 I moved that much closer. Initial reactions for Kimmy. Welcome back to Spoonsville. Welcome back to Spoonsville. We start again. Welcome back to Spoonsville. I'm going to keep all of this in. And this is our initial reaction to the movie Kimmy by Steven Soderbergh and starring Zoe Kravitz. What's my name again? Crap. Angela. Agoraphobic. Right? Agoraphobic. And she's a tech worker for some company. Yeah. It's one of those, similar to a lot of like Facebook, she even said she worked for Facebook in the movie where they have to go through all the nasty stuff and clear it out or they have to kind of, you know, they have to sift through it. Yeah. And so as she's doing that, she discovers a crime was committed and she has evidence of that and she tries to report it to the company heads but they want to just completely suppress that. Company heads. And yeah. And so then she's, they basically want to kill her and that was basically the rest of the movie. Yeah. Them trying to kill her and you raise the evidence of that. Yeah. It was an hour and a half, too long. So it was an hour and a half, so it was a shorter movie. I think overall, the beginning, I was willing to watch it. I felt like the beginning, I felt like it was a bitch to drawn out. Yeah. I felt like it took longer to actually start. Yeah. I don't know. I also felt it took longer to end. Definitely the last half hour, 45 minutes, the last half of the movie, I was pretty ready to just be done with it, unfortunately. You know, if you kind of feel negatively towards a movie, it's one of those where I wish I didn't feel that way. I wish I could enjoy every movie. Yeah. It really, yeah, it really went from feeling like a movie to a short three-minute student film very quickly for me. I felt like the chase scenes, it felt like the last part where basically she realizes they're after her and she has to try and escape and then there's a fight at the end. That all felt like it was filmed in like two days, like crammed into two days of filming or something. First take, yeah, okay, great. We're done, you know? The acting felt rushed, of course. I think it probably was. I'm not even really trying to be too hard. I think it was, so it was done during COVID. That was the first interesting. There were two interesting things. Okay, what were the things you liked about it? Because I feel like it's going to be short. Mine's kind of a short list of the things I liked. I would say there was one thing that I liked. The thing that piqued my interest was the fact that it was my first COVID movie. They had masks and I was like, oh, okay. So this takes place during COVID times. But even then, it was so irrelevant. They should have really completely left that out. The reason I say that is because they tried to apply it to her agoraphobia or to show that why it's even more intensified. But it isn't consistent enough. Even when she gets on the train, no one is wearing a mask except her. There are lots more scenes like that where it's not consistent with COVID times in that way. So I felt like you should have just left it out. So the one thing that I liked in the movie was the scene in the end towards the end when the guy, Terry, the guy that she's kind of seeing goes to her place and she's just killed three guys. And she's just called 911 and he's at the door with flowers. And she's like, 911, they're three dead bodies. Guy has been stabbed and she doesn't say anything. And then he hands her the flowers. That was the one scene that I liked. A lot of the movie felt like for me anyway, a kind of, I don't know, an ode to millennial or Gen Z defiance against authority, which kind of irritated me because a lot of the times it's very depicted in a very, it's depicted in a very condescending way. For example, how they talk about how she, when she's talking to her therapist and the dentist, right? It's, she's extremely mean and completely disregard student, the legal constraints of the dentist's profession. And then on top of that is so unkind to her therapist. That scene I felt was, you know, where she's pretending that she gets cut off and she's, you know, she pretends that she's still talking and then it was a mistake that something bad happened. They got disconnected. I'm assuming that that was supposed to be funny because I know I've done that before. I just felt with a therapist, for example, or they're just certain instances where you know that, okay, this isn't the best thing to do. But I felt like that was kind of them trying to draw the younger generation into the movie. Oh, this is cool. I totally have done that before. And, but I felt that it was just kind of in poor taste. That's why I think the movie might be much more popular regardless, despite the fact that it's not that great because the younger generation might just hang on to those kinds of things. And just like, oh, that's funny. And then you'll remember those things and not actually look at the movie in its entirety. For me, I thought that was just, you really didn't need to do that. I think you might be on to something. I could see that. I felt, maybe I'm just trying to be fair to the, like try to be nice to the movie. It felt like it could just be one of those things where, because it was kind of, you know, a pretty low budget movie, but that also gives you some freedom. They don't mind then having protagonists that are pretty flawed and can be kind of shitty sometimes. So her being rude to people that are trying to help her out just kind of felt like a character flaw to me where it's one of those things where you're supposed to, for me, I was like, okay, it's nice that she's not supposed to be a perfect, super cool, super good looking hacker, you know, young person that's supposed to just have like, live in a cool flat and, you know, be really good at hacking and computer stuff. I thought maybe that was kind of try to humanize a little bit, but I could also see where that felt a bit like, oh, of course, yeah, young people never, never pay attention to older people's advice. They never have any time. You could see it both ways. The other thing that I felt was the characters to me, some characters felt kind of irrelevant. For example, the mom, there's a call with the mom and she's mean to the mom or the mom as well isn't very nice to her either. It just, okay, so the mom and Kimmy have a bad relationship. So what, why did we need to know that she has a mother who has, I don't know. Yeah, because the, I mean, apart from just trying to make you, I suppose feel bad for her and then her dad's dead and her mom, they don't have a great relationship, but then her mom still then calls her at the end, which kind of saves her because then she activates the Kimmy thing and then turns the lights off. It's one of those movies, I think just in general, it's unsatisfying. None of the character interactions or relationships or any of that stuff really feel really good, really juicy, really fulfilling. Yeah, the only other character that made sense to me and the guy doesn't even show up in the movie is Kimmy's dad. Right. Because he explains why Kimmy's good with the nail gun that he ends up killing the guys that he tried to kill her with. So I appreciate that they at least try to have some explanation for some of these things. You're not just good at stuff out of nowhere, like some action movies, fair enough, but. Yeah, so there's that. I even, I put, the things that I liked, I mean, those are the things that I liked. I liked that it was during COVID times, although yeah, it was kind of irrelevant, but I at least appreciate that they wanted to, it's the first time I've seen that. So I put that as something I liked. And then I liked some of the camera movement angles and music choice, although I found with the music, it was creative and risk taking in that it was kind of mellow beat music during some of the more intense scenes, which yeah, it's a nice change from just the dramatic music we hear all the time in chase scenes and action movies, but at the same time, it does also take me out of it because I don't know, I mean, it was a unique choice and I appreciate that, but it didn't work for me. It took me out of the supposed to be the more intense parts of the movie, which already because it felt just like some, you know, some, yeah, like an amateur movie, just random guys chasing her and it's just kind of, it was, it felt like it was so rushed that it was really hard to be engaged in all of it. Yeah, and even the last bit where the bad guys are in her flat, they just stand there as she orders Siri to shut the, I mean, not Siri, well, give me to turn the lights off and play loud music, all these orders that she, you know, she commands of Kimmy and they're just standing there the whole time. That wasn't incredibly unrealistic. At least just try and inject some realism in that movie. It's one of those where I think sometimes people can be too hard on movies when they say that, I would have been smarter than those, people like to feel like they'd be smarter than the protagonist and the villains in the movie, which sometimes I'm like, nah, you know, I think that's actually realistic. If you're in shock or whatever, you might not be able to do all these things and think clearly. But yeah, that's one of those cases where I was thinking the same thing where they're just, oh no, I can't see, oh, and shit, they just kind of were very passive through the whole thing. The one thing else, I guess, that was, I don't know if I thought it really worked, but they're trying to, the cautionary tale of bringing up how easy it is for people to find out anything about you and then once it's out there, how hard it is to get rid of it and also just the kind of power struggle that there is now, it's the new economy almost or the new thing that's fought over is data, is privacy, is all these kinds of things and how much we're told by all these long agreements that we accept, oh yeah, your privacy is safe and all this, but really we all know it's bogus and we don't know when it reads these things and there's a lot of these lies that we all kind of tell ourselves that we know, we like to put it out of our minds that we're being tracked 24 seven. Like we all know this at this point that there is very little privacy when it comes to those things and it's something that we have this dissonance, this kind of dissonance where we just kind of ignore it but also know it and we make jokes about it but we also are all a little low key worried about it but we also realize how do you go back from it? So that was- But the problem though is that the movie did not depict it as deeply as you were talking or as thoroughly as you were talking about it. It felt like a lot of these very relevant topics to our times, they try to just pack those, all of those things into the movie but it wasn't thorough enough to actually feel like anything that I could look into the movie and feel like, oh, this is a reflection piece. It just felt thrown in there to, you know, I don't know, it felt like they were trying to throw the wool over our eyes, just a crap. My computer, my laptop, excuse me. Yeah, no, that was going on a lot in the movie, a lot of it. I really started to lose focus on it when she tries to break the whole thing wide open and I don't know, there was just, it felt like also maybe, sometimes I get a sense that the people working on it also start to lose focus on it or they stop caring. The beginning stages of it seem like, yeah, this is an exciting thing to be working on and then they're just struggling to really wrap it up or I don't know, there was a random protest going on. Maybe it was against COVID restrictions. I couldn't really hear what they were chanting even. It was just hard to hear a bunch of the dialogue, which again kind of feels like, sure, they didn't take time to overdub, which sometimes can be done. You can, you know, there's some movies where they have to get the actors to redo the lines because they were filming outside and it was hard to hear and it was very clearly, that was an overdub, right? You redid the audio for that but this time I was like, you could use some overdubs because they're just, they're outside and they're just struggling and they're running or whatever. I'm like, what did they say? I don't know, it was just, it took me really out of it. Honestly, I think I give it like a three out of 10. Yeah, me too. Because it really was, felt just kind of pointless and I regret watching it, but it wasn't the worst movie I've seen but it was disappointment and we were already feeling like the trailer was not super grabby so. I know that one thing that I also really didn't like was the sex scene between Terry and Angela. It was just very crass, I felt, especially because she's, she has mental health issues and later she talks about how she was assaulted by some guy. We don't know if it was a sexual assault but then she talks about how she was blamed for it and not the people that assaulted her and I just felt like, why would you do that? This person that has a mental health issue, it wasn't sexy for me, it didn't feel very hot. The scene just felt like this is someone who's struggling with mental health challenges. Also because there wasn't a lot of fundamental context in terms of the relationship between her and Terry to justify that kind of crass and less intimate. If it were more intimate, I would say, okay, maybe he understands and knows what's going on with her and it's being more tender with her. I felt that that would have made more sense. So just things like that just made no sense to me. That's an example of just a lot of decisions in that movie just didn't work for me in my mind. So that's just one of those things too where the subjectivity comes in where just a lot of the stuff that was chosen I was just, it wasn't engaging me. It wasn't affecting me in the way I think it was supposed to. Yeah, it definitely felt most likely was rushed. I'm not sure, but yeah, three out of 10 ripe tomatoes for us. Yeah, let us know what you guys think. Yeah, that's about it, really. Yeah, honestly, that's Kimmy. Yeah, it was just, it's okay. Coming from Marry Me, I think it was, I know it's a different movie. We talked last time about how not to compare sticks and stones, sticks and stones, fruits and veg. No. Fruits and veg. No, what are the things, apples and oranges? Yeah, yeah. Kimmy. Kimmy.