he copyrighted it in his own name right and then the whole you know peter cellars as we say gave kai uh you know i left him very sort of bitter and you know um and then as he himself says you know the memeograph copies were floating around hollywood and it reached the hand of a certain mister steven spielberg who made alien and then uh this the story goes that because it was artisty clark yeah so rey and clark had met in uh london and then it was clark would actually told michaelson about uh satyajit rey writing this story and then michaelson invited himself to rey's home and all of that he sort of felt responsible and uh you know uh he actually called he's supposed to have called up satyajit rey saying hey this has happened you know why don't you do something and satyajit rey replies you know we artists have better things to do i moved on moved on so that's it so my favorite part of that story is where satyajit rey gets the letter saying uh you know ravana you keep seetha yeah yeah no that's because no that that's much later after michaelson became one swami and all of that and he's like you know dear ravana keeps seetha i mean it's fun even the whole mcgon gliss i've put the saga in the uh the chat and you know you can just read out about it now coming to the when we talk about that uh satyajit rey's claim that uh we should also mention that uh sine club uh science fiction sine club uh i don't know whether you have heard about it uh because uh it was also uh one of the uh uh that product brainchild of uh abdish vatman satyajit rey and premendra mitra they started a science fiction sine club in 1960s in calcata again it was a phenomenal imagine 1960s sine club so they they were ahead of actually used to uh go uh write letters to different uh embassy and ask them to send sine uh their science fiction movies to uh send in calcata and abdish vatman used to go and uh post those uh those uh responses and then they get that uh the scans of movies science fiction movies those are coming from through the uh different channels and they start showing those in some some of those uh cinemas in calcata and it went on like uh two or three years at that time i think it's from 64 or 65 to three years and people are actually very very interested in science fiction sine club like all those we have some uh photos we actually recovered again recovered some photos of that time and all uh that times called calcata's who's who all of them are present in those movies sessions and satyajit rey was the one who actually started saying like yeah now sound music and the movie starts those kind of thing happened and basically they just come from the past to the present i mean of course there's kalpabhiswar that we all know about uh then uh what's the current uh current contemporary landscape right uh you know who the who the authors we need to look out for uh who are the the magazines are there any translations available uh and and what does it look for you know going ahead uh deep if you can just uh yeah actually in uh 2015 we started kalpabhiswar uh before that uh there was not much happening uh last science fiction magazine was uh fantastic by adish bhajdan and and it died like in 90s still some issues went on uh keep they keep republishing some old issues till 2000 and then everything died up like in Bengali science fiction almost died down at that time because nobody was actually writing anything or publishing anything only science fiction was published in some uh Bengali children periodicals and those things are not really something new or contemporary or anything those are like rehashed version of 70s or 80s stories only two or three people i i i would say that keep writing science fiction that time one is um maybe it's oh we can write choudhury and second one is uh anis dev anis dev was one of the disciples men disciples of adish bhajdan here's a uh he has a very very influential writer in Bengali right now and he wrote lots of science fiction and mostly uh generate fictions so those two guys uh keep writing science fiction only and in 2015 actually what we found that uh there is nothing else uh there is nothing much to read uh like if i want to read uh science fiction in english i have so much choice but in Bengali i i can't find that anyone is writing science fiction i can't find anyone is reading science fiction good science fiction mature science fiction so we thought about doing some new magazine and some of us actually told us that okay make a web magazine because nobody is going to read a science fiction magazine or circulate a science fiction magazine it's a two laborious job to publish a science fiction printed magazine and then circulate it throughout the market so why not make a web magazine it's it will be much easier and we can actually find some time to write and read good science fiction instead of uh going out selling magazine so we start call publisher and our aim was to write contemporary matured science fiction not children's tale that was what we actually decided from the beginning we are not going to write uh children's science fiction because that was what uh people are reading and writing for the last few decades in Bengal so we need to move out from there and we need to save the to other people that you have to write something which is matured which is contemporary so we actually started using some uh theme for every issue and we gave out that theme and we had we said to all the writers that you have to write on that theme that's a contemporary theme you have to write on each so it was kind of a like very strict in our editorial when we are we're keeping it very strict so it was a scientific approach in creating science fiction yeah because otherwise people doesn't take science fiction much seriously so we use lots of there is I guess Frankenstein 100 there is this collection I guess which is which is why I said you know that that whole over analysis you know oh there are different kinds of science fiction there is science based science fiction there is science dependent fiction then there is rahasia and big yaan it's one more kind you know like we you guys have over analyzed it too you know just want to say we are killing the fun are we are we killing the fun by over analyzing this analysis as its own place part of the fun it's part of the fun right sometimes it's fun to just analyze that