 Check it check it check it. It's a unique host. It's your boy e ceo, and I'm here with the lovely official mr. Mako walk on hey, man Listen, this is a special day for me, man God just keep dropping gyms on me man and and to be honest with you man You never know you never know what God is doing man. He always got something to worry He got something held back the way he can show you okay. I did this for you. You didn't even see it man So I met this guy man years ago seven years ago or so man. He came to my shop. He was like man I'm doing a site for man. I'm put my artist in man We're trying to get it going man, and he was so passionate about it And I didn't know really and they say it. I didn't even know his name. I just wanted to work with him I didn't care say man. We got that boy prophecy in the building Man this dude here man. He usually don't get in front of camera You notice I've been getting people in front of camera that usually don't But most videographers or photographers don't ever know they don't they they love being behind the scene behind the scenes But creative work creative work. That's what and this guy man So what drives you to work like this man what drives me to work? Yeah, like because because I've seen to be honest is because I've seen my father work Wow, you know I mean ever since I was young like to be honest That's what drives me because I see them like they used to wake us up at five in the morning to go to work Yeah, because they had to be at work at six and then they had to drive me to somebody's house And then they had to drive me to school and then they had to drive back home And I had to wait till like seven eight o'clock till my parents got home, and then they were tired Yeah, and then do that shit again all over all over again Man, so I told I told them I don't want my kids living like that. Wow. You you don't change the game It builds something this character, right? You know a lot of times I hear my husband because he went through things like that with his dad and You know we try to not do that for our kids, but it made you into the man You are you wouldn't want to change that for nothing and sometimes we tend to not want it You want to give our kids a easier life, but sometimes I can make them soft Definitely not of course not make my kids work because you know I want them to see me work to sit like that What motivated my dad worked all the time, so he still works all the time even when he's not working He's doing something. He's moving around. Yeah. He just doesn't sit down. He's just I was like if I People think that I'm the hardest worker, but I looked at my dad and he doesn't stop I'm like, I don't know. I don't ever feel like I could outwork him. Yeah Just recently over the past like two three years, I've started to realize, you know, I've become a father and And I started telling my dad I was like, like, you know you inspire me like It's something else. It's something else. Yeah. Yeah Same way same thing to me. I did the same thing to my mom Whenever I got married and I had kids and I was like, oh my god, how you balance all of this? I call her and I was like mom, I don't know how you did it your super mom because to me I'm like until you're put in that position until you have kids until you have a mate, you know You don't realize how much energy it takes to be able to balance time for everybody, you know And then find time for yourself. So I told her I was like, no, you did an awesome job. Yeah, man So you a man when you first started out so seven years ago when you came here How long had you been doing that before you came here? Probably like two years two years. Yeah, and you was did you did you know where you was going with it? Or you just kind of was just I was just doing what you love. Yeah, I love music. I love putting artists on You know, like at the time there wasn't a lot of videographers And especially and especially nobody was trying to put any artists on You know, I mean, so I took it upon myself and I started creating these ciphers That was around the time where it was a big budget for a video that was coming out of that time You know, like when when the majors would do a video and you had already mastered the concept of understanding DSRs back then Yeah, I was all right, man. Like I said, I wasn't Looking back at my videos and I wasn't the best. Yeah. Yeah, but I was doing something for for for the people around me For the artists around me. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean and that's kind of what motivated me at the same time They were you know, I mean like those I was doing for free, but you know, they were paying me to do videos It was like maybe two three hundred dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the time it wasn't a lot No, no, but you know, it got to a point where I was doing so many of them I was getting paid more than you know, what I was getting paid out of job. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy, man I I sat back and I just like I said when I seen it was you I started looking through all of it I seen like wasn't in Kevin Gates Mode three different people who all who would you say the Biggest artist you work with in your eyes because that would be your opinion. Really the biggest artist I worked with Um, I mean to be honest, I feel like mode three was bigger than everybody. Well, he was gonna be really anybody. Yeah You think he had it. Yeah, he had it in them to to be you know, like top five in the nation Yeah, I mean not just here in Dallas, but you know, he was just so so diverse You know, I mean that that's that's what I felt and I felt it from day one Mm-hmm Wow, that's so that that that's crazy. Um, what I wanted to know is that um You said you were working before you while you were doing this right when you were younger Yeah, so how long did it take you to quit your job? And realize that you were making more money doing this and he's like, you know what I'm just gonna do this full time Yeah, um, I mean I had different jobs And then I finally got a job. I was like a like a manager somewhere And uh, they were paying me pretty good And on the weekends I was doing that and then during the week I was going to school too So I was just you know doing everything. I was just moving all the time And uh, it got to a point where like I made like 600 dollars a week Doing videos and I was making about the same You know in my job And then I was like man, I'm doing too I can only do two because that's all the time I have but if I quit my job I could do four right and now instead of getting paid 600 I can make 1200 a week And I'm like, okay, um, so that's I was like, you know, yeah, yeah Before you before you just actually made that leap and jump into when I started to From when I started to when I quit took me about a year and a half two years Oh, that's quick. I was thinking you to say like about three years or something like that No, but I was working like I said, I wasn't just I was full-time You know, I was I was in the full-time employee, but at the same time I was full-time on video and videos Yeah, like as soon as I would come home from my job I didn't sleep. No, I would go straight to the computer and then just watch videos or watch tutorials or You know, do whatever and then go to sleep at 2 3 in the morning and then wake up and do it again So let me ask you how much You know now How much does it have to do with you and your research Compared to someone actually teaching you the tricks and trade. Uh, I feel like I could have got, you know To it a lot faster If I had like a mentor, you know, I mean like like, you know back then like Or even now like a lot of people don't want to teach You know, I mean the younger the younger kids are like, I mean, there's youtube and everything But it's nothing like being on set with somebody who knows You know, I mean like uh, I think because they're scared of that person. I guess taking their spot Being better than them. Yeah. Yeah. So you tell me would you train somebody else who is aspiring? I mean anybody I try any any young directors who come to me and be like, yo, how do you do this? Or I have questions. I try to answer all their okay, awesome You know, they either hit me up on facebook on instagram, you know, I mean whatever and like whatever questions they have I try my hardest to try to You know, talk to them and be like, yo, this this is how I did it. This is you shouldn't, you know Maybe you shouldn't go this route. You know, this is what worked for me This is what's working for me. This is how I do my videos and you're rare You know that right because you don't have a lot of people who is willing to help somebody Even you were just about to say that yourself Yeah, because like I said, uh, like I said, I was coming up and when I was coming up there was nobody especially in the city There was nobody who was uh You know, but but that that's how the culture grows. That's how the city grows You know, I mean like there's not a lot of uh Dallas isn't a big film city. It's not Atlanta. It's not it's not uh la but at the same time is because If we had more directors If we had more studios If we had, you know, more people in the industry who were professionals More people will come and there will be more work. So Dallas is mainly music. Yeah Not film but now the film the film industry is growing But then I always heard I always thought that film was mainly in I know it's not Dallas, but I know like austin Austin is a lot of film in austin. There's a lot of film in austin but it has you know, a lot of corporate stuff, you know, I mean, you know, like, uh You know, they shot some they shoot a lot of commercials and they shoot a lot of stuff over there but um I feel like Dallas is gonna be that next film city I think so. Yeah, and I want to be one of the pioneers That helps that helps the city You know, I mean uh be where it is because that's that's what it needs You know, like Dallas artists fly to Atlanta to shoot videos, right? They shouldn't have to Exactly. So are you are you is that something? Well, you fit that that whole you put the work in A lot of people hadn't put that a lot of you can't I can't say that about but I know you've been consistently grinding the whole time Yeah, man, like I've made it to a point like I don't just go out there by myself and with the camera and just point and shoot I'd be like, yo, we shot a video Like I try to show people that no we need the team So if you budget up if they need to read you go get the read Yeah, it depends on the on the video. Yeah, like not all videos need a read But uh, let's say like the kevin gates video, right? We had like maybe like a seven eight person crew On that set, you know, I mean if it was just me by myself, I could have probably made it happen, but You know, I mean think about like a movie When you go see a movie, how many how many credits are at the end? Yeah. Yeah, you know, there's probably like thousands of them Yeah to make a movie same thing with music videos You need at least like a small crew is like a 20 person crew in Hollywood You know what I mean? And that's what I'm trying to get people to understand here That's what I'm trying to get artists to see as well because people don't know that artists don't know that So when they so I try to I try to post pictures behind the scenes like look, this is what we're doing You know, it's not just one person but look how the quality comes out Yeah, look like you know, if it was just one person it would have been okay But you know once you have a crew once you have a team of professionals working with you Everybody specializing in their own in their own field Um, then you get some then you get some magic done. You have your own crew Yeah, I have a crew that I that I've uh, you trust and know that of course. Yeah Okay, how many people For sure at least seven people some people so you are willing to expand and build a bigger Yeah, he probably doesn't show guys the way that them branched off to without years he's been in it Yeah No, the reason why I was asking because then our listeners might be like man, I want to get on his team How can I get on his team? Let me reach out to you to try to you know shooting my credentials You know see if you're interested. I'm very I'm very picky. Okay. I don't just choose anybody to come work with me because I need a first. I need a I need a You know, I need to be able to trust you right I need to be able to see that you're responsible That you have what it takes to work because If you're not if you're not wanting to do this as a as a career You know, I mean, I don't want you on my team like everybody on my team I want them to to be successful and to be and to and to be specialists at what they do You know, I mean if you're gonna like I want you to be a special, you know a specialist at lighting Yeah If you're gonna if you're gonna work the camera that's you better be the boy the best cameraman in the city I like that because you got to make sure that they level up because you you want the best quality But it's hard to find that how long did it take you to find Man, everybody be slipping, you know, I mean at first it was it was just like maybe two or three people right and then uh But those two or three people were solid You know, I mean and then uh And then I guess from that work other people more people started reaching out. Yo, I want to go on set with you And then uh I'll put out like I'm looking for an editor and now I have so many people send me their videos and they were just amateurish And then one dude sent me his video. I was like, okay, bro. You got something Like, okay. All right. Well, let me let me let me toss you this video edit this for me Let me see. Oh, okay. You turn it around this this fast. All right bad bad. Let's work That's awesome. That's awesome. I know that that takes that that's it's crazy because we've hired people over the last We've been here 15 years going on and and just you people walk in and out of your life You have to get used to that. Yeah, because sometimes they pick things run a course And I think a lot of times people be Emotionally caught up in things where they shouldn't be and it can cause your business to do better or do worse But you have to be very selective too because when you took your time And your passion to build your brand and you researched and you did all of the footwork And all the person have to come in to do yes, they have to come and do their part But they're reaping off of your benefit exactly. Yeah, there's there's some people there's snakes out there There's people who just want to come in and they'll be on set, you know, try to take the artists, you know Exactly, exactly Or you know, I mean or like try to take what you learn or try to take your team, you know, like let's say a team that I built Then try to go use it for their videos when they've only been around for so long. Like I like I said, I'm very I'm very strong on On loyalty, loyalty, you know, I mean like because like if you're loyal to me, I'm gonna make sure that you're right Oh, yeah, yeah, you see you back here today. That's loyalty when I called you didn't you didn't hesitate I didn't hesitate because I hesitate at all because when I came in here seven years ago And I was like, bro, I need a I need a spot a location to film this cipher. You were like, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah You know what I mean? No hesitation. So you showed me that, you know, I mean like you helped me out I'm gonna help you out and it's the same way. I try to help I got a camera guy coming out to get through doing school today. I always been the same dude I don't went through so many people who they either grow up They'll grow out or they'll do something to where I'd be like, yeah, go ahead and go, you know But I always just try to help people, right? We've taken people to LA We've taken people to Vegas wherever trying to and and they would film because we what we done We started VRM, which was visual realistic media and it was where we was doing a little small commercial skits for like small businesses And that's what we were doing. We were focused on that So I had to have two or three people with me at all time holding the cameras So we could cut and edit and do loads of cutting the drone or flying the drone We was doing stuff like that. Yeah, and you know, I'm an engineer too. I work for communication So I've been doing that for a long time. So when I when I met you and I seen it fascinates me anyway to see that You know going down and I love music. So you gotta love music. Yeah, you gotta love music Yeah, I love music. That's what got me in the game. You know, I mean like before I loved videos I love music. I didn't know that I didn't know that people got paid to do music videos I just like when people were like, you know, when I was younger, like, what do you want to do when you grow up? I just want to be somewhere around music. Wow And that was from a young age. Yeah, that was from a young age. Like that is 15 16 years old like what you want to do. I don't know. I just want to do somewhere music So how did you get in the camera? How did you get your first camera? How did all of that transpire? Um I started working with cameras. I was like 16 17 years old I was in between jobs a friend of mine came to me. You know, she was like, uh, Hey, uh, my job, you know, if you're looking for a job, my job is looking for photographers, you know How to take pictures and I'm like, yeah I'm like I'm like, uh, you know, I mean, but you know, I mean Then, you know, I started working at the american airline center for the mavericks the dinosaurs That's a blessing and the texas rangers, you know, and every day that I would work there I would work every game. So every game I would take like 5 000 pictures. Wow. That's god, man Yeah, so for like two years and So it was her camera you were using or you went and the company's camera the company's camera Yeah, the company's camera. Yeah, I didn't know how to use it. Like they just kind of like So you were practicing? Exactly. Yeah, I didn't even know I was practicing. I didn't even know what I was practicing probably just Is that god or what? Yeah, that's just they just put me. Yeah, it was it's it's a It's crazy how life works. Yeah, you know, I mean, so so I got good like framing, you know Yeah, I started starting, you know, putting things in picture like where where the body's supposed to go Yeah, yeah, like and then uh, I had I had a friend Rhythm dm3 I had I had a friend and uh, he was rapping Yeah, you know, he when he first started rapping, you know, I was trying to rap with him too. Oh, yeah, you I was gonna go in but I'm gonna come down. I'm gonna bang screw, but yeah Yeah, you know what he do what was your name? What was it? What was your rap name? Prophecy? Oh Can I find the whole mixtape? That's where the name came from? Yeah, because I needed a rap name. I wasn't gonna use my real name So did he give you that name or did you come up with that name? No, I kind of came up with That's hot. What made you come up with that name? I was in like as a young kid conspiracy theorist, you know, I mean, like, you know, just like ancient mine stuff Hashtag stuff And uh, just you know 2012 for the prophecies of 2012, you know, I mean, yeah, yeah So I like I'm I'm creating my own prophecy like like this is yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna create my own legacy So that's just kind of how I came up with it. So you go ahead. I'm sorry. So, um Okay, going back to the first time you had that job and everything like that So who was the first big big big person that ever approached you that wanted to work with you that When no one was around you're like, oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I just got it Dang That's a that's a real good question. I think uh earlier on I started uh working First of all, nobody came to me like at first I was going out to artists. I was like, you know, let me You know, I mean Like one of the artists that were doing their thing back in the day were the high rollers You know, I mean, so, you know seeing them on stage like they were moving around, you know My record my group they were like they were always doing shows. We're like, so I came up to him like, yo Like these are my videos. I was just shooting like little videos for my for my homeboy I was like, let me shoot a video for y'all do it for free. You know, I mean, so that was they gave me the opportunity and then More more Latin artists and other artists started seeing their videos and they're like, yo, you shot Let me shoot a video with you too. That's how, you know, kind of kept the ball rolling Yeah next, you know, I think I did one with like little flip Zero like there were just features. But when I was doing those features, you know, like these are artists that I made for like, okay Yeah, like these are You know, I mean, um, but which artist was the one that blew your mind when You had I think it was zero zero zero. Yeah, and it was just like a feature. But like, you know, zero was my favorite rapper Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody's favorite. Yeah, everybody loves zero man zero was my favorite rapper when I was young. So, um When I got to do that, I mean, he's not the most, uh, approachable guy. No, he never has me Never has me so But after that, I was like, okay. Yeah, this is good. You know, I'm doing it like like I'm it's going, you know, I mean, you know One day like this was a feature but one day I'm filming music video for you, bro You know, like you're gonna call me. You told him that. No, I ain't told him that but that's what I'm telling myself. Yeah, yeah Yeah, you pose it feel like Did he ever call you eventually? But you you basically when you think about it, I I remember selling Al Jere's t-shirts Dan was real cool with him the owner Al Jere's and he would be like e I can get zero to the store But the way you said like his attitude was as I looked at I'm like, no, I don't think that's gonna do me any good You know, I mean even though to bring the people in I just thought like people gonna come and leave Just to see zero. So I didn't want to waste my time But Dan was real good with him. He would go sleep on his couch and go to houston You remember them Al Jere's t-shirts the guy named Dan Al Jere's and me and him was real good friends when those t-shirts was popping He out of Ohio. I don't even know how you got over there. But so Let me ask you something, man. So the biggest guy you you say he inspired you Well, he he made you feel like oh, ah, but there's been people that you've seen grow Who grew the most like the artist mo 3? Because you you didn't when you first started dealing with him till then Yeah, yeah mo 3 was the artist that I seen growing the most Okay, that's what I figured like, you know, go literally go from nothing to to being able to sell out shows You know, not only in your city, but like in other states as well. Yeah, you know, I mean, so that's crazy. You know, I was uh I loved seeing that because I love seeing people grow. I like seeing people come out and then to to know that you know, I mean like I was I was helping him in a way. I was part of part of the team He would shoot you would shoot the videos I would shoot the videos for me Yeah, yeah, and then like if he needed like I need I wanted to make sure like I was telling three all the time I was like three like we got to make our videos better Really? Yeah, we need to put a bigger budget behind his video like bro. We need to make you look like a superstar And what would he say not probably let's just shoot the video. You know, he was like he was never really He just wanted to get out. He just wanted to thug it out just shoot And but the more like, you know, as I kept on showing I was like, look, this is what we got to do So he got to Kevin Gates shoot, you know, I mean at that point That's when he was really starting to see okay. Yeah, we gotta do We have I see I see I see why we need the red camera. I see what we need this crew. I see what we need to pay this Like he didn't he didn't really was talking about paying until the end, you know, until then, you know, I mean even at that I was uh I was making a little bit off of those videos, but But I supported I knew I knew the vision. I knew I knew where it was going. Yeah You love the movement for the city, too. What about a boosty when he came? Did you shoot that video? The apartment in my apartment. Yeah, I shot apartments. I shot. That was a good job Which one was the other one shot with it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah That was a good one. Let me ask you a question. Do um videographers do they get any wish I said residuals residuals from videos when it goes I guess you can I guess you can work that out with the bigger artists or like let's say if you want to have it in Contract with uh with a growing artist you you might but like I think for for a lot of videographers who Who are just still on the come up trying to grind? We don't really ask for that. Really? Yeah, you just get paid what you can pay. Yeah, we just get paid. I didn't know how it works But when you write, you know, that's what you was thinking about because you're right Because I know artists when they you know, whether it's thing or whatever they get residuals from all their music So I'm like, okay. That's your work. That's your video. You know, I didn't know if they pay you It's a little percentage or whatever. Yeah. I didn't know how it works Once you sign that contract you deal with it or if you make a deal you shake hands But like you have to figure out ways you can't just think about, you know, getting paid in monetary terms Because you know, you don't always get paid in money. Sometimes sometimes it's in recognition You know, it's sometimes everybody wants to want you to shoot the video for recognition, but like One you have to believe in that artist, you know, I mean like you have to believe that you believe it yourself Yeah, that is gonna that's gonna work out for you. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't I had a cam god on here and I had a Shown ovid media that worked with 979 It's so funny that all y'all got different styles of what y'all do things like Ovid media, he do the recap videos where he talk about what happened the night of the party Then you got cam god who's who's kind of like you he goes and deals with different artists You know what I mean, but all y'all got different ways, but he'd do more of taking pictures at the club I don't see you do much of that. I used to back in a day. You don't mess with that. I don't mess I don't need to be out there no more Yeah, yeah, yeah Like when I was young I had to be out there because I had to make sure that every artist Who was coming up at the time knew who I was. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean So I was I was at all the shows, you know, yeah, and I did that when I was younger You know, I mean, I feel like at this point I can't be out there, but I mean, why why do it? You know, I'm gonna send my little guy. I'm gonna send my homie. Yeah, I need to put him on now Yeah, so you letting him get out there and get that shine and basically he learning how to grind Because that's how you learn how to grind. Yeah It's so you did did you ever do like recap videos like that for like different people? Yeah, I've done a couple but like I wouldn't say any like crazy major artists because I wasn't in the scene like that. That's what I did it. I did it with a lot of local artists Yeah, yeah, yeah coming up. You know, I mean, um Because I was in there. I was in that underground. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah with all the with all these artists Sean did like 50 cent or you'll see the one for while and that when it was in Dallas Like I'm sure that if I kept on going at it. I only did highlight Then it would have you would have got that too. Yeah, I would have you know But that was that was never my goal. So what is your goal? Have you have you reached your goal? What is your goal? What is your goal? No, my goal. I mean to be honest My goal is to be able to have Multiple businesses You know, yeah, yeah With the film industry and within the music industry And I mean not only that like I want to do events too I want to be able to buy a venue one day, you know and throw my own concerts do my own, you know, like Like yeah, like it's just different stuff. Like it doesn't all have to happen But like I have a lot of you got a golden aspirations. I have a lot of dreams and goals that I hope to accomplish one day You got to speak it into existence and then we capture that so in the next what five years We come back and say you're probably gonna surpass that I hear you the way you moving and the way the respect the people got for you I wouldn't be surprised with whatever happened with you. Yeah, because you put the work down already Yeah, and I keep on putting the work in. Yeah, like it's it's all I do and you're humble and that's what I love Very humble. That's what I remember that even back then same dude saying no change Being real like just just a just a genuine guy with the job that you have right now. You travel a lot, right? How does that play with you having a family? And you're going all the time. My wife understands. She knows what I'm doing She helped me with this, you know, I mean like everybody tells me how to do You know, I mean, you know, like nobody ever invested opinion me my parents like my parents love me But when I told them I was gonna quit my job. They were like, you're you're fucking crazy You crazy? Yeah, you know, my dad like, you know, like I said, he works so he's always worked for a company and he He believes that nine to five, you know, I mean save your money, you know do that and I was more like You broke the algorithm. Yeah, exactly. What do they think about it now? Now? He's like, I see you're doing You know, I'm proud of you. Congratulations. Like, you know, I was like, yeah, but you didn't want to invest in I'm you tell him like, yeah, but you don't want to buy me no camera back then. You know, what did he say? He's like, he's like, well, whatever you need now, I got you. That's crazy. Now I'm trying to go into business with my father. So that way he won't have to work So what what are you going to do with him? I can't I can't you can't reveal it I can't reveal it too much because I don't you know, you hadn't done it yet. I want to I want to be I want to be pioneers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I get it. I understand But but I'm working on something with my father. I'm like, yo invest this much money into me If you really trust me and believe me like, look, put this much amount of money in this we're going to be partners 50 50 You know, I mean, he believe in you. Yeah. And he was like, he was like whatever at this point. He believes in me Yeah, so what he was like, okay I was like, uh, like I got to make sure that when he retires He's good. He's going to be having still money coming into it. I get it. That's my goal to have my parents straight No, no, I get it. That's that's important, man. That I wish I had my parents, you know what I mean? So I mean, if I could have done it and had the time to do it and and seen them at that stage life is a life is It ends in the short, you know, short, you know, you don't have your parents here for a long time But I got I got to try my hardest to to to make sure that all the risks that my parents did, you know, they're immigrants Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, so like they came over here illegally that might when my dad guy He was telling me he was making three dollars an hour. Wow You know what I mean? That's crazy. Yeah, like I'll talk about we like for like the Yeah, for the first 19 years, I lived in South Dallas. I've dicks in the projects. Wow. Yeah, like But my because my dad they weren't making enough money. Like, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah That's how you know, and then but he worked hard. He you know, and then he got it. Yeah He got himself a house. We moved to pleasant grove. Wow and You know, I was to my mom. I'm gonna get your cast. I was like 19 years old One day I'm gonna get your cast. So we're not gonna be living here no more. You know what I mean? And she still reminds me you're still gonna get my cast on I'm like, all right. Look, I'm gonna I want to see my parents, you know, see the the fruit of the labor like like, yeah, yeah Of everything all their struggle that you know that it's paying off How many siblings do you have? I have two others two of the brothers Younger or older Both younger Wow Yeah, my now now my younger brother he left this job and now he's working with me Oh, awesome. Yeah, that's good when you can have family and they and they do right by you Yeah, that's love. I was like, how much is your job hanging? I got you We're gonna and we're gonna get more than that. I'm like, you know, we're gonna like same thing I want to open up a business with my brother. Yeah 50 50. So that way my brother's getting paid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, how's your brother? He's 25. Okay. So he's learning. Yeah. Yeah. He's learning. He already he edits for me Wow, and then he goes on sets and he lights for me and he does like a bunch of different You know, yeah, he knows that so he's starting to but like I said, um I want to create generational wealth. Yeah, that's my that's my ultimate goal Yeah, we're like, you know, my grandkids could be doing You know could be running these businesses You know, I mean my mind is like That's that's how it's supposed to be and honestly, that's how everybody should be thinking but people don't I don't care what people think I care what I care about what I think No, you know, you you don't man like He's very dope to be honest with you like I was so proud when I've seen that was you like It's the same do this dude. They gave they loving you like the people that I heard and they wasn't just one It was probably by five or six people But I had no I never looked Till when I called you like when I start calling you you probably say who's the dude keep calling me Because I kept calling you but I didn't know if that was your number. I just knew that was somebody It was on your page. So that's my second with my business number. I don't I mean, I picked that up every once in a while Yeah, I kept calling it. I said I'm gonna keep calling it because I do gotta know that I'm rooting for him now I didn't even realize it was you that's crazy And I was like I'm gonna have some to come on the show. Maybe I'll come on the show You know what? I mean, that's the way I be looking at things like I always stay I stay humble to to to the fact of I know you guys are busy too So if you didn't come I would have been like I still cut for you I wouldn't because I know business man, and I'm a business dude. So I would understood But you hear now and that's love man for you to come on You ain't been on nobody's show and nobody's been seeing him and I get to do this man That's God first ever interview. Yeah. Yeah You know seem like pleasant grove because you say you're from pleasant grove now, right? And it produces a lot of Great musicians or great people who are because you told me about rock tea and rock tea. He You know, that's my god. I mean, I know of him. He come here too He met him here in the area because he used to work at like the dollar store on the street and whatever It's crazy story. It's so crazy that y'all came from the same area and y'all are doing so well in the music industry film industry There's a lot of talented people around here. Yeah, especially in pleasant grove, but nobody's put a spotlight on You know, I mean, yeah, and I hope to do that because I still want to work with uh with younger artists You know, I mean, yeah, because like I said, I feel like, you know, maybe one day I'll put my own record label together Yeah, he's he's like 21 ain't he? 2021 he's very young Yeah, and he but he do music from money man, but little baby Jonah Lucas he he killing it like and but when I first met him I was his celebrity Like you need hustle man. He hugged me take pictures. I always tell that story But then I seen him just go like that's crazy man. I'm like, wow, this dude just took off. You know what I mean I think bobby sessions is from pleasant grove too, isn't he? Yeah Is he from pleasant grove? I think I think I heard that he was from pleasant grove and he just won a Grammy, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah So it happens it can happen right here in you right in front of you So so who would you like to shoot and you know, who would you spy to like I want to shoot a video for this guy right now? Yeah, right now I mean, it'll have to be somebody like Somebody creative like somebody who loves putting like dope visuals Kendrick Lamar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Travis Scott. Yeah, you want to do it. You want to do it like and you can take it there Yeah, what is the most creative video you've ever done Creative video like you tell me what after with with effects and all that I think about like a missy elliott video. That's creative. No, that's very creative. You know what I mean The thing I don't I've been saving a lot of my ideas There's a lot of stuff that I want to do that I'm really like just having my in the back of my head But we don't really have the budget to make it look the way I want it to look. Okay. That makes sense You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, exactly those missy elliott videos you're talking about like at the time like 125 thousand dollar videos People don't realize music videos were expensive ever. That was your major budget Actually, because even what's his name video? I fell in love with the other day Leroy Ronnie. Yeah, what was the name of that video? Mfers or mf. Some whatever. It was Now I love little Ronnie's videos because like they always find a way to get really creative Yeah, but with and stay within a reasonable budget like yeah, yeah, and he said that was his most expensive video That he has done today. Well, he was fighting a guy on there and I've seen that video I need to see it is crazy. It's like this karate type feel and he was the villain and and like I told him when I watched the video It's a while about two years. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. He was in the warehouse and he's That's right. I'll female shot there. I love I love that video. Are you familiar with the guy that shot that? That's how I got familiar with when they started shooting when he shot that. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay those videos But I think that throw that ass in the circle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, like when he was doing those videos Yeah, like, you know He they were getting really creative with uh, I like that creativity You know what I mean? Because to me like I told him I was like It looked like he should have been in a movie because that's that's how it looked I don't like the music videos that just look so much like a music video It looked like seen from a movie honestly and I loved it Yeah, and like I said, I'm saving a lot of my stuff right now like I'm just uh I'm waiting and waiting And now I've been talking to labels and now I know labels. They still got that $50,000 and $60,000 Really? Yeah, they still got them there. They're out there, but they just need a they just need to be like they can't just be like Yo, probably hear $60,000 go shoot a video. It's like no, like I gotta come correct. I gotta be like, all right This is the treatment. This is the idea that we're gonna go for I could see this is this is the budget list this $60,000 $20,000 gonna go to this You know, let's say 2,500 is gonna go to location This is gonna go to actors gonna go to extras is gonna go to light and this is gonna go to lenses to camera Like, you know a budget breakdown. I'm not gonna go ahead and pocket $60,000 It's just like when you go into a bank and getting a loan you have to give them your whole Everything of how you gonna spend the money what you foresee how you go make the money back How you gonna be able to pay them back within a certain projected time and stuff like that you have to do all of that So I feel like record labels that they want to give you that money But they just want to make sure like where's that money going to like what are you doing with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I mean so so I'm in the process of doing that and you know, I mean Creating you know writing more creative treatments and then at the same time, you know doing budget breakdowns and stuff like that but like I definitely I want to at least touch a hundred thousand dollar music video. That's that's that's that's one of my goals That's pop. What's the most what's the highest price video you've ever done to date? Um, budget wise maybe like five to eight thousand Okay, which is You jumping over all the other prices and going straight to the hundred thousand. Yeah. Well, it's like, okay Um, when I was doing two hundred dollar videos I wanted my videos to look like five hundred dollar videos Then when I started getting paid five hundred dollar videos, I like, okay, I'll make it look like eight hundred thousand dollar videos Wow And now when I'm at this this point in my life now I'm like trying to triple double triple that so if it looks like if you're paying me five thousand I'm gonna try to make it look like a fifteen twenty thousand dollar video. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's up, man So let me ask you this question. I got to get this out of you before I get you out of here Top three artists of all time Yeah, any genre don't top three Yeah, yeah, yeah, we do it to everyone to come on the show So it top three of all time of all time. They are live. Does it got to be an order? Yeah That's your order though. Yeah, it's your top three. It's your opinion. It's what you heard what fascinated you That's tough man. It's like I said, I love music. You got it. You got to give it to um You got to give it to me I don't know. I want to say Number one jcoe jcoe jcoe frequent Dallas, don't he? Yeah, I think he does. He does come to Dallas You'll be surprised. It's because like jcoe's music is very relatable to me I mean like I relate to a lot of the stuff that he said he liked that middle time So, yeah, yeah, he's just like that, uh You know, so I look I could jam jcoe. Okay jcoe number one jcoe number two Probably tupac Tupac. Yeah, tupac number two. Yeah, you know, it's crazy. This is you said you said It's your top three. It's like how they relate to me. That's what I try to tell everybody The impact that they've had in my life and any genre too if he didn't say that any I did say that Okay, I did say that I mean, I could name a lot but he love rap music. Stop playing. I love rock. Yeah, I love rock, too I love rock. I love uh, he only got one more you know, you know three UGK That's my boy, man. Come on, baby. Give it up. Give it up. That's my guy right there UGK y'all get that man that boy profited. Hey, boy don't smoke a prophecy. Yeah. Yeah UGK Don't you never forget it? We are in texas dallas texas that he'll respect the ground Tupac was number two and number one was jcoe, man. I like jcoe, man jcoe's different. jcoe's not for everybody. He go hard If you listen to his music and he talks about stuff, you're gonna get it. You're gonna get a message across and it's gonna make you a little bit better It's gonna make your life a little bit better. Yeah, it's positive. I like that man Because it's gonna be something that can take you somewhere. You ain't gonna be thinking about shooting somebody. That's it and that's right there So was it ever a time when you was in a video shooting you felt like it was gonna be some crazy stuff happening You had to watch yourself. That's what I was thinking because it was dealing with mode three and dealing with Hey dealing with the different the different beats that was going on in Dallas. It had to be a tough thing Now in this day and age, you know, I mean like you remember I started shooting videos like six seven years ago Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't like this at all. Now. It's like this artist is beefing with this. I can't keep up You don't even know who beefing. I don't even know who beefing. I don't even know like damn Can I shoot with this person like you don't know but then but then how does that affect you? Like do you like okay? Well if this person be from this person I cannot I do work with this person, but I can't do work with that person. Sometimes it'd be like that It depends on how close the relationship is with the artist You know, I mean like a lot of the time like, you know, a lot of artists work with me because you know, they want to have a Dove video, but I'm not like intertwined with their personal, you know, businesses. I can tell that business is business with me You know when people are I want to say stupid because of what they're doing They don't care as long as you're associated with them, you know Anything can happen. So that's why I was like, you know, does that stop your judgment with taking a job on? I don't know man. I choose sometimes I choose my job is kind of You know, like I choose what I want to do who I want to work with is the artist series is the if the song Doesn't sound good. It's in return a job now. It's in here. I just don't call him back But I know where you coming from. I can tell where your chemistry is man. You got great the way you are Your spirit is from here. Luckily. I've been, you know, no no artist that I've ever worked with has ever, you know Fuck me over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything has been business. You know, I mean You paved the way man. You've done it. You've done your just do do it in the beginning of game Let me ask you this Um, so you you you deal with rainwater and you had to because he was managing both of course Yeah, rainwater man. He definitely he's one of the guys that put me on. Yeah him him in three because uh, you know, I mean like Working with three any feature that that that three would do they were like prophecy gotta shoot it You know what I mean? They're like it's gonna be this much and they were they were putting more money in my pocket Let me ask you this is uh did uh rainwater. Um He got other artists now. Are you are you still working with it? Yeah, yeah seven and don't die Yeah, like, you know, we're working out deals where we're shooting multiple videos for them as well um Shout out rainwater man. I've been trying to get him on the show because I really I I like I like the way he worked with his artist rain did his thing He always put his whole heart into what he's doing. He got I never got to meet him So I know you know more about it than I do You know, he helped get three signed he got done done and seven signed, you know, I mean and now like Instead of dealing with them like now i'm dealing with the record label. Wow, you know, I mean so done done and seven Yeah, I didn't know that well, I believe so because they're they're the labels telling me Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you know So like now at this point like, you know, so, yeah Shout out to rain man shout out to rainwater. I didn't he's still grinding hard Everybody they talk about me like yeah, he'll just keep coming and keep coming Like he helped he go hard for his people So what's in the near future for you man? Like say this year this defer this the second quarter Yeah, we're about to start the second quarter Well what we had what we had what what's going on you you got you got the calendar, baby I'm gonna be watching man now, you know, I always been a fan, but I was a fan of the old prophecy I didn't know about none of this other stuff. I'm telling you none of it Look, I was just a fan of what you did that day and I used to tell people like I had a guy come by here I didn't know your name. That's sad. I mean I had a guy come by here, man. He did Of cypher in my store. I'd never seen it to the day But I was so proud of that and you go on my facebook. I reposted repost like I thought that was a big thing for the store I was like, man, he came through show me love like you thought I was showing you love But it was vice versa. I was like, yeah for him to come through and do that I guess because I love music. You remember the little girl I had working for me. She sung a song that day Jessica shout out Jessica, man. She's still around too. She's still frequent to store So it's just love man. Thank you so much man for coming on the show you have anything else Okay, okay, you could advise a young kid That's one of my questions Be in your position. So to say yeah coming up. Okay. How What can you advise them from all the stuff you went wrong doing what you did? How can they learn from what you did? Look the best advice I can give you is like work Work hard work work like it's like it's like it's a nine of five Because you're gonna have to work one regardless, you know, I mean if you want to make money You're either gonna have to work a nine of five Or work like you have a nine of five but doing something that you love. Wow. Wow, you know, I mean So if you're really dedicated to this and put eight hours a day Do the do this eight nine hours a day like it's a job. Yeah, yeah I mean, but it doesn't feel like a job But if you're just like doing it one day two three days from now, you know, maybe an hour at the day That ain't gonna work like that. Wow. You know what? I just think I don't I'm connected to this Do you know, I like I feel like I got it now man. I'm like, I'm connected man when he moved and I moved I'm like, yeah, I know him but really I do. You know, it's like it's genuine So I really love the fact that like I say God have a way of putting things together where you know It was him. It wasn't you so when I seen a picture. I'm telling you I was like, I know no hesitation I say I know that guy right there Even though we just met that one time that's crazy man because I you don't remember nobody I forget I'll be forgetting like he'll be like, yo, we met before. I'm like, yeah I promise when I seen you I knew I knew that it brought me right back to that day We was here and that's when I started blowing your phone up like what's up, man? What you doing? I did the same thing with Taylor left here too. I was like one day It was like Taylor and NFL. I'm like what I'm gonna hit that dude. I know that dude He used to push-ups with me. So it'd be like that God's been good to me man God bless your family man your family. I wish you much success prosperity Man, I know that you're gonna do bigger and greater things and if you do a little film and you see a little spot for E up in there I got you. You know I'm talking about what I can do. I'll be the old dude if I have to shave I will you know if they have to do they take your tooth out to do the movie with the teeth out You know, whatever I need to be, you know, I can act, you know, just don't forget about me You know what I'm saying? I ain't never forgot anybody who helped me out I'm promising y'all get it that thing, man. Yeah, I'd love to be in a movie with you. Yes, sir Yeah, yeah, we could do a cameo. No, no eventually I want to shoot a movie here in Pleasant Grove That's what's up. Like that's my goal. Maybe bring the story to it. Yeah, bring bring, you know, but I want to make it like a Hollywood movie. I don't want to be like no low budget. No low budget. Yeah, of course. You got to make it nice Yeah, gotta make it pop it. You know what I mean? So if we do something, it's gonna be somewhere Something big. Yeah, don't look real nice. We put that budget behind prophecy. We want you to shoot a movie. Okay We got shooting Dallas. That's what's up, man. It's coming to Dallas. So do you What other cities you go to you go to Atlanta? I'm pretty sure I go to Miami. Miami LA a lot. Miami and LA. That's what you really in Atlanta I've gone to Atlanta couple times. Yeah, but but you shooting in Miami in LA Miami and LA is the two of the cities that I shoot the most in and it took off for you Like people there they know you it's a blessing because I've I've gotten to meet people in LA that helped me out And I've gotten to have people in Miami to help me out So if I need something if I need cars bows girls houses, whatever I got my god Be like, yo, bro, we need this and they come with it. Wow. That's love That's why you know, he on the right track, man So thank you for coming on the show man. I know your time is so valuable be safe going on your trip I know you're about to go out of town. So man. Hey, man. We love you here. Don't let it be another What seven years exactly you can't do that no more come here shopping at least you can't do that no more It's love. We've been we've been we connected and we real respected, right? Yes. Say man boss talk 101 we out and we out