 Okay, welcome everyone. Welcome for this afternoon. I think we will have a grand opportunity to go into our minds in a very wonderful deep way and hopefully demystify spirituality simplify spirituality and and make things more obvious and more simple Which is really a good prayer at the heart. We're always asking God or spirit just show me reveal it to me make it obvious help me have an experience and I just like to welcome everyone and start off by saying I was doing a schedule this morning and and what came through was in a world of concepts. We have a whole cause of concepts that forgiveness is a concept as well and we most of us have learned that concept somewhere along the way and I would say we have to kind of clear our mind of all of our false ideas of forgiveness and come to a true experience of What means and what it feels like Welcome. No problem. I think we'll have people filtering in so we make the chairs So I would say in my experience and in our experience forgiveness is a very helpful and useful and functional concept but you have to embrace it completely for it to be effective to the extent that we make exceptions or we try to mix it with other things of the world I want forgiveness and peace but I want this instead I want my girlfriend a boyfriend to call me or I want I want this form to look a certain way in my life or Appearance to be something then we interfere with forgiveness and really forgiveness is what Is the purpose underneath all of these images in time and space Kind of covered over by all of these images and Not so much by the images themselves, but by making the images important by turning the images into idols Or something that we value more than peace of mind more than happiness then It obscures us from the experience of peace so Francis and I have come We flew up from Spain We brought a little bit of the spain weather up here To england for these last couple days We've been sweating a little bit Very nice lots of sunshine and It's beautiful that we have this cozy atmosphere and cozy opportunity to To go into some of these deep experiences that That are so precious and yet sometimes so covered over in awareness So look at those We thought let them too for today and trust really going into trust in a deep way what is trust and And ways to experience trust and some experiences from our lives So we want to Share a little bit too Sure Yeah, I think this you know when we talk about trust this this life that we live we seem to live Is a work of trust, you know, we make decisions on a daily basis And it is who we're making decisions with from a moment to moment basis and Just before this trip. We were we had a very brief trip in Ireland It was quite spontaneous trip in Ireland And then we have a few days before we come over here And we have an invitation to portugal And I thought I I was really inspired to to rest So if we go to portugal in between then that means another return flight And the immediate turnaround after Ireland and immediate turnaround to come here. It's like there's no No gap in between no rest, but it turned out to be the most restful trip For us just to by following The spirit, you know, the rest is actually in the mind And the body doesn't really feel exhaustion or anything But that you know in in itself is just consistently the spirit wants to convince us through You know every day life that you can trust you can trust me you don't have to bring the past judgment of what's going to bring You exhaust exhaustion or tightness What is what what is the best for you because when the mind is so confused of Who it is it doesn't know what is the best It doesn't really know what anything is for So, you know all that we can devote our life our time our energy to Is actually to Be reminded by the spirit Step by step To remember who we are and it is through following following him because I Heard yesterday actually in the recording said Jesus said he is the way You know when he says he is the way The christ mind is the way it's the way back What what does that mean the christ mind is the way It's in the decision making in the choosing of The mind that we think with That is the way back home So it is really like a life That we live when we give over our decision making To the christ mind You know seemingly we're still living our life Playing with form symbols and we're doing different things but the experience is completely different The experience is completely different Because the experience is experience of Open up Because you choose not to protect or plan or defend A self that doesn't exist you started to give over the mind to the christ mind to open up Open up to see the connectedness of everything so it's quite a miraculous life When we started to commit in this way And i've been thinking a lot like we talk in our recent talks we We talked quite a bit about commitment You know commitment to the spirit It's either a hundred percent or not at all Because we are either committing to give our mind to the spirit Or to the ego It's very very You know it's one or the other So Yeah, just even just the recent trips that David and I We were We I came here to europe actually since may as I came here in may and We um We started off a new center in spain David came end of july and we started to to travel um in europe but just The flow when we tapped into this flow the miracles is just so beautiful, you know, we went to ireland and um I completely it didn't even come to my mind to check in ahead of time So we arrived at the airport and Normally, you know, you don't check in there's a long queue of People waiting for checking in so when we arrived there at the airport, I realized okay I forgot to check check us in I didn't receive any prompt to just slip my mind And then there was empty Nobody no queue and a few staff waiting to see who was coming to check in So when we were when we arrived and we approaching the desk, they were fighting Come to my come to my desk I'm not coming to my desk. So it's like, okay, we go to separate desks And we went to the separate desk and they were like, okay, let's see who is faster It was so playful the whole scene was like let's see who is faster and three Checking that luggage if you need we were like, no, we don't need we have very very small carry-ons And then they put us in this front row because normally when I check in I I select a seat for David to have like more leg room I forgot and that they gave us this Row number one, which was Really really spacious Then on the way back, I remember to check in and I realized the first row is and you have to pay to do to sit in in that row. So it's like You know, when we live in this world, the The forms seem to reflect back All these miracles but the miracles are not really The form is actually the state This attitude that when we just flow with the spirit and choose spirit moment to moment It's just very very wonderful So I guess just it is our inspiration To live in this way and to share How easy and how beautiful This pathway is No, because I I hear a lot of people talk about this pathway being radical or difficult I think no actually when we sit with Our normal way of looking at this world from the ego perspective is very very hard Very hard way of living because we sit with Something that we know deep down. It's not real. It's not true And we choose not to Look at them directly So that, you know, it's actually very hard way of living that's in my experience So, yeah, it just feels Very grateful to actually be able to come here and share our joy and share our experience with you all And I want to say that please feel free to raise questions And interrupt us whenever you feel because we just want to make it very interactive And we want to share our examples And our life experiences So do not hesitate to To with your head with your hands High pitched noise. So what it would be practical to do is everybody here okay, because we do have Sweet cars and it's hot. So we open the windows, but we probably can turn the sound system up if you could help Okay, very good. That's can we do that? I actually don't know whether I can because it's locked in that room Oh, it's upstairs But I can close the door Maybe Yeah, we've got some of the windows over there, but maybe we can close the door to the very front I may check the speakers That's true. I just saw the woman who's helping us walk by too. So she may be able to turn Turn the sound up. It's something up there We're just discovering all these things So we will do our best to get the sound Turned up just a little bit Well, I'm sure we'll get Yeah, looks like she had a key She's gonna do it for us. She will Very good So for me when we talk about God or spirit or any of these terms source and so forth I really believe that that authentic spirituality has to be Practical to be effective So I think the reason Even over here in europe that That god or spirituality everything can sometimes get a bad A bad name because of centuries of misuse Of some of these words god spirit So on and so forth if you take something And you misuse it then people will Close down they'll shut down their ears almost closed I've heard different people who talked about evolution. They say eventually human beings will develop ear flaps so instead of just Not listening that flap will come right over And it'll be pretty obvious. Oh, you really don't want to hear what I'm saying. That's right. The flap is on It'd never be very obvious. You don't have to pretend to be polite When the flaps come on then that means no but but The ego we could say or the error of This world has has guarded against the discovery of love and so even though we may Sing along with the Beatles saying all you need is love and I found that in lots of different countries They know the lyrics all you need is love in any language Welcome. Hi there come on in We're here to be extremely straightforward and practical and so if we start to discuss some ideas And we say the ideas, but it doesn't you don't relate to it in a strong way or whatever then That's what Francis was saying feel free to say wait. Stop right there. Can you give me an example? Or a couple examples of that or can you show me a metaphor or something that will help with the clarity of that because We don't want to keep spirituality in the realm of ideas and theory and theology Which is what a lot of religion is. There's a lot of theology But we want to bring it right down into the here and now into a practical experience of connection To me, that's what spirituality is about. It's a feeling. It's an experience of connection And that's what we're going for is to go into that experience together of that connection Not some kind of theological agreement um I just saw a nice clip on youtube of Of a man named heart link letter interviewing children interviewing children from the 1950s on onward to the 1970s and 80s and if you would ask them questions about god They talk about adam and eve and a lot of things that they were taught from the bible but the children came up with very funny answers because Even the children realized at some level that they have to understand something or it has to be practical And if they don't understand it, then they just Will make up something that is a little more understandable They they asked one girl where did um Adam and eve come from and uh and so The little girl said well eve came from a rare rib And uh heart link letter said what what what was that first word? He said rare She said a rare rib They come up with the funniest things because in her own mind, you know, it's got to be some kind of Important thing That's just from the rib from a rare room. She says and it went on and on and and uh adam Disobeyed god and eve disobeyed god. And so god punished The little boy said god punished adam and eve and so our link letter said how Well, he said well He made adam read the bible That was the punishment I made adam read the bible and then the boy said and Oh, and he made him write the bible This is a long book And so our linkers think well, he said what about eve? How did he punish eve? He made her into a housewife You see the children will fill in the story To make it meaningful in some way that They can comprehend it and that's kind of what happens with human beings. We we use concepts we use ways to Kind of use concepts to try to figure out and understand things even though these concepts may have nothing to do with the truth Feel free to use any paradigm that you like if you want to use science Then let's use science to talk about this today. We don't have to Be limited to religion or limited to philosophy Science is a great way also to approach this experience We know we have isaac newton the scientific method And the empirical way of deducing and learning from the world and then we have quantum physics Which is basically saying that Uh consciousness is the ground of all being that that we have a connectedness That they call the quantum field Which is just another way of talking about forgiveness that unified awareness Jesus and a lot of prophets and saints have talked about So we we aren't really limited at all by symmetry. We can we can use whatever we can use poetry We use roomy. We use some of the transcendentalist poets. There are many Ways we we won't let language stop us from coming into an experience In fact, we might even say that in our joining this afternoon. There's there's Nothing that's off limits. So you can use anything that you want art metaphors nature metaphors It just goes on and on And yet we we aren't here to just Use the words. We're here to have an experience of our connectedness. That's really what it's all about There aren't pathways to god that that don't use words Very traditional meditation Is an example of one where you just sink deep inward beneath the thoughts beneath the words And come into a direct experience of source or spirit or that connectedness that we know we're here in forest road and we've learned from our hosts that forest row is is kind of known for being very open-minded And that's very symbolic too that we're having our gathering Uh, we have a place in the united states that's kind of known for that. It's called berkeley out in california open-minded free thinking open discussions everything is welcome A trust that there's a an experience underneath the words that we can all drop into Where we're totally connected There's no separation at all And for us it's we just enjoy the experience of it. It's sometimes it's like being in a feather that's On the wind and just enjoying the ride wherever the wind blows the feather like a forest scum Forest scum the opening scene Is the camera following a feather? I think that's one of the most spectacular openings to the movie because it sets the tone of the whole movie. That's forest You know, he's He goes with the flow. He's lulus the feather is not trying to direct The the wind the feather is not trying to direct the direction of the wind. It's just being carried by And that's the kind of thing we want to convey is Is when you get surrendered in your life surrendered away from opinions surrendered away from agendas Surrendered away from control trying to control the world control the series of events Letting go trying to control people just imagine how Serene and tranquil That would be if you could just let go of of controlling people And I mean all people for many people it's like well, yeah, I don't I'm not trying to control the world Well, you may apply that to most of the seven billion people, but then there's a few that are kind of close the partner Expectations get laid on the partner Is it oh, I picked you No pressure, but out of seven billion You're the one that I've picked So we're going to bring in some expectations You see how subtle it is, but that's the human condition putting expectations on the partner on the children on the parents on the immediate family You may even start to put some expectations on your neighbors because there's a fence or there's a boundary And neighbors start doing things that encroach upon a yard digging Moving things around and whatever We're back to the war on roses. You know, it's it can turn ugly very quick so That's why we talk about trust because it takes great trust and A higher power and a spirit and an intuition and call it whatever you want to call it. It takes a higher Trust in order to be like the feather That just floats with the wind in the state of ease And the practical way that you can tell how connected you are to this presence or source is Is the ease by which you experience the world If everything just seems to be at a rhythm if everything just drops into place and falls into place easily If you're gliding I like that word gliding through the world Then you know that you are connected Because it's there's ease and divine ease to it Even in the movie the matrix some of you know the matrix when neo Is first giving his instruction From morpheus they go into a training program where they're walking down the street I always love to watch that scene from the matrix because Morpheus is moving very easily. He's talking and moving He's going against a big crowded people and he's gliding alone and neo is getting swatted like fly And bumps from every other person a bump here a bump there And then the scene ends when neo isn't even looking at morpheus anymore. He's looking at the woman in the red dress Were you listening to me or were you looking at the woman in the red dress and then he freezes it because obviously He's looking at the woman in the red dress That's a temptation To not be present It's a temptation to not be in the flow is to look at something and make something of the world important So your attention gets drawn on the object and away from that beautiful Might say subjective flow That is very very natural Oh welcome. We have another guest coming joining us. Hello Join us whenever you come in and So that's that gives us something that's very practical to work with In terms of how does this work? You might say Uh, some people use the word prayer If you live a very prayerful life or if you talk about more in terms of buddhist terms Zen terms it would be mindfulness if you're in a mindfulness attitude or you're in a prayerful state of mind the christian mystic might say That when your prayer becomes unified if you really Give yourself permission to pray for peace to really focus on your peace of mind And focus on your attitude in your state of mind. You say no, I'm worth it I'm my peace of mind is worth I'm not going to get sucked into the future thoughts and the past regrets The worry thoughts of the future The concerns about how I make a living How will I survive? What will I spend my life doing? If you actually say no, no, I'm actually more interested in being peaceful And calm and tranquil than I am about anything else To me, that's a devotion to spirit or devotion to god. You can use any name that you want You don't even have to use religious terms. You could say, oh, I'm into focus or I'm into concentration For some people that's good. You don't want to hear about god Concentration don't tell me more How to concentrate How to be Focused how to be in alignment How to be congruent, you know, you can use so many words It's so beautiful. We can use any words we want But how can I be in that alignment and flow? And Ultimately, too, maybe we can give you a context that the more that you give yourself over to just that simple peace and that peace of mind that I would say that your attention your focus and your your valuing of The things of this world will seem to go down. The more connected you are The more content you are Welcome my dear And the more content you are the less ambitious you are I mean if you're content Why would you have ambition? you know This can be the biggest difficulty for those that go on the authentic journey because we've been programmed and conditioned to be very ambitious We've been taught we've been believing we've been conditioned to be ambitious And There have been many great teachers that have warned us about this conditioning. I believe it was Gandhi there's there's been others that that have said That they they have let go or renounce the idea of Of ambition There was an early course in miracles teacher who's passed on named Tara Singh Some of you might have heard of Tara Singh, but he was a Sikh From India who studied of course the miracles And he said the statement one time If I am ambitious Then I will be ruthless He made the connection between ambition and ruthlessness And for most of us that's not too big of a stretch. We can see that ambition and greed are cousins And greed and ruthlessness Are quite connected as well And so that's an example of how if you follow the spirit you will be guided away from A lot of the typical conditionings of this world Jesus said I'm calling you out of the world. I'm saying We'll look at this in a practical way not that he's saying I want you to go live in a cave or I want you to go off to live in isolation But he is saying I want to take you away from judgment and ego thinking Into an inner kingdom of peace and serenity So once you start to realize that this is the direction of your calling Back home or back to the heart then it's helpful to have this context because the ego will try to protest All along the way like don't get too spiritual Don't get too weird Don't get too crazy But peace of mind isn't crazy or weird It's actually natural And when you're called into the natural the ego will protest because the ego is unnatural It's the idea of edging God out who's that acronym it's uh It's the idea of separation of division It's it's the idea of death Sometimes people ask me what is the ego? It's a death wish And it's not something you would want to invest in even though that's what the whole programming of the world is is invest in Pride and separation and distinguishing yourself from the others In superiority and being better than others in my experience What the world is conditioning is about i've seen is is actually utter nonsense and As far as I kind of went into it which included like 10 years of university and pursuing degrees and status and recognition and all those things My eyes were opened up at some point Where it was like no that's not the direction We have to reverse that all that accumulating and achieving and building and and learning and and All that has been not in a helpful direction. We have to go the other way And with a sense of humbleness not with a sense of griping and complaining Oh, I wasted 10 years in the universe. No, no, I didn't waste anything you should be grateful for the insight that we're going Calm peaceful direction now instead of Overlearning impossible. We're going to unlearn everything so And the other thing I think we can do in in our practicalities today is let's use some practical examples Let's use some life experiences. Let's talk about those kind of things I've always said with Francis if you had a dictionary or Perhaps a psorias that you could go look up spiritual awakening They could almost put a picture next to it, you know, like sometimes in Dictionaries or psorias different things they will put photographs to kind of give you examples Or if you're looking at something and they give you an image of the object Well, why do I say it with Francis is because Francis's life journey is just a reflection of all of our life's journey in the sense that when you When you hear an inner call when you Get connected with your intuition with your inner Power your guidance Then simply the next step will be listen and follow That's the only purpose of inner wisdom and inner guidance is to guide and direct the mind to Unwind from the ego to unlearn The ego to release the error And to accept the truth. It's really quite direct and simple And with Francis she can share some of her experiences, but there was a There was a great experiential boost of of love and light from going from Encountering her pathway a course in miracles to Teaching the course intellectually which a lot of us are familiar with that some of you are familiar with course groups And study groups, you know, we have a course group right here, right? You have a couple of people A few people from the course group Very helpful symbol when you're reading a book. It's so deep to have A group of people reading reading through it discussing Talking about and everything and Francis actually was in Sydney, Australia We have Roger and Sandy. That's where we met you in in Australia Uh starting off with anybody here these meet-up groups. They have meet-up groups now She started a course in miracles meet-up group in a big town city, Sydney And I think at one point there was like a hundred and Hundred and sixty hundred fifty members or something, you know, it's quite large not that everybody was attending We know how that goes course groups, you know Maybe here and there a handful here and there, but and then going from teaching the course conceptually like teaching the concepts and the ideas of the course to actually Moving into a very powerful experience like your heart exploding with joy With like a huge likeness like oh my god This is spectacular to oh, this is my life's calling and then After it becomes a life's calling then the spirit then spirits shifts into gear like okay now we go When the devotion's there when you're really ready to listen and follow then things move quickly ego attachments start to fall away rapidly old patterns that had been looping for Many years or we might say many lifetimes Start to just fall away just drop As you go into this joy as the joy takes hold of your heart and you go Beam me up scotty. Let's go. Let's go into gear here then things can go much more rapidly and And things that the world might say are very cherished Start to drop Some of you saw the movie Titanic with Kate Winslet Leonardo DiCaprio You know what happens with the the old lady at the end with the the jewel of the ocean this giant diamond That the whole movie was really about that's a giant diamond Of enormous value in the world is kind of representing the world's values She goes over to the edge of the boat. Oops Out goes the diamond sinking down into the ocean. She's quite pleased to let it go That's the way your life will go the things that you seem to pursue and think were so helpful and valuable in this world Are like the heart of the ocean You can whoops There it goes. It's gone and maybe you've spent lifetimes Pursuing something and you're so happy to let it drop off drop into the ocean Sink back into the deep without without a concern She didn't dive in so ladies try to get it. She was quite thrilled to let the huge diamond drop To me, that's what authentic spirituality is about. You have a change of heart a change of mind from the valuing share a little Actually, it's Roger and Sandy here that really put me You know in touch with you in a way because I had I had this group that I had a lot of people Online that the group members and David came to Sydney And Sandra and Roger were organizing the event and they want to they want me to put something up on on the website to inform all my Members and I said well, I need to check them out first before Before I advertise or promote anything So I need to go because you know, I heard about David for for a while To that point, but I always had some kind of resistance You know, I feel quite contained and it's self-study course. I don't need a teacher and so Because of them and I said, okay, I have I have to check this one out and I went just two hours Two hours gathering actually one night And I was completely blown away like experientially Then one thing lead to the next I sign up for a longer retreat And everything opened up this wonderful amazing connection That I felt in my heart just gave me this Courage to actually take one leap out of the next and it's actually quite an experiential pathway from that point on even till now I have to say because Before that I would say I didn't even know what it actually meant to You know to study It was a very conceptual and it was very intellectual and I love the ideas even though The book really touch touched my heart But that was pretty much it when I started to let go of seemingly really these Things that I value and I actually spent my life to build up my career my Relationship and my savings everything that was built up in a way to protect Protect a life or protect a body In case You know I have to sustain for myself because I I need to support myself, you know underneath at all is this one belief that I'm not safe and I need to sustain myself Including diet didn't you devil in like raw foods and oh, yeah, so it was Relationship your husband houses career Getting your own business raw and food and diet diet, you know the typical things that are meant to Become safety mechanisms for for the body Yeah, drink the better water the better foods and as well as all the other things that take an enormous amount of effort Yeah, at the point it was kind of clear to me The way that I took on this diet Probably informed, you know, I don't know but in the purpose I knew clearly the purpose was not To follow the Holy Spirit the purpose was to take care of this body. It was so clear to me You know, so when I look at it, I thought you know is either I go with the spirit or I Go with the body, you know, it's the purpose underneath everything It's really not the form is right or wrong in any way So when I saw that so clearly I couldn't do it anymore. I said I have to drop Where the whole thing is coming from So it was the same for my life my business my you know, saving Accumulation my ownership everything was dropped quite quickly And I have to say there is not a single day passed That I don't feel immense gratitude for what had happened Those steps that I took there was absolutely no regret and not no regret was Just feel my heart with gratitude that I actually was guided To be able to do that because the benefit that I am experiencing in my mind is valuable Before I took the steps The fear was immense the fear Of losing the fear of even having things and yet not going to be enough is immense But that's really where the ego has power over us is is when We still perceive we're having You know something to To protect us in this world because I read another article actually they say That's probably not the best metaphor, but they say they They the way to threaten someone because they use this kind of research in Probably in the CIA or in those kind of extreme ways. They know is to The The point when when you threat someone Is before you actually take the action Once you take action, there's no fear anymore that you know You you threat them to die and they will be afraid that once you Or you threaten to torture someone they will be afraid but once you start torturing those Actually no more fear anymore. And I really feel that is the ego like it's scared trying to scare In the mind Before you know before you you think you still can lose something But once I took those steps All of sudden the mind is opened up to a completely new experience Because the fear comes from accumulating and and possessing Because the fear comes from a maintaining Often an identity That is not true So everything that we do everything that I used to do in my life Underneath it is coming from this motive protect Protect something that is not real That's where the fear is really coming from And once I started to follow the spirit to let go Seemingly inform these steps that really what's going on is this mind start to open up To allow itself to have an experience Of what it feels like to not protect and not defend In all ways without exception, you know, it's not just in an argument. I choose not to defend myself It's actually a lot of other ways in life that I choose not to defend and protect And the experience that that comes with it That is the most convincing thing that we can give ourselves. There's no amount of talks Or concepts that can convince the mind What is truly The safety where the the piece truly buys, you know and yet After I took all these steps that was given actually was very guided by the spirit. So Then You know continuously this life is still a very Vigilant listen and follow every moment is a decision of Here listening to the spirit and following listening and following And it becomes just like the feather it becomes easier and easier because the mind is more trusting It's more trust me has less motivation To protect and plan and defend anything It's very very You know, it's convinced To allow the spirit to guide In everything Yeah, I was just really even every day because when we travel all of these little decisions that comes And we're just so joyful because we're Gliding is like gliding through this world with everything Yet, I think in the context for this too is that that everyone who seems to come to this world comes with Persexual identity as being a little Born being a little boy or a little girl having a family or Maybe not maybe you're adopted or maybe you're like Tarzan you You don't have a typical family, but you're adopted by the apes You know, that's Tarzan's self-concept Not mom and dad, but a bunch of apes It's still a concept even to have an ape family It's a concept At some point you do realize that it takes a lot of energy to maintain that story and that concept And people will tell you that about relationships like don't get in a relationship unless you want to work hard Well, that's really great And isn't that enticing Don't get into a relationship unless you want to work hard Or it takes hard work to maintain relationships Because relationships they'll say well It's you better be willing to compromise in a relationship All of those things are part of the false identity Even the compromising is part of the false identity Jesus tells us in the course. He says salvation is no compromise of any time So compromise itself is a is a concept That maintains linear time maintains the body and maintains everything about this world The stars are maintained by that the planets the whole perception of all the galaxies Is maintained by this false idea And then what francis was talking about about Going in another direction is it's pretty early on in the course of miracles where there's three lessons Of the holy spirit don't you like that? I like anything that's really simple You know somebody gives me a book and they say here's the hundred lessons of the holy spirit. I'm like oh god It's not going to be a lot of work You either get 95 done and you're still You're not there three That's okay. I mean three steps back to heaven Yeah, that's all it takes is three steps. So then it's got my attention, you know first one is I think to have Give all to all It's a complete reversal of all of our fear mentality scarcity Protect, you know Hold on to what you've got Have insurance and guard everything you've got no to have give all to all That's a complete reversal of lack a complete reversal of I'll do this for you if you do this for me It's how I want to give all to all and he's really speaking ultimately of what's in your heart. What's in your mind not saying necessarily it's always going to be that way to inform Because there have been those of us in the human condition like Tolstoy The famous russian writer who who gave away all his possessions to the peasants in russia He still felt miserable He said now i'm miserable and poor I was miserable and rich now i'm miserable and poor, you know people have tried this out. They've helped us To start to see that we have to really understand what it means give all to all Have a loving attitude Towards everyone that you meet Give all of your heart give all of your love To everyone to all the animals to the plants to the people Give all to all That's just the first one, but that's a good lesson. You know my gosh if you can if you can get into that one then you're You're a third of the way home And then to have peace teach peace to learn it, you know to We have to become teachers of peace. We teach so many things As parents you may teach things to your children As teachers you're supposed to teach part of your curriculum in school if you're teaching Teaching mathematics or science or reading or Writing you know All those things are teaching concepts, but he's saying no to have peace teach peace to learn Use every opportunity that you have in this world as an opportunity to be peaceful To be peaceful yourself and to be extending that peace When the waitress drops your soup on your lap When the cashier gives you the wrong amount of change When somebody comes in and zooms in front of you to take a parking space that you've got your turn signal on And they zip right in there, you know Oh, it's a half peace teach peace to learn it Oh Good, you may see them racing down to the car park and you wave them in You see the difference between waving them in and waiting them With another gesture There's a big difference So it's to have peace teach peace to learn it and then oh gosh that's all now you're two-thirds of the way home Well, what's the final lesson? What's the final lesson be vigilant you mentioned vigilance be vigilant only for god and his kingdom Be vigilant for that peace that happiness and joy don't let your mind wander into exceptions Where you say, uh That's just unacceptable What if we're children of god, why should we ever say anything is unacceptable? Why not us go into a state of perfect acceptance? Why don't we let everything be equally acceptable without exception? We'll say that's pretty radical. You mean like the nuclear holocaust is acceptable as taking a walk on a sunny day Yes, why not if we're created by a perfect being why can't we make everything equally acceptable? Because it's only through the ego or the body's lens so to speak the the five senses that we get into fear You know, that's the part that we lose our essence we lose our awareness of ourselves We have to in that lesson be vigilant only for god and his kingdom. He actually tells us. What's the point? What are we going for with vigilance and he's saying well, you're just going for a final realization And i'll tell you what the realization is so he lets us know what it is What you have is what you are That's the whole point What you have Is what you are That's the whole point of of this whole experience on earth is to just come to one experience What you have is what you are Not what you have is what you possess But what you have is what you are That having and being are synonymous Having means the same thing as being That's the complete reversal of everything that this world was meant to teach I have a wife. You know What you have is what you are I have a husband. No, I have a bank account. I have a house. No Have a car. No I have a foot a shoe a saddle. No, no I have a leg. No Anything that you think you have in this world In terms of an object Is a block to the awareness of this simple Idea that what I have is what I am Some of you remember the cartoon puppy I am what I am and that's all that I am These are great wisdom And what's the step, you know, you first have to Open up to the idea that you're dreaming a world, you know Row row row your boat gently down the stream Merrily merrily merrily merrily life is by the dream. Oh my gosh, we should have paid attention And we were children because it was the spirit the holy spirit in us coming to tell us Here's the way don't take anything too seriously row your boat merrily because it's a dream And because you are destined to wake up from the dream And more than that you're destined to have a happy dream before you wake up Well that sounds Very enticing it sounds like something that's very practical Learn not to judge learn to trust Let make your decisions with your intuition with the spirit Have a happy dream Make sure it's really totally happy And then you can wake up from it. There's no need for a dream When you have a happy dream nightmares have gone Dark dreams have gone When the dreams become happy then you know that you're just to the point of Of getting your final lesson that what I am is what I am And that's why buddha Empty your mind of everything you think and everything you think you are He was saying let go of the false identifications That relate to this world And come into a still tranquil mind Which is beyond this world That's what jesus is teaching as well They're really teaching the same thing Whereas buddha might call it the void go into the void jesus say yes go into the void and come through the void To the kingdom of heaven To full joy to full Happiness to the fullness of spirit. That's what this journey is really about. It's more of a recognition too. It's not like a real journey So In francis's life if we use that as a parable again There was a there was a real strong sense of joy a real strong sense of fulfillment that that just Asked you to let go to surrender the things that had been made To be the self-concept So that included a husband a career A house or two My country country Diet You could go on some of you might have an exercise routine or you'd whatever, you know, you can see anything that's there That's part of maintaining a bodily identity Is what the spirit has to rinse away because that attachment that affiliation Is going to be a block to the spiritual recognition To a spiritual remember the memory is still there the memory of love Is still in mind, but it's just covered over by a lot of false concepts and pursuits So In that sense This is a very straightforward Pathway in fact francis was saying it's you said it's really an experimental pathway We need experiences to show us that we're on the right track You know if we took steps and we didn't feel any lightness lightheartedness or Burst of joy and happiness then We might even have more suspicion Okay That's that And No, we need it's like you said it's been an experiential journey and that's kind of to say that's the way it went for me too I needed Experiences to replace the past condition I needed some bright experiences that would lead me on So we say good good good very good now come take another step Keep coming keep coming By the day I was just thinking that you know because I was traveling with David and Maybe on the airplane where we're meditating and I was just turning to To you and I thought I'm so glad that you're an example that it's just not a play of concepts with this path and you're actually embodiment of Love and you know love because they just feel I don't know it feels like that's what I I see on a daily basis Is this really eating love after We undo the ego, you know that is a walking demonstration of What this path is about it's really not about being right and being Very sophisticated about metaphysics and a grasp of what the reality is about in Words or in concepts is this embodiment of love and walking Love Because that is You know in the end it is what this is going to lead to it's inevitable You know, it's inevitable when we keep following The holy spirit and keep allowing our mind to be surrendered in our everyday decisions Not in the future Actually, it's in and out This becomes an inevitable experience. It's so Joyful and it's so happy No, we can say what is everything for Is to fall in love and that is becomes a daily experience Keep falling in love again and again. Then there is no falling in No falling in anymore if you just be in that You know carry it and read it with you. That is the kind of The the goal that the spirit want to give us in experience And yet on the pathway You know, I do remember, you know, most of the time especially at the beginning years When I started to really open up to Let go of this heavy defense mechanism that I don't I didn't even think there were defense mechanism. They were just my life In the normal life, you know There were jobs I have to earn money to maintain a body But when I started let go it feels like there was nothing to hold it to hold on to and Then I was guided to actually practice even more openness to Open my mind up to share everything in my mind share Not just seemingly possessions, but sharing my thoughts sharing my feelings openly without hiding protecting compartmentalizing share one thing with one person other thing with other person is like complete transparency and that feels like I don't know And you know great it just like feel like that the spirit is always okay. I think you're ready for this I'm like the floor just open up again once again, and then consistently That's the kind of experience for quite a while of the floor Under me just opened up, you know, and yet more and more it becomes Something that I actually started to to feel okay with and enjoying because I know somehow it's My mind is expanding in something that is so vast And all the boundaries were letting go or were let go of basically that was how it felt but it's not just about you know Contractions or emotions in the end all these emotions will pass as well when we Give keep giving them permission to come to come to be released all the emotions will pass That is just love that that is that stays You know that it's just so beautiful So convincing Yeah Christina's come from Slovakia And she had sent me an email And she said in the email I've been watching your youtube videos and I'm not Seeing I'm not seeing anybody down in Slovakia that's working with the course of miracles Am I the only course of miracles student in all of Slovakia? And I had a laugh when I got the email because I thought It reminded me you probably heard it on one of my talks that that's what happened to me when I was over in the United States one time and I got Uh It was a man from From belgium emailed me And in the email he said I am the only course of miracles student in belgium And then the next day I got an email from a woman who said I am the only Course student in belgium You see how the Holy Spirit works like sends me two emails From a man and a woman so I wrote to both of them and I said I think you two should meet Because you both think you're the only the only one and you're in the same town Brussels so uh, I think the man brought uh his girlfriend along so there they had had cup of tea the three of them and uh So I waited about a week later. I thought I'll hear about from them. They wrote back to me. They said Hmm, okay. Well, we've met now. We know that there's more than just one course of miracles student in belgium and they said So we have agreed that there's only one question that we want to ask you uh Will you come to us or must we come to you that was The next step will you come to us? So I said well, I'll pray on that and then I I'll come I'll come to belgium so they're very good. So then They said, is there any instructions that you have and I said, well, why don't you just be open To finding course groups in belgium if I'm sure there are course groups in belgium I don't know about slovakia or rock, but I tell So they started going out and finding. Oh my gosh. There's there's many Of course the miracle students in belgium And they went out and they started meeting them and finding them and course groups and da da da They started to get very excited. They said, let's do david's coming. Let's do a gathering And so there was a woman an american woman who was married to a belgium man who had a farm So they said, okay This woman Mandy is an american but we'll use her and her husband's farm They had children and farm animals. Let's let's meet on the farm But by the time I actually got to belgium There was a whole farm full of people people came from seven countries seven different countries So it started off with a one email two email. I am the only Course student in belgium and it turned into a seven country conference We were out there among the pigs and hay and we were in the barn We had a ball we had a blast and I met people there and I went back to belgium Many times But it started off and I'd say if we went around how many countries we have Slovakia, Czech Republic I met both of you in australia. I met you in australia Sweden We went around the room. We've got quite a few different representations here as well here in england just in this gathering and And it for for christina for chris it was a journey to come to england to leave Her country and go Leave the comfort zone of your country Which of course is is part of that self concept and then to go off to england and then You you've hosted her she stayed with you When she came and so that was part of it Couch surfing couchsurfing.com there we go We'll get a plug in for that too You see the spirit Is going to take us out of our seeming comfort zone Which is the familiarity of the past Our past associations that We've had for many years to tell us who we are where we are or what we are and it's going to take us on a journey Which is what francis has been saying too from What seemed to be your life into an experience that We can't even we don't even know what the form will be. That's part of the trust We don't know the form our life will take the ego doesn't like that the ego likes to have everything planned and laid out I've got these goals. It'll turn out this way You know, it's too scary to the ego to not have a form But actually that's that's the way it all moves this direction Christina actually wrote to david after listening to I guess the talk about belgium So she wrote to say I think i'm the only one in Sulakia. I hope you can tell me if there are more and david wrote back. Yes, you are the only one But I hope if there are more We probably can't hear it now. That's what the spirit said that time here. She is now I said, no, you're the only one that I know Sulakia and then it goes on and on and then also You requested a book because I think you watched some of my videos, but you watched a video with kirsten Maybe kirsten and I We did one One of them where we did one together, but kirsten wrote a book. I married a mystic Which was about her early travels and years with me and so Yeah, I hope we'll we'll get that to you and I think we got your address It's the bakia. We're working on that one, but but it's those kind of that's where it starts You know it starts with a with a connection. It starts with a spark It starts with a question Even one question like I'm the only I think I'm the only A core student in belgium led to a seven country conference on farm But all it takes is that little Reaching out. Maybe it's a little bit of a curiosity. Maybe it's just a little I wonder a little wonder question That's that's part of how we got here too. Wasn't there a phone call To you and or some kind of connection where something you saw where you sent a email I said, oh, I'm traveling spontaneous How will I handle that Yeah So that's where this came out from that spontaneous invitation and then that word spontaneity We were talking last night at dinner. There's another word simultaneously Oh, we were saying she was saying simultaneous. Oh Because it's really that's what forgiveness is is taking us into the moment It's it's hard for our conditioned mind to think of all the time space Is really Happening in one moment. Some of you have read even like Seth material jane roberts. They talked about Simultaneity in there, you know, it's a lot of great Scribe and channeled materials that have come through That are kind of reminding us that all sometimes they talk about parallel lifetimes. It's all it's all parallel It's so parallel, but it's all happening at the same time That will take A bit of training and forgiveness to come into an experience and it's all in one instant It's not spread out over millions and millions of years That's what the convincing job experience Convincing us. We had it all wrong This time idea was all mistaken It's all of one But I I mean there's a lot of parallel ideas like I remember growing up and they said, uh How many angels can you fit onto the head of a pin? Those are the kind of questions I would know That's interesting How many events can you fit into one second? What about all of them? That's pretty strong Maybe we can open it up and see whether there are any questions or comments Yeah, we've got a microphone a roving microphone here. We can share One up here I love this new to your story But it's receiving that guidance That was key to your transformation For some of us that guidance isn't that clear And so what do you do? You have all this course of miracle ideas. You know, you're in the dream. You know, you're hanging on to Property money husband, whatever But you're still not into receiving the guidance. And so how do you move forward? so that's That's my first question and my second question is when you are in a situation I shared this movie yesterday Like what's the current now to me in my life is a lot of people owe me a lot of money So I'm trying to sort of fathom. What is that a symbol of? And also, how do I deal with it? And how do I move forward? What is the teaching that I'm supposed to receive? And because I'm not too into guidance as clearly as Francis is I'm in a lot of confusion And I know where my ego wants to go And it would be very easy to do it But I don't want to do that. But I don't know what else to do You know letting it all go is that an answer? So that's it. It's two things When you haven't developed that muscle of receiving guidance so clearly How do you How are you? What being do you take on this well? Or in face situation, what are the good questions? I ask the question. What is the learning that I'm supposed to learn here? I'm not here very clearly yet You want to address that or want me to address it? Maybe I can start. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I think for me Practice learning lesson guidance The you know the course Jesus says in the course that there are many answers you have received but haven't heard so We actually have received All the guidance, but we you know, there is a fear of actually Hearing it and following it. There is a tremendous fear of following it Because by following it not the not the means that we're afraid it will actually The ego is afraid of where it's leading to So it it protects and it put out a lot of resistance and thoughts to say, you know, don't go there Rational thoughts and logic Thoughts so just knowing that there is a fear of hearing and following the guidance And in my experience The clarity increases as I Increase my willingness to follow You know at the beginning the the the fear is high and the resistance is strong Then it's seemingly I'm confused about the guidance of it is all that but as I You know give myself the permission but more wanting to be dedicated To the guidance more and more What happens is the more I follow the clearer I hear that's what happens. So I think You know, it's just There is no need to judge that there is a tremendous fear to hear the guidance. It's just how it is and It's a good question in those situations to say You know If Just I I open my mind up to guidance, you know Let me hear the guidance And you will know whether you have preference in that moment. You you know, I Okay, I want to hear the guidance, but I'm terrified of letting go of A relationship for example or a job I'm terrified. I know that I don't know whether it's a guidance, but I'm terrified of one direction Then it's good to actually to say I really want to hear guidance and I'm terrified of this direction so please You know, give me some steps To work towards to just be very honest with your feelings instead of Using the the overall statement of I don't hear clearly, you know, give me more time I should say this is what I'm afraid of This is the direction I'm afraid of and fear is always You know Stop us from receiving the clarity So if it is truly the the direction when give me some practical steps that I can work toward That make you in a very open space A space that you don't hide and push away and pretend Or shut down to the Holy Spirit So just allow you to be very very open Yeah, and specifically with what you're saying where it seems to be a situation where a lot of people owe you money Or a lot of people owe you money and are not we're put in they're not paying it It's fine if they're they're going to pay the next five minutes and it's not a problem But if it's open like there's not movement I'm not receiving the money that I'm owed then there can be a pressure that builds up like there's a debt It's not being fulfilled And you know, there can be a thought that well, this is an integrity, you know We should keep their word and that's the way things should go people should follow through if they owe something And they say something and they should follow through So the very idea of debt itself, which is underneath it, you know, it's like we can start to say If everything is mine and everything is a reflection of mine And as Jesus says in the Course And everything that seems to happen to me I ask for and receive as I have asked Without exception. So he's basically saying now This is a world of perception. It's a world of ideas and you're always getting a motion picture back of Of the belief system Down to the finest details. There's not any exceptions That like lesson 152 The power of decision is my own He basically says everything not only that happens to you personally But everything that's happened in all of time and space and all of history Is there because you elected that it be there Hitler Nazi Germany Yes, everything everything throughout all of history Is there by a belief it's spared by a decision by an election There are no exceptions. He says You may believe that this is too all encompassing to be the truth But let me assure you that the truth has no exceptions So it's coming again from this glorious state of perfect love. There is no exceptions to it. So What I was talking about earlier with those three lessons of the Holy Spirit to have give all to all To have peace teach peace to learn it and to be vigilant only for God in this kingdom Those are the steps that Once you initiate once you kind of give yourself over to him and say hey I'm going to need a lot of help to reverse The beliefs in my mind And to come into an experience of that much trust I think all three of those Take a lot of trust Every one of them takes a huge amount of trust to kind of move in that direction. Let's be honest It's going to take a lot of trust and for me Maybe I was ready to hear I would say there's there was definitely ready and willing but even ready and willing at the beginning I I read the course for eight hours a day and used it more like an oracle to kind of immerse myself in the thought system of it quite deeply But even then after I started to have this inner stream of thoughts that Was Jesus and I thought thank you my god. This is this is so helpful That was just the beginning. It wasn't that when I finally could hear Jesus that I went hallelujah My my worries are over That was the beginning. It's like Jesus had a lot to tell me That was just To be able to open to hear is a wonderful thing, but then that's just the beginning. There's there's so much Mind training that's required. There's so much unlearning Even the book the title of course miracles is called a course in miracles. It's not called a course in revelation It's not even called a course in ascension It's a course in miracles Why miracles? Well miracles are very convincing and we need lots of them Not a course in miracle Not even called a course of love It's a course in miracles Men oodles and oodles cajillions of miracles Why because the fear is so strong the fear of letting go Of the world the fear of god's love the fear is enormous We need to be convinced and what a better way than to have floods of miracles like consistent miracles I would say that the goal of a course in miracles is to Have your mind become habitually miracle mind eventually Miracle mind Meaning as you float through the day you you have lots of miracles throughout the day Miracles in the morning miracles for lunchtime afternoon miracles late afternoon miracles miracles for supper time evening miracles and miracles when I sleep at night and dream Just pop them in there everywhere miracles even in the nighttime dreams as well as the daytime dreams That's the condensing that it takes So it gets us away from kind of magic wand thinking like okay I click my heels together my ruby slippers. I get my ruby slippers on three clicks. There's no place like home No place like home no place like home I'm ready, you know or we think where is the pixie dust? Like with peter pan or where's the you know, where's this the stardust the sprinkling thing we need We need to be convinced and So for me once I started to Devote to the course and then I started to have jesus talking to me kind of conversationally Which was very very helpful. Then the next thing was okay. Now. Let's get busy. We've got a lot of miracles to Join in to extend we have to extend a lot of miracles the more you extend them the more you'll experience them habitually consistently Just like anything in this world if we learn How to ice skate if we if we don't ice skate for 25 years if we may not really We have to be a little rusty there, but if we're skating for 25 years We'll look like olympic skaters and perhaps, you know, if we practice it that much They practice quite a few hours a day before they get into the olympic Ice skating and ice dancing arena with all the cameras on and they put a lot of hours And they've had a lot of repetition With those skating moves so they make it look so graceful and easy But there's a lot that went into that A lot of times people see me and they go well you just look like you've naturally been happy and Go lucky and joyful your whole life. No. I I was very shy I was very afraid. I was very isolated I was voted most quiet in my senior class in the yearbook and it goes on and on and on Moses they say well, moses god chose moses to deliver the ten commandments Moses actually had a stuttering problem doctor A guy with a stuttering problem to deliver the ten commandments That you gotta love it. I just love those stories where the ones that are chosen You think Are you sure are you sure you know what you're doing? Set the shy The shy guide to god you want me to speak on these ideas around the world? Luckily you didn't say that at the beginning. You were lost lost me right away Oh get out of here but You know the more you even know about a course in miracles all when you meet the publisher and you meet the characters You know people would say If jesus christ is going to send a book into the world to wake people up Who's on his team? It's interesting to me That as I get to know about the characters who would the scribe and the The comforter the teacher of the course the publisher of the course and and the early group of the ones that came together that He didn't pick christians He didn't pick christians He picked jews. He was very traditional like that He had a team of jews to come in there and then he to fund it He you know most people think well, okay get the jews to fund it No, he picked a transgender man from mexico To fund his book Totally, you know, he's he's off the charts with everything. He's he's going to bring this book into fruition using his handpicks characters What a team a transgender man from oh with all the stuff of the gaze and all And this was back in the 60s In the 60s you do is he picked his team handpicked his team to deliver What would work and and I think that he's doing that with us right now He's he's saying if you'll hang with me Trust me that I haven't I make no mistakes in who I'm Choosing it's really not he's not choosing like the chosen people these aren't the chosen ones everyone is called few choose to listen But he knows which ones will listen And he knows which ones which will answer And those are the ones that are that are part of the first generation you might say of Of caring forth this work in this form or the ones that are like willing you are willing To host us here and then the ego came what are you doing? What are you doing? What are you getting yourself into? That's the way all this feel that's the way I felt at the beginning. It's like What am I getting myself into here? How big is this? You know, you take one baby step and before you know it. Oh my god Your life the last 30 years have all been the same thing. It's been this devotion that took over And you know and to me that's that's glorious so So just to be aware that it's a convincing Convincing job that's going on is important Yes Um, I just want to say my experience because I've started to do the book and I love it and like say it's it's home So for the practical side of things which I've had a lot of practical tests right at this moment in time over the past few months I have What has helped me personally with sort of dynamos with money and things like that is that We're all in a program. We're all lost touch with love So therefore to have expectations Of the people outside that owe you money or your parents or your family or your friends Then lost as well and for what I've realized is for me to be able to Love them is to let go of the fact that I expect them to behave decently When they can't In a way because they're still in a pattern of not Seeing the bigger picture Does that make sense? So I'm not saying I'm better or of course if I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that to help me through the um Problematic or the tests that have taken place Is for me to realize that it all boils down to the choices I've made The experiences I choose to Take from that and then how I Move on with that And to have other have expectations You'll always get a disappointment because When people are in the dark still as we all are Until we want to willing and want the willingness and the wanting to come out of that We we to have expectations that behavior is going to be any different. It's not it's just not going to happen So as uh, we had a course evening last night and And the teacher sort of said nothing here works Nothing here works And in in that in that sense once you can get over that It's then opening up to a lighter Experience of love and showing light on things Well, let me take you to truth by Newt Sanchez and Thomas Vera They say there's a bit that says are you sick and tired of being a person who's always the bigger person Are you sick and tired of always making analysis and if you're doing a course of miracles being Bigger and more understanding And she says it's because you like you're probably the same And I like that Not necessarily sane, but you're the saner of the situation Yeah, you move from the ward in the Sanchez complete and then the next time I might be someone else who's Sane of the viewer And I really like that It's like a stepping stone idea And Jesus says that too in the course whoever is the saner of the two Remember your dead in this your gratitude To your brother and that helps you in that moment You know whoever is the saner of the two and I think it does come back to our trust Thing because Facing our fears Things in your life that you build up program society It's saying how you're meant to be what you're meant to have etc etc So when it comes to money It's it's a it's a big It can become an incredibly big heavy burden and charge with fear and You know, I had that yesterday a simple thing Where I wanted to I have no overdraft I had one bank account and I wanted to go in there and and say could I just have a cushion of a hundred pounds? and It's a long story behind this But anyway, the answer was no And because I'd gone one day overdrawn by five pound fifty So it wiped out my three years of good behavior in dirty condos And and I I stood there and the fear That came up about Money security banks how I hate all the system and all this kind of was wonderfully Incredible Because I went and sat in the shop opposite to have a cup of coffee looking at this Halifax Sitting there thinking i'm exceptionally angry. I'm annoyed and I had to moon. I had to go through What this was for? What it was doing to me why and where it was coming from and I recognized it as being a fear it wasn't her fault Wasn't that hot? This is it's so rubbish. It's so rubbish and it was all of what I was doing And it was it was really quite some things that was really nice of a weird experience, but you know very nice And it's it's practical because I would do that too when when fear would come up sometimes you're You associated with something sometimes not On the spiritual journey there'll be times where you'll just start to feel fearful and you'll look around and say I have no reason at all To be fearful right now. There's nothing Threatening me, but I feel fearful. So it's coming from inside. It's coming from We will call it subconscious from the shadow that's pushed out of awareness And and the whole point is to raise the shadow into awareness and So there's many pathways. There's a pathway of introspection, you know, those that are very introspective Are are looking what what are the roots? Of the fear, you know, I would say if you take it all the way down it comes back to this Belief in separation from god and belief in linear time is at the bottom of it all Like an inverted pyramid, but it's so stacked With all these other things where like you mentioned the movie inception. We have so many Seeming levels of dreaming that you forget what you're dreaming You start to take it all as real. That's what happens when we go to a movie theater We don't sit in the movie theater and put down 10 pounds just to say movie movie movie movie. They know we're we're wanting to be engaged. We want to be lost We want to be taken in That's why we pay the 10 pounds. We want to be taken in swept away Taken off to a whole Distracted, you know and but but to actually be attentive Very very attentive. I think is is also part of this because these are very very deeply rooted beliefs money itself Jesus tells us is nothing but But money is such a symbol is such a an exchangeable symbol for so many other things in the world That it takes on exaggerated Proportions I think What kicks in is this spiritual ego who talked about it as well And a spiritual ego doesn't go to court and fight barrels because that's believing in this world But I think they got the guidance because it was actually The guidance for me was to actually fight this out And I do remember and that frightens me so the learning is to face my fear and deal with it But then I get stuck with the spiritual ego that a spiritual person doesn't do that and I do these evidence from your videos that You think yeah, you think enlightenment is not Condruent In in my defense the defenselessness my safety lies Taking that to the full extent without any exceptions So that's not a spiritual ego and the ego Is is into defense and attack Accusations defenses and so forth and that's So Jesus Will never guide the mind to defend or attack in any circumstance in other words He wouldn't put a lesson in there In the bible blessed are the meek You know for they shall inherit the earth. He would never have said if someone smite you on one cheek Turn the other cheek That's those are Amazing teachings. You won't find that in the history of the world. You'll never find A teaching like that you couldn't go back through all the teachings through history If someone smite you on one cheek turn the other cheek Now that's defenselessness if someone has you know as for your your coat off your back Get in your cloak as well. Get in the coat and the cloak As well now we're getting somewhere now We're getting beyond intellectual things and spiritual ego stuff and talks like that because that The ego can hide behind even those phraseologies. It's actually a convincing job to Like a one-time Wayne Dyer was was going through a very long protracted lawsuit And Remember he wrote that about that in one of his books and he was it just got worse and worse and worse and worse So he was finally talking to a good friend of his and Wayne was explaining everything and how many months have gone on and maybe even years and And his friend was saying These people that you're in this lawsuit. I think you should Buy them a bouquet of flowers and Wayne was like What are you talking about? But that's actually what Brought the whole situation to an end In 12 steps, they talked about making amends To those that you believe that you've harmed I found it's the miracle reverses all the laws of time and space and so when when there's a situation where You even think you're being a justly unfairly treated or Unjustly accused or any of those things that's that is the call for love And the miracle comes from a higher place a transcendent place so That I think that's the most important thing and the other thing about it is it's very practical Like in this world as we grow up and we go through I mean I went through Great school high school and 10 years of university. I studied economics supply and demand I I studied everything of this world and then When I started really tuning in with Jesus. He's like now None of that that you've learned will help you at all That's that's been the block Now we will get into a pathway of true generosity Well, I'll teach you what it means to have give all to all I will have to I will have to work through you to be that generous You know, it's going to only come from spirit but but that was also part of the condensing because You know, he started working with me when I had Student loans and debts. I had to practically listen to his guidance To unwind from those not try to come up with ways But to actually follow that step by step for as long as it would take And actually with traveling and doing this, you know, you come in Financial things you get those all along the way Not only financial things, but where do I sleep? How do I eat? You know, those are real basic practical things But that's what convinced me of the miracles. That's what allowed the miracles through And and to me it has to be exceptionally practical But but it will never come from going against A brother or a sister never There will never ever ever be a solution even some of these things from Arjuna and Go out on the battlefield and be the best warrior you can be No, not from Jesus Christ Uh, it will never come from going against. I remember one time Somebody Well Recently I was leading up on Albert Einstein and and everybody Knows about Albert Einstein and they've said it's one of those brilliance And genius minds and the human human history Who was Einstein inspired by? That's kind of a question. I always thought well who who inspires Einstein Gandhi Gandhi the Einstein's quotes on Gandhi said scarcely will people in for generations to come Scarcely will will there be people to believe that such a man walked on earth As Gandhi Now of course if you go to Gandhi And you read his autobiography He hated being called Mahatma Great soul Because he had so many issues going on So he didn't even like the word Mahatma But if you go back to Jesus now, we're talking Now we're talking transcendence, you know, Gandhi always said please don't I'm experimenting with the truth here Go to some of the sages, you know But Gandhi inspired Einstein to be a pacifist But then Einstein lived at the time of Hitler And so his pacifism was Of course, Gandhi lived at the same time, but Gandhi wouldn't budge. He was a pure pacifist He would not budge from the idea of nonviolence. He was going to be nonviolent The rest of his life he was not going to give in to any exceptions. They tried I mean Gandhi got an interview. What about Hitler? He said, well There may be many things that come, you know, but he was still going to stick with it Einstein Went a little bit from pacifism meaning that I think practically speaking we may have to use some force The stop Hitler E equals mc squared and it ends up being a nuclear Nuclear bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki and so on and so forth But what Jesus is teaching is the most pure form of pacifism. He's basically saying if I defend myself I'm attacked And that was a further teaching on if someone smites you on one cheek turn the other cheek so One time they asked Mother Teresa if she would come to attend and support an anti-war rally And her answer was No She would not Come to an anti-war rally. She would come to a pro-peace rally Is that beautiful? It's a beautiful quote from from mother Teresa again coming it around to Where is the motive? What is the motive behind She said if you have a pro-peace rally I will come I can join you in that motive But I can't come to an anti-war rally because What business is the son of god have been anti anything? Antitrust is of her. Why would we want to get an antitrust? in any way, so basically What we're talking about is not just lawyers and legal systems in court, but francis was starting to share that Her identification with a husband her identification With a career or a job her identification with a diet her identification with You know, you could go anything that we feel that we're identified that it's part of our self-concept Is a defense mechanism against the truth? Now that's starting to get more subtle I even watched a recent Beautiful movie. What was it called with Dalai Lama awakening Something awakening something great great awakening or something awakening and Dalai Lama was teaching and they had Fred Ellen Wolf and quantum physicist and thinkers Progressive thinkers in there. It got down to a point Where they were looking at this whole idea of Tibet with buddhism and Dalai Lama having the flea Tibet and so it wasn't so much That people owed him money. It was like his country He was chased out of seemingly his country and I always see that Ultimately as a blessing my gosh I'm so glad that he got chased out of there and now he's chased he goes all over the world Sharing this joy and this kindness Thank god they got him out of Out of the mountains You know, I I see the blessing of the whole thing people Say go the Chinese, you know, they're gonna have to Pay there's got to be some payback Don't chase somebody out of their home without some payback I think it was part of the divine plan I'm actually grateful that that happened But that's a higher perspective and what was happening there was They were still going through these issues around Tibet. One lady was like, oh my shoes were made in China So I'm taking off my shoes I'm not going to wear Chinese shoes to protest This event that happened decades ago and so forth actually One woman stood up and basically said we need to look at the Tibet's in our own mind Which is taking it off the The world of externals seeming externals back into What are the thoughts and beliefs that I have about Tibet? There was the great prophet and sage from Liverpool, England John Lennon Who said imagine there's no country I wonder if you can There was a prophet right there if if You could practice that one line from John Lennon. You would never have an issue with Tibet Nobody buddhist would never have an issue with Tibet if they would practice One line from the great sage from Liverpool People don't think of it I think Someone was asking him saying Gandhi How do you do this path and he He was explaining but he said to them it is really hard. It's not easy The path of nonviolence is the hardest part Yeah, I think I could see where He would come from that because basically The path of Of non-violence the path of non-judgment the path of non attack Is going to bring up In the unconscious mind that that is for attack and violence and judgment So the whole ego belief system which has been pushed It's mostly unconscious has got to all come up So And certainly the ego is going to react It's if you are going to go on a path the perfect piece or enlightenment the ego is like hell you are That's what's the undoing of me That's not a good path to go so it's going to try to make Through self-sabotage it will try to make it the most extremely difficult Journey or or pathway as you can so yeah, I'm definitely not saying that That if you take this path that the ego will perceive it as an easy path Oh, it will fight and kick and scream And protest all the way But I am advocating for That sense of defenselessness and I think it takes a lot of trust a huge amount of trust because though, I've had those things come up in my life where Where it seemed like there was an accusation coming and then I had to really face that Accusation thought and start to see that that the role of the accuser Was tied into an identity and tied into a story And I had to let go of that story before that seeming Accusation stopped It was always like an identity attachment. There was always something in there with that and Also, it's been a pathway of of trust like I really trusted when Jesus said freely you have received now freely give that's another teacher of the bible and so It became like as I began recording things and putting things on the internet It became a ministry of putting things out and making everything freely available in the later years people It would put prices on some but that those were still freely available For those that believe they have to pay for something for it to be valuable There was something else for them as well But for those that were willing to just be open and find it it's all freely freely available Me that's just a symbol of how our life is to go Can we come to that level of trust where we are into the giving and the extending? And can we come into A state of mind where we see that that Nothing ever can be really taken from us or S of us That we don't already have it's that having and being are the same So If I come to an experience that what I have is what I am then I see that That nothing can ever be taken away. I have to come into an experience that loss is impossible I have to come into an experience that attack is impossible That's the only solution Not that I have to be courageous in the face of a real attack But that I have to come into such a conviction an experience that attack is impossible That's the end of sickness my mind Cannot attack. I am not a body and my mind cannot attack So I cannot be sick that that's from of course the miracles. That's jesus logic I am not a body and my mind cannot attack so I cannot be sick that's That's amazing But I have to fully believe the first two Tenants before the last one is true if I want to reach a state where I cannot be sick Then I have to believe I'm not a body and my mind cannot attack Which means attack thoughts must be impossible So that just shows the depth of this, but I think that's why we're all here. We would not even be holographically or quantumly assembled in this configuration unless there was something that was saying I want to know that experience But it will never come from a motive of of being against Against somebody because that very thought Is a violent thought it's just an error That I need to be against In fact, I think that's in the bible if god is with us who can be Against us is what it says in the bible That's lovely. I think that's that's lovely Well Nothing has ever come to court with me because I I catch it I nip it in the bud before it gets there if I was talking about being accused or threatened and uh What I when the when the accusal came Then I went into prayer And and I let say to jesus, okay, how do we handle this one? you know But an accusal then so he said here we'll write a We'll write an email or write a letter or something. You see how proactively loving Jesus is he's not going to let it get to court Hell no he'll intercept that attack thought And throw so much love because what is an accusal except a call for love to jesus Everything is either a love or a call for love. So again like in wing dire's case He sent the flowers and then the lawsuit was gone In my case I sent the letter There was a phone call It was addressed proactively through extending Love and so forth and then it never Came it was cut off at the past so to speak like an old thing Don't let it come till the they jump on your stagecoach and And have the guns, you know cut them off at the past love precedes Attack and and so that was a very great lesson for me. I was like, oh, thank you You handle things so much better Then I could ever imagine to but that's That's what it means. I mean, that's that's what I like even this ho a pono pono Dr. Hugh lend who does that, you know how he he goes through And he cleared out a whole psych ward and he goes through before he does his sessions He just goes through the names Of all the people who are coming before they even get there. I was talking to a group I think recently in finland in finland. I said, isn't that wonderful He's forgetting the participants before he even meets them That's the way to go now. That's proactive Forgiveness forgive them before you even meet them before anything even seems to happen And now he's in a state of deep silence, you know in california, you know, he's He's doing it for the whole world. He's got to clear all seven billion out of there You know not just list And he's you know, you see you gotta love that you gotta love that experience of going so proactive That you are clearing the thoughts in your mind We have one last one and then we'll take a break I just wanted to clear something up because I'm not sure if I've heard it correctly Because I've been studying the course now for about 20 years And to me everyone who shows up in my life is another aspect of me And just because I've been studying the course For 20 years doesn't make me superior And they're less awakened To me we're all awakened And they very kindly showed up with an issue That's for my benefit to look at and to heal So I'm just very aware of sometimes we can get into this Holy ego idea I'm a little bit more secure because I've got a bigger understanding More tuned in consciously I think everyone is And and I really thank the people who turn up And create difficulties in my life because it's still an unfeel of thought in me that they've been Very brave and generous enough to present to me Yeah, what I would say is there's no one ahead and no one behind because it's all just one mind So so there's no Superior there's no inferior Um Jesus has seven stages of the development of trust And including the the last one in which it may take a long long long time to put three lungs Before time to say In terms of mind training may take a long time to let go Of every to ask what you truly want in every situation in these every seeming situation So it's it's not so much. There's no one ahead. No one behind Also, though, don't use the word awake And issue in the same sense Awakeness doesn't have an issue. There are no issues in awakeness. So that's the only thing I would point out When we say everyone's awake then then there are no issues If there's still issues showing up then there's sleep We could just call it by by the name is sleeping and dreaming And and that keeps it very much Come to focus like okay show me then If I'm still seeing issues So it doesn't matter how long you study the course as long as there's issues showing up Then it's a dream of forgetfulness. It's a dream of sleep As long as there's issues showing up then there's no acceptance of the atonement and The atonement's the only thing he's asking us It's our sole responsibility is just to accept the atonement for ourselves And as long as there's a perception of attack defense issues or whatever then that's that's just dreaming I wouldn't I wouldn't use the word Awaken that I wouldn't even use the word forgiveness forgiveness Hasn't been fully experienced What the course does is the course is saying There seems to be stages and steps But ultimately forgiveness is a state of mind. It's not even a process So as long as it's described as a process over time, it's still not it It's not not atonement. It's not forgiveness as as the mind Joins with the Holy Spirit We see this amazing thing of do not see error Well, do not see error has to be a very high state of mind because that would mean do not Do not see issues There would be no issues so the gratitude can still be there because Everyone who shows up that even seems to have an issue is helping You're saying oh what what you were denying is here. I'll act it out for you to make it plain So you know that you have a need for forgiveness. So so in one sense, there's an enormous gratitude with with everyone that comes but I still wouldn't I wouldn't call that awake I would just say that's that's a movie in the right direction Okay, why don't we take Maybe a 10 and a 15 minute 15 minute break and Come back Restrooms are And tea and coffee You